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Topic: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. - page 1279. (Read 2032274 times)

legendary
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August 16, 2013, 01:36:59 PM
[sarcasm]It's always nice when someone enters the discussion only to push their wares. It really entices me to purchase whatever it is they are selling. The readers of this thread obviously don't have the skills to navigate to the "Goods" forum, even if they wanted to make a purchase. Oh, if anyone in the thread is interested, I have a tractor for sale. You know, you can use the tractor to dig for gold nuggets. Where did I put that link again?[/sarcasm]

I just bought the excavator I've been talking about on this thread over the years.  Liquidated (or -ing) some BTC to float my fiat balances where I want them because of it.  It's not do dig for gold though, but that is mostly because there is absolutely none in my area due to the geology, and the haul-in costs to get the machine to a mining claim (which I also don't have) would be excessive.

Someday I do hope that I can buy tractors for BTC directly and such posts will not be sarcastic.  Actually, now I want a dozer, but that is the idea.  (I want ROPS and a logging winch FWIW Smiley )

legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer
August 16, 2013, 12:48:09 PM
Probably worth mentioning, pre-orders on the Cold Hard Cash Bitcoin specie piece will lock in the silver price at the current level at the time of order
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-specie-project-sponsored-by-the-makers-of-new-liberty-dollar-269535
legendary
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August 15, 2013, 04:42:19 PM
silver over 23....

yeah, i've been flat for a while.  enjoy a good bounce.

oh noes, you're losing money!
sr. member
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♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
legendary
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August 15, 2013, 01:47:31 PM
As I said below 10 $ will probably happen between 2014-2016, not now.
Patience

Beyond paper promises, there is no rationale based in reality that suggests such an outcome.
legendary
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August 15, 2013, 12:05:49 AM
silver over 22... long way from 4


btc slowly moving up as well it seems

As I said below 10 $ will probably happen between 2014-2016, not now.
Patience

Man, are things really that bad?
legendary
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August 15, 2013, 12:01:43 AM
silver over 22... long way from 4


btc slowly moving up as well it seems

As I said below 10 $ will probably happen between 2014-2016, not now.
Patience
legendary
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August 13, 2013, 07:45:55 PM

Take off your tinfoil hat and use google.  This isn't the wall observer thread where idiots talk trash.


For the fun of it, I sometimes attempt to infer things based on my various understandings rather than doing extensive research and regurgitation.  Sometimes I'm right and sometimes not.

In this case I appear to be mostly right.  Most, if not all, DU rounds with armor piercing design (which would be plain old most) use either multiple metal designs in which tungsten often appears, or an alloy to impart the desired fragmentation properties onto DU.

Also, accd to the Wikipedia info, the carcinogenic nature of expended DU ammunition is almost certainly much more strongly associated with the atomization of other elements of the round or target than it is with the depleted uranium itself.

As for the 'tinfoil hat' claim, which part causes you such animation?

 - The fact that corporations make a lot of money running nuke plants?

 - Refining out the fisile material?

 - Make a lot selling the waste of the waste to the military to expend in the middle east?

 - The chain of profit was not a complete accident of fate but actually a product of a reasoned business strategy?

legendary
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August 13, 2013, 07:25:31 PM
Crackdown. Bitcoin UP.
legendary
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August 13, 2013, 07:10:42 PM
i resisted 4 a long time because they dont coin DU.  but i give in.  DU has the amazing and I think unique property that it actually sharpens when it hits something.  Explains its use in armor and bunker piercing munitions.  its not about the USA throwing its poisonous trash out creatively...

I'd love to have a DU coin, or any chunk of the stuff to add to my collection of interesting items.  I doubt that DU has particularly special mechanical properties aside from being extraordinarily dense and thus good at carrying kinetic energy over space.  I'll bet you'll find tungsten as a component of most of these weapons to exploit it's unusual mechanical properties.  But I don't know either of these conjectures to be true.

U.S. Business interests have had a rich history of developing and exploiting revenue streams and for about a century have had a reputation for being adept at it.  Firstly they obtain vast sums of money extracting fissile material from nuclear waste, then fire the waste from that process at foreigners at probably hundreds of USD per round, and at thousands of round per minute.  You gotta admit that it is brilliant.  Disturbing yes, but also brilliant.

Take off your tinfoil hat and use google.  This isn't the wall observer thread where idiots talk trash.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium
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Depleted uranium is favored for the penetrator because it is self-sharpening and pyrophoric.[30] On impact with a hard target, such as an armored vehicle, the nose of the rod fractures in such a way that it remains sharp. The impact and subsequent release of heat energy causes it to disintegrate to dust and burn when it reaches air because of its pyrophoric properties.

There's a really informative Scientific American article about DU properties (sometime within the last 10yrs, I forget when) but that is probably pay-walled.  But I'm sure you can find other papers.

legendary
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August 13, 2013, 12:36:07 PM
i resisted 4 a long time because they dont coin DU.  but i give in.  DU has the amazing and I think unique property that it actually sharpens when it hits something.  Explains its use in armor and bunker piercing munitions.  its not about the USA throwing its poisonous trash out creatively...

I'd love to have a DU coin, or any chunk of the stuff to add to my collection of interesting items.  I doubt that DU has particularly special mechanical properties aside from being extraordinarily dense and thus good at carrying kinetic energy over space.  I'll bet you'll find tungsten as a component of most of these weapons to exploit it's unusual mechanical properties.  But I don't know either of these conjectures to be true.

U.S. Business interests have had a rich history of developing and exploiting revenue streams and for about a century have had a reputation for being adept at it.  Firstly they obtain vast sums of money extracting fissile material from nuclear waste, then fire the waste from that process at foreigners at probably hundreds of USD per round, and at thousands of round per minute.  You gotta admit that it is brilliant.  Disturbing yes, but also brilliant.

legendary
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August 13, 2013, 12:06:29 PM
Remember when this thread was about gold & bitcoin?  Embarrassed

Well, I present you:

Gold stagnating. Silver & Bitcoin UP.

Who is hijacking who?  Cheesy

Why, again...  did we add uranium to the mix?
donator
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August 13, 2013, 09:28:01 AM
Nagasaki and Hiroshima were real world tests, plain and simple. The fire-storm bombings of Tokyo http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/tokyo.htm had already broken the japanese spirit and several more civilian attacks like these over the other big Japanese cities would have likely caused the same desired surrender outcome that was needed to stop the horrific island fighting as the Allies advanced on the mainland.

Do you know what a Monday morning quarterback is?

Hit a yankee nerve did I?

*scratches head*. I don't hink you looked that up, so I did it for you: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Monday+morning+quarterback

love the term, btw,... will use.
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
August 13, 2013, 07:32:32 AM
Nagasaki and Hiroshima were real world tests, plain and simple. The fire-storm bombings of Tokyo http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/tokyo.htm had already broken the japanese spirit and several more civilian attacks like these over the other big Japanese cities would have likely caused the same desired surrender outcome that was needed to stop the horrific island fighting as the Allies advanced on the mainland.

Do you know what a Monday morning quarterback is?

Hit a yankee nerve did I?
legendary
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August 13, 2013, 06:49:31 AM
i resisted 4 a long time because they dont coin DU.  but i give in.  DU has the amazing and I think unique property that it actually sharpens when it hits something.  Explains its use in armor and bunker piercing munitions.  its not about the USA throwing its poisonous trash out creatively...
legendary
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Want privacy? Use Monero!
August 13, 2013, 04:39:43 AM
Remember when this thread was about gold & bitcoin?  Embarrassed

Well, I present you:

Gold stagnating. Silver & Bitcoin UP.
legendary
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Enabling the maximal migration
August 13, 2013, 02:48:37 AM
Remember when this thread was about gold & bitcoin?  Embarrassed
legendary
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August 13, 2013, 01:56:52 AM
This is an issue where I take an unusual step (for me) of defending the US. 


Just watched an interesting history of the war for some original, never seen before Japanese footage in colour, (can't remember the name it is on Netflics.)

While you may be somewhat correct, you are looking at it from your cultural perspective; I would suggest you try taking that perspective with some Japanese friends. 

All in all, dropping a Nuke in a sparkly or uninhabited region could have gone a long way in the use as a threat.

As for the dirty DU bombs, there is lots of evidence to suggest the Afghan mountains are littered with the radioactive waste, least of which are the side effects the deformed births and myriad of radiation poisoning related diseases. 

To your last point, history seems to be repeating.   


I saw at least part of the documentary recently, probably on youtube.  It almost certainly had something to do with my comments.

I have chatted a bit with Japanese friends about things, and one time in particular while I was in Japan.  Although only one datapoint, I detect some sensitivity to the issue.  Unsurprisingly.  She said mostly that 'it was a terrible weapon' and left it at that.  It would have been rude to continue the conversation with some of my arguments, and I tend to be more rude on bitcointalk.org than in real life unless I know someone extremely well.  Anyway, I bet I would hold a very similar viewpoint even if I were a Japanese, but not very many people are as brutally analytically as I.  I do recall an interview with a high ranking Japanese officer or official prior to his death and he said that of course Japan would have used atomic weapons against the US if it had the ability.  In a general way this is not a justification for anything, and in part because I want to see the US being 'better' than others and feel that we fail when we are not, but my point is that nuking Japan in 1945 was a logical decision that almost anyone would have made at the time.

As for DU, uranium itself in it's natural mix of isotopes is not very radioactive although it would stand to reason that it is contaminated with other radioactive materials as a result of the production and refining process.  It's also a heavy metal which, when used in weapons, is highly atomized and does the same to anything it hits as a target.  It would not surprise me in the least if it created environmental issues.  Nor would it surprise me if some of the issues are overblown by the anti-war folks (my side) for propaganda reasons.  One way or another, the fact that we are shooting the stuff at people half way around the world at all is deeply wrong irrespective of the environmental damage.

We use DU because it makes war profiteers rich to be sure, but it would not surprise me if it were a form of genocide planned by our strategists.  Like what Israel does on the West Bank.  A) disable sewage treatment B) arrange lack of protein by controlling imports C) allow fishing only within a near zone where the fish are contaminated and shoot fishermen who stray beyond.  I can see no way that this is not planned and that it constitutes anything other than straight-up ethnic cleansing.  The Palestinians who survive will be ones with particularly strong immune systems which will be interesting to evaluate from a scientific perspective at least.

kjj
legendary
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August 12, 2013, 09:46:54 PM
Nagasaki and Hiroshima were real world tests, plain and simple. The fire-storm bombings of Tokyo http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/tokyo.htm had already broken the japanese spirit and several more civilian attacks like these over the other big Japanese cities would have likely caused the same desired surrender outcome that was needed to stop the horrific island fighting as the Allies advanced on the mainland.

Do you know what a Monday morning quarterback is?
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
August 12, 2013, 08:36:15 PM
However the US has done one thing, it has shown restraint when it had and has now vast nuclear advantage. I wonder what other countries with such and advantage would show the same restraint

The US of all countries? Nagasaki and Hiroshima ring a bell? No other country has ever dropped a nuke on people except the US.


The Japanese bombings not withstanding, it is disingenuous to say the US has shown restraint with its nuclear advantage .... one could argue that the massive influence they wield all across the globe, particularly the US dollar hegemony, is because behind every foreign action lies quietly, the unstated threat of ultimately nuclear action.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima were real world tests, plain and simple. The fire-storm bombings of Tokyo http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/tokyo.htm had already broken the japanese spirit and several more civilian attacks like these over the other big Japanese cities would have likely caused the same desired surrender outcome that was needed to stop the horrific island fighting as the Allies advanced on the mainland.
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