Topic: [Group Buy] Avalon ASIC Chips (SebastianJu) Batch 6 ordered (Closed) - page 28. (Read 125282 times)

Sensei is in usa so you have to see for those prices. You should have receive an email already.

Can you PM me cost of shipping to sensei? (have you fixed that up yet? - as one of my targets is supposed to be sensei)

So you know, the email [email protected] is controlled by me and i sent the shipping cost options to those buyers that have targets different from burnin. Let me know the type of shipment you want so i have more details and can calculate.

Listen to us pessimists, we are always right 

BTW, that batches will come one by one in timely manner is already optimistic, there is a realistic chance that this ends badly, like no chips till October-November when we would have to think twice if it would be economical at all to invest in placing them on the PCB. Maybe it will be profitable to just throw them away and buy 2nd gen chips (like Bitfury, etc). If I understood correctly, Burnin was in contact with someone from Bitfury and he generally agreed to develop the version of his board for their chips as soon as his work for Avalon boards is finished.

Let's hope that this pessimistic scenario never plays out.

Maybe i should rethink it when the batches really come one by one... if its one or 2 rushs i think i will simply post the costs i had and ask for donations.

You are such a nice guy Sebastian but there is no need to make this donation based. If Zefir's batch orders with only few days in between them didn't come together, I see no reason to think it would be any different with yours/ours. If you have expenses related to chips delivery, it should be shared with those whose chips are being delivered.

+1

Happy to pay our contribution SebastianJu. I can see why you'd want to avoid the admin though. Perhaps if you just post your costs for the burnin trips somewhere and a suggested contribution per chip and we can send you an appropriate amount. I'm sure there are a lot of people here who would do this fairly.

It might happen that its different shipments of course. But when collecting shipment cost for all chips to burnin this would mean an even bigger workload. Sending invoices, checking the payments, marking payments and so on. I have good experience with offering escrow donation based. So i think it will work out. Its not that the costs would be too high anyway.
Of course i hope all batches will come in one rush or at least in 2. Its ok... i mean i have chips in the batches too and want them to assemble with burnin. So its a compromise between work, cost and time...

I can only speak for myself and not the others, but there is no sense for you to donate anything. Thanks for your intentions, but in the opening post is stated that everyone pays for his shipping + 10 US$ handling fee, and we all agreed to it prior to buying. It's more than enough that you are glued to your screen and couldn't travel to your holidays like the rest of us. You have to consider that there are very large chance that chips won't come together, so it is highly possible for you to deliver six times to burnin. I suggest that you calculate expenses and divide it proportionally to everyone whose chips you are carrying based on the number of chips or whatever other logic you consider appropriate.

Yes, till now there is no one shipping to sensei, but someone asked me for the costs today. It might be that there will be another one.

@a2offrb... i tend to use ICE-Train. Its probably cheaper to order the ticket in internet than renting a car. Of course i would have much luggage but i would not need to drive personally.

The first column are the chips count... that means it will be 40000 chips nearly for burnin in total. We have 5 batches plus 6000 chips from he sixth batch. Total of 56000 chips. But i would need to collect 5 batches, which would probably translate into 7 boxes like the one shown in the pictures. Only assuming all batches are coming in one shipment.

Like i said, i wont demand shipping costs for all chips going to burnin since i will bring my own chips to him too and i would probably have more work collecting the shipping cost. So ill let it donationbased.

Only for the other shipments i have to see what buyers want. I mean i cant pay dhl express all over the world that costs often around 70€ for so many addresses.

If about 70% of chips going to Burnin, it mean 7000 chips=350 miners.
If you ask for any friend for a car and drive it(with assumption that Burnin lives in 350kilometers from you)  - it will take about 9 hours and about 56 litres of
petrol(8l/100).
If you take about 50€ for driving and 100€ for petrol it will be 2,33€ per 20 chips miner, it will save about 1-2 days
9GH miner mine 0,13 BTC /day now. Even half of that will be more than 2,33€/miner.

So i think it is good idea to drive them, but not so good idea to rent a car for it(also depends of cost).

If you are going by train/bus - 7000/2600(chips in box)= 3 box. Not so much.

i think that if costs will be about 2-3€/miner and it will save 2 days - its ok. If costs will be 10€/miner and we save 1 day - no reason.

Its pure calculation about worth it or not.

I am +1 for driving chips to Burnin by car/train/bus/bicycle/wheelchair - anything that is faster than post.
Do not choose wheelchair, please  

Is that all batches? because I asked to have a few sent to sensei in batch2 but you list him as getting nothing...?

I now checked out the shipping possibilities i have for the chips. First the actual list of targets for the chips:


You see its a bit less chips that want to be shipped to burnin than i thought before and more with private addresses.

Since the only things now have to happen are to receive the chips, collect the customs VAT if needed, collect the shipping cost and ship the chips i thought a bit how things can be handled faster.

Burnin is the biggest chunk and he lives not far from me. So i thought when the chips arrive at the import company i most probably will collect the chips there and it would be the fastest way to bring those chips directly to burnin. Its more secure instead shipping and its faster. It might cost more depending on how i travel around. Maybe i rent a car or use train(ICE)/intercity bus.

I would save me the hassle to collect shipping cost for all chips that go to burnin. If someone wants he could donate a bit into the donation yar in my signature.

For all other targets i have to ship the chips. And since the prices and delivery time are very different i need a feedback from them what option they want to use.

I would start tomorrow to send out emails to those with different targets showing them the options they have. Maybe i offer to pay now so there is some time to pay.

If the shipping costs could be done before the chips ship it would be an advantage in case the chips dont need a high custom vat. Then i could pick up and ship the chips very fast. And the import company would be happy too when they dont have to collect the shipping cost on top.

Any objections?

Avalon order #10369 aka SebastianJu's batch 3 is now 10 weeks old. Batch 4 soon to follow next monday.

thank you! sending my receiver name now.. i will have to work fast to make these boards feasibly return some profit.. if not it will be a fun learning experience and I will be logging and sharing every step i make.. so if this works it works and we can all enjoy it for however long it lasts..

thanks to bcdev as well who has previously worked on this project and has given me great advise! and i have no life so you will be hearing from me indeed!

keep up the good work SebastianJu!

Im not a pro but it sounds like you know what you want to do. So before this single chip is wasted i will send it to you.
I got your address but im sure the address needs a receiver name if it should not be stopped by customs. If you send it to me ill ship the chip.

very nice plaans hope it works out for, maybe we can rid ourselves of these vapourware companies

Thanks for the quick reply!

I plan to very much work the same way as bcdev and many others creating "small scale" Avalon board projects. Here is a great thread if you are interested in this as well!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/klondike-16-chip-asic-open-source-board-preliminary-190731

In fact if anyone would like to get a hold of me, I would like to share my experience in creating a SIMPLE data mining rig.  I have been researching and practicing home etching and it's really fun! I have been experimenting with mixtures of ferric chloride & hot water to etch marker drawn designs into PCB board. After you have studied specs like Klondike has been kind enough to release.  There are 307 small parts in Klondikes design and I plan to make very clear information on where to get and how to assemble those parts so it doesn't seem too confusing to those new to creating boards like myself. I will make youtube videos that explicitly deal with etching PCB's for home mining rigs.  

Really this is the key here... I know that Avalon makes their communication protocols open source and I plan to work extremely diligently on cleaning up those protocols for the open source community =D. And unfortunately portions of the FPGA bit stream protocol are still licensed from my understanding, but in the future we will need to translate and upload bill of materials as well as clean up protocol.  I would love to offer this as my service here as well.

I will open an appropriate thread here soon even without the kindness of sending me an experimental chip to send power through.. as this stuff is fun for me to do and anyone can! Plus we have to wait for the protocols so might as well start understanding how the power flows on the PCB =D

Hope this answers some questions.. there will be many more to come!

*EDIT*

Here is a good thread to watch if you are interested in using Avalon Technology to create your own mining rigs.. we shall see if they make good on the open source. Lets get our boards ready anyway.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-isnt-avalon-asic-open-source-hardware-159401

AND here is another thread from a user trying to work out a DIY board.. there are many challenges but it seems we can do this! Stay Tuned!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=161715.280


Regards

In order to get it it would be good to explain what you can give the community, for example you will make your design open source or offer an assembly service or similar. And you should explain a bit your technical plans. Im not someone who can judge your plans but others will understand.

If you look serious you give me your address and i send it to you for free.

Thanks for all of your work SebastianJu...btw!

I am interested in that one sample chip that may have fallen of the back of a truck in China =D.  I am a new developer and I have been doing my research on the klondike specs as well as trying to get in touch with a few other open source devs! I would love to have one to experiment on while i gather the funds and wait for your next batch to be ready.. which i will assuredly be ordering from if you are continuing this awesomeness =D

I will be opening up my own thread as well to explain my project journey from start to completion.. I have not and will not be using any companies or professional etching equipment whatsoever.. this is a pure heart and soul project and I am excited to share what I learn with all of you!

Regards!