One thing we need to understand is that not all clubs will be able to keep their most important players at the same time, some clubs are definitely just going to be developing talents and then letting them leave, clubs like Benfica and Ajax can also be good player’s example again. This clubs are built the same and no matter how they do well in their league they will end up selling their players, Dortmund isn’t different from them, even if they win the Bundesliga today they will sell off their best player to their direct opponents self, I could remember the same issue with the Lewandowski then when he moved to Bayern Munich.
I also agree with you some clubs like Benfica Ajax and Dortmund are like training schools for young players. They help players to get better but then they sell them to bigger clubs. These kind of clubs make money by selling their best players instead of they do not take any season seriously and do not win any trophy. It is sad for fans to see their favorite players leave but that is how transfer market works. Even if Dortmund wins league they will probably still sell their best players to top clubs like Bayern Munich. This makes it hard for these clubs to be successful for long time and compete with best teams in Europe. 
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Bayern Munich should pay special attention this year. Because last year they experienced a series of innovations against Bayer Leverkusen and could not achieve any success in the league, Europe and domestic cups. It was the first time in a long time that they ended a season without a trophy. That's why Kompany's job is harder this year. They have to win every trophy and every match. Only then can they make up for last year.
Bayern Munich even with all the attention they are paying we don't know if they will be able to achieve what they have in mind, it is not about what you have in mind it is how you work towards it, and is Bayern Munich ready or do they even have the capacity to be able to succeed in their journey to chase success, now that Bayer Leverkusen have tested victory will they want to be let Bayern take back their old glory I don't think so, for something that is already established, it will be very difficult to allow the whole thing go the way it was, clubs that performed better than Bayern last season will also want to do better than what they played last season, they should leave Kompany alone till the season starts then that way we will be able to decide whether he will do well or not they should give the young its chance everyone deserves one.
I also think Borussia Dortmund will not change their style easily. They have a team strategy that has been going on for years. This team strategy will continue. If they win the Bundesliga championship one day, these criticisms will gradually end. The Bundesliga is a league that is used to Bayern Munich winning the championship, but last year Leverkusen managed to destroy that. I hope this year will be a good year for Borussia Dortmund too.
One thing we need to understand is that not all clubs will be able to keep their most important players at the same time, some clubs are definitely just going to be developing talents and then letting them leave, clubs like Benfica and Ajax can also be good player’s example again. This clubs are built the same and no matter how they do well in their league they will end up selling their players, Dortmund isn’t different from them, even if they win the Bundesliga today they will sell off their best player to their direct opponents self, I could remember the same issue with the Lewandowski then when he moved to Bayern Munich.
Betting on a friendly match is too risky, both teams are experimenting with lineups and do not pay much attention to the result in pre-season training. I think that Villarreal will not lose today, but in any case, I refrain from betting on friendly matches, because the result can be anything, and the last match with Nottingham, Villarreal played 0:0, that is, even this can happen, and to think that there may be many goals in the match to think about betting on the total, there are also risks. And Dortmund without Terzic can show a completely different game.
Personally, I don't pay attention to Pre-season game results because it's usually shocking. We will witness game outcomes where elite clubs becomes victims of defeats to average clubs. Pre-season matches are definitely not the actual focus which will be coming from the coaches. It's advisable to not bother oneself towards these results and we should always tap in for bigger winnings especially when the league starts. 
Dortmund president has give the statement regarding why they had a habit always be sell their important players to other clubs this because Dortmund is not the club with strong financial such as Bayern Munich and with selling players to other clubs it can managed the balanced of financial club so that's why although Dortmund has received plenty of critism about their habit then they will always be doing that
Yes, this is a reasonable reason. Even for now, their current transfer record is still in a loss position, with a not insignificant amount, €-22.90m.
Source: Borussia Dortmund if they didn’t sell their stars
Here is their squad list if they do not sell any of their top players so far. However, does not selling them mean Dortmund can be much more advanced? Not necessarily, because once again, Dortmund's finances are not that good to keep those top players, and that is the reason why they often sell their top players, for the sake of their financial balance.
Utilizing the opportunity to gain sympathy and confidence is of course very good but it should also not be used as a reference and rule out some players who should be given playing time especially for them young players.
So that there is a balance where when he takes the confidence of the fans to see him as a worthy coach, this is also intended so that he can make young players comfortable because they get flying hours in a club because they are given the opportunity.
With the few games Kompany has played in the pre-season he's done that and that's a very good thing I think. There are some players who are given trust and get a good potential in the squad when the friendly matches can build their mentality to be even better so that pre-season although in terms of results we cannot expect much but it was quite successfully done by Kompany.
Of course there should be a room for other small players to also prove themselves, actually I understand the reason why you mentioned that because in most cases whenever a new coach is giving the opportunity they will tend to disallowed other smaller players from performing so that they will be able to continue wining all there matches and in most cases players doesn't like that kind of coaching pattern, however the good thing is that Kompany is not that kind of coach because during the time he was playing for Manchester City he knows that there are so much performance on young players if given the opportunity so he will always consider them, so perhaps already we can see it from there pre season matches because he did not only use the old players but also few of there younger players to see how they can perform. So that there is a balance where when he takes the confidence of the fans to see him as a worthy coach, this is also intended so that he can make young players comfortable because they get flying hours in a club because they are given the opportunity.
With the few games Kompany has played in the pre-season he's done that and that's a very good thing I think. There are some players who are given trust and get a good potential in the squad when the friendly matches can build their mentality to be even better so that pre-season although in terms of results we cannot expect much but it was quite successfully done by Kompany.
Apart from the coaches looking for new space to create schemes with some adjustments to be made in the work plan next season, coaches also know that they have to utilize the conditions of pre-season / friendly matches as an option to find the best seeds in their squad by providing good flight hours for young players especially by playing young players in matches like this will not interfere with the club's situation because this match is still a trial so surely all coaches will do the same because in addition to regeneration, this is also a form of developing young talent to benefit them later.
Borussia Dortmund has been doing this for years. They get the biggest criticism for this, but nothing changes. They see it as a business and think that selling players is more important than winning the championship. The criticism of football fans about Borussia Dortmund doesn't change the situation. They always sell their best players and try to find and train other players. They are actually very good at it.
Maybe this understanding will change and they will try to win the championship until the end and maintain their quality squad, but some clubs can't give up their habits easily.
Dortmund president has give the statement regarding why they had a habit always be sell their important players to other clubs this because Dortmund is not the club with strong financial such as Bayern Munich and with selling players to other clubs it can managed the balanced of financial club so that's why although Dortmund has received plenty of critism about their habit then they will always be doing thatMaybe this understanding will change and they will try to win the championship until the end and maintain their quality squad, but some clubs can't give up their habits easily.
Maybe if Dortmund didn't sell their players probably they can being an strong contender for race title for every season with Bayern Munich and imagined if Dortmund didn't sell Robert Lewandowski, Ilkay Gundogan, Erling Haaland, Jadon Sancho and Ousmane Dembele i think this team can be easily to gets Bundesliga trophy but unfurtunately Dortmund have to sell these players because they required money
What they are doing is not longer a mistake, it is a deliberate attitude and I think it's the way they plan to be carrying out their operations. Assuming it was a mistake, they would have realized the mistake after selling off a few players and see how great they become especially the goal machine Haaland. After Haaland they have built and sold players that are extremely doing well too. Assuming they are interested to build a squad ready to win trophy, they would have been convincing these players to stay with them and achieve positive results together. The fact still remains that they prefer and Prioritize business over building the team for competition.
But maybe as you understand that having a habit of selling some potential players that have been formed is much more profitable than focusing on the championship, and on the other hand I think that if Dortmund did not have a habit of selling the potential players they have then they would most likely be able to win consecutive trophies in the last few years by shifting Bayern Munich's position. Oh yes, I don't know yet whether Dortmund now has plans to sell its players again or not, but there is a possibility.
Borussia Dortmund has been doing this for years. They get the biggest criticism for this, but nothing changes. They see it as a business and think that selling players is more important than winning the championship. The criticism of football fans about Borussia Dortmund doesn't change the situation. They always sell their best players and try to find and train other players. They are actually very good at it.
Maybe this understanding will change and they will try to win the championship until the end and maintain their quality squad, but some clubs can't give up their habits easily.
Borussia Dortmund has been doing this for years. They get the biggest criticism for this, but nothing changes. They see it as a business and think that selling players is more important than winning the championship. The criticism of football fans about Borussia Dortmund doesn't change the situation. They always sell their best players and try to find and train other players. They are actually very good at it.
Maybe this understanding will change and they will try to win the championship until the end and maintain their quality squad, but some clubs can't give up their habits easily.
The criticism that comes to them does not change them, yes they do not care about it because they continue to try to do business from the sales of players that they do. For a big team like them, actually listening to criticism from outside is also necessary, because some of them are also criticisms that can build them to be better, but unfortunately they do not do that.Maybe this understanding will change and they will try to win the championship until the end and maintain their quality squad, but some clubs can't give up their habits easily.
Business in football cannot be separated, but they must realize that they also need achievements. They cannot be selfish as a team, they also have to see how thirsty their supporters are for a title. That is actually very possible for them to achieve as long as they are serious about pursuing it.
What they are doing is not longer a mistake, it is a deliberate attitude and I think it's the way they plan to be carrying out their operations. Assuming it was a mistake, they would have realized the mistake after selling off a few players and see how great they become especially the goal machine Haaland. After Haaland they have built and sold players that are extremely doing well too. Assuming they are interested to build a squad ready to win trophy, they would have been convincing these players to stay with them and achieve positive results together. The fact still remains that they prefer and Prioritize business over building the team for competition.
But maybe as you understand that having a habit of selling some potential players that have been formed is much more profitable than focusing on the championship, and on the other hand I think that if Dortmund did not have a habit of selling the potential players they have then they would most likely be able to win consecutive trophies in the last few years by shifting Bayern Munich's position. Oh yes, I don't know yet whether Dortmund now has plans to sell its players again or not, but there is a possibility.
Borussia Dortmund has been doing this for years. They get the biggest criticism for this, but nothing changes. They see it as a business and think that selling players is more important than winning the championship. The criticism of football fans about Borussia Dortmund doesn't change the situation. They always sell their best players and try to find and train other players. They are actually very good at it.
Maybe this understanding will change and they will try to win the championship until the end and maintain their quality squad, but some clubs can't give up their habits easily.
What they are doing is not longer a mistake, it is a deliberate attitude and I think it's the way they plan to be carrying out their operations. Assuming it was a mistake, they would have realized the mistake after selling off a few players and see how great they become especially the goal machine Haaland. After Haaland they have built and sold players that are extremely doing well too. Assuming they are interested to build a squad ready to win trophy, they would have been convincing these players to stay with them and achieve positive results together. The fact still remains that they prefer and Prioritize business over building the team for competition.
But maybe as you understand that having a habit of selling some potential players that have been formed is much more profitable than focusing on the championship, and on the other hand I think that if Dortmund did not have a habit of selling the potential players they have then they would most likely be able to win consecutive trophies in the last few years by shifting Bayern Munich's position. Oh yes, I don't know yet whether Dortmund now has plans to sell its players again or not, but there is a possibility.
Yes, Borussia Dortmund sees this as just a job. I think the championship is secondary to them. If it were me, I would prioritize the championship, but as many people criticize, Borussia Dortmund seems to be developing players for Bayern Munich. They should have won the Bundesliga at least once in recent years. They have really outstanding players. But instead of using these players for the championship, they prefer to market them.
This is actually true and no one knows for how long they’ll continue building good players and sell them out to Bayern Munich and other top teams in Europe. Haven’t they made enough money from those sales to start keeping their own players longer and fighting for them to win trophies? It is high time they get things together for themselves and fight to be one of the best in the Bumdesliga and Europe football. Despite all of this, they still have a very good squad that can help them win a trophy but always fail to at every given chance. Hopefully things change for them better soon.
Bayern Munich should pay special attention this year. Because last year they experienced a series of innovations against Bayer Leverkusen and could not achieve any success in the league, Europe and domestic cups. It was the first time in a long time that they ended a season without a trophy. That's why Kompany's job is harder this year. They have to win every trophy and every match. Only then can they make up for last year.
The thought of this only would make Kompany try harder to make things work out for him and the club in his first season. He should look for a way not to be bothered about the negative comments on him being the head coach of the team flying around as incapable, he should focus on building a strong and solid team that will not be easily defeated in the league and all competitions they will be participating in. I don’t have much hope on him neither do I lost hope in him of not being able to do anything for the club. He will definitely do great if he plans and execute his strategies well.
A new manager has taken charge of a big team so he needs some time to implement his strategy well though the season has not started yet and when the main phase matches start we will know what strategy he has adopted for the team and how well his strategy is working. When a new manager takes charge of Bayern Munich, everyone questions his ability to run the club and it is natural to do so because the current manager's ability to run the club is not much better than the one that Bayern Munich let go.
If the manager that Bayan Munich handed over the responsibility of their club can do something good for the club then the fans will certainly appreciate their decision but if the team under the current manager is doing worse then the fans will question the professionalism of the management.
That's why pre-season tour matches must be maximized well, especially for a new coach like Kompany because he must find an effective strategy to bring the team to victory. Indeed, quite a lot of people will be waiting for Kompany performance with Bayern munich because last season Die Roten's performance in the Bundesliga was so bad because they closed the season in 3rd place. If the manager that Bayan Munich handed over the responsibility of their club can do something good for the club then the fans will certainly appreciate their decision but if the team under the current manager is doing worse then the fans will question the professionalism of the management.
But in the match against tottenham where Kompany managed to lead bayern to win the match with a final score of 2-1. I also think that a coach must be able to show a positive pace in the first few matches of the season because that will increase the confidence of the players or the coach.
Dortmund is still in a transition stage after changing coaches some time ago and so far in several friendly matches played by Dortmund we have not seen any significant improvement, even in the 3 friendly matches they have played dortmund has only been able to achieve one win over the opposing team, against Villareal which incidentally is one of the big teams in La Liga, Nuri Sahin should prepare their game strategy better ahead of the match if they don't want to continue to be criticized by Dortmund fans at this time, facing Villareal is not an easy match for Dortmund even though the match is only friendly match because after all Villareal will of course also be aiming for victory in this match, to be honest, after seeing several friendly matches played by Dortmund currently, it seems to make me doubt that Nuri Sahin will be able to bring Dortmund better next season compared to Edin Terzic achievements last season.
This is just a friendly match, I think both clubs will not force their core players to play in the match later, the pre-season match is only for coaches to see the shortcomings of their respective teams in order to improve those shortcomings, and to mature the strategy for the real competition, but for Borussia Dortmund I think Nuri Sahin should be given more time, if you look at the development shown in the pre-season match he played, it is clearly less than satisfactory for the fans. If there is no development shown, it will be difficult for Dortmund to play in the Bundesliga next season.Besides, Nuri Sahin did not just become a coach, he was the manager of Antalyaspor before joining the Dortmund coaching team and is now the Dortmund coach. With the experience he has, I think he deserves support to restore Dortmund's glory. However, in his first season he will certainly have difficulty competing in the Bundesliga, especially since Leverkusen still looks as strong as last season, and Bayern Munich has changed coaches, of course if Nuri Sahin manages to finish in the top four, that would be an extraordinary achievement.
Yes, Borussia Dortmund sees this as just a job. I think the championship is secondary to them. If it were me, I would prioritize the championship, but as many people criticize, Borussia Dortmund seems to be developing players for Bayern Munich. They should have won the Bundesliga at least once in recent years. They have really outstanding players. But instead of using these players for the championship, they prefer to market them.
I dont agree on that , Dortmund dosnt only see that all as only Job and also the Championship is not a secondary goal for them.A few times in the last years they was just unlucky for getting the title and bayern Munich was to strong at this time.
If you developing players , and that should be always a option for a Club to making the players better at some stage bigger Clubs will be coming and you cant effort the salary of them.
Only for looking to get the title and dont watch the financial perspective of the whole Club you will be end up like Barca with restrictions or you will get Bankruptcy or insolvency.
I agree with this assumption but still, because we as ordinary people when we know Dortmund often sell their great players and always fail in the trophy competition, then it makes us as ordinary people will only think Dortmund is just doing business and getting profit. Because after all, the reality is that Dortmund also always managed to have great players from season to season but after that, Dortmund did not hesitate to release or sell because there were good offers with big money from other elite teams.
After all, if for example Dortmund really has plans and great efforts to get trophies, then of course Dortmund will be able to do it too. But indeed, about the misfortune experienced by Dortmund also often occurs when it has a very big chance to get the trophy. Thus, it seems that the bad luck factor is the main factor for Dortmund, which always fails in the Bundesliga title race.
Actually Leverkusen have a great season in Bundesliga by surprised people with the way they ahead of every team last season, Bayern Munich was try to compete with them but with the much effort of Leverkusen they keep lead the Bundesliga; In my own view about the next coming seasons champions league and the bundesliga i don’t the Leverkusen will find the those leagues difficult with how they end the last season with powerful performances.
So in this cases Leverkusen will remain in that powerful performances as far as all the players that make the Leverkusen remain unbeaten last season are still exist, I have big hope for them that they can repeat the same thing in next coming seasons by showing their great performances to dominate the Bundesliga again.
In last season, we have few good things for the Bayer Leverkusen first they were having good emerging coach Xabi Alonso and secondly Bayern Munich were suffering due to internal issues they have first title into their history with many records were also broken by them due to their quality performance and consistency but now as we are heading for the next season we are having things never been easy because we are going with strong challenge from the Bayern Munich and RB Leipzig and Borussia Dortmund are also preparing for the title race.So in this cases Leverkusen will remain in that powerful performances as far as all the players that make the Leverkusen remain unbeaten last season are still exist, I have big hope for them that they can repeat the same thing in next coming seasons by showing their great performances to dominate the Bundesliga again.
Few are having concerns about Bayern Munich but currently their performance is looking better, and they can give their best because now they are doing good job and this can take them back into business but still we are having Bayer Leverkusen as strong title then surely this is going to be interesting for the Bundesliga fans because things will be interesting for coming few years with this change.
Dortmund is still in a transition stage after changing coaches some time ago and so far in several friendly matches played by Dortmund we have not seen any significant improvement, even in the 3 friendly matches they have played dortmund has only been able to achieve one win over the opposing team, against Villareal which incidentally is one of the big teams in La Liga, Nuri Sahin should prepare their game strategy better ahead of the match if they don't want to continue to be criticized by Dortmund fans at this time, facing Villareal is not an easy match for Dortmund even though the match is only friendly match because after all Villareal will of course also be aiming for victory in this match, to be honest, after seeing several friendly matches played by Dortmund currently, it seems to make me doubt that Nuri Sahin will be able to bring Dortmund better next season compared to Edin Terzic achievements last season.
Betting on a friendly match is too risky, both teams are experimenting with lineups and do not pay much attention to the result in pre-season training. I think that Villarreal will not lose today, but in any case, I refrain from betting on friendly matches, because the result can be anything, and the last match with Nottingham, Villarreal played 0:0, that is, even this can happen, and to think that there may be many goals in the match to think about betting on the total, there are also risks. And Dortmund without Terzic can show a completely different game.
No doubt with Bayern Munich have many top qualities players but lack experienced of their manager Vincent Kompany could be big problem later how to make his team has the winning mentality exactly on crucial matches.
Actually Bayern Leverkusen as the defend winner have top qualities player too after defending all their key players and sign some top qualities players not big difference for both teams squad between Leverkusen and Bayern Munich.
In my opinion, Bayern Leverkusen still the most favorite team for winning Bundesliga trophy after success defending their important players last season and signing any top qualities players to make balance with team composition between regular and not regular players. Currently Bayern Munich performance not get consistent yet on several pre season matches, they have few weeks left before first match on DFB Pokal first round and facing Wolfsburg on the first Bundesliga match on August 25.
Bayern Munich is one of the strongest pillar of the Bundesliga in every season we are having them as one of the favourite team for the title even they are having serious decline into performance they are ended on their lowest level in last season but still things are looking interesting because they are having strong squad even coach is inexperienced but still they can give surprise with their performance and quality.Actually Bayern Leverkusen as the defend winner have top qualities player too after defending all their key players and sign some top qualities players not big difference for both teams squad between Leverkusen and Bayern Munich.
In my opinion, Bayern Leverkusen still the most favorite team for winning Bundesliga trophy after success defending their important players last season and signing any top qualities players to make balance with team composition between regular and not regular players. Currently Bayern Munich performance not get consistent yet on several pre season matches, they have few weeks left before first match on DFB Pokal first round and facing Wolfsburg on the first Bundesliga match on August 25.
Defending champions are having good chance of keeping things at the same level where they ended in last season but as we all know soccer is having always changes due to many factors, so things can take change here as well even still Bayer Leverkusen is one of the best team due to their quality and consistency, but few other clubs are also having good improvement as they are looking for the strongest challengers and want to take win.
Yes, Borussia Dortmund sees this as just a job. I think the championship is secondary to them. If it were me, I would prioritize the championship, but as many people criticize, Borussia Dortmund seems to be developing players for Bayern Munich. They should have won the Bundesliga at least once in recent years. They have really outstanding players. But instead of using these players for the championship, they prefer to market them.
I dont agree on that , Dortmund dosnt only see that all as only Job and also the Championship is not a secondary goal for them.A few times in the last years they was just unlucky for getting the title and bayern Munich was to strong at this time.
If you developing players , and that should be always a option for a Club to making the players better at some stage bigger Clubs will be coming and you cant effort the salary of them.
Only for looking to get the title and dont watch the financial perspective of the whole Club you will be end up like Barca with restrictions or you will get Bankruptcy or insolvency.
Although Dortmund is always considered as a player selling team, but I think they are still trying to be a champion contender all this time, yes maybe they didn't succeed in winning the championship trophy but at least it will increase the market value of their players so far, I think there is no big team that doesn't want to win the championship trophy In the end, however, we also cannot deny that without selling players it will only make the several team not run well, because they do not have strong finances compared to other teams.
Dortmund terrible squad with their former star players:
Yes, Borussia Dortmund sees this as just a job. I think the championship is secondary to them. If it were me, I would prioritize the championship, but as many people criticize, Borussia Dortmund seems to be developing players for Bayern Munich. They should have won the Bundesliga at least once in recent years. They have really outstanding players. But instead of using these players for the championship, they prefer to market them.
I dont agree on that , Dortmund dosnt only see that all as only Job and also the Championship is not a secondary goal for them.A few times in the last years they was just unlucky for getting the title and bayern Munich was to strong at this time.
If you developing players , and that should be always a option for a Club to making the players better at some stage bigger Clubs will be coming and you cant effort the salary of them.
Only for looking to get the title and dont watch the financial perspective of the whole Club you will be end up like Barca with restrictions or you will get Bankruptcy or insolvency.
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