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Topic: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide [1st Feb 2016] - page 11. (Read 131512 times)

legendary
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I've written endless times that we won't take preorders on our 3rd gen.

But by your own admission, you require additional funding in order to make that happen. So your business model hasn't yet been proven to be able to support non preorders. +many more NDA'ed things I want to say.
WTF it has to do with the fact that we don't take preorders now?
We have took preorders for over 4 months.

Your thread is misleading and hurt our business.

Quote from: dogie
Preorders?
Preorders are extremely bad for the industry and put all the financial risk on the buyer. This criterion does not act as a snapshot, but a longer term (both past and future) "does
this company engage in preorders". A company who's business model relies on preorders to fund development and new generations is still considered to utilise preorders even if
they intermediately sell some products from stock. Transitional scores may be used when companies have promised the exclusion of preorders but have yet to prove their business model can operate without them.

1) You're business model has not been proven to support non preorders
2) You're business model - by your own admission - can not support preorders without further investment... +NDA'ed stuff
3) Therefore until its proven [and in your case you raise investment], you get a transitional score.
donator
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Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
I didn't "make you sign NDA". You didn't object signing the NDA.
We have private dispute which I don't see what it has to do with this thread., at all.

Stop BS-ing and fix our rating. If we'll take preorders again, change it immediately back.

In order to have the full information, I had to sign that NDA. And no you didn't force me to but I wouldn't have been doing my job if I didn't find out. What I am complaining about though is the terms of the NDA - that it doesn't expire and there is no reasonable clause to break it. I don't sign NDA's in that form any more.

And you're not willing to let me void it, right?
No.
I don't trust you at all. Our public dispute here demonstrate why.
donator
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Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
Guy you're wasting your time. Unless you pay Dogie, he's not going to give you the same preferential treatment as Bitmain.
I know. Still, customers read this thread and get wrong information. It effects our business.
The right thing for Dogie to do is to give us the right score.
I've written endless times that we won't take preorders on our 3rd gen.

But by your own admission, you require additional funding in order to make that happen. So your business model hasn't yet been proven to be able to support non preorders. +many more NDA'ed things I want to say.
WTF it has to do with the fact that we don't take preorders now?
We didn't took preorders for over 4 months.

Your thread is misleading and hurt our business.
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1185
dogiecoin.com
I didn't "make you sign NDA". You didn't object signing the NDA.
We have private dispute which I don't see what it has to do with this thread., at all.

Stop BS-ing and fix our rating. If we'll take preorders again, change it immediately back.

In order to have the full information, I had to sign that NDA. And no you didn't force me to but I wouldn't have been doing my job if I didn't find out. What I am complaining about though is the terms of the NDA - that it doesn't expire and there is no reasonable clause to break it. I don't sign NDA's in that form any more.

And you're not willing to let me void it, right?
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1185
dogiecoin.com
Guy you're wasting your time. Unless you pay Dogie, he's not going to give you the same preferential treatment as Bitmain.
I know. Still, customers read this thread and get wrong information. It effects our business.
The right thing for Dogie to do is to give us the right score.
I've written endless times that we won't take preorders on our 3rd gen.

But by your own admission, you require additional funding in order to make that happen. So your business model hasn't yet been proven to be able to support non preorders. +many more NDA'ed things I want to say.
donator
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1051
Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
Guy you're wasting your time. Unless you pay Dogie, he's not going to give you the same preferential treatment as Bitmain.

And I provided preferential treatment how?

He is (implying a )threat you that if you keep asking about it he will lower your score on ethical. (Kinda shitty dogie, how about ethical stay based on how they treat customers and not how they post in your threads?)

That's not what I'm saying or implying. Refer you back to the NDA part and why I can't explain what I'm actually talking about in public.
Says more than I can figure.

No idea what that means
What it means is that you've set up NDA's about ratings and they're affecting what you can or do, since I have no more information than that just saying you have an NDA says more than I can figure. It could mean you're giving special treatment or they did wrong shit and you can't say it but I have no clue because you signed paperwork.

Ah right. tldr:

1) Guy made me sign an NDA, something I did so I could get the full information on why their preorder of SP30 went south in order to fairly rate them.
2) Unfortunately, that NDA has no expiry time nor any reasonable basis for me to break it.
3) That means that I can't release information on detailed explanations of some ratings without adding liability due to the presence of that NDA.

I would happily void that NDA if Guy would allow it, but I highly doubt he will.
I didn't "make you sign NDA". You didn't object signing the NDA.
We have private dispute which I don't see what it has to do with this thread., at all.

Stop BS-ing and fix our rating. If we'll take preorders again, change it immediately back.
donator
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1051
Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
Guy you're wasting your time. Unless you pay Dogie, he's not going to give you the same preferential treatment as Bitmain.
I know. Still, customers read this thread and get wrong information. It effects our business.
The right thing for Dogie to do is to give us the right score.
I've written endless times that we won't take preorders on our 3rd gen.
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1185
dogiecoin.com
Guy you're wasting your time. Unless you pay Dogie, he's not going to give you the same preferential treatment as Bitmain.

And I provided preferential treatment how?

He is (implying a )threat you that if you keep asking about it he will lower your score on ethical. (Kinda shitty dogie, how about ethical stay based on how they treat customers and not how they post in your threads?)

That's not what I'm saying or implying. Refer you back to the NDA part and why I can't explain what I'm actually talking about in public.
Says more than I can figure.

No idea what that means
What it means is that you've set up NDA's about ratings and they're affecting what you can or do, since I have no more information than that just saying you have an NDA says more than I can figure. It could mean you're giving special treatment or they did wrong shit and you can't say it but I have no clue because you signed paperwork.

Ah right. tldr:

1) Guy made me sign an NDA, something I did so I could get the full information on why their preorder of SP30 went south in order to fairly rate them.
2) Unfortunately, that NDA has no expiry time nor any reasonable basis for me to break it.
3) That means that I can't release information on detailed explanations of some ratings without adding liability due to the presence of that NDA.

I would happily void that NDA if Guy would allow it, but I highly doubt he will.
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1185
dogiecoin.com
Guy you're wasting your time. Unless you pay Dogie, he's not going to give you the same preferential treatment as Bitmain.

And I provided preferential treatment how?

He is (implying a )threat you that if you keep asking about it he will lower your score on ethical. (Kinda shitty dogie, how about ethical stay based on how they treat customers and not how they post in your threads?)

That's not what I'm saying or implying. Refer you back to the NDA part and why I can't explain what I'm actually talking about in public.
Says more than I can figure.

No idea what that means
hero member
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Guy you're wasting your time. Unless you pay Dogie, he's not going to give you the same preferential treatment as Bitmain.
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1185
dogiecoin.com
He is (implying a )threat you that if you keep asking about it he will lower your score on ethical. (Kinda shitty dogie, how about ethical stay based on how they treat customers and not how they post in your threads?)

That's not what I'm saying or implying. Refer you back to the NDA part and why I can't explain what I'm actually talking about in public.


Thank you for thw comparison.
It's gen3, not gen2.

You both have a transitional rating in that category, that's not saying you are BFL.
donator
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Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
Updated to February 2015, lots of changes (see the notes here).
And again you unjustifiably mark as us with pre-orders.
It does seem a bit unfair, when Bitmain used pre-orders on the L1 and ethics for their hashnest price spikes when the btc prices raises.
It's true that BMT used pre-orders more recently than us, but I'm protesting OUR unjustifiable mark for the last 3 months.
Customers are getting WRONG data and we need to explain this BS to a lot of worried customers.

Don't get started on this again, we've been through this a billion times before. You're more likely to pick up an ethical infraction than have the preorder category prematurely changed.
Everytime you'll wrongly score us I'll post about it.
I don't understand the rest of your comment.

First part:
Nothing has changed since last time and it was discussed in detail then. The criteria for going to "No" was set out and you have not yet fulfilled it, and neither has BFL. Therefore the score remains the same until you release gen 2.
Second part:
I can't discuss it in public unless you void my NDA. I hate NDA's, I'm never signing one again in that form.
Thank you for the comparison.
It's gen3, not gen2.
donator
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1051
Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
Updated to February 2015, lots of changes (see the notes here).
And again you unjustifiably mark as us with pre-orders.
It does seem a bit unfair, when Bitmain used pre-orders on the L1 and ethics for their hashnest price spikes when the btc prices raises.
It's true that BMT used pre-orders more recently than us, but I'm protesting OUR unjustifiable mark for the last 3 months.
Customers are getting WRONG data and we need to explain this BS to a lot of worried customers.

Don't get started on this again, we've been through this a billion times before. You're more likely to pick up an ethical infraction than have the preorder category prematurely changed.
Everytime you'll wrongly score us I'll post about it.
I don't understand the rest of your comment.
He is (implying a )threat you that if you keep asking about it he will lower your score on ethical. (Kinda shitty dogie, how about ethical stay based on how they treat customers and not how they post in your threads?)
I'll keep posting about it. I need to explain, few times a week that we have the miners in stock and they're ready to be shipped immediately. He knows about it and still keep the bogus marking.
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1185
dogiecoin.com
Updated to February 2015, lots of changes (see the notes here).
And again you unjustifiably mark as us with pre-orders.
It does seem a bit unfair, when Bitmain used pre-orders on the L1 and ethics for their hashnest price spikes when the btc prices raises.
It's true that BMT used pre-orders more recently than us, but I'm protesting OUR unjustifiable mark for the last 3 months.
Customers are getting WRONG data and we need to explain this BS to a lot of worried customers.

Don't get started on this again, we've been through this a billion times before. You're more likely to pick up an ethical infraction than have the preorder category prematurely changed.
Everytime you'll wrongly score us I'll post about it.
I don't understand the rest of your comment.

First part:
Nothing has changed since last time and it was discussed in detail then. The criteria for going to "No" was set out and you have not yet fulfilled it, and neither has BFL. Therefore the score remains the same until you release gen 2.
Second part:
I can't discuss it in public unless you void my NDA. I hate NDA's, I'm never signing one again in that form.
donator
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1051
Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
Updated to February 2015, lots of changes (see the notes here).
And again you unjustifiably mark as us with pre-orders.
It does seem a bit unfair, when Bitmain used pre-orders on the L1 and ethics for their hashnest price spikes when the btc prices raises.
It's true that BMT used pre-orders more recently than us, but I'm protesting OUR unjustifiable mark for the last 3 months.
Customers are getting WRONG data and we need to explain this BS to a lot of worried customers.

Don't get started on this again, we've been through this a billion times before. You're more likely to pick up an ethical infraction than have the preorder category prematurely changed.
Everytime you'll wrongly score us I'll post about it.
I don't understand the rest of your comment.
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1185
dogiecoin.com
Updated to February 2015, lots of changes (see the notes here).
And again you unjustifiably mark as us with pre-orders.
It does seem a bit unfair, when Bitmain used pre-orders on the L1 and ethics for their hashnest price spikes when the btc prices raises.
It's true that BMT used pre-orders more recently than us, but I'm protesting OUR unjustifiable mark for the last 3 months.
Customers are getting WRONG data and we need to explain this BS to a lot of worried customers.

Don't get started on this again, we've been through this a billion times before. You're more likely to pick up an ethical infraction than have the preorder category prematurely changed.
donator
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1051
Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
Updated to February 2015, lots of changes (see the notes here).
And again you unjustifiably mark as us with pre-orders.
It does seem a bit unfair, when Bitmain used pre-orders on the L1 and ethics for their hashnest price spikes when the btc prices raises.
It's true that BMT used pre-orders more recently than us, but I'm protesting OUR unjustifiable mark for the last 3 months.
Customers are getting WRONG data and we need to explain this BS to a lot of worried customers.
donator
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1051
Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
Updated to February 2015, lots of changes (see the notes here).
And again you unjustifiably mark as us with pre-orders.
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1185
dogiecoin.com
Gratz Dogie. Now Bick is going to like you for sure

Bick hates me regardless of what I do, I didn't invest in his company so now I'm a fraud.
hero member
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Gratz Dogie.
Now Bick is going to like you for sure


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