HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s - page 467.

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Quote from: Micky25 on November 05, 2013, 02:30:16 PM

Quote from: ImI on November 05, 2013, 10:16:43 AM

Quote from: winit on November 05, 2013, 09:57:33 AM

Predictions for today's announcement?

Batch 1 to start shipping 25th Nov

33% = there will be no announcement
33% = starting to ship #1 25th Nov
33% = starting to ship in december
1% = i dunno

100% NO announcement

Why? Because the teachings of Yifu/Avalon say so:

1. During phase 6 "Delay, Smoke and Mirrors" of our little game, your customers should already been fallen in slight despair and cry for a lawyer.
2. Stay calm, no lawyer will delve into such a clusterfuck! Release the shielding shill. He will take the blows while you feed him with nonsense to communicate to the sheeps.
3. Build up false hopes by letting him announce announcements, then dive away for a couple of days AFTER the planed announcement date. DO NOT announce anything (because there isn't anything to announce anyways, lol)!
4. In the meantime, attract more sheeps with the money of the "valued ("we want our customers to succeed")-1st batch customers" (which are, by the way, obviously arseraped the hardest, as always)

Sooner or later companies like bfl / avalon / hasfast (maybe) will steal money from the wrong person.
It will be all over the net " CEO of (insert scamming company here) was found in a ditch with a bullet upside the head"

Taco ask hashfast what part of the asic is being developed in Australia and what the ABN/ACN number of the company is.
Also remind John under Australian Consumer Law no Australian company can refuse to give out their ABN/ACN number, it also cant be hidden by an NDA.
Id ask myself but my emails get ignored.

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I hate my family

Patiently waiting until Nov 15th. Better have some good news then.

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Quote from: chrono030 on November 05, 2013, 02:55:10 PM

Man, this thread is full of despair. I really hope for the best for you folks that have sunk a lot of money into this cluster. This type of thing is very bad for bitcoin in general. It is too bad there isn't some sort of mechanism where customers have some kind of recourse with teeth that the suppliers fear (e.g. chargebacks). I suppose that is one luxury we forego with the low processing fees. Although, I suppose it does allow for new ~~business ventures~~ scams to emerge.

ftfy

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Man, this thread is full of despair. I really hope for the best for you folks that have sunk a lot of money into this cluster. This type of thing is very bad for bitcoin in general. It is too bad there isn't some sort of mechanism where customers have some kind of recourse with teeth that the suppliers fear (e.g. chargebacks). I suppose that is one luxury we forego with the low processing fees. Although, I suppose it does allow for new business ventures to emerge.

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You know my choice.

paranoidx

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Well, we got 2 options.

1. Wait and accept that our money is lost possibly receiving our miners in the future with a very high negative ROI.
2. Stand together, complain to the FTC, lawyer up, and hold them accountable for not keeping their promises.

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Quote from: cleartime on November 05, 2013, 02:34:56 PM

So the only suggestion is waiting?

This is what they hope you will do, yes.
Is that what you will do? Probably yes.

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Quote from: Micky25 on November 05, 2013, 02:30:16 PM

Quote from: ImI on November 05, 2013, 10:16:43 AM

Quote from: winit on November 05, 2013, 09:57:33 AM

Predictions for today's announcement?

Batch 1 to start shipping 25th Nov

33% = there will be no announcement
33% = starting to ship #1 25th Nov
33% = starting to ship in december
1% = i dunno

100% NO announcement

Why? Because the teachings of Yifu/Avalon say so:

1. During phase 6 "Delay, Smoke and Mirrors" of our little game, your customers should already been fallen in slight despair and cry for a lawyer.
2. Stay calm, no lawyer will delve into such a clusterfuck! Release the shielding shill. He will take the blows while you feed him with nonsense to communicate to the sheeps.
3. Build up false hopes by letting him announce announcements, then dive away for a couple of days AFTER the planed announcement date. DO NOT announce anything (because there isn't anything to announce anyways, lol)!
4. In the meantime, attract more sheeps with the money of the "valued ("we want our customers to succeed")-1st batch customers" (which are, by the way, obviously arseraped the hardest, as always)

http://i.imgur.com/1qtwEpI.jpg

So the only suggestion is waiting?

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Quote from: ImI on November 05, 2013, 10:16:43 AM

Quote from: winit on November 05, 2013, 09:57:33 AM

Predictions for today's announcement?

Batch 1 to start shipping 25th Nov

33% = there will be no announcement
33% = starting to ship #1 25th Nov
33% = starting to ship in december
1% = i dunno

100% NO announcement

Why? Because the teachings of Yifu/Avalon say so:

1. During phase 6 "Delay, Smoke and Mirrors" of our little game, your customers should already been fallen in slight despair and cry for a lawyer.
2. Stay calm, no lawyer will delve into such a clusterfuck! Release the shielding shill. He will take the blows while you feed him with nonsense to communicate to the sheeps.
3. Build up false hopes by letting him announce announcements, then dive away for a couple of days AFTER the planed announcement date. DO NOT announce anything (because there isn't anything to announce anyways, lol)!
4. In the meantime, attract more sheeps with the money of the "valued ("we want our customers to succeed")-1st batch customers" (which are, by the way, obviously arseraped the hardest, as always)

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Quote from: dopamine on November 05, 2013, 01:48:23 PM

I want a refund. Dont be surprise they ship after dec 31 2013 and update their tos without notice. Too many red flags and they struggle to give a update because they have no more excuses, but to stay silent.

I need a refund, too. I called them but no answer, so what are they intending to do?
I think they should have a whole plan, or why place the TOS as hidden fine print?

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I want a refund. Dont be surprise they ship after dec 31 2013 and update their tos without notice. Too many red flags and they struggle to give a update because they have no more excuses, but to stay silent.

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Quote from: cleartime on November 05, 2013, 01:40:43 PM

Quote from: paranoidx on November 05, 2013, 12:38:11 PM

Quote from: Puppet on November 05, 2013, 12:13:48 PM

Quote from: cedivad on November 05, 2013, 10:19:25 AM

The annuncment should come for the iceminer asset, so there should at least be an announcement. It will be vague and useless, yes. Then they will "carry on" until december, when they will ship from the 25th to the 31th.

And if they file for bankruptcy we will have the first open source 28nm asic design ever.

Seriously unless you know something we dont, you should take a chill pill.

HF announced a delay, the cause for the delay, a solution for the problem and a new rough ETA thats still a week from here. Whats this panic about?
If you never anticipated these things could be delayed by at least a few weeks, why did you even order? I can understand BFL customers getting upset about waiting over a year and hearing new excuses and delays every other week, but thusfar, this seems a total non issue.

Be honest: are you upset because we are now 5 (!) days beyond their initial shipping window, or because difficulty is 2x higher and growing much faster than you expected when you placed your order?

I believe he is upset because:
1. we are now 5 days beyond the shipping window
2. the difficulty is 2x and growing much faster
3. there is no proof that the devices will be completed any time soon. No pictures of pcb boards, no announcement of the chips (knc took 2 weeks after getting chips to start shipping)
4. No refunds
5. No communication from Hashfast. (everything is under NDA apparently)

Well, my order is Batch 2, so that will be delivered on March 2014, I just noticed the fact, really shocked me.
That mean I throw money to water without any sound.
So we will need a layer before they announce anything we do not want to hear?

yes, unfortunately any ROI is going to be minimal (depending on BTC prices. Of course). BFL should be shipping about that time (we'll see). That happens far too often with preorders

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Quote from: paranoidx on November 05, 2013, 12:38:11 PM

Quote from: Puppet on November 05, 2013, 12:13:48 PM

Quote from: cedivad on November 05, 2013, 10:19:25 AM

The annuncment should come for the iceminer asset, so there should at least be an announcement. It will be vague and useless, yes. Then they will "carry on" until december, when they will ship from the 25th to the 31th.

And if they file for bankruptcy we will have the first open source 28nm asic design ever.

Seriously unless you know something we dont, you should take a chill pill.

HF announced a delay, the cause for the delay, a solution for the problem and a new rough ETA thats still a week from here. Whats this panic about?
If you never anticipated these things could be delayed by at least a few weeks, why did you even order? I can understand BFL customers getting upset about waiting over a year and hearing new excuses and delays every other week, but thusfar, this seems a total non issue.

Be honest: are you upset because we are now 5 (!) days beyond their initial shipping window, or because difficulty is 2x higher and growing much faster than you expected when you placed your order?

I believe he is upset because:
1. we are now 5 days beyond the shipping window
2. the difficulty is 2x and growing much faster
3. there is no proof that the devices will be completed any time soon. No pictures of pcb boards, no announcement of the chips (knc took 2 weeks after getting chips to start shipping)
4. No refunds
5. No communication from Hashfast. (everything is under NDA apparently)

Well, my order is Batch 2, so that will be delivered on March 2014, I just noticed the fact, really shocked me.
That mean I throw money to water without any sound.
So we will need a layer before they announce anything we do not want to hear?

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Quote from: paranoidx on November 05, 2013, 01:20:19 PM

Fabrication process for the chips was announced finished 9/17. It took almsot 2 weeks to cut the wafers and get them to KNC.
My point was, Hashfast isn't even at the fabrication finished announcement stage.

Chin up little buddy.

We know TSMC won't fail to deliver.

Quote

The sun'll come out
Tomorrow
Bet your bottom dollar
That tomorrow
There'll be sun!

Just thinkin' about
Tomorrow
Clears away the cobwebs,
And the sorrow
'Til there's none!

When I'm stuck with a day
That's gray,
And lonely,
I just stick out my chin
And Grin,
And Say,
Oh!

The sun'll come out
Tomorrow
So ya gotta hang on
'Til tomorrow

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Quote from: ImI on November 05, 2013, 12:44:38 PM

Quote from: paranoidx on November 05, 2013, 12:38:11 PM

3. there is no proof that the devices will be completed any time soon. No pictures of pcb boards

no pics of pcb i dont like either

Quote from: paranoidx on November 05, 2013, 12:38:11 PM

knc took 2 weeks after getting chips to start shipping

wrong. Orama stated that the chips arrived per courier at sunday in two batches one directly from korea and one via korea and paris. the first miner left knc at tuesday. so thats basically 2 days from chips to shipping.

Fabrication process for the chips was announced finished 9/17. It took almsot 2 weeks to cut the wafers and get them to KNC.
My point was, Hashfast isn't even at the fabrication finished announcement stage.

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Quote from: joshv06 on November 05, 2013, 03:31:05 AM

Quote from: plasmoske on November 05, 2013, 02:24:29 AM

So why they're making you the announcer/go to guy now tacotime?

They used to post here like daily and now they basically all disappeared. All of em.

Shitty situation. Updates needed but they're hiding behind a guy - whom they take ages to email back to.

Yeah. Up until about the 18th, all the Hashfast people would post here. Now nothing..

Where are my 12 Baby Jets?..

I expressed to them when ordering that I was coming from 1.2 year wait at BFL. They kept telling me they're nothing like BFL, they're on schedule, blah blah. They seem more like BFL every day. With the Hashfast Baby Jet drawing, going silent, posting for ad space but not here, and generally their change of tone. They all seemed like good people on the phone, now they just refer me to the fine print TOS.

That's cool and all but whatever happened to them wanting their customers to succeed?

+1 ! i really dont understand Hashfast silence... where are my Babyjets too ??!

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Quote from: paranoidx on November 05, 2013, 12:38:11 PM

3. there is no proof that the devices will be completed any time soon. No pictures of pcb boards

no pics of pcb i dont like either

Quote from: paranoidx on November 05, 2013, 12:38:11 PM

knc took 2 weeks after getting chips to start shipping

wrong. Orama stated that the chips arrived per courier at sunday in two batches one directly from korea and one via korea and paris. the first miner left knc at tuesday. so thats basically 2 days from chips to shipping.

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Quote from: paranoidx on November 05, 2013, 12:38:11 PM

5. No communication from Hashfast. (everything is under NDA apparently)

Good post, but i have to remember that the NDA is under NDA, too.
It's funny to think about it every time.

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Quote from: Puppet on November 05, 2013, 12:13:48 PM

Quote from: cedivad on November 05, 2013, 10:19:25 AM

The annuncment should come for the iceminer asset, so there should at least be an announcement. It will be vague and useless, yes. Then they will "carry on" until december, when they will ship from the 25th to the 31th.

And if they file for bankruptcy we will have the first open source 28nm asic design ever.

Seriously unless you know something we dont, you should take a chill pill.

HF announced a delay, the cause for the delay, a solution for the problem and a new rough ETA thats still a week from here. Whats this panic about?
If you never anticipated these things could be delayed by at least a few weeks, why did you even order? I can understand BFL customers getting upset about waiting over a year and hearing new excuses and delays every other week, but thusfar, this seems a total non issue.

Be honest: are you upset because we are now 5 (!) days beyond their initial shipping window, or because difficulty is 2x higher and growing much faster than you expected when you placed your order?

I believe he is upset because:
1. we are now 5 days beyond the shipping window
2. the difficulty is 2x and growing much faster
3. there is no proof that the devices will be completed any time soon. No pictures of pcb boards, no announcement of the chips (knc took 2 weeks after getting chips to start shipping)
4. No refunds
5. No communication from Hashfast. (everything is under NDA apparently)

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If I could just pitch in, I haven't really been keeping up with the thread. What is this talk about an announcement today? Did HF say they were gonna post an update?

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