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Quote from: Docnaster on June 08, 2023, 04:47:09 PM

Borussia Dortmund's chance of lifting the German Bundesliga title since 2012 isn't gonna come anytime soon and I said that after considering how they squandered their chance on the of last day of the just concluded German Bundesliga season.
Bayern Munich for sure are gonna get reinforced for the challenges of the new seasons and they're already my favorites to retain the title again

History has proven that they are not too strong in every season because they continue to sell their star players so that their strength next season will not be able to provide much resistance in the competition for the title. In other words, Dortmund main business is to produce star players and sell them to other clubs, even to bayern munich, so there is no doubt at all that dortmund has to fast for the bundesliga trophy for a long time.

Next season Bayern Munich will make changes to their squad, especially Bayern Munich's management will buy good quality players to support their strength in the bundesliga. Tuchel is a great coach. I think he will be able to bring Bayern Munich to become a strong candidate to win the Bundesliga trophy again and it is unlikely for other teams to break Bayern Munich dominance.

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on June 08, 2023, 04:15:27 PM

Quote from: Jackl87 on June 08, 2023, 09:39:20 AM

I already said this before, but i really think that the chances of Borussia Dortmund to become Bundesliga champions this year were extremely high and i don't think that they will get such a big chance again in the next 5 years or so. As you already said, Bayern Munich is by far the strongest team of the Bundesliga and if they are able to at least reach like 85% of their maximum performance level, then they will win the Bundesliga no matter what the other clubs are doing. This year this was not the case and still Dortmund was not able to profit from that. Now Bayern should be alarmed again and take the next season more serious.

Borussia Dortmund came really close this season in the race for the title, they pushed Bayern Munich until the end and didn't bow down easily. They might not be champions but I commend their efforts, performance and good mentality. If they can do the same next season, with a little luck they might get a chance to win the league.

Borussia Dortmund's chance of lifting the German Bundesliga title since 2012 isn't gonna come anytime soon and I said that after considering how they squandered their chance on the of last day of the just concluded German Bundesliga season.
Bayern Munich for sure are gonna get reinforced for the challenges of the new seasons and they're already my favorites to retain the title again

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on June 08, 2023, 04:15:27 PM

Quote from: Jackl87 on June 08, 2023, 09:39:20 AM

I already said this before, but i really think that the chances of Borussia Dortmund to become Bundesliga champions this year were extremely high and i don't think that they will get such a big chance again in the next 5 years or so. As you already said, Bayern Munich is by far the strongest team of the Bundesliga and if they are able to at least reach like 85% of their maximum performance level, then they will win the Bundesliga no matter what the other clubs are doing. This year this was not the case and still Dortmund was not able to profit from that. Now Bayern should be alarmed again and take the next season more serious.

Borussia Dortmund came really close this season in the race for the title, they pushed Bayern Munich until the end and didn't bow down easily. They might not be champions but I commend their efforts, performance and good mentality. If they can do the same next season, with a little luck they might get a chance to win the league.

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Quote from: rendravolt on June 07, 2023, 01:18:04 PM

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For next season, even though they are quite brilliant in the playoffs this time, that is not a guarantee either. At the moment Stuttgart will only be a club that is at the bottom of the table but they are aware of that but of course with them continuing to be in the bundesliga it is already very good for them.
I actually saw Darmstadt condition from the previous season but indeed towards the end of the season they always stumbled and this season they were finally able to penetrate the highest caste after waiting for a long time to return to this caste.

Indeed, Stuttgart will certainly not be able to meet our expectations to be able to perform better next season, even for mid-table positions, they will definitely have difficulties. I think it is true that they are still the bottom team in the standings, but at least they have to change their game a little so they can finish in a better position. Talking about Damstadt I haven't heard of this team before and if they have an unusual process to the bundesliga, they might be a pretty tough challenger next season, only if Damstadt can be consistent in their matches.

They have to try again now because it's a good chance to try again next season but if they still can't be there then maybe something like Hertha this season will still happen for Stuttgart.
As for Darmstadt, actually in the last 2 seasons I have always taken the time to watch Bundesliga 2 and indeed their performance is not bad even with the fairly tight level of competition there. but their problem last season was they failed to be consistent actually this season also they still have the same problem it's just that this season is a little bit better.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on June 08, 2023, 02:58:44 PM

Union Berlin was mnt favorite team this season and I was even hoping to see them at the top of the table and racing with Bayern Munich until last week when saw them having a bad performance because of having not enough potential for the rest of the season.
I think Union Berlin could have much better transfers and they could hire better players to help them in this situation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%9322_1._FC_Union_Berlin_season#Transfers

at the beginning of the season I saw Union Berlin seriously and looked very confident to win every match but it was a little strange when entering the middle of the season Union Berlin experienced a gradual decrease in performance until it was close to the end of the season.
if I look at the decline in the performance of the Union players it seems that there is a bit of a problem in a bad defense. Union Berlin's hope to keep performing well in the summer games must at least have a more reliable transfer of players.

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Quote from: Jackl87 on June 08, 2023, 09:39:20 AM

I already said this before, but i really think that the chances of Borussia Dortmund to become Bundesliga champions this year were extremely high and i don't think that they will get such a big chance again in the next 5 years or so. As you already said, Bayern Munich is by far the strongest team of the Bundesliga and if they are able to at least reach like 85% of their maximum performance level, then they will win the Bundesliga no matter what the other clubs are doing. This year this was not the case and still Dortmund was not able to profit from that. Now Bayern should be alarmed again and take the next season more serious.

Borussia Dortmund came really close this season in the race for the title, they pushed Bayern Munich until the end and didn't bow down easily. They might not be champions but I commend their efforts, performance and good mentality. If they can do the same next season, with a little luck they might get a chance to win the league.

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Quote from: DoverDoane on June 08, 2023, 01:13:04 PM

Moreover, when it comes to adapting to a new environment with all its circumstances, people will vary in their ability to accept it. Some can adapt quickly and easily, while others may struggle and find it difficult to adapt. However, in the case of this profession, one must inevitably be able to adapt quickly to everything, as the consequence of failing to do so would result in a decline in performance and have an impact on others.

I think this adaptation is something that doesn't need to be discussed because indeed every player who is in a new team with different environmental conditions certainly has to be smarter to adapt so he can immediately show the performance he already had when he was still in the old team. Because usually the recruitment or purchase of new players by a team is due to considerations of achievement and performance which are still good enough so that these players can be well received by the squad in the team.

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Union Berlin was my favorite team this season and I was even hoping to see them at the top of the table and racing with Bayern Munich until last week when saw them having a bad performance because of having not enough potential for the rest of the season.
I think Union Berlin could have much better transfers and they could hire better players to help them in this situation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%9322_1._FC_Union_Berlin_season#Transfers

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Quote from: Jackl87 on June 08, 2023, 09:39:20 AM

I already said this before, but i really think that the chances of Borussia Dortmund to become Bundesliga champions this year were extremely high and i don't think that they will get such a big chance again in the next 5 years or so. As you already said, Bayern Munich is by far the strongest team of the Bundesliga and if they are able to at least reach like 85% of their maximum performance level, then they will win the Bundesliga no matter what the other clubs are doing. This year this was not the case and still Dortmund was not able to profit from that. Now Bayern should be alarmed again and take the next season more serious.

It is really difficult to predict the next five years already now. But I can agree with you on the point that there is a much harder season waiting for Dortmund next time. The reason why I think like this is that Dortmund might not get this much lucky about maintaining their title chance until the final moments of the season.

Because Bayern Munich were so much inconsistent this season which helped Dortmund stay right behind them. Even this situation couldn't help Dortmund win the title after a ten-season break. From now on I will be expecting to see a stronger Bayern Munich so Dortmund's job will be harder as a result. Tuchel didn't have much time to implement his plans as he was brought quite late in the season.

But as of the beginning of next season I'm expecting to watch a much better team. They would start with signing a top striker this summer of course to solve the most of their issues.

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Quote from: rendravolt on June 08, 2023, 09:59:04 AM

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But sometimes that's the case, there are even some talented players who have lost their performance after leaving Dortmund at their new club, sometimes I wonder what caused these very good players to experience this. Could it be because he doesn't fit in with his teammates or does he really not suit his new coach's coaching style? Well, it seems like fate doesn't line up with careers.

There are certainly several factors that lead to a drop in performance. Problems with the team or the coach, as you have already written. Maybe you do not feel comfortable in the city. The family is not happy at the new place. The structure in the club is not what you have expected. Just like it is in real life. This can also happen to non-footballers when they change a job.

This reason sounds quite reasonable and it seems that it will be difficult for any player if they don't socialize with their surroundings. Football playing is also a profession and it is certainly not easy to adapt to the culture of a different country when pursuing a career at a new club. Sometimes language problems are also often an obstacle because when players have difficulty communicating with colleagues or coaches it can become a misunderstanding on the field so that it will be difficult for these players to develop.

But for this problem it seems that new players don't have to feel pressured because of course even though the language is different and requires adaptation to the environment they will definitely not be alone and will definitely bring in a linguist or anyone they trust to educate them to adapt to the language of the country.
For me, the decreased performance of new players who have just joined other clubs, for example joining the Borussia dortmund clan, will certainly experience a long adaptation, so it takes a little time to get used to joining this club.

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Quote from: Rabi3 on June 08, 2023, 01:22:53 PM

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Quote from: Jackl87 on June 08, 2023, 09:39:20 AM

I already said this before, but i really think that the chances of Borussia Dortmund to become Bundesliga champions this year were extremely high and i don't think that they will get such a big chance again in the next 5 years or so. As you already said, Bayern Munich is by far the strongest team of the Bundesliga and if they are able to at least reach like 85% of their maximum performance level, then they will win the Bundesliga no matter what the other clubs are doing. This year this was not the case and still Dortmund was not able to profit from that. Now Bayern should be alarmed again and take the next season more serious.

Why do you think that Dortmund has not that chance again to win the German League Title next year.
They getting better and better and every year they getting closer to Bayern Munich, and with Leipzig and Union Berlin there are now 2 more Teams for fight the Title.
Bayern Munich caused the problem themselves with kicking there coach out in an important time they have got a lot of important games.

We could see a totally different ranking next year, you never know, I don't really think Union Berling will be as strong as they were this season, we all saw their performance drop in the last matches of the league, I would count them out of the race of Bundesliga from now, they probably going to end up out of the top 4.

Union in the last few seasons have been quite good but on the other hand now of course they have to realize that the pressure is getting bigger and bigger for them, especially with a lot of current schedules, especially being in the big Champions competition, which is a first for them, they will definitely make this be different.
it would be great if they could still maintain conditions like this season even though they couldn't compete for better conditions but bothering big clubs and being in the top 4 is already a good achievement for them.

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Quote from: Rabi3 on June 08, 2023, 01:22:53 PM

Quote from: Lafu on June 08, 2023, 10:07:21 AM

Quote from: Jackl87 on June 08, 2023, 09:39:20 AM

I already said this before, but i really think that the chances of Borussia Dortmund to become Bundesliga champions this year were extremely high and i don't think that they will get such a big chance again in the next 5 years or so. As you already said, Bayern Munich is by far the strongest team of the Bundesliga and if they are able to at least reach like 85% of their maximum performance level, then they will win the Bundesliga no matter what the other clubs are doing. This year this was not the case and still Dortmund was not able to profit from that. Now Bayern should be alarmed again and take the next season more serious.

Why do you think that Dortmund has not that chance again to win the German League Title next year.
They getting better and better and every year they getting closer to Bayern Munich, and with Leipzig and Union Berlin there are now 2 more Teams for fight the Title.
Bayern Munich caused the problem themselves with kicking there coach out in an important time they have got a lot of important games.

We could see a totally different ranking next year, you never know, I don't really think Union Berling will be as strong as they were this season, we all saw their performance drop in the last matches of the league, I would count them out of the race of Bundesliga from now, they probably going to end up out of the top 4.

I think it's too much if Dortmund doesn't have the chance to win the Bundesliga title for the next 5 years even though indeed, Bayern Munich's dominance is very long because Bayern Munich has won the Bundesliga title for 11 consecutive seasons. But even so, I think Dortmund must remain optimistic in order to break Bayern Munich's domination of the Bundesliga title. Because after all, Dortmund is the only consistent rival team to challenge for the Bundesliga title and of course that will be a big hope for Dortmund.

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Quote from: Lafu on June 08, 2023, 10:07:21 AM

Quote from: Jackl87 on June 08, 2023, 09:39:20 AM

I already said this before, but i really think that the chances of Borussia Dortmund to become Bundesliga champions this year were extremely high and i don't think that they will get such a big chance again in the next 5 years or so. As you already said, Bayern Munich is by far the strongest team of the Bundesliga and if they are able to at least reach like 85% of their maximum performance level, then they will win the Bundesliga no matter what the other clubs are doing. This year this was not the case and still Dortmund was not able to profit from that. Now Bayern should be alarmed again and take the next season more serious.

Why do you think that Dortmund has not that chance again to win the German League Title next year.
They getting better and better and every year they getting closer to Bayern Munich, and with Leipzig and Union Berlin there are now 2 more Teams for fight the Title.
Bayern Munich caused the problem themselves with kicking there coach out in an important time they have got a lot of important games.

We could see a totally different ranking next year, you never know, I don't really think Union Berling will be as strong as they were this season, we all saw their performance drop in the last matches of the league, I would count them out of the race of Bundesliga from now, they probably going to end up out of the top 4.

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Quote from: rendravolt on June 08, 2023, 09:59:04 AM

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But sometimes that's the case, there are even some talented players who have lost their performance after leaving Dortmund at their new club, sometimes I wonder what caused these very good players to experience this. Could it be because he doesn't fit in with his teammates or does he really not suit his new coach's coaching style? Well, it seems like fate doesn't line up with careers.

There are certainly several factors that lead to a drop in performance. Problems with the team or the coach, as you have already written. Maybe you do not feel comfortable in the city. The family is not happy at the new place. The structure in the club is not what you have expected. Just like it is in real life. This can also happen to non-footballers when they change a job.

This reason sounds quite reasonable and it seems that it will be difficult for any player if they don't socialize with their surroundings. Football playing is also a profession and it is certainly not easy to adapt to the culture of a different country when pursuing a career at a new club. Sometimes language problems are also often an obstacle because when players have difficulty communicating with colleagues or coaches it can become a misunderstanding on the field so that it will be difficult for these players to develop.

Moreover, when it comes to adapting to a new environment with all its circumstances, people will vary in their ability to accept it. Some can adapt quickly and easily, while others may struggle and find it difficult to adapt. However, in the case of this profession, one must inevitably be able to adapt quickly to everything, as the consequence of failing to do so would result in a decline in performance and have an impact on others.

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Quote from: Lafu on June 08, 2023, 10:07:21 AM

Quote from: Jackl87 on June 08, 2023, 09:39:20 AM

I already said this before, but i really think that the chances of Borussia Dortmund to become Bundesliga champions this year were extremely high and i don't think that they will get such a big chance again in the next 5 years or so. As you already said, Bayern Munich is by far the strongest team of the Bundesliga and if they are able to at least reach like 85% of their maximum performance level, then they will win the Bundesliga no matter what the other clubs are doing. This year this was not the case and still Dortmund was not able to profit from that. Now Bayern should be alarmed again and take the next season more serious.

Why do you think that Dortmund has not that chance again to win the German League Title next year.
They getting better and better and every year they getting closer to Bayern Munich, and with Leipzig and Union Berlin there are now 2 more Teams for fight the Title.
Bayern Munich caused the problem themselves with kicking there coach out in an important time they have got a lot of important games.

I also think that Dortmund have no chance and desire to win the Bundesliga title. Because the main goal of Dortmund management is to do business. They don't want to win titles. Haaland was Dortmund's main player last season. He has played brilliantly throughout the season. Dortmund management made a lot of money by selling Haaland at the end of the season. Had Haalnd and Sébastien Haller been in Dortmund's squad this season, Dortmund had a great chance of winning the Bundesliga this season.
Sébastien Haller's performances this season have been outstanding. I think Dortmund will still make money by selling Sébastien Haller at the end of next season. If Dortmund's goal was to win the title, they would have wanted to strengthen the squad rather than sell the best players in their squad.

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Quote from: Unknown Op on June 08, 2023, 06:39:50 AM

It is obvious that Bayern Munich dominates in a number of areas including reputation financial resources and infrastructure. The Bundesliga championship however measures actual strength on the pitch which goes beyond having a roster full of illustrious players. Numerous variables must come together for a team to be the strongest over the course of the full season not just for a single game or month. The game mental component and any potential complacency that results from ongoing success can have a big impact. It is usual for a team used to winning to mistakenly let its guard down giving hungry and tenacious teams a chance. Such events occurred during this Bundesliga season but ultimately everyone saw the expected conclusion.

I do not think that it does, I think it goes directly into having a good roster on the field and that means if you do a good job as management then you are going to win more often than not, which is proven by the league winners so far in the last decade. Bayern manages their financial situation incredibly well, not only they make a lot of good money, but they also spend that money very wisely and they invest and they earn and they reinvest and so forth.

When you combine all that together that makes it easier for them to spend money on buying players and when they do buy players at a good level then that makes it easier for them to win. Who can afford to put a championship team on the field, wolfsburg or Bayern? It's so simple, be financially strong and get good players and win the title.

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Quote from: Avirunes on June 08, 2023, 04:43:15 AM

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Dortmund was always a club who made a lot of profit by selling their players. And the sum for Bellingham is huge. They bought him for 25 million euros in 2020 and now he is to be sold for 103 million euros. Although his contract runs until 2025, they have already decided to sell him. I do not know if it would be better to wait for another year. He has performed really well since 2020.

Yeah Dortmund are smart at picking up players and developing and selling them too. They have developed lot of good players over the years and sold them mostly over 70-80m Euro mark easily. Also Dortmund are not the type of club to hold down a player when player wants to move. In here Bellingham already wanted to move to Madrid and Dortmund as usual don't want to hold the player as usual. I haven't seen them trying to convince a player who wants to move to stay.

Yep, that's Borussia Dortmund's business style. they are skilled at spotting talented young talent, recruiting them and shaping them into players with huge potential. some of them became star players, one of them who was successful and became a big star was Erling Haaland.

Now, Jude Bellingham has completed his medical as a Real Madrid player. the contract has also been signed, running until June 2029. It is planned that Real Madrid will present Bellingham at the Santiago Bernabeu next week. that way, there is nothing to prevent Bellingham from moving to La Liga, as Fabrizio Romano quoted in his tweet.
Well, as we all know. with only one player, Dortmund has made a huge profit. in fact, greater than the sales of previous players. on the other hand, Bayern Munich continues to dominate the Bundesliga trophy. on the other hand, despite failing to break Bayern's dominance this season. however, it seems that from a business standpoint Dortmund make more money than Bayern Munich.

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Quote from: bct_ail on June 08, 2023, 04:57:45 AM

Quote from: rendravolt on June 08, 2023, 04:31:19 AM

But sometimes that's the case, there are even some talented players who have lost their performance after leaving Dortmund at their new club, sometimes I wonder what caused these very good players to experience this. Could it be because he doesn't fit in with his teammates or does he really not suit his new coach's coaching style? Well, it seems like fate doesn't line up with careers.

There are certainly several factors that lead to a drop in performance. Problems with the team or the coach, as you have already written. Maybe you do not feel comfortable in the city. The family is not happy at the new place. The structure in the club is not what you have expected. Just like it is in real life. This can also happen to non-footballers when they change a job.

Yep, there are various factors that could possibly happen and in fact this does not only apply to Dortmund but almost all clubs in terms of players because indeed when there are new players who are actually very good at the initial club it is still not certain to be able to improve their conditions at the new club.
As said before but maybe I will add something else in this regard because indeed when we move leagues (for example from the Bundesliga to La Liga or EPL) the conditions for adjustment will be even more so in terms of tension and playing style. The challenge for new players is not only to show their best performance but indeed to adapt in all conditions starting with new colleagues and building chemistry there as well as those related to comfort conditions really need to be emphasized so that players are even more solid at a new club.
Not a few good players have had to fail at this because they couldn't adjust.

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Quote from: Jackl87 on June 08, 2023, 09:39:20 AM

I already said this before, but i really think that the chances of Borussia Dortmund to become Bundesliga champions this year were extremely high and i don't think that they will get such a big chance again in the next 5 years or so. As you already said, Bayern Munich is by far the strongest team of the Bundesliga and if they are able to at least reach like 85% of their maximum performance level, then they will win the Bundesliga no matter what the other clubs are doing. This year this was not the case and still Dortmund was not able to profit from that. Now Bayern should be alarmed again and take the next season more serious.

Why do you think that Dortmund has not that chance again to win the German League Title next year.
They getting better and better and every year they getting closer to Bayern Munich, and with Leipzig and Union Berlin there are now 2 more Teams for fight the Title.
Bayern Munich caused the problem themselves with kicking there coach out in an important time they have got a lot of important games.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on June 07, 2023, 01:34:22 PM

I don't have problem with Bayern Munich but I think they usually win the league because other teams are not investing well enough and other teams make huge mistakes otherwise Bayern Munich couldn't win this league at all in a normal situation because of having unstable results and unstable situation in their team.

Bayern was the richest club in bundesliga. If there will be an arabian investor who will be willing to take over some clubs in the bundesliga and this will be ruining bayern's domination. The question is when? It has been a very long time since bayern was always winning bundesliga. it's happening 11 times in total for bayern munchen was winning the league. It's really boring to see this club is always winning the league. EPL become even more and more competitive while this one is still being dominated by a single club.
I think that the next season gonna be the same. The mediocre clubs need to sell their team to the arabian investors. It will make the league become competitive.

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on June 07, 2023, 01:34:22 PM

Dortmund could have a much better performance and this way they would not lose this chance for this season in the last minutes.

Dortmund was only making a single mistake. Drawn against mainz. It's unacceptable.
That's why dortmund must learn from its mistake. Dortmund under terzic was not so good. It's still inconsistent.

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