HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s - page 553.

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Quote from: Syke on August 11, 2013, 04:31:08 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on August 11, 2013, 04:21:24 PM

well, step back and think about it. all they're asking you to do is tie up your BTC's for 4.5 mo. if they don't deliver get a refund. that's not bad at all considering what they're developing, the full results of which have not been disclosed yet.

Yes, it is bad. If they were so "confident" of their schedule, they'd back it with refunds begining end of Oct. Offering refunds months later means they're not actually confident at all. Oct 20 shipment is just a lie to snag sales away from competitors. Slimy.

that's just your opinion. how is setting a delivery date that doesn't match your expectation considered slimy just b/c you don't agree? what about all the price cutting, reseller programs, and other inducements offered by other companies? are those slimy too? or are they ok b/c perhaps you have one of their machines on order?

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Quote from: crumbs on August 11, 2013, 04:29:43 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on August 11, 2013, 04:28:11 PM

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no, the efficiency of this chip is going to far exceed that of any of their closest competitors.

Substantially above projections?

Simon is a conservative man. i just got off the phone with him. his projections are inline with what he expects. it's just that what he expects beats the pants off of the closest competitor.

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Quote from: cypherdoc on August 11, 2013, 04:21:24 PM

well, step back and think about it. all they're asking you to do is tie up your BTC's for 4.5 mo. if they don't deliver get a refund. that's not bad at all considering what they're developing, the full results of which have not been disclosed yet.

Yes, it is bad. If they were so "confident" of their schedule, they'd back it with refunds begining end of Oct. Offering refunds months later means they're not actually confident at all. Oct 20 shipment is just a lie to snag sales away from competitors. Slimy.

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Quote from: cypherdoc on August 11, 2013, 04:28:11 PM

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no, the efficiency of this chip is going to far exceed that of any of their closest competitors.

Substantially above projections?

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Quote from: crumbs on August 11, 2013, 04:24:46 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on August 11, 2013, 04:21:24 PM

... that's not bad at all considering what they're developing, the full results of which have not been disclosed yet.

A pig in a poke? Shocked

no, the efficiency of this chip is going to far exceed that of any of their closest competitors.

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Quote from: cypherdoc on August 11, 2013, 04:21:24 PM

... that's not bad at all considering what they're developing, the full results of which have not been disclosed yet.

A pig in a poke? Shocked

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Quote from: Syke on August 11, 2013, 03:21:22 PM

Quote from: Simon Barber on August 10, 2013, 09:59:18 PM

The chip design is almost complete. We're starting sales now because we're at the point where we the calendar of remaining items is fairly fixed, and we're confident we can deliver.

So confident in your schedule that you'll offer refunds in ~~October~~, ~~November~~, ~~December~~, January 2014? That's not very confident at all!

well, step back and think about it. all they're asking you to do is tie up your BTC's for 4.5 mo. if they don't deliver get a refund. that's not bad at all considering what they're developing, the full results of which have not been disclosed yet.

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Quote from: Simon Barber on August 10, 2013, 09:59:18 PM

The chip design is almost complete. We're starting sales now because we're at the point where we the calendar of remaining items is fairly fixed, and we're confident we can deliver.

So confident in your schedule that you'll offer refunds in ~~October~~, ~~November~~, ~~December~~, January 2014? That's not very confident at all!

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Quote from: WastedLTC on August 11, 2013, 02:50:41 PM

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I'll be watching but right now, not impressed at all.

Well, i am. If you're not, that's because you're looking at this the wrong way.
Think of HashFast as a bear riding a bicycle: It's not how well it does it, but that it does it *at all*.

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Not sure why the NDA is needed or why u would only accept BTC. I can see if you were shipping the next day, BTC only wouldn't be a problem. Your pricing is not at the same level as your risk. If it was, you would have sold much more than your site was showing.

I just don't see where you are deriving your value when so many of your details are not released.

I'll be watching but right now, not impressed at all.

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Quote from: AussieHash on August 11, 2013, 03:07:11 AM

Quote from: Simon Barber on August 10, 2013, 09:59:18 PM

The original design work on this chip started in 2011. The architecture work started then. The current version of the RTL code started in May 2013. The team have been working non stop 18 hour days, 7 days a week since then. We understand the importance of schedule. The chip design is almost complete.
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Hi Simon,

Can you confirm that you are still on track for an August tapeout ?
https://www.hashfast.com/uniquifystatemen/

Can you confirm that you have chosen and signed with a fab ?
Can you tell us what your fab time estimate is ? Do you have a rocket priority run ?
Have you chosen and signed with bumping, dicing and packaging partners and what is your timeline for these ?
Have you already finalised your PCB design, contracted partners and started manufacturing ?
Have you finalised your rig design, cooling, PSU and contracted a manufacturer ?

If you ship in December - your customers will take a bath on this.

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Can you confirm that you are still on track for an August tapeout ?
https://www.hashfast.com/uniquifystatemen/
- Yes

Can you confirm that you have chosen and signed with a fab ?
- Yes

Can you tell us what your fab time estimate is ? Do you have a rocket priority run ?
- Cannot publish details. have 3-way NDA between ourselves, Uniquify and the Fab

Have you chosen and signed with bumping, dicing and packaging partners and what is your timeline for these ?
- Yes. Many of these tasks are carried out in the fab. See above.

Have you already finalized your PCB design, contracted partners and started manufacturing ?
- Yes, yes, no.

Have you finalized your rig design, cooling, PSU and contracted a manufacturer ?
- Yes, yes, yes, negotiating with several.

If you ship in December - your customers will take a bath on this.
- We wont. And we'll protect our customer's against hashrate increases.
Expect details on Monday

Thanks!

Eduardo deCastro
Founder and CEO,
HashFast Technologies

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Quote from: Simon Barber on August 10, 2013, 09:59:18 PM

The original design work on this chip started in 2011. The architecture work started then. The current version of the RTL code started in May 2013. The team have been working non stop 18 hour days, 7 days a week since then. We understand the importance of schedule. The chip design is almost complete.
....

Hi Simon,

Can you confirm that you are still on track for an August tapeout ?
https://www.hashfast.com/uniquifystatemen/

Can you confirm that you have chosen and signed with a fab ?
Can you tell us what your fab time estimate is ? Do you have a rocket priority run ?
Have you chosen and signed with bumping, dicing and packaging partners and what is your timeline for these ?
Have you already finalised your PCB design, contracted partners and started manufacturing ?
Have you finalised your rig design, cooling, PSU and contracted a manufacturer ?

If you ship in December - your customers will take a bath on this.

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Quote from: nowywbitcoinowymswiecie on August 11, 2013, 12:30:01 AM

Dear Simon, as we both understand schedule is important, please be so kind and answer my, still unanswered, post:

Quote from: nowywbitcoinowymswiecie on August 09, 2013, 01:53:51 AM

HashFast is an interesting and much aticipated idea but please tell precisely whats Your plan to send working product to clients at the end of October.
To me this plan looks like quite ambitious one. Slightly too ambitious? I dont see any place for errors and delays. None.

So we have known phases - please provide a list of actions with roughly dates.

To have working device we need to:

1. Design a chip : do You have final design, its valid/seems working etc.? UPDATE: Started: 2011 Status: uncompleted. Estimated time to complete: unknown.
2. Produce Chip : ??Whats You timeline here
3. Design PCB : ??Whats You timeline here
4A. Assembly service : ??Whats You timeline here
4B. BOM - components preorder : ??Whats You timeline here
5. Create software or adapt existing one : ??Whats You timeline here
6. Design/Adapt Case : ??Whats You timeline here
7. Start shipping : 20-30 October

Above its a quick and dirty estimation of critical minestones of which each one have many intermediate steps. Of course some of them can be done in parallel.

Please provide Your estimations. This will show us how do you approach this project.

Hey, people are throwing money at him! No need to answer pesky questions like that! If you want to know fly over there and sign an NDA! Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Simon Barber on August 10, 2013, 09:59:18 PM

The original design work on this chip started in 2011. The architecture work started then. The current version of the RTL code started in May 2013.... We understand the importance of schedule. The chip design is almost complete. We're starting sales now because we're at the point where we the calendar of remaining items is fairly fixed, and we're confident we can deliver.
Simon

Dear Simon, as we both understand schedule is important, please be so kind and answer my, still unanswered, post:

Quote from: nowywbitcoinowymswiecie on August 09, 2013, 01:53:51 AM

HashFast is an interesting and much aticipated idea but please tell precisely whats Your plan to send working product to clients at the end of October.
To me this plan looks like quite ambitious one. Slightly too ambitious? I dont see any place for errors and delays. None.

So we have known phases - please provide a list of actions with roughly dates.

To have working device we need to:

1. Design a chip : do You have final design, its valid/seems working etc.? UPDATE: Started: 2011 Status: uncompleted. Estimated time to complete: unknown.
2. Produce Chip : ??Whats You timeline here
3. Design PCB : ??Whats You timeline here
4A. Assembly service : ??Whats You timeline here
4B. BOM - components preorder : ??Whats You timeline here
5. Create software or adapt existing one : ??Whats You timeline here
6. Design/Adapt Case : ??Whats You timeline here
7. Start shipping : 20-30 October

Above its a quick and dirty estimation of critical minestones of which each one have many intermediate steps. Of course some of them can be done in parallel.

Please provide Your estimations. This will show us how do you approach this project.

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Quote from: Gizmosis350k on August 10, 2013, 10:31:08 PM

I like what Hashfast is doing. Right now even if the difficulty was 370 Mil i'd still ROI in about 6 months

Do you mean if it averaged 370m over 6 months? I calculate at an average of 370M it will break even in 120 days... But that would be hard to do because I project 370M in early December.

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Quote from: Gizmosis350k on August 10, 2013, 10:31:08 PM

I like what Hashfast is doing. Right now even if the difficulty was 370 Mil i'd still ROI in about 6 months

I think you need to re-do your calculations.

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I like what Hashfast is doing. Right now even if the difficulty was 370 Mil i'd still ROI in about 6 months

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Quote from: Simon Barber on August 10, 2013, 09:59:18 PM

Quote from: flowdab on August 09, 2013, 09:19:32 AM

Has Hashfast told us what stage they are in design/production? I find it very difficult to believe that they can go from 0 to full miner by October 20th - 30th.

The original design work on this chip started in 2011. The architecture work started then. The current version of the RTL code started in May 2013. The team have been working non stop 18 hour days, 7 days a week since then. We understand the importance of schedule. The chip design is almost complete. We're starting sales now because we're at the point where we the calendar of remaining items is fairly fixed, and we're confident we can deliver.

Simon

Thanks for the explanation and history. I am looking forward to the email updates.

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Quote from: flowdab on August 09, 2013, 09:19:32 AM

Has Hashfast told us what stage they are in design/production? I find it very difficult to believe that they can go from 0 to full miner by October 20th - 30th.

The original design work on this chip started in 2011. The architecture work started then. The current version of the RTL code started in May 2013. The team have been working non stop 18 hour days, 7 days a week since then. We understand the importance of schedule. The chip design is almost complete. We're starting sales now because we're at the point where we the calendar of remaining items is fairly fixed, and we're confident we can deliver.

Simon

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Hodl!

Quote from: Simon Barber on August 10, 2013, 01:00:45 AM

Yes - production and fulfillment are outsourced - design partly in house and partly outsourced. These days there are many professional companies who specialize in these areas, ISO9001 certified, etc. No need to keep these in house.

Heh, heh, good luck with that, unless you're commanding better than 10% of their current business, expect to get low priority. If they get over 40-50% off a major multinational who gives them a "preferred partner" attaboy to hang in the lobby, expect to get really screwed. If you want to get royal treatment, look for small shops who see you as a lifeline.

ISO 9001 is practically only a documentation standard, where management attempts to shift blame for poor materials and inadequate equipment to production ops by forcing them to sign everything off. Well it can work like that. I don't put any particular store in it... basically when they deliver 50,000 wrong parts, it shortcuts the scapegoat finding process.

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