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legendary
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September 21, 2024, 03:57:10 AM
Currently, the hosting fees paid by Civilisations, or more accurately by the "group" (such as a political party, royal family, dictator, triumvirate of dictators, senate, internal affairs department of a democracy or whatever) controlling or seeking control of the Civilisation, are not required to be paid using GRouPcoin.

So evidently the lobbying to convince General Hosting Corp to insist on being paid in GRouPcoins did not succeed.

I do not recall the details so am not sure currently whether that failure hinged simply upon there not seeming to be enough GRouPcoins "in the game" for it to be practical to use them for that purpose.

There is a thread in the Altcoin DIscussions section if anyone wishes to follow up on that.

-MarkM-


As you might or might not already be aware, General Holding Corp administers the interface between the Galactic Milieu and the underlying bandwidth, hosting, software development and so on that the game runs on.

A large part of the Corp's income is the fee per square mile that Freeciv scale civilisations are charged for the privilege of running a civilisation.

In casting about for some way to rationalise this "hosting etc" cost in game terms, the idea of having it be a cost incurred by the ruling political party, aka the government, rather than the civilisation being ruled, was somehow hit upon.

The idea here is that the accrued backlog of fees incurred by a nation that lies idle for many game-turns would cripple the nation if it was an expense incurred by the nation itself rather than by those who wouldst fain govern that nation.

Doing it this way means that the nation can continue to stumble along itself thanks to the "artificial intelligence" provided by the Freeciv software, without any worries about paying the fee.

Meanwhile though the task of getting one's political party (such as the Royalist Party, the Despotism Party, the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, the Fundamentalism Party or even, if such a thing exists, the Anarchism Party) into power in that nation would become more and more daunting, thanks to the continued amassing of these fees plus the interest charged on outstanding fees.

So the upshot is that ultimately the hosting fees for hosting the Freeciv based worlds are being charged to groups, specifically the type of group that is known as a Party, as in a Political Party.

With this in mind, it is proposed that we tie these fees to GRouPcoin.

Initially the fees will continue to be computed in the same way they always have been, which is to say, in terms of "units of Deuterium", as listed at

http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/deuterium.html

So far it has been customary to allow these fees to be paid in any of the listed currencies, since of course Deuterium itself is a resource that exists in galaxies far far away and thus is not actually available, at least not in significant quantities as a commodity resource, among the Freeciv worlds.

(In fact technically that Deuterium pricelist page does not refer to the isotope itself wherever it may be found but, rather, to delivered units of it delivered to depots located among a certain set of Galaxies Far Far Away.)

However the plan is to first move to insisting that the hosting fee be paid in GRouPcoin, and then possibly, later, to computing it in the first place in terms of GRouPcoin instead of in terms of Deuterium.

Basically we convert Freeciv scale (terrain tiles 100 miles by 100 miles in size or thereabouts) into OpenSimulator scale ("Regions" 256x256 metres) by generously allowing a square mile to be represented by a four by four block of "Regions", thus 16 "Regions" to the square mile, which is where the factor of 16 comes from that leads to the hosting fee being 1.6 units of Deuterium per "square mile".

Political Parties thus pay thousands of thousands of units of Deuterium per real life month to control a large civilisation.

This could thus have a decent impact upon the perceived value, thus the price per coin, of GRouPcoin.

It should be noted, for Parties who might consider taking control of large civilisations, that of course the more shares one owns of General Holding Corp the less of a burden these fees might appear. Smiley

One little detail remains to be looked into though, which is whether there even exist enough liquid GRouPcoins to enable them to work for paying fees? Are there enough in circulation that it is practical for folks to be paying many millions of units of Deuterium worth of them every month? What will General Holding Corp need to do with them in order to ensure the coins taken in get back into circulation to be used again the next month to pay the recurring fees again? Hmm... Maybe in light of that thought it is a good thing that GRouPcoins continue to be minted at a constant rate?

-MarkM-

legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1090
May 10, 2021, 05:51:12 PM
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1090
May 10, 2021, 05:48:32 PM

Do you still have a node running? I cannot seem to find any connections using the aforementioned nodes.


Yes, try LFM.knotwork.com aka Makemoney.knotwork.com (currently both the same machine but maybe when I get another server set up I'll move one of those names to the new server). From that node you should get told about any others that happen to be up.

-MarkM-
hero member
Activity: 994
Merit: 500
June 11, 2020, 12:31:32 AM
See also my Horizon and Stellar assets lists at http://makemoney.knotwork.com/

-MarkM-


Do you still have a node running? I cannot seem to find any connections using the aforementioned nodes.
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1090
May 24, 2018, 07:11:31 AM
See also my Horizon and Stellar assets lists at http://makemoney.knotwork.com/

-MarkM-
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1090
January 13, 2018, 11:50:32 PM
In case anyone did not know, this coin is still running, and has been all along.

It is one of the assets traded on the Digitalis Open Transactions Server, so historic tables can be found at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/digitalisassets.html

It is in fact one of the assets in terms of which other assets values are shown in those tables.

NOTE that its symbol is GRP, and it is NOT to be confused with the johnny-come-lately GRC that idiotically used the same name ("groupcoin") without, evidently, checking whether the name was already in use.

To help folks interested in trading it I am issuing an asset named GRP on the Stellar network.

To utilise it set up a line of trust for the asset name GRP and issuing account GBHAQ252S4Z4AQOM4BWIRC3UHAOJIKCZQBUJGD336YH2O7W2NKRXMHA5

If your list of peers is out of date, addnode dvcstable01.dvcnode.org should enable you to get updated node addresses.

If you need source code for GRouPcoin you can download it through http://LFM.knotwork.com

-MarkM-

legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1090
December 08, 2016, 06:43:41 PM
I think the ANN section of these forums did not exist way back when.

Also I believe it was probably announced in a DeVCoin development thread as it was created during the initial phase of DeVCoin development when we were looking for ways to divide minting among groups of people. Once we figured out how, that feature was moved into DeVCoin and GRouPcoin became just a nice simple 50 coins per block forever merged mined SHA256 coin cmerged mined alongside BiTCoin and other such coins.

But I do see this in the announcement section: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/grp-groupcoin-67991

-MarkM-
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1010
Professional Native Greek Translator (2000+ done)
July 24, 2016, 08:34:32 AM
I have applied the BIP-30 patch to groupcoin, latest source code is at

https://sourceforge.net/projects/galacticmilieu/files/GRouPcoin/

It seems we never did get around to applying the merged mining (as aux chain) patches to groupcoin-qt so currently wxWidgets is the only GUI available, it is right in there with the groupcoind in the groupcoin-09-Mar-2012.tgz archive.

-MarkM-


is there an official ann for this coin?
hero member
Activity: 1438
Merit: 574
Always ask questions. #StandWithHongKong
July 24, 2016, 06:51:05 AM
Blockchain stuck - is this coin alive?
sr. member
Activity: 266
Merit: 250
November 15, 2015, 06:21:27 PM
i think you have the wrong coin



this is no ico  / and i would never have anything to do with one


I remember making lots of profits during the ICO of this coin about 3 years ago until the creator came out 2 weeks later stating he had paid a bunch of people to put together the coin and that he couldn't code crap, the rest is history  Roll Eyes

Probably thinking of this one?:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-groupcoin-gpc-new-main-thread-new-developer-825607

I can't find an avatar/icon of this coin anywhere - I'm sure there was one though. Maybe we can set up a bounty for some artistic crypto enthusiast to do their thing...... Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1018
It's about time -- All merrit accepted !!!
November 15, 2015, 06:01:58 PM
i think you have the wrong coin



this is no ico  / and i would never have anything to do with one


I remember making lots of profits during the ICO of this coin about 3 years ago until the creator came out 2 weeks later stating he had paid a bunch of people to put together the coin and that he couldn't code crap, the rest is history  Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1002
October 28, 2015, 01:16:38 AM
I remember making lots of profits during the ICO of this coin about 3 years ago until the creator came out 2 weeks later stating he had paid a bunch of people to put together the coin and that he couldn't code crap, the rest is history  Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1018
It's about time -- All merrit accepted !!!
October 27, 2015, 11:20:27 PM
maybe Mark has a logo to use , if so he can do a pr , or just post it here and I can include it...
sr. member
Activity: 266
Merit: 250
October 25, 2015, 06:17:45 AM
I think I will have time in the next few days to do a few clean up's and fixes to the makeshift client I compiled a few months ago,
if there are any special requests I cannot guarantee I can include put please post here ...... will update if i have any progress....


The daemon runs great, very low resource usage. It would be nice if the QT wallet had it's own insignia instead of the i0coin logo - but I'm not sure I've seen a GRouPcoin logo anywhere.....?

Thanks for offering to work on this cinnamon_carter - it's very much appreciated  Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1018
It's about time -- All merrit accepted !!!
October 25, 2015, 05:22:24 AM
I think I will have time in the next few days to do a few clean up's and fixes to the makeshift client I compiled a few months ago,
if there are any special requests I cannot guarantee I can include put please post here ...... will update if i have any progress....
sr. member
Activity: 266
Merit: 250
August 08, 2015, 07:05:14 AM
Woo hoo, this little bit of news has made an impressive impact, take a look at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/ingroupcoins.html !

-MarkM-


This is good news!  Smiley I've been mining these since I first started on the scene, nice to see GRP finally doing some moves. With regard to weather there are enough GRP in circulation, maybe now is the time to push for a few exchanges? Maybe this would ensure there are adequate amounts available.....?
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1090
August 07, 2015, 11:15:56 PM
Woo hoo, this little bit of news has made an impressive impact, take a look at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/ingroupcoins.html !

-MarkM-
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1090
August 07, 2015, 07:58:30 AM
As you might or might not already be aware, General Holding Corp administers the interface between the Galactic Milieu and the underlying bandwidth, hosting, software development and so on that the game runs on.

A large part of the Corp's income is the fee per square mile that Freeciv scale civilisations are charged for the privilege of running a civilisation.

In casting about for some way to rationalise this "hosting etc" cost in game terms, the idea of having it be a cost incurred by the ruling political party, aka the government, rather than the civilisation being ruled, was somehow hit upon.

The idea here is that the accrued backlog of fees incurred by a nation that lies idle for many game-turns would cripple the nation if it was an expense incurred by the nation itself rather than by those who wouldst fain govern that nation.

Doing it this way means that the nation can continue to stumble along itself thanks to the "artificial intelligence" provided by the Freeciv software, without any worries about paying the fee.

Meanwhile though the task of getting one's political party (such as the Royalist Party, the Despotism Party, the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, the Fundamentalism Party or even, if such a thing exists, the Anarchism Party) into power in that nation would become more and more daunting, thanks to the continued amassing of these fees plus the interest charged on outstanding fees.

So the upshot is that ultimately the hosting fees for hosting the Freeciv based worlds are being charged to groups, specifically the type of group that is known as a Party, as in a Political Party.

With this in mind, it is proposed that we tie these fees to GRouPcoin.

Initially the fees will continue to be computed in the same way they always have been, which is to say, in terms of "units of Deuterium", as listed at

http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/deuterium.html

So far it has been customary to allow these fees to be paid in any of the listed currencies, since of course Deuterium itself is a resource that exists in galaxies far far away and thus is not actually available, at least not in significant quantities as a commodity resource, among the Freeciv worlds.

(In fact technically that Deuterium pricelist page does not refer to the isotope itself wherever it may be found but, rather, to delivered units of it delivered to depots located among a certain set of Galaxies Far Far Away.)

However the plan is to first move to insisting that the hosting fee be paid in GRouPcoin, and then possibly, later, to computing it in the first place in terms of GRouPcoin instead of in terms of Deuterium.

Basically we convert Freeciv scale (terrain tiles 100 miles by 100 miles in size or thereabouts) into OpenSimulator scale ("Regions" 256x256 metres) by generously allowing a square mile to be represented by a four by four block of "Regions", thus 16 "Regions" to the square mile, which is where the factor of 16 comes from that leads to the hosting fee being 1.6 units of Deuterium per "square mile".

Political Parties thus pay thousands of thousands of units of Deuterium per real life month to control a large civilisation.

This could thus have a decent impact upon the perceived value, thus the price per coin, of GRouPcoin.

It should be noted, for Parties who might consider taking control of large civilisations, that of course the more shares one owns of General Holding Corp the less of a burden these fees might appear. Smiley

One little detail remains to be looked into though, which is whether there even exist enough liquid GRouPcoins to enable them to work for paying fees? Are there enough in circulation that it is practical for folks to be paying many millions of units of Deuterium worth of them every month? What will General Holding Corp need to do with them in order to ensure the coins taken in get back into circulation to be used again the next month to pay the recurring fees again? Hmm... Maybe in light of that thought it is a good thing that GRouPcoins continue to be minted at a constant rate?

-MarkM-
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1090
July 02, 2015, 12:42:08 PM
Ok then lets move GeistGeld discussion to GeistGeld's thread then...

-MarkM-
sr. member
Activity: 266
Merit: 250
July 01, 2015, 10:55:37 PM

Code:
[core]
        repositoryformatversion = 0
        filemode = true
        bare = false
        logallrefupdates = true
[remote "origin"]
        url = https://github.com/rsnel/geistgeld.git
        fetch = +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/*
[branch "geistgeld_dirty_fix"]
        remote = origin
        merge = refs/heads/geistgeld_dirty_fix

Yup, that's the same as mine, so at least I'm using the right one.

The main problem I have with p2pool that isc specific to GeistGeld is that until I get GeistGeld's difficulty high enough p2pool makes so many requests to it so fast that the operating system runs out of connection handles, then p2pool cannot open connections to anything.

Exactly what I'm experiencing too.

This would be solved of course if umpteen people all merged it.

Maybe a synchronized mining start would solve this?  Cheesy It never occurred to me to try cpu mining it actually.........interesting.
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