Topic: Giveaway threads are not allowed - page 31. (Read 1069696 times)

Some giveaways are scams. Promises 1000 coins for so many tasks then sends 0.01 coins lol.

Well dang, I was going to deny it but no point. Yes I detected your race through the internet and that's why I closed your giveaway thread.  You are a special and unique snowflake, completely separate and different from the other hundreds of giveaway threads that have been closed.

THIS FORUM IS A .ORG?? ANTI DISCRIMINATION RULES ARE APPLICABLE HERE AND CAN LEAD TO LOSS OF ORGANIZATION STATUS.

The domain name org is a generic top-level domain (gTLD) of the Domain Name System (DNS) used in the Internet. The name is truncated from organization. It was one of the original domains established in 1985 and operated by the Public Interest Registry since 1988. The domain extension was originally created for non-profits, but this designation no longer exists and today it is commonly used by schools, open-source projects, and communities as well as by for-profit entities. The number of registered .org domains has increased from fewer than one million in the 1990s, to ten million as of June, 2012.

Done. Message me if you still need it unlocked.

Giveaway should be allowed, oh man..

I'm afraid the admins at this forum are so protective of their Bitcoin SHA-256 wealth that they are oblivious to/ignoring the real-world implications of Bitcoin SHA-256's MIT/X11 Open Source License.

Satoshi Nakamoto released Bitcoin SHA-256 under the MIT/X11 Open Source license for the specific purpose of allowing the creation of other versions of Bitcoin (aka Alt-coins).  Yet, the know-it-all forum admins here constantly threaten to ban users and remove discussion of alt-coins not deemed the one official "Bitcoin."

Here's a newsflash:  Bitcoin SHA-256 is not the official Bitcoin.   There is no official Bitcoin after Satoshi stopped working on the client (0.3.19) AND the blockchain forked.  Indeed, under the MIT/X11 Open Source License it is logically impossible for there to be ONE official Bitcoin after the original author's source-code was modified without the origin author and the blockchain forked after such modification.  At that point, Bitcoin SHA-256 technically became an alt-coin called Bitcoin also operating under the MIT/X11 license.  Bitcoin is a protocol.  Bitcoin SHA256 is a crypto-currency.  Re-read this if it doesn't make sense.

Stated differently, it's like creating a Linux forum when Linux came out, calling it a Linux forum, having people donate to the Linux forum, then limiting discussion to RedHat Linux because any other open-source distro is simply an Alt-OS and not the official Linux and is causing too much clutter.  Pretty self-serving and contradictory to the spirit of Open source.

It's your site and you can do what you like, but it is a grave threat to the whole Open-source ecosystem when certain actors have the power to deem one version of an open-source source-code as official and deem others to be unofficial so as to undermine those alternate versions of the open-source source-code.

Again, this is your site, but instead of ignoring the spirit of the MIT/X11 Open Source license, you should change your name from "Bitcoin Forum" to "An Alt-coin named Bitcoin Forum."

However, considering that this forum derives it power from continuing the legal fiction that Bitcoin SHA-256 is the only official Bitcoin I doubt we'll see a name or policy change.

If you disagree that the forum operators are going against the spirit (if not the letter) of the MIT/X11 Open Source License, I look forward to your response.

It is pretty obvious the mods are overwhelmed with all the posts here in the altcoin section, but if you have 5 mods or something that have to mod 5000 people that is obviously not going to work.

so they basically have 3 options.

1 = more mods, so there can be more effective moderation, dealing with the ever growing number of posters and post.
2 = try to limit the number of posts by banning certain posts.
3 = create an unmoderated forum section , called wasteland or something, where folks can spam all they like and focus moderating on the other forums.

Looks to me the handfull of mods here have lost control, because the forum just became too busy and now they are hitting the emergency breaks, even considering banning alt-coins all together, well. It is their site and they can do with it whatever they like of course, we are just guests, but right now this forum is the epi-center of the entire cryptocurrency world and I'm pretty sure if they get rid of alt-coins it wont stay this way and this forum will just became one of many little places where folks talk about bitcoin. So basically they will just remove themselves from the market. It is like if a big retailer would say, it is just getting too busy in our shop, we cant handle all the customers, we dont have enough staff, from now on we just going to sell one brand , so it is not as crowed in our store anymore.  

People don't seem to understand. Essentially we are saying, we don't want your coin spam here. Take it to your own forums, Bitcointalk doesn't cater to thousands of threads about *insert coin*. We aren't motivated to keep the conversation here, so a vote wont do anything, we are trying to get you to take your conversations elsewhere.

People that are saying, FIX IT OR WE WILL LEAVE! thats kind of our intentions. Obviously we don't want people to leave the bitcoin discussion here, but we do want you to take the majority of your altcoin discussion elsewhere. This is Bitcointalk, it can't handle the alt coin discussion volume for 600 different coins, so we are asking that you take it to your own forums.

KeyserSozeMC, we are trying to get people to do exactly what you are doing. Creating your own forums for giveaways like you are doing, I actually really appreciate it.

The main point here that is irritating that people are ignoring, if we don't cut down the post spam, IE hundreds of thousands of posts of people just pasting their addresses, we will lose the entire section. I for one would like to keep the Alt Currency section, however people seem to be ignoring the fact that creating a giveaway subforum wont help. We want the excess spam off of Bitcointalk, not just jammed in a different corner.

I follow you, but what people don't seem to understand, is that Bitcointalk encourages people to go to their own forums, we outright say that this is not the place for your to post every detail about your coin. In the most blunt possible way of saying it, is we want people to go away to their own forums.

This is primarily a Bitcoin forum, that much we are on agreement with. The Alt Currency section was made to be a place to isolate the maybe 100 alt currency threads that there were at the time of creation of the board. It was not designed to handle this much volume, nor did we plan for it, or want it to happen. Everytime someone posts, it adds that post about some Alt Coin that 99.5% of the forums aren't interested in to the recently posted lists etc, so people that are looking for new information about something Bitcoin related on that list are getting drowned out by *insert day old coin name*

Having a giveaway subforum does not help. We don't want to reorganize giveaway threads, we want them to be hosted on forums dedicated to other coins. Its not our job to handle masses and masses of Alt coin information, if someone wants to know more about their own coin, they should go to their own coin's forum. Theres nothing wrong with an announcement thread and a bit of discussion, however with the 600+ Alt coins (that I know of) there really isn't room here, and there is no desire to accomodate it.

If we want to keep the alt coin section at all, we have to make some changes, and we are hoping that removing the giveaway threads will help. We have measures in place to keep the amount of post spam to a minimum, but there are thousands of posts in Alt coin giveaway threads over very short periods of time. Alt Coin giveaway threads are actually the exception, because we wouldn't allow Bitcoin giveaway threads like these anywhere else on the forum. Even the ones in games and rounds pale in comparison.

Thats the next plan if this doesn't help.


Could be as soon as today if I can't get things straightened up.

You would be surprised by how many reports the Alt Currency section generates per day, far more than the rest of the entire forum combined. I'd say about 200-300 on a non busy day, but I've seen 1,000+ on heavy traffic days. At 30 seconds to finish an action on reports that dont involve reading a page of context to decide a report's validity, you are looking at a minimum of an hour and a half worth of Alt Coin reports to deal with, thats like on a Sunday when there isn't much traffic. 3-4 hours isn't uncommon, and when dogecoin was first released it was far more than that. Its not laziness, its trying to remove spam, not content in general. Having an Alt Coin Giveaway subforum doesn't fix the problem, it just shifts the spam to another subforum. The fact of the matter is that there is just too much content to be held on the Bitcoins forums. The intent was not to host alt coin conversation here; like I keep saying, it was to help direct people to their own forums.

It's ignorance of forum managers. I m only not happy someone bringing rules over other alt coin forums for his very own decision without asking at all others in the forum. My democracy understanding is such. One should at least discuss it opening a poll for it and majority of group decide on it. Of cource one can use other forums and others can have different rules. But limiting freedoms is not ok it can be done still in politer ways undertanding and accepting minority of group who willing to make altcoin giveaways and they can have small eco system within a thread or subforum. SO that real democracy comes to life. Otherwise forum managers dictators and we are small or big slaves... Bitcoin which bringed to life for freedom from gasgters and robbers should not have such minded forum managers.

It's ignorance of forum managers. I m only not happy someone bringing rules over other alt coin forums for his very own decision without asking at all others in the forum. My democracy understanding is such. One should at least discuss it opening a poll for it and majority of group decide on it. Of cource one can use other forums and others can have different rules. But limiting freedoms is not ok it can be done still in politer ways undertanding and accepting minority of group who willing to make altcoin giveaways and they can have small eco system within a thread or subforum. SO that real democracy comes to life. Otherwise forum managers dictators and we are small or big slaves... Bitcoin which bringed to life for freedom from gasgters and robbers should not have such minded forum managers.

A democracy? What are you talking about? What gives you the right to tell the owner what they can and can not do with their forum software/database or domain name? Giving your opinion on something is one thing, but to feel a sense of entitlement on what a private individual/organisation does with their own property is preposterous.

I'm not trying to be mean , i'm just saying. I see it time and time again on forums, and it does get to me. State your opinion, if they make terrible decision after terrible decision and you do not like it then find another service, there are plenty out there. It can only be a bad thing for themselves (in terms of popularity, although that is not always a bad thing in itself) if companies/owners do not listen to what the majority of the people want. People will end up leaving/stop buying the products and go to their competitors, and that's captalism 101, lol.

please start a seperate thread for giveaways!

A democracy? What are you talking about? What gives you the right to tell the owner what they can and can not do with their forum software/database or domain name? Giving your opinion on something is one thing, but to feel a sense of entitlement on what a private individual/organisation does with their own property is preposterous.

I'm not trying to be mean , i'm just saying. I see it time and time again on forums, and it does get to me. State your opinion, if they make terrible decision after terrible decision and you do not like it then find another service, there are plenty out there. It can only be a bad thing for themselves (in terms of popularity, although that is not always a bad thing in itself) if companies/owners do not listen to what the majority of the people want. People will end up leaving/stop buying the products and go to their competitors, and that's captalism 101, lol.

what kind democracy is this? Alt coins must have section at least for giveaways!