Topic: Guns - page 7. (Read 22189 times)

The part where I clearly told you that I've addressed the video. I think I said that 3 times already? Fact: you can't read.

Fourth time for the charm?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1070116

Or perhaps you can't?


(which you still haven't addressed, btw )


So, this:

....is a response to this:?



Forgive me, but I don't see how. Especially since you directed that response at nimda.

And you can't read.



My stance on guns: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1069177

Video is ......? I just got dumber by watching it.

That's not going to change anything. The Untied States is based on guns, you know.
It was changing both ways, let this rapper silly dude come to NYC and wave his gun. LOL

You can strap explosives on your body, they do that all the time.
Awesome, your gun would be great to stop that. LOL

Yeah, it's legal in the United States. It's part of our Constitution. You know, the right to bear arms is because that's the last form of defense against tyranny. Not to hunt. It's to protect yourself from the police.
Do you want a tinfoil hat? LOL

And he said police, not criminals.

Ah, thank you. I would like to point out that I said "the first time I mentioned that video," and the original link was posted by Holliday. As you may have noticed, I am not he.


Oh, so you can read. I was beginning to wonder, there. Yes, that is indeed the title of that video. Your argumentation is... well, I can only say I'm stunned you're not a politician, with your grasp of rhetoric. Let me repeat:

And while we're here:

First time mentioned? Oh wow.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1048767

I am done with you, as you can't argue any points and you generally waste my time. So far I consistently beat your arguments.

The video title is: How to stop a massacre.

When you can make a coherent point contact me until then -  I don't argue with fanatics.

Could you quote that post? 'cause... yeah.... I don't see it anywhere. Especially since the first time I mentioned that video was here:

and your first response to that video is here:

So where, pray tell, did you address it? Or are you so desperate to defend your position that you will out and out resort to lying?


Nowhere does it claim to be a massacre. It's a suggestion on how to prevent massacres in the future.


Next time you purport to have facts... have them.


Yes, accidents happen. And when accidents happen, responsible people make their victims whole.

But STILL you do not address the first video I posted!
Here, I'll link it again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-GwIbyp4xBU
Ice-T says we need guns for a reason. What do you say?

I addressed by saying that the guy missed 70-80% of shots, these shots could have killed someone.

Now if he missed and shot some innocent bystander he would be in jail, and rightfully so. This video that was claimed to be a massacre, a blatant lie, doesn't prove anything. I can post hundreds of news articles where children get shot by gun accidents, and that's just accidents and per year.

Next time you call me out, make sure you have hard facts ready.

Here are some innocent people getting shot by someone in self-defense...
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/15154920/detail.html
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2012/05/accused-folklife-festival-gunman-told-officers-that-he-was-sorry-an-innocent-person-was-shot/

It was about 1997 or so.  I was finishing up my contract in the USMC in the active reserves.  I was out of a communications company stationed in Cincinnati, Ohio.  When summertime came and we were scheduled to head to Camp Penalton, California for our "two weeks" (more like three, usually) C130 transports were not available for some strange reason.  So a 737, I believe owned by Delta IIRC, was chartered for our trip out to Cali.  We arrived in full gear as if we were leaving for war, which is how we went anywhere, at the Cincinnati International Airport around 3am.  We walked single file straight off the trucks & busses, right through the metal detectors (while the agent stood by and watched as his panel kept beeping, loudly) without a single one of us saying a word.  There was only one or two families in that wing of the airport at that time of night, and I recall walking past a family sitting on a bench watching us as a little girl about seven was wide eyed and mouth open staring.  They must have thought we really were headed to war.

We were entirely seated in the aircraft when the Captain (of the aircraft) started pitching a fit and ordered us all off the aircraft.  "Get off my plane and unload those rifles!"  So we calmly filed back off, unloaded our magazines from our M16A2's and walked back onto the aircraft with our bolts pulled back so that the Captain himself could see down into our chambers and know that there were no rounds loaded.  When we all got on and seated, we were ordered (in no uncertain terms) by the Captain (over the plane's intercom) to hang our rifles muzzle down on the back of the seat in front of us, and no magazines shall leave our packs much less come anywhere near a rifle.

So, for a few minutes, I was calmly seated onto a commercial aircraft with a loaded "assault rifle", although I was properly in Condition 3.  Can't speak for any of the other rockheads I was on that aircraft with, however.

I have no doubt that the Captain of that aircraft was former military, either.

Care to pop a squat and tell us about it?

OK, just did. Nowhere in there (I went back 4 pages, to before I posted my original video) did I see you reference the statistic:
Average police response time: 6 minutes;
Average CCW draw time 5 seconds.

And that statistic is the core of my argument that rampages stopped by civilians will always have a lower average casualty rate than those stopped by cops.

In fact, - and this should make FirstAscent happy - I can expand that to any criminal action stopped by a civilian will have a lower average casualty rate than one stopped by cops.

Nor, by the way, did I see you reference the first video I posted... Do I really need to post the meme that came from it to get a response out of you people?

Already addressed it. Search my post history if you will.

Not taking that bet...seems like I'd lose.

I'd bet that I'm the only person in this thread that has ever openly carried a loaded firearm onto a commercial aircraft. 

I wish you would quote some damn quiet.

Here's another little video with some simple mathematics in it, that even you should be able to understand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=epZod2qyyN4

And while we're on the subject of videos, why has nobody responded to the Ice-T video in the original post about these stats?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-GwIbyp4xBU

I already addressed it. I can quote quiet few times:

Guns don't reduce or increase crime - no statistics ever conclusively proved it either way. And that's what we're arguing about.

I don't care about guns in general - you can have them, just don't wave in-front of my face. On my property and my businesses you aren't allowed to have guns.

Yes, adults. People who don't call things "retarded", or "gay" as denigrating terms. People who would not be ashamed to speak in front of their mother as they do amongst their peers. People who have enough of a grasp of the English language to thoroughly insult someone without using terms such as "fucktard". Unless I have missed your point entirely, and your use of that term was not meant as an insult, but as an admission? In which case, I retract my admonition, I'm sure your mother would wholeheartedly agree.

Now, if you're done acting your shoe size instead of your age, you could address the first part of my post, ie:

TSA is out of control, no doubt about it. And yes, private owners should set the rules. Though I am not sure who is the owner of the airports in NYC. I think some airlines own some terminals, but in general they are owned by a public (government) corporation  - ny/nj Port authority.

Adults? I had to repeat myself 3 times to you over the course of 3 days to prove that the study is faulty. There are limits to my patience.

I thought about something during dinner re: businesses controlling guns.

Airports and banks are high-risk and require control. In fact in the case of American airports, guns, knives, stump remover, glass bottles, pencil sharpeners, box cutters, etc, even water can be and are banned in multiple sections of the airport and certainly on the plane. And I have nothing against that.

Airports are businesses and shouldn't get special treatment just because they fly planes. There's no place to draw the line, so all businesses should be able to restrict guns on their property. The free market will take care of it soon enough if there's enough demand.

It also means that airports are a defenseless victim zone, so they should have security personnel there. If they don't, I'm gonna take my business elsewhere.

@nimda

Yes, you have a similar stance.

My own answers:

Mandatory certification from a gun club. Negative about the state certification. Mandatory school training.

Opens the person to lawsuits, damages depends if the gun was reported stolen early/properly stored/etc

Private business can set their own rules, vote with your dollar to change them.

I had mandatory training in weapons at age of 14 in my high school. AK-74 and .22 rifles, in college we were trained with AA guns.