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Topic: GOP - Rand Paul's Presidential Highlight Reel w/ his Libertarian Twist - page 89. (Read 205816 times)

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more recently, obama's administration has laxed on marijuana legal enforcement though. they've gone on record to say that they won't bother with pressuring a state like colorado, since marijuana is still federally illegal.

Colorado is amazing really. It is very surprising that the Feds are allowing states rights to go so far.
For one, it's too close to the midterm elections to dampen democrats already haphazard chances at staying the majority in the Senate for Obama to use the hotboys to clamp down on civil rights. More so, the boom in jobs, cannabis related businesses and tax revenue in CO would deteriorate if the iron fist came down in any fashion on this. Finally, polls already show Rand Paul beating Hillary in a theoretical match up in CO which is a key swing state that usually leans dem. So, in 2014 and going into 2016 there could be historic issues arising from a crackdown that would not only produce an initial backlash against democrats but also give a libertarian like Paul a major advantage in securing the nomination by having such high polling numbers against the hypothetical democrat in such a state thus making many of the non-insider, establishment republicans lean even more in his direction, thus complicating the insider one party system.

we'll see if that really happens. the way it looks to me right now is wishful thinking, especially with the rand paul gaining popularity because of marijuana. actually, i would put money on rand paul not getting support from the GOP base, because they are way too extremist.

the most likely thing to happen is a repeat of 2012. the republican who comes out of the primaries will have tried his hardest to convince the base (primary voters) that he is ultraconservative. and when the presidential election comes around, he will try to convince everyone how he is a moderate/libertarian. hilary will call him out for flip flopping. that's assuming that he even gets the nod.. which isn't even a given like it is for hilary.
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more recently, obama's administration has laxed on marijuana legal enforcement though. they've gone on record to say that they won't bother with pressuring a state like colorado, since marijuana is still federally illegal.

Colorado is amazing really. It is very surprising that the Feds are allowing states rights to go so far.
For one, it's too close to the midterm elections to dampen democrats already haphazard chances at staying the majority in the Senate for Obama to use the hotboys to clamp down on civil rights. More so, the boom in jobs, cannabis related businesses and tax revenue in CO would deteriorate if the iron fist came down in any fashion on this. Finally, polls already show Rand Paul beating Hillary in a theoretical match up in CO which is a key swing state that usually leans dem. So, in 2014 and going into 2016 there could be historic issues arising from a crackdown that would not only produce an initial backlash against democrats but also give a libertarian like Paul a major advantage in securing the nomination by having such high polling numbers against the hypothetical democrat in such a state thus making many of the non-insider, establishment republicans lean even more in his direction, thus complicating the insider one party system.
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more recently, obama's administration has laxed on marijuana legal enforcement though. they've gone on record to say that they won't bother with pressuring a state like colorado, since marijuana is still federally illegal.

Colorado is amazing really. It is very surprising that the Feds are allowing states rights to go so far.
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Good news for all weed smokers.  Grin

Rand Paul And Cory Booker Team Up To Protect State Medical Marijuana Programs

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/19/rand-paul-and-cory-booker-team-up-to-protect-state-medical-marijuana-programs/
Damn, I was on the verge of landing that. CB is a bitch on the issues overall but he's a welcome ally here. Rand knows how to choose folks wisely.

Great news for many reasons: First, medical marijuana has massive popular support, especially among people who tend to not care for politics.
Democrats will have trouble winning votes on the issue because Obama started "friendly", but eventually (the Feds) raided Medical Marijuana sites in several locations.

weren't the places in colorado suspected of laundering money? i thought that was why it got the hammer. besides that, what has been raided?

Good question: It's been a while since I thought about this.
A 2012 Rolling Stone article is mentioned in the HufPo piece with this quote:

"Amid an increased crackdown on medical marijuana producers across the nation, including a recent high-profile raid on a California training school, President Barack Obama faced questions in a new interview with Rolling Stone about the seeming disconnect between his 2008 campaign rhetoric and his administration's actions since he took office."

more recently, obama's administration has laxed on marijuana legal enforcement though. they've gone on record to say that they won't bother with pressuring a state like colorado, since marijuana is still federally illegal.
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Rand Paul: U.S. foreign policy hurting Christians worldwide
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By Seth McLaughlin
Friday, June 20, 2014

Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky said Friday that some Republicans are too eager to use the nation’s military might abroad without thinking through the unintended consequences of those actions.

Mr. Paul said the GOP must rethink its approach to foreign policy because of the negative blow back against Christians worldwide, pointing out that after the United States helped prop up the Shiite-led government of Iraqi prime minister Nouri al-Maliki that 225,000 Iraqi Christians fled in fear and many of settled in Syria, which is now embroiled in a bloody civil war.

“[President] Reagan spoke often of peace through strength,” Mr. Paul said at the Faith and Freedom Coalition’s “Road to Majority” conference in Washington. “I fear that some in our nation and some in our party have forgotten the first part of the sentence — that peace should be our goal, even as we build our strength.”

“Some in our party have distorted this belief of peace through strength into a misguided belief that we should should protect strength through war,” Mr. Paul said. “Even when we have tried through good intentions to make the world a better place, our actions have often backfired.”
more...http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/20/sen-rand-paul-us-foreign-policy-hurting-christians/
I couldn't handle hanging out w/ all those overtly religious types but kudos to Rand for phrasing the non-intervention message accordingly. I can only imagine what Rubio had to say. Despite being a religious person to some extent, by and large most of them are so gullible and short sighted.
legendary
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Good news for all weed smokers.  Grin

Rand Paul And Cory Booker Team Up To Protect State Medical Marijuana Programs

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/19/rand-paul-and-cory-booker-team-up-to-protect-state-medical-marijuana-programs/
Damn, I was on the verge of landing that. CB is a bitch on the issues overall but he's a welcome ally here. Rand knows how to choose folks wisely.

Great news for many reasons: First, medical marijuana has massive popular support, especially among people who tend to not care for politics.
Democrats will have trouble winning votes on the issue because Obama started "friendly", but eventually (the Feds) raided Medical Marijuana sites in several locations.

weren't the places in colorado suspected of laundering money? i thought that was why it got the hammer. besides that, what has been raided?

Good question: It's been a while since I thought about this.
A 2012 Rolling Stone article is mentioned in the HufPo piece with this quote:

"Amid an increased crackdown on medical marijuana producers across the nation, including a recent high-profile raid on a California training school, President Barack Obama faced questions in a new interview with Rolling Stone about the seeming disconnect between his 2008 campaign rhetoric and his administration's actions since he took office."
sr. member
Activity: 434
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Good news for all weed smokers.  Grin

Rand Paul And Cory Booker Team Up To Protect State Medical Marijuana Programs

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/19/rand-paul-and-cory-booker-team-up-to-protect-state-medical-marijuana-programs/
Damn, I was on the verge of landing that. CB is a bitch on the issues overall but he's a welcome ally here. Rand knows how to choose folks wisely.

Great news for many reasons: First, medical marijuana has massive popular support, especially among people who tend to not care for politics.
Democrats will have trouble winning votes on the issue because Obama started "friendly", but eventually (the Feds) raided Medical Marijuana sites in several locations.

weren't the places in colorado suspected of laundering money? i thought that was why it got the hammer. besides that, what has been raided?
legendary
Activity: 2114
Merit: 1040
A Great Time to Start Something!
Good news for all weed smokers.  Grin

Rand Paul And Cory Booker Team Up To Protect State Medical Marijuana Programs

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/19/rand-paul-and-cory-booker-team-up-to-protect-state-medical-marijuana-programs/
Damn, I was on the verge of landing that. CB is a bitch on the issues overall but he's a welcome ally here. Rand knows how to choose folks wisely.

Great news for many reasons: First, medical marijuana has massive popular support, especially among people who tend to not care for politics.
Democrats will have trouble winning votes on the issue because Obama started "friendly", but eventually (the Feds) raided Medical Marijuana sites in several locations.
legendary
Activity: 1568
Merit: 1001
Good news for all weed smokers.  Grin

Rand Paul And Cory Booker Team Up To Protect State Medical Marijuana Programs

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/19/rand-paul-and-cory-booker-team-up-to-protect-state-medical-marijuana-programs/
Damn, I was on the verge of landing that. CB is a bitch on the issues overall but he's a welcome ally here. Rand knows how to choose folks wisely.
legendary
Activity: 3752
Merit: 1217
Good news for all weed smokers.  Grin

Rand Paul And Cory Booker Team Up To Protect State Medical Marijuana Programs

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/19/rand-paul-and-cory-booker-team-up-to-protect-state-medical-marijuana-programs/
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it would be cool if we had a paul/pau 2016 campaign.. though ron would have to pulled out of retirement  Cheesy
but i think they are too similar and wouldn't appeal enough to the populous.

The Libertarian faction of the GOP don't have the necessary support to win the POTUS elections. They should either align with the establishment faction or the Tea Party faction, in order to win the elections.

at this point, it'd be a safer pick to go with a liberterian republican than with a teabagger.. and it shows in the polls. i don't know how you come up with your conclusions at all.

seems like we don't agree on much, but this isn't even a political issue.. it's just extrapolation of the facts and data.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2014/05/09/tea-party-losing-steam-among-republicans-gallup-poll/

whoever comes out with the GOP nomination will already be working at a disadvantage, since they will be talking about how super conservative they are during the primaries, and then how moderate they are during the 2016 election. if rand paul can somehow get the republican nomination while maintaining a moderate partner, it would give him the best chance.
legendary
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it would be cool if we had a paul/pau 2016 campaign.. though ron would have to pulled out of retirement  Cheesy
but i think they are too similar and wouldn't appeal enough to the populous.

The Libertarian faction of the GOP don't have the necessary support to win the POTUS elections. They should either align with the establishment faction or the Tea Party faction, in order to win the elections.
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it would be cool if we had a paul/pau 2016 campaign.. though ron would have to pulled out of retirement  Cheesy

but i think they are too similar and wouldn't appeal enough to the populous.

That wouldn't happen unless there was a Battle of Athens at every single precinct in the US to actually have their votes counted.
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Rand Paul Op-Ed: America Shouldn't Choose Sides in Iraq's Civil War
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Obama has made mistakes but so did Bush by invading. There's no good case for U.S. military intervention now.

By Rand Paul
June 19, 2014 7:12 p.m. ET

Though many claim the mantle of Ronald Reagan on foreign policy, too few look at how he really conducted it. The Iraq war is one of the best examples of where we went wrong because we ignored that.

In 1984, Reagan's Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger developed the following criteria for war, primarily to avoid another Vietnam. His speech, "The Uses of Military Power," boils down to this: The United States should not commit forces to combat unless the vital national interests of the U.S. or its allies are involved and only "with the clear intention of winning." U.S. combat troops should be committed only with "clearly defined political and military objectives" and with the capacity to accomplish those objectives and with a "reasonable assurance" of the support of U.S. public opinion and Congress and only "as a last resort."

Much of the rationale for going to war in 2003 did not measure up to the Weinberger Doctrine, and I opposed the Iraq war. I thought we needed to be more prudent about the weightiest decision a country can make. Like Reagan, I thought we should never be eager to go to war. And now, 11 years later, we are still dealing with the consequences.

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Many of those clamoring for military action now are the same people who made every false assumption imaginable about the cost, challenge and purpose of the Iraq war. They have been so wrong for so long. Why should we listen to them again?
more...http://online.wsj.com/articles/sen-rand-paul-america-shouldnt-choose-sides-in-iraqs-civil-war-1403219558
HB to me, thanks for the present Rand!
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it would be cool if we had a paul/pau 2016 campaign.. though ron would have to pulled out of retirement  Cheesy

but i think they are too similar and wouldn't appeal enough to the populous.
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Rand Paul's New Confidant
Meet his Ace
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So why was Morris on the trip? Kentucky is not exactly a rich state, but Morris had carved out a reputation as a man with a talent for shaking loose campaign cash. Back in 2004, he was, at 23, by all accounts the country's youngest bundler for George W. Bush, raising at least $50,000 and becoming a "Bush Maverick." His list of contacts had only grown in the years since. "People in politics know who raises money," Morris says. "That's not a secret." In short, Morris was just the kind of moneyman Paul needed if he was going to pursue his presidential ambitions.

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Morris's coming-out party of sorts as a player in Paul's world took place this past January when he organized a fundraiser at the Atlanta home of Lane Moore, the executive chairman of Rubicon Global. Paul lingered for a long time as the crowd munched on a spread of tenderloin, shrimp, and salmon. Proceeds went to Paul's Senate reelection campaign—though, like all the money he's raising these days, it could eventually be transferred to a future presidential bid.

The event was timed to coincide with a Rubicon investors' conference, so Blunt, the former Missouri governor, was among the attendees. "Any potential presidential candidate would be fortunate to have somebody like Nate out there beating the bushes for him," Blunt told me. Jack Oliver, who says his "goal is to get Jeb Bush to run," was nonetheless on the host committee. In a matter of hours, Paul collected an estimated $150,000. "That," the senator told me, "was a big success."
More...http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/rand-paul-s-new-confidant-20140618
It's a long article but if you're curious to see what Rand has up his sleeve, I highly advise a thorough read. These kinds of articles don't come by often at all, this is a gem and that's me talking here. The back stories in this article are incredible and even then they don't take into consideration the crypto folks that are likely to line up behind Paul.

I will finish it later, this part is wrong:
"The destination itself suggested he was seeking to reassure establishment Republicans that he did not share the hostility of his father—GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul—to the Jewish state."

Dr Ron Paul was not hostile towards Israel he simply said (for example) we should cut off aide to all countries (including Israel)
legendary
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Rand Paul's New Confidant
Meet his Ace
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So why was Morris on the trip? Kentucky is not exactly a rich state, but Morris had carved out a reputation as a man with a talent for shaking loose campaign cash. Back in 2004, he was, at 23, by all accounts the country's youngest bundler for George W. Bush, raising at least $50,000 and becoming a "Bush Maverick." His list of contacts had only grown in the years since. "People in politics know who raises money," Morris says. "That's not a secret." In short, Morris was just the kind of moneyman Paul needed if he was going to pursue his presidential ambitions.

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Morris's coming-out party of sorts as a player in Paul's world took place this past January when he organized a fundraiser at the Atlanta home of Lane Moore, the executive chairman of Rubicon Global. Paul lingered for a long time as the crowd munched on a spread of tenderloin, shrimp, and salmon. Proceeds went to Paul's Senate reelection campaign—though, like all the money he's raising these days, it could eventually be transferred to a future presidential bid.

The event was timed to coincide with a Rubicon investors' conference, so Blunt, the former Missouri governor, was among the attendees. "Any potential presidential candidate would be fortunate to have somebody like Nate out there beating the bushes for him," Blunt told me. Jack Oliver, who says his "goal is to get Jeb Bush to run," was nonetheless on the host committee. In a matter of hours, Paul collected an estimated $150,000. "That," the senator told me, "was a big success."
More...http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/rand-paul-s-new-confidant-20140618
It's a long article but if you're curious to see what Rand has up his sleeve, I highly advise a thorough read. These kinds of articles don't come by often at all, this is a gem and that's me talking here. The back stories in this article are incredible and even then they don't take into consideration the crypto folks that are likely to line up behind Paul.
legendary
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whoever the republican is, is going to have a lot of trouble.

The demographics are against them. They have low levels of support among the young voters, and the racial minorities, two of the most rapidly growing segments in the USA.

maybe what eric cantor was aiming for was to open the GOP gates up to other ethnicities, but the far right neocons were against that.
Cantor is a neocon and was the poster boy leading the charge to pass amnesty which would permanently screw any hopes for people reaching middle class status as it would drive wages down hard and expand entitlement rolls significantly. The Chamber of Commerce republican/big business types want cheaper labor and so this is a big issue for them. They helped to over spend as republicans and now there's very few ways to expand profits these days w/ all the regulations except for laying off former workers in favor for low wagers. A local primary like this one is easier for the grassroots to turn people out and less easy for the crony corporatists to put in a fix to win it since the boob turnout is a lot lower. They got their asses handed to them and they had it coming.

On one hand, they wanted to appear like they were catering to hispanics by playing this angle but the real story is how it would screw over the average person/family in no uncertain terms. The only that is making a deliberative play for minorities is Rand Paul and this will be his competitive advantage in the GOP primary as it will show his electable numbers in superior format to the others going into a general against whomever. The biggest thing in his corner is his bipartisan leadership against a rogue NSA spying outfit. The other is his inner city sponsorships of economic freedom zones.
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whoever the republican is, is going to have a lot of trouble.

The demographics are against them. They have low levels of support among the young voters, and the racial minorities, two of the most rapidly growing segments in the USA.

or maybe they are just against themselves. they, as a party, are becoming way way more monolithic than they should be. i think it was something like 90% of republicans are white. meanwhile, we're seeing more and more diversity. the problem is that the GOP is becoming more and more extremist, because they fear other ethnicities might come on over and outgrow them. a simple solution would be to, you know, make policy that doesn't give a big "fuck you" to minorities. maybe include women too.

maybe what eric cantor was aiming for was to open the GOP gates up to other ethnicities, but the far right neocons were against that.
legendary
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whoever the republican is, is going to have a lot of trouble.

The demographics are against them. They have low levels of support among the young voters, and the racial minorities, two of the most rapidly growing segments in the USA.
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