Topic: Haasonline Simple Trade Bot For BTCe and Bitstamp[Main topic] - page 59. (Read 416703 times)

@Stephan:
by looking at the depth field it was exactly wht I thought would be nice to be able to be modified by user. In this way you can define if the bit reacts on 2, 3 or 4 signals ?!??? 

Thanks Stephan. This look like the right move. With a known interface and the new capabilities, the real potential of this bot should start to show...

Also, great idea to have the Auto-tune. Will be very useful for initial set-.up.

As for benchmarking and graphs, how far back will we be able to go?

Thanks again,

This new-old interface is hidden in the next release so it can be tested.
If testing it goes well then it shall be added to the release after.

But in new-old interface i dont see Buy Now and  Sell Now buttons. That is not good

I like the comeback of the old design, cool! its also easier because we already are used to it.

That interface looks easier to use. ETA?

It is my job to stay ahead of the requests and to listen to the users. And this is just one of those results:



This is the come-back of the old interface, as it was before. At this moment i have it fully integrated inside the trade server (as prototype), its my plan to offer this interface as an alternative for the web interface. This means you can choose yourself what you want to use. But i need to say, the WinForms interface will NOT support things like the RSS feeds. This interface is really only made to control the trade-bots and a few thing around it. (aka back to basic)


Now i am posting this replay, let me show a few other things i am working on at this moment.

Full integration of the fee costs


Benchmarking at trade-bot level and the last buy and sell prices.


I have shown the "Auto setup" of an indicator before, but this part has grown a little bit more. I also added the indicator signal responce chart for reflection.


Please note: the indicator response chart looks different compared to the trade-bot response chart. An indicator can send continues buy or sell signals as you can see. The trade-bot of course not do this and will only send a buy or sell signal when possible and needed. (pulse based)

I do read all comments, and if possible i will add changes to make improvements. In the beginning i said this software is user-driver and it really is. Of course i can not do everything at the same time, but that does not mean i do not listen. As you see i just try to keep ahead of all possible comments.


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Extra tip:
At this moment the market is moving really fast, i do recommend the usage of a drop-loss safety to make sure your coins are safe. With this safety i was able to make some good profits on the drops myself. I also recommend long therm trading to this moment because of the rapid changes, longer moving averages will smooth out the rapid market movements.

@toxick

+1

No matter what settings I have tried over the last 3 months, different indicators, different combinations, different time periods the bot always buys high and sells low, and exits positions way too early. 

Ive consistently lost money/coins.   Frustrated   

I hate the web interface also.  Waaaaay too "clicky" for my tastes & everything is hidden away under more and more buttons.   All work does seem to have stopped on the old one which im disappointed about.

I agree ( and most of people ) that this bot seems to have a high potential and have some nice features. But this bot have some reability problems and looking before i was unable to maintain it working more than 2-3 day without surprises. Last 2 days my STB was frozen in the middle of cryptocrisis without warning and gave a exception when try to operate it. Before i have the "best before 31 january 2014" problem good for yougurt but bad for software. Today won't start on bitstamp only btc-e. And so on.
I don't plan to expend more on STB upgrade not because i haven't got ROI (Market is bearish)  but mainly because if older STB have reability issues after months of development and fine tunning what is expected about and much more complex new piece software ?

Regards

I am very interested in licensing/purchasing the API and documentation used in this bot.  It would really streamline the development process of a project I am working on.

Thanks!

Long time lurker, first post blah blah..

This bot has been my largest cryptocurrency purchase to date and to be frank, so far it's been a waste of money. I've been using the simple trading bot for quite a while. Never really could make consistent profits and the software itself had lots of quirks. However, I was getting to know my way around the software and was willing to put up with it as I believed things would get sorted over time.

However development on that has now more or less stopped and we're onto the trading server. Well tbh I find it unusable. The UI is an absolute nightmare to navigate around. So much so that I've given up using it. I paid for the 0.05 upgrade but I would imagine anyone paying 0.45btc for it, is going to be very very disappointed. It is in no way ready to be released.

I also would like to echo what's being said.. Please stop adding things before the basics are fixed. However some sort of benchmarking tool is absolutely necessary, bots pretty useless without it. I understand your working on this but this 'autotune' feature again sounds overly complicated. I honestly wish you had stuck to the simple trading bot and just made that as rock solid as possible.

I appreciate your hard work on this but remember people are paying a lot of money for this bot and do expect a reasonable product.

Stephan, I have been following your work for a while and have been a customer for some months. But this new update, even though it has tons of potential, I think is just not cooked yet...

- You can't have a trading tool without powerful backtesting (not hours, but days, weeks, months!). Backtesting is how you streamline your indicators and how you find the power of combining them. What happened last hour or two is just not enough data to create powerful bots!
- You can't have a web interface with graphics that won't even load 90% of the time.
- You can't have settings that, once saved, go back to the default position. That is confusing as hell.
- You can't make the navigation difficult. Right now the hiding menu and the constant clicking and saving is just not very useful.

I think there is HUGE potential in this tool, It's a leap forward from the previous trader. But I would strongly recommend you to stop and make it really useful before you do any new indicators, features, exchanges or anything. Only through strong usability you can really unlock the potential of your tool.

Thanks,

my best addition to all this;

One setting that works in one market will not work in another when the market changes.  Looking at Bitcoin charts sometimes seems like just lines at times.  But there is something more to them.  They are patterns.  When learning how to use the bot it is about learning how to use the indicators.  When and which ones to use for what the market conditions are.  I'm no wizard at this.  A good trader is someone who can see behind all these numbers & Indicators

-learn how the bot program works
-learn what the indicators do (the important one) 
 come up with a learning strategy.  .01 bitcoin account is good at this.  Work with one indicator and fully understand how it reacts with price
 movements.
-have a collection of strategies that work in different markets.  Spot a market then employ your strategy.  There are all kind of markets but i think there are 3 main ones.  Up, sideways, and down.  (Notice I am just a novice.  I'm still all new to this stuff)  Thats when you graduate and become successful trader.

 
My trading have been put on hold till Steph finishes up with his back-testing.  I too am on the side of 'No new features to spend more time polishing program up'  It will take us years to master the tools he's given  us.

A side question;
How did everyone do on Sunday's Flash crash?  I been out of the market with my coins in my computer.  I slept through it so missed it completely.  Pretty amazing.  Wish I caught just half of that crash 

I have faith in me learning how to trade.  My first coin I brought I am very happy how it happened.

Papasmurf,

Yes I understand what you are saying.

To be fair I will try settings as you have suggested to see how that works for me.

I really want this to work.  But so far it keeps failing for me.

I setup another bot with your settings on a 0.01 BTC account.

Thank you

SmokedMolex, I understand .
That is why we have this open forum discussions. As I say. It didn't do me bad yet so I am currently on the other side as you can see above.
Of course still far away from the money or so called BTC I spend for it to have my ROI.
I am tuning from here and have parallel same indicators with other settings running to see how the signals react. Once I find some suitable signals I try them. I didn't pay for the advanced version yet since I want to make the coins for being able to pay the other half BTC for it. Yes you are right it is a lot of coin for the software. However I assume that Stephan is trying best to provide updates and I hope for you that at least the software is doing what it is supposed to do. But face it , its trading right? 

When you go to Cryptotrader you pay as well 180 per 6 or 35 per month so for a year or 2 it will be same.
All the other open source software you need to have some programming skills and code the indicators by yourself. I tried so far about 8 different bots plus time to figure out how to command them and lost more coins then even trading manually.  I am not good in trading manually so the bot do me better then I to myself  lol

Yes you are right, the software needs some improvement.
Personally I liked the old interface and think that could have been adjusted with the options available now. I still use the old one but that is not sufficient at all. I couldn't make really positive trades with it.

Again set your limits low and try, I am certain the basic settings with one indicator Storch or PPO alone should do on uptrends some good moves already. Then step by step adjust to your needs. I have the bot installed on one of my mining rigs and only survey once a day with if needed some adjustments when it gets stuck and I am not patient cause I am scared that it will not reach the same position soon. Selfcontrol is needed

Btw. my LTC USD pair is moving good on 15min chart with no issues while the Cryptsy charts ares et between 1 and 3 minutes.

Keep in mind as well that one setting for one trading pair will 100% not work for another trading pair. the best APi connections I had with Cryptsy and BTCE. Cryptsy does plenty maintenance and cut of connections in between, I hope that will be solved soon.

Trying again

@ Smoked Molex:
lol I feel your frustration. I am sry. when you really have this funny complications as described. So far I can not confirm your issues and it seems that maybe something is fundamentally wrong with your installation of the bot or your computer. 

Again, I was critical as you way back and you can see my comments and complaints early this topic. However, as said my bot is trading profitable and I am not doing a defensive statement to HTS. I see what I see and that was trying all kind of bots out there by programming them myself and getting no favorable results. Further I always traded small amounts since I didn't want to loose the little I made or have in here.
Of course it is as you say Vegas time because the market is highly manipulated. Look just into the dip down of BTC/USD to 145 yesterday, guess why that is happening. Guess why BTC is currently so flatline that even a 23/43 2hr MACD can not handle buy low/sell high as it did in the past very nice. There are only a couple exchanges out and a couple trading platforms like cryptotrader. Guess what the people who own do in order to program their trading software and where they get all the codes from that their site has to avoid to happen?  Did you ever trade on BTCe with MT4, try to place an order and watch what the server is doing. Place an bot on MT4 and watch what the price is doing.
What do you think is does mean when the bold big numbers as BTC pop up and set their trades high and low as they want, yes that is the website owners trading software fooling the people into stupidiness. At the end either you are lucky with one big trade or you are patient with many small but make steady profit or you also can loose all.

If there would be the ultimate bot out there I wouldn't share it and further I would like to see the code the trading software is running on BTCe/MTGox and all of them.

No offense SmokedMolex but life is sometimes tough.  When you loose in a casino your money you wouldn't complain either or?

Happy trading and let us know when you have the perfect settings so we can try them out as well.

BTCe LTC USD
Exchange: BTCe
Currency: LtcUsd
Activated: True
Trade-amount: 2
Coin-position: Sold
Trades made: 5
Last profit: 0.8598 Usd
Total profit: 0.919798 Usd
Bot signal: Stay
Last buy price: 16.78 Usd
Last sell price: 17.2099 Usd

Cryptsy Dodge BTC
Exchange: Cryptsy
Currency: DogeBtc
Activated: True
Trade-amount: 30000
Coin-position: Sold
Trades made: 13
Last profit: 0.00540000 Btc
Total profit: 0.01500000 Btc
Bot signal: Stay
Last buy price: 0.00000214 Btc
Last sell price: 0.00000232 Btc

Cryptsy Dodge LTC
Exchange: Cryptsy
Currency: DogeLtc
Activated: True
Trade-amount: 30000
Coin-position: Sold
Trades made: 11
Last profit: 0.10410000 Ltc
Total profit: 0.33690000 Ltc

FR: Alarm for trading bots that are not trading for X days. Alarm send an email to selected email address.

When setting the bots up on the server.

Is there a way to set the chart timer for the whole bot for default settings?

How does the logic behind the timers work?

For example I want a 15 minute chart in one bot because I am trading that period, 30 in the next and 60 in the other.

Should I set my MACD timer to reflect this or should I leave it at the default 1/2 minute timer?

Same thing with all other indicators?  Should their timers match the chart periods that you would like to trade?

If you use any charting software and you click on any time period you can automatically see every detail for that period and all indicators based on that time period.  All the timers and logica are set in the background for you.  Understanding how this works in HTS is key to understanding the building of bots that work.

Thanks.

In the HTS there is a button on the configuration page to clear the last bought/sold and statistics data.  I'm not sure if it is a wholesale sweep or a triggered mechanism.  I've not gotten that far yet.