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Topic: GOP - Rand Paul's Presidential Highlight Reel w/ his Libertarian Twist - page 93. (Read 205816 times)

legendary
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@beetcoin It is a huge story: you posted while I was typing/editing this post.

Has everyone heard about Eric Cantor getting beat in Virginia by a long-shot candidate?
It is a HUGE upset:

1) Cantor is/was a 'rare' house member with national name recognition.
2) He was widely viewed as the next Speaker of The House.
3) The 'tea party guy' wasn't expected to win.

When I have time, I need to check if the winner is a "real Liberty candidate" or just a "tea party" establishment phoney (i.e like Scott Brown, Marco Rubio, etc)
Yep, Brat is a solid pro-liberty guy and I know people that were working on his campaign. This is definitely one for the history books and a big slap across the establishment's face. I've already put a tweet into Brat to get him to accept Bitcoin, so if he opens up the tap I hope yall will join me and put up some renegade money. Grin
legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
@beetcoin It is a huge story: you posted while I was typing/editing this post.

Has everyone heard about Eric Cantor getting beat in Virginia by a long-shot candidate?
It is a HUGE upset:

1) Cantor is/was a 'rare' house member with national name recognition.
2) He was widely viewed as the next Speaker of The House.
3) The 'tea party guy' wasn't expected to win.

When I have time, I need to check if the winner is a "real Liberty candidate" or just a "tea party" establishment phoney (i.e like Scott Brown, Marco Rubio, etc)
sr. member
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it also looks like eric cantor faced a defeat by a tea party guy without major financial backing.. this might be big news, since cantor is basically the 2nd in command for the house.
legendary
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Justin Amash is one of the best in congress, he needs to win.
Primaries are that late in Mich?.....checking the date:
"...the primary contests will take place on August 5, 2014"
That doesn't leave much time for the general election battle, wonder why they do that?

Doesn't matter much. Amash is comfortably ahead of Ellis, and he may not even do any campaigning for the primaries.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/06/poll_rep_justin_amash_leads_pr.html

Also, Michigan's 3rd congressional district is a Republican leaning one, and if there are no surprises, Amash should be reelected comfortably.
legendary
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As well as Justin Amash, John Duncan, Walter Jones, Matt Salmon, Steve Stockman, Paul Broun and I'm sure quite a few others that have conservativish (fiscally) leaning voting records at least.

Justin Amash is a great guy. One of the few representatives, who had the balls to criticize the National Security Agency and the PATRIOT Act. But he is facing a very tough primary challenge this year, from Brian Ellis.

Justin Amash is one of the best in congress, he needs to win.
Primaries are that late in Mich?.....checking the date:
"...the primary contests will take place on August 5, 2014"
That doesn't leave much time for the general election battle, wonder why they do that?
The primary has always been in early August and then a runoff happens if needed in Sept. I'm up for reelection in the primary for my delegate status but I'm likely running unopposed. Grin Guess the general all leans on getting your people out to vote but since this is a mid term election of a president's second term, the voting will skew republican from top to bottom here in MI and many other places. There won't be as much turn out from urban types affecting things in off years.
legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
As well as Justin Amash, John Duncan, Walter Jones, Matt Salmon, Steve Stockman, Paul Broun and I'm sure quite a few others that have conservativish (fiscally) leaning voting records at least.

Justin Amash is a great guy. One of the few representatives, who had the balls to criticize the National Security Agency and the PATRIOT Act. But he is facing a very tough primary challenge this year, from Brian Ellis.

Justin Amash is one of the best in congress, he needs to win.
Primaries are that late in Mich?.....checking the date:
"...the primary contests will take place on August 5, 2014"
That doesn't leave much time for the general election battle, wonder why they do that?
legendary
Activity: 1568
Merit: 1001
As well as Justin Amash, John Duncan, Walter Jones, Matt Salmon, Steve Stockman, Paul Broun and I'm sure quite a few others that have conservativish (fiscally) leaning voting records at least.

Justin Amash is a great guy. One of the few representatives, who had the balls to criticize the National Security Agency and the PATRIOT Act. But he is facing a very tough primary challenge this year, from Brian Ellis.
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Rep. Justin Amash: Challenger Brian Ellis running on unpopular issues in Third District race

By Andrew Krietz
on June 09, 2014 at 3:28 PM

GRAND RAPIDS, MI — It's been a relatively quiet spring from U.S. Rep. Justin Amash's campaign, though it's better not to expect the same ahead of the Aug. 5 primary.

The incumbent Republican said he'll soon be gearing up to defend his bid for reelection against challenger Brian Ellis, who has been running advertisements against the congressman on West Michigan television for months. As the summer heats up, expect the rhetoric among the camps to increase, too.

Toward the end of May, the Michigan Information and Research Service, or MIRS tracked Amash and Ellis at 42 percent over 23 percent, respectively.

Amash, R-Cascade Township, told MLive and The Grand Rapids Press late last week that his lead is sustainable while the Ellis campaign has tried to paint the lead as one that is shrinking with each new poll.

Both agree MIRS' survey parallels internal numbers measured by each of the campaigns.

"I feel very confident going into election day," Amash said. "If I were Ellis, I wouldn't be bragging about being down 19 points."

The race is marked by the candidates' widely different ideologies, and it already has been highlighted by national media outlets as mirroring the national rift between tea party and "establishment" Republicans.
read more...http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/06/rep_justin_amash_competitor_br.html
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Amash: Ellis not a ‘serious or credible candidate’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPH3wKrth6c
Local news Footage yesterday from Grand Rapids (heart of the district)
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GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (WOOD) — U.S. Rep. Justin Amash will not participate in a debate with Republican primary challenger Brian Ellis, he told 24 Hour News 8 in a statement, saying Ellis is not a serious candidate in the race for the U.S. Third Congressional District seat.

After 24 Hour New 8 issued the invitation for a live debate between the two Republican candidates, Amash’s campaign team replied last week in a statement.

Ellis “isn’t a serious or credible candidate,” that statement said in part. “Unlike most of his colleagues, Rep. Amash has held dozens of public town halls since entering Congress, which provide the opportunity for anyone, including Ellis, to have a discussion with him about the issues. To our knowledge, Ellis has never attended one. We appreciate the invitation, and we encourage Ellis to do his own public appearances.”

Ellis had accepted 24 Hour News 8′s invitation to a debate.

“Voters should be allowed to have a choice. They should be able to hear from both candidates, and the debate is a good way to do that. And so, for him to run scared of it, that’s up to him,” Ellis told 24 Hour News 8 Monday. “I’m ready to debate. I’ve accepted your invitation. I’ve accepted others.”

Amash’s statement also said that Ellis’ “feckless smear campaign” and polls have shown the Ellis isn’t a “serious or credible candidate.”

more...http://woodtv.com/2014/06/09/amash-ellis-not-a-serious-or-credible-candidate/
legendary
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As well as Justin Amash, John Duncan, Walter Jones, Matt Salmon, Steve Stockman, Paul Broun and I'm sure quite a few others that have conservativish (fiscally) leaning voting records at least.

Justin Amash is a great guy. One of the few representatives, who had the balls to criticize the National Security Agency and the PATRIOT Act. But he is facing a very tough primary challenge this year, from Brian Ellis.
legendary
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Rand Paul discusses tax repatriation plan on CNBC w/ Sara Eisen (from earlier today)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlochF3gAns
5 min segment on market channel
legendary
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Sen Mike Lee (from Utah) is also a liberty republican. 2% of the Senate doesn't sound great, but major changes/movements take time to get going.

There are a few Representatives, who can be classified as Libertarian Republican. In addition to Ron Paul (now ex-Rep), we have Rep.s such as Mark Sanford, Ted Yoho, Raul Labrador and Thomas Massie.
As well as Justin Amash, John Duncan, Walter Jones, Matt Salmon, Steve Stockman, Paul Broun and I'm sure quite a few others that have conservativish (fiscally) leaning voting records at least.
legendary
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Sen Mike Lee (from Utah) is also a liberty republican. 2% of the Senate doesn't sound great, but major changes/movements take time to get going.

There are a few Representatives, who can be classified as Libertarian Republican. In addition to Ron Paul (now ex-Rep), we have Rep.s such as Mark Sanford, Ted Yoho, Raul Labrador and Thomas Massie.
legendary
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We (the U.S.A) give more money to Israel because they are our staunchest ally in the Mid-East. We participate in war games, elite tactical training, and counter-terrorism techniques. The U.S. is the only country in which Israel shares their covert information. I would be in complete favor of cutting off all foreign aid, including that to Israel. No reason to continue going deeper into debt when our country is broke. But, to not understand why Israel receives the majority of our aid in that region is ludicrous.


It's a more than fair hypothesis that the very effective lobbying efforts by groups who are at the very least highly sympathetic to Israel if not directly sponsored by them are responsible for a lot of the favors and money that that country receives from us.  One of the ways Israel helps us is by testing our experimental weapons out on civilians sometimes.  (Image search DIME and gaza if you want to see my tax dollars at work...and have a strong stomach.)

This American citizen that was "executed" was participating in an act of war against Israel and Israel (any country for that matter) has every right to protect itself. You can find the full clips on Youtube (you know, the non edited ones) showing the terrorists on the flotilla attacking the Israeli soldiers that were only protecting their waters, as any country has the right to do.

Funny enough we have extensive video of the attack, but that is only because someone outsmarted the Israeli technicians and the feeds didn't get cut (and the commanders had the poor sense to continue the mission in spite of that.)  Then they missed a memory card when the Turkish PM flipped his lid and told Israel to release everyone right now or else.  Censorship fail.

Back when the event was in the news (briefly) I watched most of the footage.  Here's a little clip from the hours of footage.  It is reported to be the American, and may be how he ended up with a bullet in the back of his head fired from a range of about 45 cm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdirKfgI2Y4

Oh, BTW, the ship was not on it's way to attack Israel with it's cargo of humanitarian aid and unarmed concerned volunteers.  It was going to Gaza.  Labeling this an 'act of war' against Israel is utterly laughable.

sr. member
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It will take a strong fiscal conservative to save our country from it's impending economic demise and eventual financial neutering. We need what we used to have that enabled us to prosper and made us attractive to those coming from other countries: a frontiersman's strength to do whatever it takes to succeed and a culture of limitless opportunity based on your own initiative. No one came here poor thinking they were entitled to the possessions someone else had

Scott Walker or Dems keep the presidency.

I don't think Scott Walker is running.

I don't either. I do not believe there is a Republican in the bunch that will actually run that can beat Hillary.

Then we really are in big trouble.  

guess you aren't even hiding the fact that you're a republican?

I have nothing to hide. I hate both parties. I would much rather have a semi libertarian than a left wing war monger in the white house.

You don't have to take part in party politics to see how dangerous these people are.
sr. member
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It would be hilarious if the GOP nominated Rand Paul. Oh my god the entertainment factor would be through the roof!

Stay crazy Republicans.

Another true believer. Enjoy the yes we can rallies and broken promises.  

see, i hate this bullshit. just because someone thinks the GOP is crazy does not mean you are an obama nuthugger. the GOP says way more crazy shit than the democrats, but that doesn't mean i am one. it could be reciprocated that you are a conservative/republican.

Right. I'm not a fan of Obama or the Democrats in general.

i guess both of you are.

what do you have to say about the crazy shit that goes on fox news, and the crazy politicians you have? like sarah palin, herman cain, michelle bachman, that "women have a defense mechanism against rape" and the other tons of wackos?
sr. member
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It would be hilarious if the GOP nominated Rand Paul. Oh my god the entertainment factor would be through the roof!

Stay crazy Republicans.

Another true believer. Enjoy the yes we can rallies and broken promises.  

see, i hate this bullshit. just because someone thinks the GOP is crazy does not mean you are an obama nuthugger. the GOP says way more crazy shit than the democrats, but that doesn't mean i am one. it could be reciprocated that you are a conservative/republican.

Right. I'm not a fan of Obama or the Democrats in general.
legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
It's hilarious to think that the least possible evil will ever have his winning amount of votes counted and not simply shredded.

I'm aware of vote fraud, but....
If the "least possible evil" always looses, then how/why did Rand get his votes counted in the Senate primary when he went from underdog to win over a "pre-approved" candidate?  Smiley


He's the Don Quixote of the Senate. His tilting at windmills doesn't matter when all the rest of his party in name only are tyrannical sociopaths.

Sen Mike Lee (from Utah) is also a liberty republican. 2% of the Senate doesn't sound great, but major changes/movements take time to get going.



It would have been more clear if I said "attempted libertarian takeover of the Republican party" which is in progress.
Iowa (for example) is an important primary state and "we" have built a really strong organization there. Caucus states give grass-roots efforts a much better chance than primaries, especially if you have dedicated supporters.

Glad to hear this. Lately I am hearing good news from smaller states like Iowa, New Hampshire and Idaho. Needs to target the more populous states as well, such as Texas and Florida.  Grin

Yes winning over Florida would be great, but lots of people retire from the East coast states and move there, also older people are usually less receptive to "new" ideas.
Texas has great potential, since many residents are (at least somewhat) independent minded
legendary
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It would have been more clear if I said "attempted libertarian takeover of the Republican party" which is in progress.
Iowa (for example) is an important primary state and "we" have built a really strong organization there. Caucus states give grass-roots efforts a much better chance than primaries, especially if you have dedicated supporters.

Glad to hear this. Lately I am hearing good news from smaller states like Iowa, New Hampshire and Idaho. Needs to target the more populous states as well, such as Texas and Florida.  Grin
legendary
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RIP Mommy
It's hilarious to think that the least possible evil will ever have his winning amount of votes counted and not simply shredded.

I'm aware of vote fraud, but....
If the "least possible evil" always looses, then how/why did Rand get his votes counted in the Senate primary when he went from underdog to win over a "pre-approved" candidate?  Smiley


He's the Don Quixote of the Senate. His tilting at windmills doesn't matter when all the rest of his party in name only are tyrannical sociopaths.
legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
I support the 'libertarian takeover' of the Republican party, since we are teaching them about limited Gov't.

There is no Libertarian take-over. There are a few Libertarians within the GOP, such as Rand Paul. But the vast majority of the supporters, as well as the politicians remains pro-establishment.

It would have been more clear if I said "attempted libertarian takeover of the Republican party" which is in progress.
Iowa (for example) is an important primary state and "we" have built a really strong organization there. Caucus states give grass-roots efforts a much better chance than primaries, especially if you have dedicated supporters.
legendary
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I support the 'libertarian takeover' of the Republican party, since we are teaching them about limited Gov't.

There is no Libertarian take-over. There are a few Libertarians within the GOP, such as Rand Paul. But the vast majority of the supporters, as well as the politicians remains pro-establishment.
Politicians yes but I think the reelection rate is based upon tried and true methods of campaigning that flow into the low info voters when they decided to take an interest, about a few weeks prior to the election. Consultants poll what language works and this allows the incumbents to use their corporate bribery funds to string the idiots along. I'd wager that the average republican voter holds key conservative issues at heart but they aren't tuned in enough to see the one corporate party system in action. Take the pro-life issue only voters like many Catholics and Evangelicals. They've been strung along for the last ~30 years based upon that token issue being paid lip service while overlooking everything else these republicans have been doing including spending like democrats. Again, it's hard to overcome all the Corporate-Karl Rove-Chamber of Commerce insider money that is poured into mailers and tv/radio ads for these incumbents (on both sides) to keep challengers at bay. We had a good deal of conservative Senate challengers but only one has made it through a primary and even he's (McDaniel in MS) heading to a run-off.

I've said it before and I'll keep on saying it til it sinks in: Folks have to become party delegates and have influence in their state and local party's leadership. Then elect good folks to district and state cmte spots and they draft and pass resolutions affecting local and state party endorsements, donations and whether the state has a taxpayer funded primary (where the CoC folks can buy elections via low info voters) or state convention caucuses (where party delegates who are very tuned to the issues pick their nominees). Find out the info in your state and get involved. Heck do some BTC/crypto proselytizing while you're at it. We will be the new wealthier types come the next Prez election after all. Get out and swing your cock a little ya know what I mean.. Wink
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