I put above after your post "I would put myself in curious people. If they were the right price I would buy to try one. But the prices don't work with my figures. Just like the Ares you can get 3x of another brand for around the same price."
So no I am not tied into hashcoins, I would love to try one of their miners but as of right now they don't make sense compared to other miner options.
For example
Apollo V3 1.1 TH/s - $749
Not much better then the old A1's on efficiency and just a little more power then them. The A1's you can find around 1 BTC. Approx $550 dollars cheaper.
Zeus V3 4.5 TH/s - $2999 USD
It's been month's and we have not seen a single one of these (that I know of).
S5- 340 each times 4 =1360 + psu's and you get the 4.5 TH for around half of a Zeus.
Uranus 6TH/s - $3299 USD (Pre-Order)
Nothing like it on market, no proof. It's nearing shipping time of end of Q1 2015.
Scrypt
Ares 256 MH/s for $3499 USD
AlcheMiner 256 MH/s $999 each. So 3x for cheaper.
Those are financial reasons I went other brands.