I am definitely for a refund, but Burnin will refund only 50% (i'm in batch 5).
he will refund 50% of parts and boards ie. 50% of orders made by his shop, not chips ordered.
Topic: [Group Buy] Avalon ASIC Chips (SebastianJu) Batch 6 ordered (Closed) - page 20. (Read 125338 times)
August 29, 2013, 04:11:57 AM
August 29, 2013, 04:04:29 AM
I am definitely for a refund, but Burnin will refund only 50% (i'm in batch 5).
he will refund 50% of parts and boards ie. 50% of orders made by his shop, not chips ordered. 
August 29, 2013, 03:56:04 AM
+1 for refund (batch 2)
August 29, 2013, 03:52:16 AM
We have 6 batches, maybe we should make a list of how many chips want a refund and then ask for the latest batches, and distribute the first batches among people who haven't asked for a refund (if they ever show up)
+1
August 29, 2013, 02:57:39 AM
I am definitely for a refund, but Burnin will refund only 50% (i'm in batch 5).
August 29, 2013, 02:35:51 AM
+1
I also vote for a refund (batch 6)
edit: actually batch 3
I also vote for a refund (
edit: actually batch 3
August 29, 2013, 12:54:50 AM
I buy my batch 1 chip through auction with more high price & already paid for assembly so i don't want refund.
But in case all batch buyer voted for refund, then of course i can't refused the refund
But in case all batch buyer voted for refund, then of course i can't refused the refund
August 29, 2013, 12:31:32 AM
We have 6 batches, maybe we should make a list of how many chips want a refund and then ask for the latest batches, and distribute the first batches among people who haven't asked for a refund (if they ever show up)
Is a good idea...potentially tricky to organise, but definitely interesting solution!
I ordered 100 chips in batch 6 and to be honest at this point I don't care of the ROI... I want to see them! We have been per-ordering and waiting for everything in the bitcoin word and now is time to "receive" something...even if we are not gonna make a penny out it...sadly!
August 29, 2013, 12:16:32 AM
+1 for refund, I can even take like 5-10% fee to cover the expenses of burnin and other assemblers.
I'm also OK with getting -10% of full refund to help those who payed to Burnin. Main goal is to get one, if we don't we will lose much more, and we should be fair in the process.
Yeah, if someone offered me 90% right now of what I paid I'd take it to put this to rest.
August 29, 2013, 12:10:24 AM
We have 6 batches, maybe we should make a list of how many chips want a refund and then ask for the latest batches, and distribute the first batches among people who haven't asked for a refund (if they ever show up)
August 28, 2013, 06:43:50 PM
+1 for refund, I can even take like 5-10% fee to cover the expenses of burnin and other assemblers.
I'm also OK with getting -10% of full refund to help those who payed to Burnin. Main goal is to get one, if we don't we will lose much more, and we should be fair in the process.
August 28, 2013, 06:27:49 PM
Most of the discussion of this seems to be happening in zefir's thread atm, but as I said there:
Also not for customers who have already paid burnin.
Also not for those of us who don't want burnin to get seriously screwed by this, because we are looking forward to the Bitfury boards he's planning to design.
(I'm in SebastianJu's group buy, not zefir's)
Personally I don't quite see why 0.35BTC/Ghash for something you can't actually get hold of is such a gamechanger, anyway. A BFL Single is 0.35BTC/Ghash for something you can't actually get hold of, too.
roy
Option B would be the best outcome, though not for burnin and other developers.
Also not for customers who have already paid burnin.
Also not for those of us who don't want burnin to get seriously screwed by this, because we are looking forward to the Bitfury boards he's planning to design.
(I'm in SebastianJu's group buy, not zefir's)
Personally I don't quite see why 0.35BTC/Ghash for something you can't actually get hold of is such a gamechanger, anyway. A BFL Single is 0.35BTC/Ghash for something you can't actually get hold of, too.
roy
August 28, 2013, 06:24:58 PM
+1 for refund, I can even take like 5-10% fee to cover the expenses of burnin and other assemblers.
Good idea would be to gather together those who want chips and those who want refunds and keep order of 1 or 2 batches
Good idea would be to gather together those who want chips and those who want refunds and keep order of 1 or 2 batches
August 28, 2013, 06:21:58 PM
Btw:
Man, you've got quite some nerve for posting this. A full refund will not solve the issue. Please explain the 1+ million chips delivery that showed up in pictures from June? So, where did they end up?
batch 3? the amount was never 1+ million chips. if one 1+ million chips did show up in june, none of this would be happening and difficulty would NOT be this low, do some math.
also people seem to not make the connect to sudden raise of difficulty to us shipping batch 3 and bitfury's http://ghash.io pool coming online...
brb making refund form, I'm done with this.
Here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3030839
I am tired of this toxic community malformed by greed.
Man, you've got quite some nerve for posting this. A full refund will not solve the issue. Please explain the 1+ million chips delivery that showed up in pictures from June? So, where did they end up?
batch 3? the amount was never 1+ million chips. if one 1+ million chips did show up in june, none of this would be happening and difficulty would NOT be this low, do some math.
also people seem to not make the connect to sudden raise of difficulty to us shipping batch 3 and bitfury's http://ghash.io pool coming online...
brb making refund form, I'm done with this.
August 28, 2013, 06:08:50 PM
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Yufu is making refund form.
I vote for refund. (My order in batch 1)
Even if we take 1,72/20 chips and bitburners 20 chips board for 100€ it make atleast 2,72 BTC.
If we get it in september that it will not see ROI
http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/f14ab13c9e
I havent even calculated any power costs.
Yufu is making refund form.
I vote for refund. (My order in batch 1)
Even if we take 1,72/20 chips and bitburners 20 chips board for 100€ it make atleast 2,72 BTC.
If we get it in september that it will not see ROI
http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/f14ab13c9e
I havent even calculated any power costs.
Best news in a long time! This is our chance. Sebastian please consider a refund, look's like Yifu is serious about it.
+1 for refund!
August 28, 2013, 05:37:54 PM
*Post edited*
Yufu is making refund form.
I vote for refund. (My order in batch 1)
Even if we take 1,72/20 chips and bitburners 20 chips board for 100€ it make atleast 2,72 BTC.
If we get it in september that it will not see ROI
http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/f14ab13c9e
I havent even calculated any power costs.
Yufu is making refund form.
I vote for refund. (My order in batch 1)
Even if we take 1,72/20 chips and bitburners 20 chips board for 100€ it make atleast 2,72 BTC.
If we get it in september that it will not see ROI
http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/f14ab13c9e
I havent even calculated any power costs.
August 28, 2013, 04:17:18 PM
August 26, 2013, 06:12:48 PM
I think there are around 25 batches before our batch 1.
If they are shipping 45k chips a day, and that is a big IF, and there are 25 batches before us, what would the delivery time be? (Not sure how many chips in a batch... 10k? )
Then add maybe 5 days for shipping, then add extra days for shipment to board assembly location, and then add a week more for assembly time and delivery if there are no long queues.
Realistically no one in SebastianJu's group buys would see any product until mid to late Sept.
On the other hand, at least Avalon is shipping their product unlike some of the new competition that hasn't delivered anything yet.
Thanks for the explanation. I really wonder now, if they can get them out so quick, where the heck were "our" chips sent off to in the past. I really think Yifu and Avalon did something shady. It looks like the took our money, made the chips and delivered them to a higher bidder, then ordered more chips and are going to deliver those to us now.
+1
AVALON Scam Accusation thread
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/avalon-scam-accusation-thread-258829
August 26, 2013, 04:58:09 PM
There are certain other sellers selling avalon asics. And i have read those that bought with them received their chips already. Im not sure where these chips are from originally. I didnt look into it since i was already tied to Yifu at that time.
August 26, 2013, 04:54:18 PM
Who are the third parties they went to in order to get the ICs? Either way somebody received chips from Avalon and they had to pay a high price to get them before their Batch 1. Good news is they are shipping... bad news is we still have no idea how long it will take since they don't source who is getting the chips?
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