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Quote from: slapper on January 16, 2023, 04:04:28 AM

Yeah, it's true that Dortmund's been selling a lot of their top players but we gotta remember that's just part of the game. Dortmund has to make decisions that are best for them financially while others already have a bunch of money to throw away. But even with all the players sold, they always seem to find new talent and that's pretty impressive. I think as long as they keep doing what they are good at (transferring and playing), they'll be able to compete in the top 4. Don't forget they're still a strong team, they just need to get back to consistent performance

They have a good approach that helped their club resolved their financial crisis years ago. After that, they got some successful seasons but did not change the approach. It is not good if they want to win trophies but it helps them to have very good finance that is one of best in Germany.
I see the approach of Dortmund is like Monaco in Lique 1 and Sevilla in La Liga. In comparisons, Sevilla is a most successful club with this approach. They did not win La Liga but won many Europa League with 6 titles in their history and all came from recent seasons. Dortmund and Monaco have similar approach, buy young players and sell them with expensive price when they became star players but failed to succeed like Sevilla.
Maybe Dortmund wasted too much attention and resources for Bundesliga where they have nearly no opportunity to beat Bayern. Sevilla are different and they mostly focused on Europa League.

Yes, there are a set of clubs who maintain this financial policy which is to scout out potential future stars and nourish them into making them better players. And finally, sell them to the bigger clubs for a huge transfer fee.

We have been seeing these from Dortmund over and over again. They have sold players like Robert Lewandowski, Erling Haaland, Mario Garza, Mats Hummels, and a lot more players in the same manner.

Another team is Monaco who have sold players like Kylian Mbappe, James Rodriguez, etc. I think even though these teams do not rank higher in the leaderboard they make a good enough revenue from the transfer market.

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Quote from: Sirait on January 16, 2023, 08:24:56 AM

I can't wait to see the Bundesliga start again,

This weekend, let's take a look. The opening match after the World Cup looks exciting Leipzig vs Bayern Munich. Perhaps this will be a tough test for Julian Nagelsmann , Manuel Neuer and Lucas Hernandez injured and confirmed to be absent until the end of this season. In addition, Noussair Mazraoui is also experiencing heart disease from Covid. The opening game was quite tough because they didn't play with the best team. But they should have won to still give a four-point gap with Freiburg.

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Dortmund has really played a great role to the world of football. Dortmund is capable of building young players and sells to other teams. This players performs well whey they are signing into a new team. Making money as a club is a big scheme as a club.

I can't wait to see the Bundesliga start again, and the opponent that Dortmund will face is Augsburg, everyone is positive about the final result that Dortmund will get especially some of their great players have prepared in fit conditions. whatever business dortmund runs, I'm 100% sure the goal is for the good of the team in the long term. Another news is that Dortmund did not force Hummels to extend his contract, but I see that Hummels is an important player for Dortmund, they must be able to convince Hummels to extend his contract at Dortmund.

It may be true that they are doing that for their future, but for how long? They must immediately return to competition to win the title. It's been too long for Bayern Munich to be in high dominance, I think it's time we see this new champion in the Bundesliga. It's boring I think because we only see one team that manages to win the title for a long time. And the other teams are just fighting over tickets to go to the Champions League.

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Nothing can be expected from the Dortmund team, which always prioritizes the business of selling the best players to other teams, so that Dortmund doesn't really care about their current position in the Bundesliga standings. Even though Dortmund's chances of getting into the top four in the Bundesliga standings are still very open and not too far for them to achieve this season. But I don't see Dortmund's passion to achieve that now either.

I wouldn’t exactly put it like that. Dortmund most likely does care about their current position in the Bundesliga. Like all clubs, they’re playing to win. And in my opinion, their chances of getting into the top four in the Bundesliga is almost assured.
Although they’ve got somewhat of a reputation of selling go of some of the best players they’ve ever had who most of them had gone on to play in the English leagues and are doing very well. One thing is sure, they do know how to produce very amazing players

In as much Dortmund sells their best players they are still trying their best to be in a good a position. Dortmund still have the chances of securing better position before the season ends. Sometimes having best players in a team does not guarantee a team will win a competition.

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Quote from: Masplanc on January 16, 2023, 03:19:45 AM

Dortmund has really played a great role to the world of football. Dortmund is capable of building young players and sells to other teams. This players performs well whey they are signing into a new team. Making money as a club is a big scheme as a club.

I can't wait to see the Bundesliga start again, and the opponent that Dortmund will face is Augsburg, everyone is positive about the final result that Dortmund will get especially some of their great players have prepared in fit conditions. whatever business dortmund runs, I'm 100% sure the goal is for the good of the team in the long term. Another news is that Dortmund did not force Hummels to extend his contract, but I see that Hummels is an important player for Dortmund, they must be able to convince Hummels to extend his contract at Dortmund.

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Currently Leverkusen are in 12th place in the standings which is very bad and Leverkusen should be in a better position like last season which was in the top 4. But indeed sometimes there are times when a club is in a state of underperformance and that is also what Leverkusen is experiencing.

what happened to Leverkusen was a setback. this is not good for a club like Leverkusen to experience. but this season they look bad. I don't know what happened, but they didn't do much to show the quality like the previous season.
their front line is not productive enough. They have conceded more goals than they have scored. there is something wrong with their current team. and I think it's too late they realize if they want to fix this time. it looks like this season, they will be stuck in the mid-table. there wasn't much they could do.

One solution that I think will impact the club's performance is to buy new players in the current transfer window. Of course this will be very influential in terms of tactics and processing the ball on the field so that it can be more productive to score goals. So far I have followed the development of player transfers from various leagues in Europe but I have not found any rumors of players being linked to Leverkusen. If Leverkusen don't take this step soon they will be even worse off in the bundesliga standings this season.

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Currently Leverkusen are in 12th place in the standings which is very bad and Leverkusen should be in a better position like last season which was in the top 4. But indeed sometimes there are times when a club is in a state of underperformance and that is also what Leverkusen is experiencing.

what happened to Leverkusen was a setback. this is not good for a club like Leverkusen to experience. but this season they look bad. I don't know what happened, but they didn't do much to show the quality like the previous season.
their front line is not productive enough. They have conceded more goals than they have scored. there is something wrong with their current team. and I think it's too late they realize if they want to fix this time. it looks like this season, they will be stuck in the mid-table. there wasn't much they could do.

Leverkusen showed a very bad start to the season, unfortunately they couldn't get up quickly so we can see their current position. There is hope when in the last 3 matches they can win, what they have to do now is play well and gain point by point and make their position in the standings even better. There is no competition that requires them to share their focus, so they should be able to focus on the Bundesliga first. At least they are not at the bottom of the table, and they can try to come back better next season.

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Quote from: rendravolt on January 16, 2023, 03:56:20 AM

Currently Leverkusen are in 12th place in the standings which is very bad and Leverkusen should be in a better position like last season which was in the top 4. But indeed sometimes there are times when a club is in a state of underperformance and that is also what Leverkusen is experiencing.

what happened to Leverkusen was a setback. this is not good for a club like Leverkusen to experience. but this season they look bad. I don't know what happened, but they didn't do much to show the quality like the previous season.
their front line is not productive enough. They have conceded more goals than they have scored. there is something wrong with their current team. and I think it's too late they realize if they want to fix this time. it looks like this season, they will be stuck in the mid-table. there wasn't much they could do.

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U wouldn't think Dortmund should be in 6th place in the Bundesliga standing but it happened. I'm not surprised to see Dortmund in that position. I mean what do u expect from a club that makes Business a priority over achievement? For the past how many years now they have been in this so it is no more surprising. As it is now, gets ready to see well-groomed Dortmund's new stars that will be sold the next summer and worry less about their standing at the table.

Nothing can be expected from the Dortmund team, which always prioritizes the business of selling the best players to other teams, so that Dortmund doesn't really care about their current position in the Bundesliga standings. Even though Dortmund's chances of getting into the top four in the Bundesliga standings are still very open and not too far for them to achieve this season. But I don't see Dortmund's passion to achieve that now either.

Indeed, if Dortmund don't go into the business of selling players as much as they did last season they would certainly have a better place in the bundesliga standings. But sometimes we also don't know what are the benchmarks for carrying out this strategy for a club. Apart from that, Dortmund can always get good players and that is probably rarely owned by other clubs, which makes other clubs end up hunting their players in the transfer market. But with the current squad of players, Dortmund can still compete in the top 4, but it's just that their performance for this season is still dropping and hasn't returned consistently.

Sure, Dortmund has been offloading a lot of their star players, but that's par for the course. While other clubs have plenty of cash lying around, Dortmund must make decisions that benefit the club financially. It's impressive, though, that despite selling off so many players, they continue to unearth fresh talent. If they keep doing what they've been doing well (making trades and playing well), I can see them challenging for a top-four spot. They are still a formidable squad; they simply need to find their footing again

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when discussing their business strategy, there is nothing wrong with what is done by the dortmund management, because basically all the teams are trying hard to make money in any way

So far, the players who have been sold by Dortmund to other teams have succeeded in becoming great players, so the Dortmund players will definitely continue to receive supervision from rich teams out there. I admit that the business run by Dortmund is very smart

At least Dortmund made a contribution to the world of football by creating great players with great potential. Dortmund had not previously realized that it always created great players, but over time, many great clubs often bought young players in Dortmund, so that many people thought that Dortmundbbusiness was selling world class players.

Dortmund has really played a great role to the world of football. Dortmund is capable of building young players and sells to other teams. This players performs well when they are signed into a new team. Making money as a club is a big scheme as a club.

No doubt, Dortmund has contributed a lot in building up many football teams by giving out good starlets. But I dislike their operation on one side and that is Giving out players to another team without utilizing them first to achieve something for the club. This act is like producing a gun and then giving it to someone else to use against u. Dortmund's ability should help grow their team but it is only progressing other teams and it's wrong.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on January 15, 2023, 12:23:03 PM

Leverkusen were also in good shape before this break, yes they can win 3 times in a row so they can be better in the standings. Their 7 defeats during this season were so bad, and also in the Champions League they had to be eliminated because they couldn't compete with Club Brugge, they were the ones who could move on to the next round in the Champions League. I think they are the same as Sevilla in La Liga. Their condition is so worrying, and their performance is very far from what they showed last season. I hope that after this break they can return to the positive track and continue to push up in the standings table.

Currently Leverkusen are in 12th place in the standings which is very bad and Leverkusen should be in a better position like last season which was in the top 4. But indeed sometimes there are times when a club is in a state of underperformance and that is also what Leverkusen is experiencing.

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I can't wait for the Bundesliga to restart, I want to see the changes that might be experienced by the participating teams here. If you look at other top leagues, I would say that there are changes, although not too big, like in the Premier League, one by one the teams are starting to improve and there are also teams that are actually getting worse.
In the Bundesliga I don't think it will be too significant, some teams that played well before the break, maybe will continue to show their good game. But to prove that we have to see the League run first.

same here, it will be a sure awesome thing if we can surely see different variety of players and teams, now there are teams that are improving a lot and there are teams that mostly aren't really improving well, but we can not really compare the level of play for all different clubs and all professional association football league out there like in the La Liga or Premier League that surely I love watching as well, but you got to see the different variety that I am talking about because there will always be most likely very different,

The thing is in the Bundesliga it is very hard for teams to actually show their improvement. Because the best team in Bundesliga, is Bayern Munich, they are always the one going to win in most cases. So even if a team does improve, it is quite hard for them to actually make a name and come to the spotlight because they are often unable to win the little.

Actually, it's not like the teams are not improving. The teams are actually improving. Union Berlin and Wolfsburg are good examples of teams that are improving. But again people think that this league has become boring just because Bayern Munich is winning the title, again and again, year after year.

true, teams in Bundesliga are improving and not just in the league we've seen improvements in European leagues as well, but unfortunately they still behind Bayern Munich, which is not surprising because Bayern Munich are winning Champions Leagues and if they were at a really high level we could have seen them achieve something in a big tournament like CL but they improved but they still "weak" compared to big teams.

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when discussing their business strategy, there is nothing wrong with what is done by the dortmund management, because basically all the teams are trying hard to make money in any way

So far, the players who have been sold by Dortmund to other teams have succeeded in becoming great players, so the Dortmund players will definitely continue to receive supervision from rich teams out there. I admit that the business run by Dortmund is very smart

At least Dortmund made a contribution to the world of football by creating great players with great potential. Dortmund had not previously realized that it always created great players, but over time, many great clubs often bought young players in Dortmund, so that many people thought that Dortmundbbusiness was selling world class players.

Dortmund has really played a great role to the world of football. Dortmund is capable of building young players and sells to other teams. This players performs well whey they are signing into a new team. Making money as a club is a big scheme as a club.

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Leverkusen were also in good shape before this break, yes they can win 3 times in a row so they can be better in the standings. Their 7 defeats during this season were so bad, and also in the Champions League they had to be eliminated because they couldn't compete with Club Brugge, they were the ones who could move on to the next round in the Champions League. I think they are the same as Sevilla in La Liga. Their condition is so worrying, and their performance is very far from what they showed last season. I hope that after this break they can return to the positive track and continue to push up in the standings table.

I believe in Leverkusen to get away more from the relegation field week by week. Like you said they are already on a good winning streak now. Xabi Alonso has started to have a good chemistry with the team in a short time seemingly. This is a really good thing to see because Xabi Alonso doesn't have much of an experience as a manager. I was seeing Leverkusen as similar to Sevilla at the beginning of the season. But now Leverkusen have started to pull themselves together while Sevilla are still in a big mess.
Leverkusen are seven points away from the 6th position as well but there are so many teams between too. I don't know if they can manage to carry themselves to that area before the end of the season. It is a difficult task for sure.

At least in this case their change of coach is paying off and Xabi can slowly lift Leverkusen's performance in a better direction and of course that is a good thing.
With their current condition they are slowly moving away and are in 12th position. Even though the positions in the Champions League and Europa League zones are still quite far away, at least they are free from the relegation zone now.
Actually when Xabi was here I had my doubts with him a bit but as time has gone on he has continued to prove that he is capable and I like his progress now.

Leverkusen is playing quite well and seems to be an improved team right now. The interesting thing is I did not see any crucial changes in the squad. So, I think we can say that this happened because of the change in authority. Right now they are quite far away from the relegation zone. And I think the way they are playing, they should be able to improve further and should become a team in the top 10 positions in no time.

Actually, I had doubts about Xabi being the coach. But now I am not doubting them or him. But there is a long way to go. And I think if we say they are going to perform well throughout the rest of the season, we will be speaking too early.

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Still, Bayern Munich's match against RB Leipzig is a serious test. Perhaps the best team after Bayern Munich. It is a pity that Bayern Munich usually has so little opposition in this competition. There used to be a serious title fight with competitor Dortmund, but that is really in the past. I don't know exactly how it came about that the differences between these 2 teams have become so great. They used to be about as good. Dortmund has brought in a lot of money for Haaland, but has now at least got Haaler back, who incidentally scored no fewer than 3 goals in a last friendly match. He seems to have fully recovered from his illness.

Since after Dortmund was on the verge of bankruptcy in 2005, Die Borussen no longer has the ambition to target winning a trophy in any competition. they are more looking for young talents, then sell them after becoming a star. Dortmund gain a lot of coffers of money by selling their stars, so Dortmund does not rely too much on sponsors and ticket sales.
I have repeatedly posted regarding the Dortmund business. so don't expect Dortmund to compete with Bayern Munich let alone have the ambition to win a championship trophy. Currently, Haller has been declared fully recovered from his testicular cancer. it looks like Haller will certainly make his debut in the Bundesliga in the second half of this season. at least, Edin Terzic will prioritize his troops to finish in the top four of the Bundesliga until the end of this season. so, let's just see Dortmund's performance in the second half of this season.

I do not think Dortmund is actually going to be able to improve in the second half of the season. I actually believe even though they will have Haller from now on they are not going to be able to improve their performance anyway. But it is obviously a good news that he has been fully clear of his testicular cancer. And he also made a hattrick after coming back. But I do not think that Dortmund is going to improve as a team.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on January 15, 2023, 06:58:37 PM

At least Dortmund made a contribution to the world of football by creating great players with great potential. Dortmund had not previously realized that it always created great players, but over time, many great clubs often bought young players in Dortmund, so that many people thought that Dortmundbbusiness was selling world class players.

Dortmund already got what it aimed. Dortmund sell players but in return and the club was getting a lot of money too. That's a win win situation from both buyers and sellers. Dortmund already known what's gonna be its main target. Dortmund is always doing it as a part for the regenaration of its players. As long as dortmund will always be placed at the top until the end of season and that's fine for dortmund. i think that people know so well about that.
That's why dortmund was choosing to sell its best players instead of keep them until the end of season. As long as there would be interesting offer and that;s fine.

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Quote from: Fesatmas on January 15, 2023, 06:55:58 AM

I can't wait for the Bundesliga to restart, I want to see the changes that might be experienced by the participating teams here. If you look at other top leagues, I would say that there are changes, although not too big, like in the Premier League, one by one the teams are starting to improve and there are also teams that are actually getting worse.
In the Bundesliga I don't think it will be too significant, some teams that played well before the break, maybe will continue to show their good game. But to prove that we have to see the League run first.

same here, it will be a sure awesome thing if we can surely see different variety of players and teams, now there are teams that are improving a lot and there are teams that mostly aren't really improving well, but we can not really compare the level of play for all different clubs and all professional association football league out there like in the La Liga or Premier League that surely I love watching as well, but you got to see the different variety that I am talking about because there will always be most likely very different,

The thing is in the Bundesliga it is very hard for teams to actually show their improvement. Because the best team in Bundesliga, is Bayern Munich, they are always the one going to win in most cases. So even if a team does improve, it is quite hard for them to actually make a name and come to the spotlight because they are often unable to win the little.

Actually, it's not like the teams are not improving. The teams are actually improving. Union Berlin and Wolfsburg are good examples of teams that are improving. But again people think that this league has become boring just because Bayern Munich is winning the title, again and again, year after year.

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Quote from: Fesatmas on January 15, 2023, 06:55:58 AM

I can't wait for the Bundesliga to restart, I want to see the changes that might be experienced by the participating teams here. If you look at other top leagues, I would say that there are changes, although not too big, like in the Premier League, one by one the teams are starting to improve and there are also teams that are actually getting worse.
In the Bundesliga I don't think it will be too significant, some teams that played well before the break, maybe will continue to show their good game. But to prove that we have to see the League run first.

Matchday 16 will starts on January 21, and yes we got teams that have improved but we also got teams that are still the same some not improve that much and some have declined really badly, well they can not get all, and pertaining to the upcoming match I think that we are into some surprise and the 1st match was really a bomber for us, and it will be Bayern Munich Against Leipzig, I think these two teams were really meant to clash and on the 1st day that I have watch Bundesliga this two was always there always Bayern Munich 1st and Leipzig on the 2nd spot, and sometimes Dortmund will become 2nd but all in all it will be always Leipzig on the 2nd standing,

Quote from: Fesatmas on January 15, 2023, 06:55:58 AM

I can't wait for the Bundesliga to restart, I want to see the changes that might be experienced by the participating teams here. If you look at other top leagues, I would say that there are changes, although not too big, like in the Premier League, one by one the teams are starting to improve and there are also teams that are actually getting worse.
In the Bundesliga I don't think it will be too significant, some teams that played well before the break, maybe will continue to show their good game. But to prove that we have to see the League run first.

same here, it will be a sure awesome thing if we can surely see different variety of players and teams, now there are teams that are improving a lot and there are teams that mostly aren't really improving well, but we can not really compare the level of play for all different clubs and all professional association football league out there like in the La Liga or Premier League that surely I love watching as well, but you got to see the different variety that I am talking about because there will always be most likely very different,

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Still, Bayern Munich's match against RB Leipzig is a serious test. Perhaps the best team after Bayern Munich. It is a pity that Bayern Munich usually has so little opposition in this competition. There used to be a serious title fight with competitor Dortmund, but that is really in the past. I don't know exactly how it came about that the differences between these 2 teams have become so great. They used to be about as good. Dortmund has brought in a lot of money for Haaland, but has now at least got Haaler back, who incidentally scored no fewer than 3 goals in a last friendly match. He seems to have fully recovered from his illness.

Leipzig is a tough team in the SerieA that bayern Munich needs to be careful about, any small mistakes from Bayern Munich can lead to the victory of Leipzig. Bayern Munich still has big chances of winning the match against Leipzig.

I think that you shall re-focus with what you have been typing. Those teams were playing in bundesliga and you were also in the bundesliga thread. Bayern is having draw against leipzig in the friendly match. Both seem equal at this moment but bayern has more chance to win the battle caused by the history said that if bayern was always winning against leipzig so many times. The domation in the head to head against leipzig is real. Bayern may win against leipzig easily. It seems like that the strategy that being used by bayern in the friendly match just to fool its opponent.
Leipzig is strong but bayern is far stronger compared with leipzig at this moment. Leipzig will be playing with its best squad as nkuku still there.

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Quote from: Tumanggor on January 15, 2023, 01:00:52 PM

when discussing their business strategy, there is nothing wrong with what is done by the dortmund management, because basically all the teams are trying hard to make money in any way

So far, the players who have been sold by Dortmund to other teams have succeeded in becoming great players, so the Dortmund players will definitely continue to receive supervision from rich teams out there. I admit that the business run by Dortmund is very smart

At least Dortmund made a contribution to the world of football by creating great players with great potential. Dortmund had not previously realized that it always created great players, but over time, many great clubs often bought young players in Dortmund, so that many people thought that Dortmundbbusiness was selling world class players.

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