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2 Germany giants were defeated by 2 Spanish giants, well that's the big title today that I heard everywhere. And indeed the quality of Bayern Munich now cannot surpass the strength of Barcelona in the hands of Hansi Flick. Hopefully this defeat will not make Bayern Munich weak in the Bundesliga. There is still a chance to improve and Kompany does not need to be discouraged. Bayern Munich in the past made Barcelona submit and now it has been repaid in a painful way too.
2 big Bundesliga teams couldn't do much when facing 1 big La Liga team, yes they had to swallow defeat with a big score, Borussia Dortmund lost 5-2 to Real Madrid and Bayern Munich lost 4-2 to Barcelona. Actually there was no problem with the defeat, because previously this match opened up opportunities for each team to win the match. But what surprised me was when I saw the results of this match. Borussia Dortmund had to swallow their first defeat and Bayern Munich had to taste defeat in the Champions League this season. Clearly this is not a good result in the Champions League, now they have to fight harder if they want to be in the last 16, or at least be in the play-off round.

Bayern Munich have already lost to Aston Villa in their last UCL in the last game. Yesterday's game against Barcelona was the second time they have lost in the competition, and they are now in the 23rd position in the league. It was a disappointing game, but in sports, things like this happen sometimes. They played against the best team in La Liga, which capitalized on their defensive error to teach them a lesson. They now have to keep fighting to win more games from now on.

Borussia Dortmund's case was painful because they were two goals up in the first half and could have held the lead for the next forty-five minutes. But they couldn't withstand the attacking arsenal of Real Madrid, a team where all players can score. Antonio Rudiger started the scoring and the goals kept coming until they got five. It was indeed a bad day for the big teams in the Bundesliga, while La Liga will always remember this day of total demolition.
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I agree with you. Both are great strikers and are still productive even though they are in their 30s. Both have great finishing ability and I don't think we need to compare them. Lewi played in Munich's glory days and managed to dominate the Bundesliga. Kane is unlucky because currently Munich does not only have Dortmund as their rival. RB Leipzig and Leverkusen are also solid and even Munich and Kane failed to win a trophy last season. Maybe the only difference between the two is that Lewandowski has a trophy with Munich. I hope Kane will be dominant this season and can get the first trophy in his career.

If care is not taken Bayern Munich will not win the Bundesliga league title this season again because what I saw yesterday against Barcelona is not Bayern Munich that is playing, very poor performance from Bayern Munich players and also the coach, Barcelona players are afraid since the game has not to start and when Barcelona score one goal they have more confident to play well against Bayern Munich if anyone to be blamed for Bayern Munich lose yesterday it should be Bayern Munich coach because for me he doesn't start the game with player's that suppose to start the match.

This week is not funny for Bundesliga teams because Humilate Dortmund scored a back goal and defeated Dortmund with 5 goals and again Bayern Munich is also being defeated by Barcelona Bayern Munich has been defeating any time they meet, Bayern Munich has been beating Barcelona for years now and Barcelona's confidence not scared of them again because Barcelona is Ready for Bayern Munich any time after they defeated Bayern Munich, and again it looks like Spain team is very good than any team this season.
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Its very sad that Pavlovic got again injured as he was on a good coming back and getting back to his performance.
How he got injured was just unlucky and hopefully he will be recover soon and can come back even stronger then.
Vicente Kompany has enough players for his position so i guess there will be no problem.
Bayern has many injured players at the moment, Jamal Musiala, Sacha Boey, Tarek Buchmann, Hiroki Ito, Josip Stanisic, and the last one, Aleksandar Pavlovic. all those injured are core players which is the mainstay Kompany on Bundesliga and Champion League. I think what Kompany needs to be done immediately is looking for a suitable replacement for them. I don't know if it just replacement or he must also change the formation. Because when I look how they won vs Stuttgart and Lost vs Barcelona last night, Kompany used the same formation which I think can not be effective again with Bayern's situation.

For every opponent a team is facing, you can’t always use one strategy and expect them to give you the same result always. When you win over a team then the next opponent must have studies your strategy and would not want a repetition of what happened with the former on them, so they’ll play smarter than you think. Your strategy may still be okay but you have to think outside the box if you want to achieve more success in all games while using same strategy. Bayern Munich are just playing what the coach is directing them to do on the field and as a big team that they are, their opponents will always be looking for ways to understand their strategy and try to look for a means to prevail against them using that strategy. Kompany should be learning from all this and despite the loss and disappointments from then, I still see them as one of the potential teams in the Bundesliga race and also a team that will go far in the champions league also.
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Bayern Munich has suffered 2 defeats in the Champions League in the 3 matches they have played, the last time they suffered a crushing defeat against Barcelona, ​​even conceding in the early minutes of the match, precisely in just 1 minute Barcelona had broken into Bayern's goal, isn't that very surprising? even I think when everyone was not ready to watch the match but Barca had surprised with that quick goal. Although Bayern Munich were able to equalize in the 18th minute through a goal scored by Harry Kane but Barcelona replied with a 2nd goal in the 36th minute created by Lewandowski and only 9 minutes later Raphael created the 3rd goal and finally in the first half Barcelona was 3 goals ahead and in the second half Barcelona really did not give Bayern Munich a gap in this match and Bayern had to swallow that defeat.


It is indeed very painful for Bayern Munich, they experienced consecutive defeats in the Champions League, but the most painful was losing to Aston Villa. If they lose to Barcelona, ​​​​it might be understandable because Hansi Flick doesn't really understand the ins and outs of Bayern Munich so he easily defeated Bayern Munich coached by Kompany who we know has no experience in the Champions League competition.

But whatever it is, Kompany must learn from the two defeats to be able to develop further, especially in defense, they play aggressively but when the opponent makes a quick counterattack they are overwhelmed, we can see this when playing against Barcelona.

Now it's time for Bayern Munich to focus again on the Bundesliga, don't suffer too long after experiencing consecutive defeats in the Champions League. The Bundesliga will be Kompany's main target at this time, their next match will be against Bochum. Statistically and in terms of squad, Bayern Munich will be favored in this match, in my opinion Bayern Munich must be able to achieve a big win in this match so that their confidence will rise again.
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Bayern has many injured players at the moment, Jamal Musiala, Sacha Boey, Tarek Buchmann, Hiroki Ito, Josip Stanisic, and the last one, Aleksandar Pavlovic. all those injured are core players which is the mainstay Kompany on Bundesliga and Champion League. I think what Kompany needs to be done immediately is looking for a suitable replacement for them. I don't know if it just replacement or he must also change the formation. Because when I look how they won vs Stuttgart and Lost vs Barcelona last night, Kompany used the same formation which I think can not be effective again with Bayern's situation.
I guess that Kompany has a plan and enough good players to maybe get around a few problems that all the injured players Munich have right now.
You really cant compare Stuttgart and Barcelona as they are very different Teams and about the game yesterday Barcelona was clearly better.
Bayern Munich should be get over that lose and try to focus on the next game against Bochum and for sure try to win that one.
Yes I agree Bayern Munich's squad depth if only following the Bundesliga competition is still very reliable despite some of its important pillars being injured especially the next match against Bochum which we know they are currently at the bottom of the standings and have not felt a single victory, I can say Kompany's troops will very easily pocket 3 points in this match. On the other hand, the defeat to Barcelona in the UCL showed Munich's defense was slow in closing the area, the midfielders and defenders were not tight enough I saw only Kimmich performing well. However, Kompany still has the opportunity to develop in the competition.
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Bayern has many injured players at the moment, Jamal Musiala, Sacha Boey, Tarek Buchmann, Hiroki Ito, Josip Stanisic, and the last one, Aleksandar Pavlovic. all those injured are core players which is the mainstay Kompany on Bundesliga and Champion League. I think what Kompany needs to be done immediately is looking for a suitable replacement for them. I don't know if it just replacement or he must also change the formation. Because when I look how they won vs Stuttgart and Lost vs Barcelona last night, Kompany used the same formation which I think can not be effective again with Bayern's situation.
I guess that Kompany has a plan and enough good players to maybe get around a few problems that all the injured players Munich have right now.
You really cant compare Stuttgart and Barcelona as they are very different Teams and about the game yesterday Barcelona was clearly better.
Bayern Munich should be get over that lose and try to focus on the next game against Bochum and for sure try to win that one.
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2 Germany giants were defeated by 2 Spanish giants, well that's the big title today that I heard everywhere. And indeed the quality of Bayern Munich now cannot surpass the strength of Barcelona in the hands of Hansi Flick. Hopefully this defeat will not make Bayern Munich weak in the Bundesliga. There is still a chance to improve and Kompany does not need to be discouraged. Bayern Munich in the past made Barcelona submit and now it has been repaid in a painful way too.
2 big Bundesliga teams couldn't do much when facing 1 big La Liga team, yes they had to swallow defeat with a big score, Borussia Dortmund lost 5-2 to Real Madrid and Bayern Munich lost 4-2 to Barcelona. Actually there was no problem with the defeat, because previously this match opened up opportunities for each team to win the match. But what surprised me was when I saw the results of this match. Borussia Dortmund had to swallow their first defeat and Bayern Munich had to taste defeat in the Champions League this season. Clearly this is not a good result in the Champions League, now they have to fight harder if they want to be in the last 16, or at least be in the play-off round.

The truth is beyond dispute, Bundesliga clubs cannot compare in strength with La Liga teams.
La Liga is always the top league and brings together young stars plus genius coaches. As for the Bundesliga, it's just what I call a 'seed nursery'. They could not keep their mainstays in the team to stabilize the team. In short, this result is not too surprising. Dortmund is too weak to face the giant Real Madrid. And the young coach Vincent Kompany cannot face the experienced coach Hansi Flick.
To be honest, in this case I don't agree with your view, Dortmund and Munich defeats from Madrid and Barcelona cannot be our reference to compare La Liga with the current Bundesliga, because then of course we must to say if previously the Bundesliga is better than La Liga when Munich managed to dominate the victory over Barcelona?
Currently the performance of the two Bundesliga teams is indeed in a bad condition, besides that the lack of strategy from young coaches such as Nuri Sahin and also Kompany is one of the factors that I think is the cause of the defeat, but I think  each league and team has its own uniqueness and strength, so we can't underestimate or compare them with other team or league now, although currently maybe Munich and Dortmund lose to the La Liga team but their journey in the UCL is still very long,so they have a chance to avenge the defeat na
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2 Germany giants were defeated by 2 Spanish giants, well that's the big title today that I heard everywhere. And indeed the quality of Bayern Munich now cannot surpass the strength of Barcelona in the hands of Hansi Flick. Hopefully this defeat will not make Bayern Munich weak in the Bundesliga. There is still a chance to improve and Kompany does not need to be discouraged. Bayern Munich in the past made Barcelona submit and now it has been repaid in a painful way too.
2 big Bundesliga teams couldn't do much when facing 1 big La Liga team, yes they had to swallow defeat with a big score, Borussia Dortmund lost 5-2 to Real Madrid and Bayern Munich lost 4-2 to Barcelona. Actually there was no problem with the defeat, because previously this match opened up opportunities for each team to win the match. But what surprised me was when I saw the results of this match. Borussia Dortmund had to swallow their first defeat and Bayern Munich had to taste defeat in the Champions League this season. Clearly this is not a good result in the Champions League, now they have to fight harder if they want to be in the last 16, or at least be in the play-off round.

The truth is beyond dispute, Bundesliga clubs cannot compare in strength with La Liga teams.
La Liga is always the top league and brings together young stars plus genius coaches. As for the Bundesliga, it's just what I call a 'seed nursery'. They could not keep their mainstays in the team to stabilize the team. In short, this result is not too surprising. Dortmund is too weak to face the giant Real Madrid. And the young coach Vincent Kompany cannot face the experienced coach Hansi Flick.
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2 Germany giants were defeated by 2 Spanish giants, well that's the big title today that I heard everywhere. And indeed the quality of Bayern Munich now cannot surpass the strength of Barcelona in the hands of Hansi Flick. Hopefully this defeat will not make Bayern Munich weak in the Bundesliga. There is still a chance to improve and Kompany does not need to be discouraged. Bayern Munich in the past made Barcelona submit and now it has been repaid in a painful way too.
2 big Bundesliga teams couldn't do much when facing 1 big La Liga team, yes they had to swallow defeat with a big score, Borussia Dortmund lost 5-2 to Real Madrid and Bayern Munich lost 4-2 to Barcelona. Actually there was no problem with the defeat, because previously this match opened up opportunities for each team to win the match. But what surprised me was when I saw the results of this match. Borussia Dortmund had to swallow their first defeat and Bayern Munich had to taste defeat in the Champions League this season. Clearly this is not a good result in the Champions League, now they have to fight harder if they want to be in the last 16, or at least be in the play-off round.
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Bayern Munich has suffered 2 defeats in the Champions League in the 3 matches they have played, the last time they suffered a crushing defeat against Barcelona, ​​even conceding in the early minutes of the match, precisely in just 1 minute Barcelona had broken into Bayern's goal, isn't that very surprising? even I think when everyone was not ready to watch the match but Barca had surprised with that quick goal. Although Bayern Munich were able to equalize in the 18th minute through a goal scored by Harry Kane but Barcelona replied with a 2nd goal in the 36th minute created by Lewandowski and only 9 minutes later Raphael created the 3rd goal and finally in the first half Barcelona was 3 goals ahead and in the second half Barcelona really did not give Bayern Munich a gap in this match and Bayern had to swallow that defeat.


2 Germany giants were defeated by 2 Spanish giants, well that's the big title today that I heard everywhere. And indeed the quality of Bayern Munich now cannot surpass the strength of Barcelona in the hands of Hansi Flick. Hopefully this defeat will not make Bayern Munich weak in the Bundesliga. There is still a chance to improve and Kompany does not need to be discouraged. Bayern Munich in the past made Barcelona submit and now it has been repaid in a painful way too.
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I agree with you. Both are great strikers and are still productive even though they are in their 30s. Both have great finishing ability and I don't think we need to compare them. Lewi played in Munich's glory days and managed to dominate the Bundesliga. Kane is unlucky because currently Munich does not only have Dortmund as their rival. RB Leipzig and Leverkusen are also solid and even Munich and Kane failed to win a trophy last season. Maybe the only difference between the two is that Lewandowski has a trophy with Munich. I hope Kane will be dominant this season and can get the first trophy in his career.

I also hope the curse of H. Kane can end this season. Bayern Munich has performed quite well in the domestic league, and they are currently topping the Bundesliga. There is a shadow of Leipzig but who both have collected 17 points, Munich is still ahead on goal difference. But I want to believe they stand a very good chance to finish as champions because that shows even if the competition is getting tighter, in a game like this, the winner takes almost everything.

If Kane remains consistent and the team keeps performing as they are now, there's every chance that this could be a different season for Kane. Perhaps the Bundesliga title, that could be the first trophy he has always dreamed of. Because with the quality in the squad at Bayern and their performance up until now, it seems likely that Munich can end the season as champions, and Kane can at last break that curse regarding trophies in his career.
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The only thing I see right now is that there are similarities between last season when Munich was with Tuchel and this season with Kompany. The similarities occur in the very bad defense line, Munich looks to have difficulty when Barcelona makes deadly attacks very quickly but Munich defense looks less confident. Only the defense has been a big problem for Munich since last season and I thought Kompany could overcome it but it turns out that there has been no improvement in this UCL performance.

About the defensive struggles I have to respectfully disagree. Sure yesterday it didn't look good obviously but they only other game this season so far they showed a weak defense was in the Bundesliga at Frankfurt. Ever other game they conceded 1 or 0 goals (except the 9:2 blowout vs Zagreb, but when you score 9 I think letting 2 goals happen is fine, and the 3:2 in Wolfsburg).

I actually thought the game in Barcelona would be a fair fight and maybe a high scoring draw, but man was I wrong. They really looked unprepared somehow. But anyway, 3 UCL games into the season there is nothing to panic about yet, with the new mode there are still enough games left to play.
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IMO it seems like the club management's decision to recruit Kompany was not to compete in the UCL. We know Kompany was not the first coach offered a contract when Tuchel was fired. After several coaches rejected Munich's offer, they finally chose Kompany. Of course Kompany is not an experienced coach with a big team. It seems like the club management gave Kompany a target to win the Bundesliga and not to compete in the UCL. But of course fans will be very disappointed if they fail to finish in the top 8 in the UCL standings.
This defeat is very painful for the Bundesliga because in another match Dortmund also lost 2-5 to Real Madrid. It seems like they are having a hard time competing with teams from La Liga.
I doubt that Kompany only has the task of winning the Bundesliga, for Bayern the Champions League has always been as important as the Bundesliga, or maybe even more important, because winning the Bundesliga has never been a problem for them, and they could fully concentrate on the Champions League. In recent years, everything has changed, the Bundesliga is gradually becoming more competitive, and it is difficult for Bayern to dominate here, plus Bayern are going through changes now, when they could not decide on a coach, I hope Kompany can cope with this situation.
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Bayern Munich has suffered 2 defeats in the Champions League in the 3 matches they have played, the last time they suffered a crushing defeat against Barcelona, ​​even conceding in the early minutes of the match, precisely in just 1 minute Barcelona had broken into Bayern's goal, isn't that very surprising? even I think when everyone was not ready to watch the match but Barca had surprised with that quick goal. Although Bayern Munich were able to equalize in the 18th minute through a goal scored by Harry Kane but Barcelona replied with a 2nd goal in the 36th minute created by Lewandowski and only 9 minutes later Raphael created the 3rd goal and finally in the first half Barcelona was 3 goals ahead and in the second half Barcelona really did not give Bayern Munich a gap in this match and Bayern had to swallow that defeat.


The only thing I see right now is that there are similarities between last season when Munich was with Tuchel and this season with Kompany. The similarities occur in the very bad defense line, Munich looks to have difficulty when Barcelona makes deadly attacks very quickly but Munich defense looks less confident. Only the defense has been a big problem for Munich since last season and I thought Kompany could overcome it but it turns out that there has been no improvement in this UCL performance.
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And in my opinion Kompany does not deserve to be in a big team like Munich he lacks experience and so on in his strategy is also not effective in the Champions they can only be in the Bundesliga but I put too high hopes on Kompany but now after this big match I think he is still very lacking on the coach's bench.
IMO it seems like the club management's decision to recruit Kompany was not to compete in the UCL. We know Kompany was not the first coach offered a contract when Tuchel was fired. After several coaches rejected Munich's offer, they finally chose Kompany. Of course Kompany is not an experienced coach with a big team. It seems like the club management gave Kompany a target to win the Bundesliga and not to compete in the UCL. But of course fans will be very disappointed if they fail to finish in the top 8 in the UCL standings.
This defeat is very painful for the Bundesliga because in another match Dortmund also lost 2-5 to Real Madrid. It seems like they are having a hard time competing with teams from La Liga.
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Bayern Munich has suffered 2 defeats in the Champions League in the 3 matches they have played, the last time they suffered a crushing defeat against Barcelona, ​​even conceding in the early minutes of the match, precisely in just 1 minute Barcelona had broken into Bayern's goal, isn't that very surprising? even I think when everyone was not ready to watch the match but Barca had surprised with that quick goal. Although Bayern Munich were able to equalize in the 18th minute through a goal scored by Harry Kane but Barcelona replied with a 2nd goal in the 36th minute created by Lewandowski and only 9 minutes later Raphael created the 3rd goal and finally in the first half Barcelona was 3 goals ahead and in the second half Barcelona really did not give Bayern Munich a gap in this match and Bayern had to swallow that defeat.


I think it's all about the mentality built by Kompany who failed to make the Bayern Munich players' mentality better and be able to show their best performance in the Champion League match.
Bayern Munich's defeat against Barcelona was quite surprising because in the last few matches Bayern Munich could win easily but it's different this season and even though Barcelona's performance this season has improved a lot but there are also many problems in the Bayern Munich team so they have to experience this embarrassing defeat.
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Bayern Munich has suffered 2 defeats in the Champions League in the 3 matches they have played, the last time they suffered a crushing defeat against Barcelona, ​​even conceding in the early minutes of the match, precisely in just 1 minute Barcelona had broken into Bayern's goal, isn't that very surprising? even I think when everyone was not ready to watch the match but Barca had surprised with that quick goal. Although Bayern Munich were able to equalize in the 18th minute through a goal scored by Harry Kane but Barcelona replied with a 2nd goal in the 36th minute created by Lewandowski and only 9 minutes later Raphael created the 3rd goal and finally in the first half Barcelona was 3 goals ahead and in the second half Barcelona really did not give Bayern Munich a gap in this match and Bayern had to swallow that defeat.


Munich had to admit Barcelona's superiority because Hansi Flick's team played more effectively and was able to take advantage of every opportunity. They are very ambitious to achieve victory after losing to Aston Villa in the previous match, but this time the opponent they are facing is at the peak of its performance and the sharpness of its attack line is also very difficult to stop. Kompany must learn from this defeat so that they can be a team that is better prepared to face challenges from other big teams. Now they have to focus on the away match at Vfl Bochum's headquarters, they must immediately recover from the defeat to maintain their position safe because RB Leipzig who are in second place have also collected the same points as them.
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Bayern Munich has suffered 2 defeats in the Champions League in the 3 matches they have played, the last time they suffered a crushing defeat against Barcelona, ​​even conceding in the early minutes of the match, precisely in just 1 minute Barcelona had broken into Bayern's goal, isn't that very surprising? even I think when everyone was not ready to watch the match but Barca had surprised with that quick goal. Although Bayern Munich were able to equalize in the 18th minute through a goal scored by Harry Kane but Barcelona replied with a 2nd goal in the 36th minute created by Lewandowski and only 9 minutes later Raphael created the 3rd goal and finally in the first half Barcelona was 3 goals ahead and in the second half Barcelona really did not give Bayern Munich a gap in this match and Bayern had to swallow that defeat.


Barcelona is indeed quite superior to Munich and now I compare how Kompany and Flick, Kompany is clearly not good and is still immature in the strategy he is running is not effective so they are not controlled and Barcelona shakes their defense easily, clearly here Munich is not good in their defense in the last 3 matches they conceded 7 goals that is a ridiculous defense in my opinion.

And in my opinion Kompany does not deserve to be in a big team like Munich he lacks experience and so on in his strategy is also not effective in the Champions they can only be in the Bundesliga but I put too high hopes on Kompany but now after this big match I think he is still very lacking on the coach's bench.
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We can't blame Dortmund for this result at all. Real Madrid is known for great comebacks and even when they do not have a good performance at the start of the game they will play in a different way in the second half just like what you saw against Dortmund from Real Madrid.
Dortmund had a perfect start and they could even beat Real Madrid. But you should understand playing against Real Madrid is not the same as the other teams and that's why I still think Dortmund was having a good performance.
The only mistake was from their coach Nuri Şahin when he used Waldemar Anton instead of Bynoe-Gittens.



This is the hallmark of Real Madrid, they have comeback that cannot be imitated and are always watched out for by all team facing them because even though they were behind by few goal in the first half, Real Madrid could still turn things around in the second half and incidents like this happen quite often.
This is Ancelotti greatness in leading his players, he was not in hurry to optimize the players game in the first half but rather defended with several small attacks by observing the opponent game and seeing how the gaps and opportunities could be obtained so that after that the second half was time to attack the opponent as much as possible.
Several big team must always get worried when meeting Real Madrid, even several big Bundesliga team have also felt the greatness of the squad led by Ancelotti several times.
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Bayern Munich has suffered 2 defeats in the Champions League in the 3 matches they have played, the last time they suffered a crushing defeat against Barcelona, ​​even conceding in the early minutes of the match, precisely in just 1 minute Barcelona had broken into Bayern's goal, isn't that very surprising? even I think when everyone was not ready to watch the match but Barca had surprised with that quick goal. Although Bayern Munich were able to equalize in the 18th minute through a goal scored by Harry Kane but Barcelona replied with a 2nd goal in the 36th minute created by Lewandowski and only 9 minutes later Raphael created the 3rd goal and finally in the first half Barcelona was 3 goals ahead and in the second half Barcelona really did not give Bayern Munich a gap in this match and Bayern had to swallow that defeat.

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