Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread - page 25.

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Quote from: legendbtc on November 05, 2024, 08:31:33 AM

There is no reason why a team at the top of the Bundesliga should not be interested in the Champions League. Even Dortmund are focusing on the Champions League.
The reason here is that Vincent Kompany is still a rookie in the international arena. Maybe Vincent Kompany has enough ideas and expertise to build the playing style at Bayern Munich, helping the club rise to the top of the Bundesliga. But in the Champions League, where any carelessness is not allowed to happen. This coach has exposed the shortcomings of his coaching experience. Look at Real Madrid last season, it was experience that brought them their 15th Champions League trophy.
I bet on the inexperience of coach Vincent Kompany. Bayern Munich will be eliminated before the knockout stage.

Yes I agree with you, Kompany currently has minimal experience as a coach when competing in a competition as big as the UCL, even though he has adequate resources, if he has minimal experience it will still be an obstacle in the competition because we know the UCL is a tough competition. In my opinion this season is not the right time for him to lead Bayern Munich to win the competition, it is better to focus on championships that can really be obtained such as in the Bundesliga now and I see that the opportunity to lift this trophy is very possible for Bayern Munich to get. But who knows in the future they can go through both competitions brilliantly, let's see and enjoy Kompany's journey in both.

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Quote from: Tony116 on November 05, 2024, 08:00:48 AM

I don't understand if Bayern Munich is actually trying to win the Bundesliga and not care so much about the Champions League competition. Because I do not find any other reason why the performance is going to be so bad for them in the Champions League. Maybe the new coach Kompany is trying to win at least one title. Of course, I am not so sure about that and I am just guessing. But that probably should not be the approach from the new coach. maybe he has thought that winning everything is literally not possible and also winning the Bundesliga is the reason why he was brought in in my opinion. So maybe he wants to win the Bundesliga convincingly and make sure that he stays as the coach of Bayern Munich and then concentrate on other competitions.

There is no reason why a team at the top of the Bundesliga should not be interested in the Champions League. Even Dortmund are focusing on the Champions League.
The reason here is that Vincent Kompany is still a rookie in the international arena. Maybe Vincent Kompany has enough ideas and expertise to build the playing style at Bayern Munich, helping the club rise to the top of the Bundesliga. But in the Champions League, where any carelessness is not allowed to happen. This coach has exposed the shortcomings of his coaching experience. Look at Real Madrid last season, it was experience that brought them their 15th Champions League trophy.
I bet on the inexperience of coach Vincent Kompany. Bayern Munich will be eliminated before the knockout stage.

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Quote from: tusandii on November 04, 2024, 09:41:04 PM

I think Bayern Munich's competitors this season are no longer Leverkusen, Stuttgart or Dortmund because their performance in the Bundesliga does not look so stable, unlike last season, but there are still Leipzig and Frankfurt who seem to be Bayern's competitors this season, seen from their more impressive performances and they are also quite close to Bayern Munich at the top of the standings. But I don't thinking any of them can win the Bundesliga title like Leverkusen did last season because honestly I still have doubts, maybe those clubs just want to put pressure on Bayern Munich at the top of the standings.

Bayern this is unlikely to give away the championship back to back, this won't happen. Last year was an eye opener for them and this season they are basically on a redemption tour, no team will stop them or even get close I believe.

I don't understand if Bayern Munich is actually trying to win the Bundesliga and not care so much about the Champions League competition. Because I do not find any other reason why the performance is going to be so bad for them in the Champions League. Maybe the new coach Kompany is trying to win at least one title. Of course, I am not so sure about that and I am just guessing. But that probably should not be the approach from the new coach. maybe he has thought that winning everything is literally not possible and also winning the Bundesliga is the reason why he was brought in in my opinion. So maybe he wants to win the Bundesliga convincingly and make sure that he stays as the coach of Bayern Munich and then concentrate on other competitions.

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Quote from: tusandii on November 04, 2024, 09:41:04 PM

I think Bayern Munich's competitors this season are no longer Leverkusen, Stuttgart or Dortmund because their performance in the Bundesliga does not look so stable, unlike last season, but there are still Leipzig and Frankfurt who seem to be Bayern's competitors this season, seen from their more impressive performances and they are also quite close to Bayern Munich at the top of the standings. But I don't thinking any of them can win the Bundesliga title like Leverkusen did last season because honestly I still have doubts, maybe those clubs just want to put pressure on Bayern Munich at the top of the standings.

Leipzig maybe a contender but Frankfurt, I don't think so. They will fall off soon I predict, as they usually do. Hopefully Dortmund will pick up some more points and good games soon. They are still down a lot of points to the top so getting there is as good as impossible.
But if they finally get their shxt together I believe they will catch Frankfurt for sure
Bayern this is unlikely to give away the championship back to back, this won't happen. Last year was an eye opener for them and this season they are basically on a redemption tour, no team will stop them or even get close I believe.

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Quote from: tusandii on November 04, 2024, 09:41:04 PM

Quote from: Pokapoka124 on November 04, 2024, 04:44:07 AM

I would not rule out Bayern Munich's hopes of winning this season's German Bundesliga. Most teams in hot pursuit of the crown do not have the same level of quality that Bayern possesses. For example, Bayer Leverkusen has not yet lived up to expectations in this current Bundesliga campaign and is experiencing a dip in form, possibly due to minor injuries affecting key players. Similarly, Borussia Dortmund and VfL Stuttgart face their own challenges; Stuttgart sold their star player to Dortmund and is trying to assemble a team capable of winning the Bundesliga.

Bayern has indeed turned the German Bundesliga into a personalized league, and I’m confident they will be the ones to win it this time around. I don’t think we will see a repeat of last season, when Bayern's rivals Bayer Leverkusen lifted the trophy. Bayern has made some vital adjustments and has firmly established themselves as the eventual winners of this season's league.

I think Bayern Munich's competitors this season are no longer Leverkusen, Stuttgart or Dortmund because their performance in the Bundesliga does not look so stable, unlike last season, but there are still Leipzig and Frankfurt who seem to be Bayern's competitors this season, seen from their more impressive performances and they are also quite close to Bayern Munich at the top of the standings. But I don't thinking any of them can win the Bundesliga title like Leverkusen did last season because honestly I still have doubts, maybe those clubs just want to put pressure on Bayern Munich at the top of the standings.

Yes, more on Frankfurt and Leipzig who are tough competitors for Bayern Munich for the current situation, but of course we can't exclude Leverkusen from the list because after all they are still in the top four of the standings even though they have a fairly large points difference with Bayern Munich, but of course it doesn't mean it's impossible for Xabi Alonso's squad to climb up over time.
On the other hand, what is quite unfortunate this season is VfB's performance which is quite bad so that it makes them have to be in 8th place in the standings, even though previously they finished in second place under Leverkusen, but of course it is still a natural thing for a team to experience such changes.
In the end, yes, I also agree with you that although now Frankfurt and Leipzig are able to put quite a lot of pressure on Bayern Munich, but I am quite sure that at the end of the season the two teams are very likely to lose consistency in getting full points, but of course so far Bayern Munich cannot be said to be safe, especially from Leipzig's pursuit.

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on November 04, 2024, 04:44:07 AM

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Bayern Munich's chances of winning the Champions League title are getting smaller after experiencing 2 unexpected defeats, rather than chasing a title that is very difficult to achieve, it is better to chase the title they are used to getting. Bundesliga is Bayern Munich's dominant and this club lost its title last season so I think this season Bayern Munich will get back what was lost because it seems Leverkusen is not as strong as last season and I think Leipzig will not be able to stop Bayern Munich.

And thanks to the victory of Bayern Munich and Dortmund I won the bet as well as not forgetting Frankfurt who performed impressively against Bochum by scoring many goals quite satisfied with the final result of this weekend's match.

I would not rule out Bayern Munich's hopes of winning this season's German Bundesliga. Most teams in hot pursuit of the crown do not have the same level of quality that Bayern possesses. For example, Bayer Leverkusen has not yet lived up to expectations in this current Bundesliga campaign and is experiencing a dip in form, possibly due to minor injuries affecting key players. Similarly, Borussia Dortmund and VfL Stuttgart face their own challenges; Stuttgart sold their star player to Dortmund and is trying to assemble a team capable of winning the Bundesliga.

Bayern has indeed turned the German Bundesliga into a personalized league, and I’m confident they will be the ones to win it this time around. I don’t think we will see a repeat of last season, when Bayern's rivals Bayer Leverkusen lifted the trophy. Bayern has made some vital adjustments and has firmly established themselves as the eventual winners of this season's league.

I think Bayern Munich's competitors this season are no longer Leverkusen, Stuttgart or Dortmund because their performance in the Bundesliga does not look so stable, unlike last season, but there are still Leipzig and Frankfurt who seem to be Bayern's competitors this season, seen from their more impressive performances and they are also quite close to Bayern Munich at the top of the standings. But I don't thinking any of them can win the Bundesliga title like Leverkusen did last season because honestly I still have doubts, maybe those clubs just want to put pressure on Bayern Munich at the top of the standings.

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Quote from: mvdheuvel1983 on November 03, 2024, 07:02:00 PM

I think the win for Dortmund was needed following their defeats back to back in the league and their poor performance in all competitions, they started the game very well but their performance became perfect when they were 0:1 down and RB Leipzig took the lead but they came back and took over the match they managed to equalize the goal and finally defeated the RB Leipzig in a very interesting and unexpected way. Serhou Guirassy is not scoring goals because his team is not creating good chances jwyt like his former team, he is a good striker who is sharp in front of goals but the team performance must times tells a lot in the performance of goal scorers Victor Osimhen experience the same thing when Napoli was in poor form.

That was very interesting match and I watched all match and didn't miss any moment in this match. Dortmund team performance was at the highest rank because all players collaboration was perfect in this match and they did 2 goals in this match. B. Šeško tried to apply pressure on Dortmund full strength team but that team did not come in pressure and all players gave their ful effort to win that match and M. Beier did goal at 30 minutes when team much needed that and after his goal score was equal and after that we saw S. Guirassy performance and he did next goal at 65 minutes and after that no team could do any goal in this match and we saw one Dortmund as a dominant team in this match.

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Quote from: bering on November 04, 2024, 08:02:51 AM

Few months ago we have already to discuss about this that why Dortmund has a habit always sell their potential players is they want to stabilized their financial and when other teams are interested want to buy their players then usually those teams are willing to bought the players with expensive price so Dortmund can used those money for salary players and for club needed but indeed some of Dortmund former players has complaining these habit that Dortmund will always be hard to compete with Bayern Munich for race title if they didn't stopped their habit but i don't think Dortmund president will be considering these suggestions and they will always to thinking to sell the players with expensive price

As we all know, if Dortmund wins often produce talented players and then sell them with high transfer value. the idea that they have implemented until now has made them escape bankruptcy at that time, and is now part of a profitable business. thus, as you said the profit they get to finance the cost of all club operations, apart from broadcasting rights and other businesses they run. this season there is a little difference with the situation at Dortmund, although they still always bring in young talented players. some of the names they brought in the summer transfer window last year, it seems that Dortmund is starting to target something, although we are quite doubtful about the coach who is still young and has minimal experience. we can see so far their performance is unstable, but that doesn't mean they always play badly. their game is starting to show good gameplay, although not always consistent. currently Dortmund is in 6th place, but they still have a chance to compete again in the top four of the Bundesliga. at least, Nuri Sahin is targeting his team to finish in the top four and qualify for the Champions League.

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Quote from: Hyphen(-) on November 04, 2024, 01:30:18 PM

Quote from: Docnaster on November 04, 2024, 09:03:00 AM

Though Bayern Munich haven't been totally perfect this season but we can't shy away from the fact that they're more improved than the Bayern Munich team we saw under Thomas Tuchel last season that finished the entire campaign without a trophy. Vincent Kompany is doing his best but still needs to improve and I'm very optimistic he'll continue to improve Bayern Munich. I see them conquering not just Germany but Europe in no distant time if they continue to improve with their current pace

The team performance has improved very well, and it is far better than last two season when Thomas Tuchel was managing the team. Vincent Kompany is a good coach, he have the qualities of a good coach that knows how to improve his team’s performance and he knows the best players he will sign to suite his team.

He and his team can win the Bundesliga this season because currently, they are the best team in the Bundesliga, they have good squad that can defeat any Bundesliga team this season. The two teams that can be competitive are Leverkusen and Leipzig and Bayern Munich will defeat them; while Dortmund looks a bit serious but lack consistency. Therefore, I see no team that can stop them to win the Bundesliga this season.

I wonder if you compare the every single week where they have been two years ago with where they are now. In the case of Bayern Munich, you can't just take the Bundesliga, but need to take all competitions and Tuchel was struggling in that respect. That's a truth that can't be denied. But purely speaking about the Bundesliga, you are right. The other teams don't perform as if they can compete with this year's Bundesliga Bayern team so to say.

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Quote from: Docnaster on November 04, 2024, 09:03:00 AM

Though Bayern Munich haven't been totally perfect this season but we can't shy away from the fact that they're more improved than the Bayern Munich team we saw under Thomas Tuchel last season that finished the entire campaign without a trophy. Vincent Kompany is doing his best but still needs to improve and I'm very optimistic he'll continue to improve Bayern Munich. I see them conquering not just Germany but Europe in no distant time if they continue to improve with their current pace

The team performance has improved very well, and it is far better than last two season when Thomas Tuchel was managing the team. Vincent Kompany is a good coach, he have the qualities of a good coach that knows how to improve his team’s performance and he knows the best players he will sign to suite his team.

He and his team can win the Bundesliga this season because currently, they are the best team in the Bundesliga, they have good squad that can defeat any Bundesliga team this season. The two teams that can be competitive are Leverkusen and Leipzig and Bayern Munich will defeat them; while Dortmund looks a bit serious but lack consistency. Therefore, I see no team that can stop them to win the Bundesliga this season.

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Quote from: snipie on November 04, 2024, 11:54:50 AM

The emotions of the fans depend from a team to another. In Ligue 1 for example, most PSG coaches won the title but they weren't all successful in the eyes of the owners and the fans because they are trying to lift UEFA Champions League trophy. Same goes for Bayern Munich, if Kompany will bring them back 1.Bundesliga title ,they will be happy for a short time but if he succeeded to bring UEFA CL title, he will be a legend.
It is true Bayern Munich is advancing good and that Leipzig defeat by Dortmund helped them get some distances, yet nice stats cannot stand in front of European competitions results.

If we look at both teams we need to Check their history, at a PSG they don’t have am history like Bayern Munich, they are just like Manchester city that wants to win the UCL and until they did that they didn’t appreciate the other achievements but in German league Bayern Munich had won the champions league before and so it is not a new thing but the league is dare to then and they don’t want anyone winning it, they are similar to Juventus who prioritize their league then than the champions league,

Also this clubs that usually are built with money think they can buy success and as such they don’t value any other thing other than the champions league. The first priority for Kompany will be to take Bayern back to the Bundesliga tittle and if he manages to clinch the champions league then it will be a added bonus to them but not the priority now

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I didn't quite understand your point/what you want to prove. If Aston Villa is a top team and Bayern lost, then he is right, if Aston Villa is an average/weak team, then Bayern's defeat even more clearly shows that Bayern is not ready to compete at the top level. In general, no one disputes the good performance of German clubs in European competitions (they now seem to be first in the overall ranking), but this does not mean that in individual confrontations they are mostly favorites.

You probably choose not to understand the point am making otherwise it's clear to grasp. Aston villa having a one narrow win against elite team as Bayern doesn't automatically qualify them to be called a top team in Europe. Villa has never played in any European league competition since not until now and immediately because they won Bayern Munich you guys now assume them a top team position in the UCL. How ridiculous!

Are you delirious?

Well, I take exception to this question as it doesn't settle well with me, especially in a healthy discussion as this except you've are with a different view here.

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No one is saying Aston Villa are the best in Europe or even close. We are talking about the strength of Bayern and obviously here we need to look at the results with strong teams (Aston Villa is certainly one of them) and not with clubs like Dinamo Zagreb.
Ok, I don't care how you rate Aston Villa, but how do you rate the fact that Bayern lost? As a coincidence? Probably other results with strong teams are also a coincidence?

This season Aston villa is playing in strong form no doubt but unlike the loss Bayern Munich had against Barcelona in a 4:1 result which couldn't be a coincidence but a clear defeat of a better side but that of Aston villa doesn't really reveal such confidence under a 1:0 defeat. Bayern in this very game had a hard-luck in scoring because Villa didn't even played much better than Munich team did.

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Quote from: Docnaster on November 04, 2024, 12:22:30 PM

RB Leipzig's failure to win their game over the weekend is a big boost to Bayern Munich's quest to win the German Bundesliga this season but surely not a guarantee that Bayern Munich will win the league. They're currently separated by just three points in the league table which means that second placed Leipzig can still recover and win the league of they can maintain a consistent performance. There's no doubt to the fact that Bayern Munich is the favorites to win the league this season but they'll have to work hard to clinch the title

Their lose has made Bayern Munich the only team that remains unbeaten in the Bundesliga and with the way Bayern Munich is going this season it this is their season, they lost the league to Leverkusen the previous season and from their form in this current season it seems they've retraced their steps hence the good form and unbeaten run. Well, if they maintain it past the January transfer window them there's a possibility of them winning the league back from Leverkusen. However between Leipzig and Bayern Munich I think it's Leipzig that's got a more tougher challenge cause they'll be playing against Monchenglach next whereas Bayern's next match is against St Pauli, which won't be very difficult for Bayern to claim the 3 points, I don't doubt if Leipzig would win though but then Bayern are the most likely team to get 3 points in their next game and I stand on your word that they're the favourites to win the league, it's not going to be very easy cause along the line they'll face injuries which could make their form decline but if they keep pushing then they stand good chance of winning it.

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It is true Bayern Munich is advancing good and that Leipzig defeat by Dortmund helped them get some distances, yet nice stats cannot stand in front of European competitions results.

RB Leipzig's failure to win their game over the weekend is a big boost to Bayern Munich's quest to win the German Bundesliga this season but surely not a guarantee that Bayern Munich will win the league. They're currently separated by just three points in the league table which means that second placed Leipzig can still recover and win the league of they can maintain a consistent performance. There's no doubt to the fact that Bayern Munich is the favorites to win the league this season but they'll have to work hard to clinch the title

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Present a trophy as proof, and that's how to gain the trust and love of the fans, even making the club offer a contract extension with a higher salary bill per season. Kompany is heading in the direction we mean, at least in the Bundesliga. 9 games unbeaten, his team has scored 32 goals and only conceded 7 times. Statistics that indicate that Kompany has great potential to lead his squad to the podium when the season ends. If successful, Kompany will have a closer emotional connection with Bayern Munich fans and of course respect.

The emotions of the fans depend from a team to another. In Ligue 1 for example, most PSG coaches won the title but they weren't all successful in the eyes of the owners and the fans because they are trying to lift UEFA Champions League trophy. Same goes for Bayern Munich, if Kompany will bring them back 1.Bundesliga title ,they will be happy for a short time but if he succeeded to bring UEFA CL title, he will be a legend.
It is true Bayern Munich is advancing good and that Leipzig defeat by Dortmund helped them get some distances, yet nice stats cannot stand in front of European competitions results.

I think Bayern Munich only need to be able to dominate the Bundesliga, not have big targets in the Champions League like PSG did. Because anyway, if you consider the previous coaches that Bayern Munich is also only consistent for the Bundesliga trophy, until the coach can be retained. But, when Tuchel became Bayern Munich coach and failed to get the trophy then the dismissal occurred. Also, although Bayern Munich has great dominance in the Bundesliga, the reality is that Bayern Munich is also not always good in the Champions League. Thus, I think Kompany has had a safe point to be at Bayern Munich for longer, because a good result in the Bundesliga was enough for Bayern Munich to keep Kompany.

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Quote from: snipie on November 04, 2024, 11:54:50 AM

It is true Bayern Munich is advancing good and that Leipzig defeat by Dortmund helped them get some distances, yet nice stats cannot stand in front of European competitions results.

At least Munich must secure 1 trophy that they lost last season because of Leverkusen's good performance. now some teams are not performing as well as last season, Leverkusen experienced a decline because last season they lifted the trophy without defeat and now Munich is the only team that is still undefeated in the Bundesliga.
Their journey in the Champions League will continue. I am sure they will qualify for the next round. we have to see it until the end, but the most important thing is they must not lose focus in the Bundesliga. all trophies are important for the history of the club. Munich is no exception.

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Quote from: imamusma on November 04, 2024, 11:35:29 AM

Present a trophy as proof, and that's how to gain the trust and love of the fans, even making the club offer a contract extension with a higher salary bill per season. Kompany is heading in the direction we mean, at least in the Bundesliga. 9 games unbeaten, his team has scored 32 goals and only conceded 7 times. Statistics that indicate that Kompany has great potential to lead his squad to the podium when the season ends. If successful, Kompany will have a closer emotional connection with Bayern Munich fans and of course respect.

The emotions of the fans depend from a team to another. In Ligue 1 for example, most PSG coaches won the title but they weren't all successful in the eyes of the owners and the fans because they are trying to lift UEFA Champions League trophy. Same goes for Bayern Munich, if Kompany will bring them back 1.Bundesliga title ,they will be happy for a short time but if he succeeded to bring UEFA CL title, he will be a legend.
It is true Bayern Munich is advancing good and that Leipzig defeat by Dortmund helped them get some distances, yet nice stats cannot stand in front of European competitions results.

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Liking kompany is not what you will expect most persons to do, literally he's on probation currently because even the management of Bayern Munich didn't give him a long term deal but with time they will get to like him if he's very productive and probably gets them a trophy by the end of the season, one thing I even see about him is that he doesn't seem to listen to all the hates and all that, he's focused on making say to get his job delivered from which i believe hes going to gain some more trust and love probably.

Present a trophy as proof, and that's how to gain the trust and love of the fans, even making the club offer a contract extension with a higher salary bill per season. Kompany is heading in the direction we mean, at least in the Bundesliga. 9 games unbeaten, his team has scored 32 goals and only conceded 7 times. Statistics that indicate that Kompany has great potential to lead his squad to the podium when the season ends. If successful, Kompany will have a closer emotional connection with Bayern Munich fans and of course respect.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on November 04, 2024, 10:34:58 AM

Yea, Kompany's journey at Bayern Munich has just started a few months, we can always see how it develops, I know even though Bayern Munich is now at the top standing, but there are still many people who don't like him. Because they still think that Kompany is not that experienced that easily. In the upcoming UCL this week, they will face Benfica. This may not seem so difficult for Bayern Munich, but they must also remain alert to what Benfica can do to defeat their opponents.

Source: Benfica are up next at the Allianz Arena. - UCL

Liking kompany is not what you will expect most persons to do, literally he's on probation currently because even the management of Bayern Munich didn't give him a long term deal but with time they will get to like him if he's very productive and probably gets them a trophy by the end of the season, one thing I even see about him is that he doesn't seem to listen to all the hates and all that, he's focused on making say to get his job delivered from which i believe hes going to gain some more trust and love probably.

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Quote from: Weawant on November 04, 2024, 08:55:35 AM

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That's why I said that Kompany must cope with this situation. So that he can optimize all the performance of his squad in not only the Bundesliga but also the UCL. /onefootball.com/id/berita/vincent-kompany-leads-europe-in-reaching-major-bayern-milestone-40253965]Vincent Kompany[/url][/i][/size]

Well it's all starts with getting it right within a particular sphere before which you move on to the next, I'm also aware that every coach of international standards is supposed to build a copping mechanism with which they use to scale through both regular and unusual situations,

Yea, Kompany's journey at Bayern Munich has just started a few months, we can always see how it develops, I know even though Bayern Munich is now at the top standing, but there are still many people who don't like him. Because they still think that Kompany is not that experienced that easily. In the upcoming UCL this week, they will face Benfica. This may not seem so difficult for Bayern Munich, but they must also remain alert to what Benfica can do to defeat their opponents.

Source: Benfica are up next at the Allianz Arena. - UCL

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