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Yes. It is unthinkable that Bayern Munich, who have been impressive this season, finally suffered their first defeat this season against Mainz in a surprising way. This defeat made Bayern Munich's hopes of matching Leverkusen's unbeaten record last season finally disappear. Indeed, this defeat did not change Bayern Munich's ranking in the standings, they remain solid at the top, but this defeat should be a self-reflection for Kompany to be more serious in strengthening the defense line.
The facts is that Bayern Munich are know more maintain there performance anymore, that’s why they received a terrible defeat against the team that nobody can believe they’ve capacity of defeated Bayern Munich; but indeed with there much efforts they it possible by won the  2-1: which was very disappointed from them.

The way Bayern suffered a lot in the hand of the Mainz that are not strong enough, if they face a strong team in their next match i don’t think they can able to remain in their currently position which is top of the table; because I can see that their only ahead of Leverkusen with just 4 points.
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Gladbach defeated relegation candidates Holstein Kiel 4-1 at home. With this win they managed to increase their points to 21.
The 2 teams, who have struggled to win in recent weeks, could not come out victorious. Union Berlin and Bochum played to a draw in a match in which both teams scored 1 goal each. Koji, who left Bochum with 10 men in the 13th minute, may have prevented a possible victory. Despite playing with 10 men, Bochum withstood their opponent well and got an important point.

Borussia Mönchengladbach needed to take advantage of playing against a poor club like Holstein Kiel in order to increase their league points number. I believe that playing against Holstien Kiel would be a bonus game for Borussia Mönchengladbach, as they scored four goals against Holstien Kiel. Union Berlin, on the other hand, is a team with a lack of experience; they were unable to score goals when playing against ten players. Bochum was down to ten men after 13 minutes of play, yet they still managed to score against Union Berlin in 23 minutes. Even playing against eleven players, I thought Union would win this game because Bochum has conceded a lot of goals this season in the Bundesliga.

Very disappointing result by Dortmund again...  Sad  They got a draw against Hoffenheim at Signal Iduna Park because of a last minute goal. Now they are out of top 6 in the standings. How much longer will this continue?

I can't even say they played impressively today. Maybe they could have even lost if Hoffenheim scored first. Dortmund need to score many more goals or start fixing their defensive problems. One of them should be done.

Otherwise they will really risk their top 4 chance with such bad form. I know it is early but the way they play is really worrying. I like them more in the Champions League for example.

I'm not sure what Dortmund intends to do this season; they have yet to lose a home league game this season, but they have failed to take advantage of playing at home to beat a weak club. Dortmund's defense and attacking line are quite poor, and I am confident that this is the reason for their poor performance this season; they conceded a goal in the last minutes; if Dortmund had scored more goals, they wouldn't have drew the match with the goal conceded in the final minute. When I noticed Adeyemi was available to play, I expected a lot of goals, but Dortmund disappointed their fans with a draw.
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Previously, Munich had never tasted defeat in the 13 matches they had played in the Bundesliga, but that sweet record was finally tarnished by Mainz in week 14. The poor finishing may have something to do with the injury to Kane, who has been a very active goal scorer for Munich.
Munich really struggled against Mainz who played very disciplined, this defeat was a lesson for Kompany when facing Leipzig in the next match, he had to find a solution to the poor finishing because the opponent he faced had also just managed to beat Frankfurt who had appeared dominant this season.

At first Bayern Munich was playing hard but after that their players stopped working hard due to which they lost the match.They should have kept the win list in their matches as it would have given them good position and points. Bayern Munich lost the match by only 1 goal as they could have drawn the match by one goal. Losing this match is sad because Bayern Munich has been playing well for a long time and will continue to play well.Bayern Munich could have scored, the fact is that they were under pressure why they couldn't score, but you also know how strong and how they can let Mainz win the match.Bayern Munich have to work hard in the next match and win this match as they can win this match and get the points for the earlier match.  Bayern Munich should not spoil their record because of their carelessness.
Bayern Munich suffered a surprise defeat. No one should be blamed for this because they are the only ones to blame. They played ineffectively throughout the match. They actually played well but the Mainz defense was very good, they couldn't get past them. Of course the Bundesliga is a 34-match marathon. Of course there can be such defeats, the important thing is that they are not too many. They are not very good in the Champions League this year either. The players need to learn from their mistakes and look at the matches ahead.
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Previously, Munich had never tasted defeat in the 13 matches they had played in the Bundesliga, but that sweet record was finally tarnished by Mainz in week 14. The poor finishing may have something to do with the injury to Kane, who has been a very active goal scorer for Munich.
Munich really struggled against Mainz who played very disciplined, this defeat was a lesson for Kompany when facing Leipzig in the next match, he had to find a solution to the poor finishing because the opponent he faced had also just managed to beat Frankfurt who had appeared dominant this season.

At first Bayern Munich was playing hard but after that their players stopped working hard due to which they lost the match.They should have kept the win list in their matches as it would have given them good position and points. Bayern Munich lost the match by only 1 goal as they could have drawn the match by one goal. Losing this match is sad because Bayern Munich has been playing well for a long time and will continue to play well.Bayern Munich could have scored, the fact is that they were under pressure why they couldn't score, but you also know how strong and how they can let Mainz win the match.Bayern Munich have to work hard in the next match and win this match as they can win this match and get the points for the earlier match.  Bayern Munich should not spoil their record because of their carelessness.
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Everyone literally predicted Bayern Munich to win because they haven't lost since the season but Mainz humbled them to their first defeat in the Bundesliga. Had it been Eintracht Frankfurt won their match against Leipzig yesterday, they would have closed the gap but for now Bayern Leverkusen has picked the race against Bayern Munich as they are just 4 points behind. Mainz is a weaker team when compared with Bayern Munich but if you check their form this season, it is not bad and they are 7th in the league table which means they are one of the average teams in the Bundesliga. Fatigue also affected Bayern Munich players after they lashed Shakhter Donestk 5:1 when they met in the Champions league last week. The absence of Harry Kane due to a thigh injury he sustained in their game against Borussia Dortmund also made the team to lose a bit confidence because since his absence, they have played four games in all competitions, won two and lost two.

Yea and we got disappointed at the end of the day, I said we because I had them on my betslip to win Mainz in that match but Bayern failed, that's always the case with Bayern munich they get this kind of defeat from a perceived weak opponent almost every season but personally I never suspected that Mainz will be the team to win them like that but that's football for real, in football the worst happens when we least expect them, Bayern Leverkusen has started it again this season, at the beginning of this season Leverkusen was not doing well but such a surprising recent performance is a good one for them, the points you mentioned is just a small point that will be judged with just a few winning from Leverkusen thats if Bayern allows this kind of illed perfomnace of theirs to persist.

Buddy this not about fatigue but about the business of the day, chances of winning should not be taken for granted though last weekend matches was full of unexpected results ranging from different league side, personally I expected Bayern to win that match but my expectatuons was halted, yea Harry Kane absence may also have contributed to their fallout in that match, I hope the identify their lapses and improve on them to avoid further occurrence of such.
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The result of the match between mainz vs munich was beyond the expectations that we thought before, honestly I did not expect if mainz managed to break munich unbeaten streak this season in their home, the defeat of course has made frankfurt and leverkusen have great hopes to stay on the track of the championship competition especially now they are only 4 points behind munich who are at the top of the standings, With the difference in points getting thinner at the moment then we can say the competition will be tighter and every game will be very crucial for munich, frankfurt and leverkusen later, losing points from mainz which is a mid-table team shows that currently munich still have weaknesses, that can be exploited by the rival team team later to continue to put pressure on munich.
I predicted that the match would be won by Bayern Munich with more than two goals, but what happened was the opposite where Bayern Munich had to submit to Mainz. It is true that Bayern Munich's condition still has several weaknesses and that can be seen when they face opponents who are much weaker. Previously we thought they would be impressive in the Bundesliga but the tight match schedule made Bayern Munich finally get their first defeat in the Bundesliga and this happened because it was inseparable from the fatigue factor that made the players not in good form. The conditions that occurred were also very beneficial for Frankfurt and Leverkusen because they currently have the opportunity to catch up on points.


It was unthinkable that Munich would lose in this match. It is true that the Mianz team is performing well this season. But none of us could have imagined that Mainz would win against a team like Bayern Munich. Bayern Munich's attack is very strong. But even then, Bayern Munich lost the match 2-1 in the end. Harry Kane was not in the squad for this match due to injury. Due to this, the performance of Bayern Munich's attack players was a bit slow. Breaking Mainz's defense was a big challenge for Munich's players. Jae Sung scored both goals in this match for Mainz.
Mainz, no matter what anyone says, tried very hard to win this match. If you win against a team like Bayern Munich and Bayern Munich has only lost to you this year, the team's effort here is very big. It seems that Bayern Munich was well researched and worked hard to be defeated. We can say that all the players are living a dream right now. They beat one of the strongest teams in the German league and Europe. Let them enjoy it. They can earn a place in the European cups at the end of the year.
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Joshua Kimmich the player of Bayern Munich was about to leave the team when Tuchel was working there and he was not happy there however it a famous player among the fans of this team but it seems Joshua Kimmich is going to stay and other than this he also asked the team to hire other players.
Joshua Kimmich asked Max Eberl, the sports director of Bayern Munich to hire Florian Wirtz.
Florian Wirtz had recently a good performance in Leverkusen but he is still under contract with Leverkusen until 2027 and I don't think if Leverkusen will easily let Florian Wirtz leave the team.




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The injuries Kane and Neuer have had a significant impact on Munich attack and defence at the moment, although they are still able to dominate the game and create many chances in each match but the effectiveness in their attack is very low compared to when Kane played, the defeat to Mainz has broken their positive trend in the Bundesliga at the moment, so I think Kompany might implement a different strategy for the next match, because in my opinion Kompany needs to find a solution to improve his finishing, and of course a change in strategy and giving other players the opportunity to change in the attack is a possible thing to do.
After the absence of Kane and Neuer in the match, Bayer Munich and Mainz looked very down in the final finishing so Bayer Munich had to accept defeat in that match. I think Kompany has a new plan and strategy in the next match, yes of course Kompany will make new changes by replacing him. a player who can adapt attacks like kane, let's see whether Kompany will design a new strategy or still stick with the old formation.
Of course Kompany has to make changes because it is impossible for them to continue to rely on Kane in the front line and when Kane is absent, Bayer Munich's performance is quite bad in the front line.
I think that so far Kane has always been the difference and made a big contribution in the front line so that if Kane is absent, the Bayer Munich team seems to lose direction and that was proven in the match last weekend when they had to suffer their first defeat in the Bundesliga this season.

For the next match, Kompany must be able to make significant changes and must be able to return this team to its best performance to win, otherwise the competition for the Bundesliga title will be increasingly difficult.
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The injuries Kane and Neuer have had a significant impact on Munich attack and defence at the moment, although they are still able to dominate the game and create many chances in each match but the effectiveness in their attack is very low compared to when Kane played, the defeat to Mainz has broken their positive trend in the Bundesliga at the moment, so I think Kompany might implement a different strategy for the next match, because in my opinion Kompany needs to find a solution to improve his finishing, and of course a change in strategy and giving other players the opportunity to change in the attack is a possible thing to do.

After the absence of Kane and Neuer in the match, Bayer Munich and Mainz looked very down in the final finishing so Bayer Munich had to accept defeat in that match. I think Kompany has a new plan and strategy in the next match, yes of course Kompany will make new changes by replacing him. a player who can adapt attacks like kane, let's see whether Kompany will design a new strategy or still stick with the old formation.
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This is my prediction yesterday and I am a little disappointed with the results of Dortmund and Frankfurt.
Yesterday Dortmund performance was very good in the first half. But in the second half everything changed for the worse when Hoffenheim put more pressure on Dortmund and finally Hoffenheim was able to score 1 goal with that effort.
While Frankfurt performance also experienced a deep disappointment because Frankfurt could have shared points in the match but chose to lose.


Heidenheim vs Stuttgart (BTTS) Win
Dortmund vs Hoffenheim (Dortmund -1.25) Loss
Leipzig vs Frankfurt (Draw) Loss
I was not disappointed with the result of both Dortmund and Frankfurt in their respective matches. Hoffenheim took their chance and capitalize on Dortmund poor performance in the second half to draw the match. And Frankfurt they didn't even deserve a draw, I was happy Leipzig outclassed them in their encounter. It was a good display from the Leipzig as they repeatedly tormented the defense of Frankfurt in the match. It was a brilliant performance from Leipzig and I hope they will be able to maintain this momentum as they aim to challange for the Bundesliga title this season.
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Bayern Munich becomes different without Kane, although they created many chance, but if there's no one able to score a goal, the chances become useless. Muller didn't play bad, he's a false nine. I think Bayern Munich don't need to make it complicated, for sure the upcoming match they might likely lose since they meet Leipzig. But Kane and Coman will available in the next year, so Bayern Munich will play with their best eleven.
Previously, Munich had never tasted defeat in the 13 matches they had played in the Bundesliga, but that sweet record was finally tarnished by Mainz in week 14. The poor finishing may have something to do with the injury to Kane, who has been a very active goal scorer for Munich.
Munich really struggled against Mainz who played very disciplined, this defeat was a lesson for Kompany when facing Leipzig in the next match, he had to find a solution to the poor finishing because the opponent he faced had also just managed to beat Frankfurt who had appeared dominant this season.

The injuries Kane and Neuer have had a significant impact on Munich attack and defence at the moment, although they are still able to dominate the game and create many chances in each match but the effectiveness in their attack is very low compared to when Kane played, the defeat to Mainz has broken their positive trend in the Bundesliga at the moment, so I think Kompany might implement a different strategy for the next match, because in my opinion Kompany needs to find a solution to improve his finishing, and of course a change in strategy and giving other players the opportunity to change in the attack is a possible thing to do.
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I see there are changes made by both teams from their systems and patterns, whether it's Leipzig or Frankfurt. However, it seems that the strategy and tactics implemented by Marco Rose were successful in defeating Frankfurt, on the other hand, the efforts made by the Frankfurt coach by implementing a single striker in front were not effective. They had difficulty creating opportunities, none of them even had a big chance. Two meetings in two different events Frankfurt had to admit that Leipzig was more ready to win, so the Frankfurt coach needs to re-evaluate the entire performance of his team. Plus, related to the system and pattern he implemented. As a result, Frankfurt failed to reduce the points difference from Bayern Munich. Even the results of this match made both teams have the same points, only different if Frankfurt was much more productive. For RB Leipzig, this victory should be a turning point for them to return to their best game. After playing a series of bad matches across competitions, it's time for them to rise again. By the way, now the Bundesliga is more interesting because the teams in the top 4 are not so obvious regarding the points difference.
Two strikers is difficult, leaves the behind a bit weaker, and that is why he tried to make some changes but the results weren't as good, I mean they still got points but they are trying to make a better approach to this, and that is why it's quite important to be careful about all of this. I think we need to consider this to be a lot better and can't be considering it that terrible if you ask me.

I believe the best thing to do right now would be just making sure that we are dealing with a greater tactic where they are doing better with the old system. They were battling for a top spot, so they were good at once and I am sure that they are going to be good again, they just need to focus on what they used to do and go back to that.
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Bayern Munich becomes different without Kane, although they created many chance, but if there's no one able to score a goal, the chances become useless. Muller didn't play bad, he's a false nine. I think Bayern Munich don't need to make it complicated, for sure the upcoming match they might likely lose since they meet Leipzig. But Kane and Coman will available in the next year, so Bayern Munich will play with their best eleven.
Previously, Munich had never tasted defeat in the 13 matches they had played in the Bundesliga, but that sweet record was finally tarnished by Mainz in week 14. The poor finishing may have something to do with the injury to Kane, who has been a very active goal scorer for Munich.
Munich really struggled against Mainz who played very disciplined, this defeat was a lesson for Kompany when facing Leipzig in the next match, he had to find a solution to the poor finishing because the opponent he faced had also just managed to beat Frankfurt who had appeared dominant this season.
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Yes. It is unthinkable that Bayern Munich, who have been impressive this season, finally suffered their first defeat this season against Mainz in a surprising way. This defeat made Bayern Munich's hopes of matching Leverkusen's unbeaten record last season finally disappear. Indeed, this defeat did not change Bayern Munich's ranking in the standings, they remain solid at the top, but this defeat should be a self-reflection for Kompany to be more serious in strengthening the defense line.
Bayern Munich becomes different without Kane, although they created many chance, but if there's no one able to score a goal, the chances become useless. Muller didn't play bad, he's a false nine. I think Bayern Munich don't need to make it complicated, for sure the upcoming match they might likely lose since they meet Leipzig. But Kane and Coman will available in the next year, so Bayern Munich will play with their best eleven.
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To be fair, having Leipzig with that much money thanks to Red Bull investments is something that should have made them better long time ago, they are not really looking to be sustainable in the sense that they need to cover their own expenses, Red Bull is already paying for everything so they shouldn't really be worried about it and consider this as normal as it gets, without a worry, and that's the most important part.

I can see that this isn't going that way for Leipzig and that's why I am not seeing this as success, it's very normal and can't be considered as a big deal. After having that much money, and not spending a lot on great future talent or getting anyone better, they are not really improving the way they should. When you have the budget, and still barely fight for a top spot, and not even contend for a title, that's not good. Look at Leverkusen, they have much less money and yet they are still doing better and that's the most important part.
I understand why you think RB Leipzig should be doing better with all money they have from Red Bull. Having a lot of money can help team grow and improve. But I do not think it is fair to say Leipzig is not doing well. They have not won league or big titles but they always finish near top and play in Champions League which is big deal. It is true that Leverkusen does well with less money but Leipzig money helps them get and keep good players which makes them stable and consistent. Maybe problem is that people expect too much from Leipzig because they have so much money. Still I think Leipzig is doing okay and is getting better as team.
Actually, I think Leipzig is successful in the German league. No one can expect them to suddenly become a team that dominates the German league. Because there are teams like Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund that have been in the German league for years and have a well-established system. I think it is a success for Leipzig to even compete with these teams. They are also competing in the Champions League. I think the team is doing very well. They are progressing very well in the league this year to qualify for the Champions League next year.
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To be fair, having Leipzig with that much money thanks to Red Bull investments is something that should have made them better long time ago, they are not really looking to be sustainable in the sense that they need to cover their own expenses, Red Bull is already paying for everything so they shouldn't really be worried about it and consider this as normal as it gets, without a worry, and that's the most important part.

I can see that this isn't going that way for Leipzig and that's why I am not seeing this as success, it's very normal and can't be considered as a big deal. After having that much money, and not spending a lot on great future talent or getting anyone better, they are not really improving the way they should. When you have the budget, and still barely fight for a top spot, and not even contend for a title, that's not good. Look at Leverkusen, they have much less money and yet they are still doing better and that's the most important part.
I understand why you think RB Leipzig should be doing better with all money they have from Red Bull. Having a lot of money can help team grow and improve. But I do not think it is fair to say Leipzig is not doing well. They have not won league or big titles but they always finish near top and play in Champions League which is big deal. It is true that Leverkusen does well with less money but Leipzig money helps them get and keep good players which makes them stable and consistent. Maybe problem is that people expect too much from Leipzig because they have so much money. Still I think Leipzig is doing okay and is getting better as team.
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To be fair, having Leipzig with that much money thanks to Red Bull investments is something that should have made them better long time ago, they are not really looking to be sustainable in the sense that they need to cover their own expenses, Red Bull is already paying for everything so they shouldn't really be worried about it and consider this as normal as it gets, without a worry, and that's the most important part.


Aside from the money spent, we also can't underestimate those behind the scenes such as the management and coaching staff who are doing a great job for Leipzig and this is a successful investment when turning a seemingly ordinary club into a dark horse club and now one of the clubs to be reckoned with in the Bundesliga.

The success of management is very visible even for them the scouts are also very good so that Leipzig in the last few seasons has always produced star players at quite expensive prices.
Gvardiol, Nkunku, Dominik Szoboszlai, Nabi Keita and even Dani Olmo are Leipzig graduates who actually got not too expensive but managed to be sold at very crazy prices which indicates that for now Leipzig is indeed one of the clubs with a myriad of players or suppliers of star players in the Bundesliga apart from Dortmund which shows how well Leipzig's management works.

This season I didn't have big expectations because Nkunku and Dani Olmo left but in the end they still played very well where Openda, Ximons and Sesko were really above average players and were able to keep Leipzig afloat as a club that many people count including several big clubs in the Bundesliga.

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It was unthinkable that Munich would lose in this match. It is true that the Mianz team is performing well this season. But none of us could have imagined that Mainz would win against a team like Bayern Munich. Bayern Munich's attack is very strong. But even then, Bayern Munich lost the match 2-1 in the end. Harry Kane was not in the squad for this match due to injury. Due to this, the performance of Bayern Munich's attack players was a bit slow. Breaking Mainz's defense was a big challenge for Munich's players. Jae Sung scored both goals in this match for Mainz.
Yes. It is unthinkable that Bayern Munich, who have been impressive this season, finally suffered their first defeat this season against Mainz in a surprising way. This defeat made Bayern Munich's hopes of matching Leverkusen's unbeaten record last season finally disappear. Indeed, this defeat did not change Bayern Munich's ranking in the standings, they remain solid at the top, but this defeat should be a self-reflection for Kompany to be more serious in strengthening the defense line.

Mainz in this match managed to take advantage of Bayern Munich's weakness with many injured players. Mainz managed to make Bayern Munich players helpless in this match, even Bayern Munich only got one shot on target in this match, this proves that Mainz's defense in the match was quite solid and they managed to show extraordinary skills when they were in Bayern Munich's penalty box. This defeat makes the points with Leverkusen closer, only four points apart because in another match Bayer Leverkusen managed to beat Augsburg with a score of 2-0. The Bundesliga this season will remain competitive.
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To be fair, having Leipzig with that much money thanks to Red Bull investments is something that should have made them better long time ago, they are not really looking to be sustainable in the sense that they need to cover their own expenses, Red Bull is already paying for everything so they shouldn't really be worried about it and consider this as normal as it gets, without a worry, and that's the most important part.

I can see that this isn't going that way for Leipzig and that's why I am not seeing this as success, it's very normal and can't be considered as a big deal. After having that much money, and not spending a lot on great future talent or getting anyone better, they are not really improving the way they should. When you have the budget, and still barely fight for a top spot, and not even contend for a title, that's not good. Look at Leverkusen, they have much less money and yet they are still doing better and that's the most important part.
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The result of the match between mainz vs munich was beyond the expectations that we thought before, honestly I did not expect if mainz managed to break munich unbeaten streak this season in their home, the defeat of course has made frankfurt and leverkusen have great hopes to stay on the track of the championship competition especially now they are only 4 points behind munich who are at the top of the standings, With the difference in points getting thinner at the moment then we can say the competition will be tighter and every game will be very crucial for munich, frankfurt and leverkusen later, losing points from mainz which is a mid-table team shows that currently munich still have weaknesses, that can be exploited by the rival team team later to continue to put pressure on munich.
I predicted that the match would be won by Bayern Munich with more than two goals, but what happened was the opposite where Bayern Munich had to submit to Mainz. It is true that Bayern Munich's condition still has several weaknesses and that can be seen when they face opponents who are much weaker. Previously we thought they would be impressive in the Bundesliga but the tight match schedule made Bayern Munich finally get their first defeat in the Bundesliga and this happened because it was inseparable from the fatigue factor that made the players not in good form. The conditions that occurred were also very beneficial for Frankfurt and Leverkusen because they currently have the opportunity to catch up on points.

Everyone literally predicted Bayern Munich to win because they haven't lost since the season but Mainz humbled them to their first defeat in the Bundesliga. Had it been Eintracht Frankfurt won their match against Leipzig yesterday, they would have closed the gap but for now Bayern Leverkusen has picked the race against Bayern Munich as they are just 4 points behind. Mainz is a weaker team when compared with Bayern Munich but if you check their form this season, it is not bad and they are 7th in the league table which means they are one of the average teams in the Bundesliga. Fatigue also affected Bayern Munich players after they lashed Shakhter Donestk 5:1 when they met in the Champions league last week. The absence of Harry Kane due to a thigh injury he sustained in their game against Borussia Dortmund also made the team to lose a bit confidence because since his absence, they have played four games in all competitions, won two and lost two.

Yeah the majority predicted Bayern to win that match, they were the clear favourites to win it based on their form and unbeaten run in the league, i don't think anyone saw their defeat cause who would believed that Mainz would end their unbeaten run, or even score twice in that match. Bayern Munich dominated the game but luck wasn't onn their side cause out of all the shots they had, about thirten or so, only one was able to find the back of the net, Mainz really frustrated them and utilized their chance properly. I feel this defeat was not only caused my fatigue, Bayern Munich didn't play with their attacker Harry Kane due to injury and it affected them cause they found it difficult to convert good chance, Muller wasn't really at his best today and failed to deliver his team in the absence of Kane.
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