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Topic: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s - page 555. (Read 880816 times)
maybe they ship in silver plated packages ?
i think that 400$ more than usual is a robbery.
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i think that 400$ more than usual is a robbery.
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This is an obvious red flag. This company needs money now for the tape-out. Welcome on board of being fucked up like BFL customer.
maybe they ship in silver plated packages ?
i think that 400$ more than usual is a robbery.
friedcat send blades for free
i think that 400$ more than usual is a robbery.
friedcat send blades for free
John just woke up after having not gotten any sleep for 2 days. i just talked to him and he promised he'd be coming online soon.
Jeez guys.. 4 pages of off-topic discussion since I posted my question regarding the error I got this afternoon...
Website is still broken and doesn't show shipping costs.. Is there anyone from hashfast here that can explain this failure?
What I see from the screenshot earlier is almost 800$ for shipping, I hope that's not correct cuz I could almost pick it up myself from Europe for that amount..
I'm not ready to call it a scam (yet) but I've seen better customer support... (even from BFL
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Website is still broken and doesn't show shipping costs.. Is there anyone from hashfast here that can explain this failure?
What I see from the screenshot earlier is almost 800$ for shipping, I hope that's not correct cuz I could almost pick it up myself from Europe for that amount..
I'm not ready to call it a scam (yet) but I've seen better customer support... (even from BFL
) Yeah we get it, he is a known scammer, an underhanded scoundrel.
But does it matter since seemingly there is no way for anyone to actually buy anything yet anyway?
Or is there some secret means by which one might locate some secret place to buy at?
-MarkM-
But does it matter since seemingly there is no way for anyone to actually buy anything yet anyway?
Or is there some secret means by which one might locate some secret place to buy at?
-MarkM-
i sure hope you're kidding.
i hope all of you guys realize what type of self righteous-ethical box you've inadvertently maneuvered yourselves into.
according to you guys, even if some great new company appears that unquestionably has a superior technology that is likely to enable them to take over the market, as long as the company you've ordered at with your cc order hasn't done anything illegal to deceive, misportray, or misrepresent their product, you are ethically bound to stay with them. you are not allowed to cx your orders b/c of market events.
i will be watching.
according to you guys, even if some great new company appears that unquestionably has a superior technology that is likely to enable them to take over the market, as long as the company you've ordered at with your cc order hasn't done anything illegal to deceive, misportray, or misrepresent their product, you are ethically bound to stay with them. you are not allowed to cx your orders b/c of market events.
i will be watching.
Yeah we get it, he is a known scammer, an underhanded scoundrel.
But does it matter since seemingly there is no way for anyone to actually buy anything yet anyway?
Or is there some secret means by which one might locate some secret place to buy at?
-MarkM-
But does it matter since seemingly there is no way for anyone to actually buy anything yet anyway?
Or is there some secret means by which one might locate some secret place to buy at?
-MarkM-
Nah. Their site broke
Yeah we get it, he is a known scammer, an underhanded scoundrel.
But does it matter since seemingly there is no way for anyone to actually buy anything yet anyway?
Or is there some secret means by which one might locate some secret place to buy at?
-MarkM-
But does it matter since seemingly there is no way for anyone to actually buy anything yet anyway?
Or is there some secret means by which one might locate some secret place to buy at?
-MarkM-
i hereby declare that anyone cancelling their orders via cc at any of these companies for personal or market reasons is declared unethical, shady, and a manipulator and should be subject to the full force of the law.
No.
Placing orders with multiple companies, while fully intending to chargeback all but one of them, is shifty & underhanded.
Bragging about doing it on this forum, where people's investments depend on those companies, is stupid.
Not expecting the repercussions is unreasonable.
Trying to defuse said repercussions with ill-conceived lies is weak and deceptive.
Don't play the fool, and don't assume everyone else is.
Every once in a while in the middle of all this stuff about the lack of ethics of a company rep some turn of phrase seems to hint that somewhere some sales might already have been possible or might still be possible, but nothing seems to clearly state that to be the case and all those seeming hints conspicuously lack any links to any threads or sites or anything else that actually openly say anything about anyone actually being able to buy and how to go about doing so.
If the intent is to spam so much chaff that no one can fluke into a thread or post that actually links to some method of buying something I guess the spammers/trolls are accomplishing that very well..
-MarkM-
If the intent is to spam so much chaff that no one can fluke into a thread or post that actually links to some method of buying something I guess the spammers/trolls are accomplishing that very well..
-MarkM-
i hereby declare that anyone cancelling their orders via cc at any of these companies for personal or market reasons is declared unethical, shady, and a manipulator and should be subject to the full force of the law.
I'm not reproaching you for scamming the credit card & the two ASIC companies, but for pointlessly bragging about your misdeed, and the inept lies & apologia that followed.
good. then we're actually making some progress here.
it's not bragging. it's an attempt to explain what i think is happening to the market in aggregate as a result of companies accepting cc's. i think it's a problem that asic companies need to be aware of and avoid if possible.
all you guys keep insisting that i started out on 7/13 with my KNC order with the intent of cancelling my order. no, absolutely not. nobody knew Hashfast even existed. i didn't know that there were Bitfury's out there selling for $8000 to be delivered in October. i even consulted with some of you as to how to interpret different performance metrics of these companies as i was still learning. it's been a surprise to me how fast and how many of these companies have come into the space. as my education evolved on this topic and as new companies arrived on the scene i've moved my orders.
step back a second. even if it was true that i was trying to manipulate the market, would only 1 measly order at each of the 2 companies really accomplish that? good gaud...
I've never accused you of being a skillful manipulator, that would indeed be absurd. I pointed out that publicising your shifty dealings, especially in your role as HashFast spokesman, is not a sign of intelligence. Not when integrity is essential to your effectiveness as a spokesman. This, of course, puts in question the wisdom of HashFast's choice of spokespeople, but that's fodder for a different thread.
While O.J. Simpson is, technically, not guilty of any wrongdoing, i doubt a life insurance company would hire him as a spokesperson. Go figure.
Bargraphic
what specifically was the intent?
what specifically was the intent?
I won't bother with this merry-go-round.
most ppl answer like that when they don't want their flawed logic exposed.
Refunds may be offered without reason at the discretion of those selling out of goodwill, but that goodwill is not to be abused when it involves procuring and assembling components with the funds raised.
well it just so happens that KNC disagrees with you on your stupid allegations of abuse. they refunded me, no problem. what say you?
Did you specifically tell them that you had full intentions of inflating their order book and taking back your money when you placed the order?
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Even if you did they would likely refund you, why? Because having someone like that isn't worth having as a customer. (Which is my point that HashFast might have acted hastily with having you as a sponsor)
why? just b/c you've created in your own negative mind a malicious, unethical scenario of my action? they asked me, i didn't ask them, remember?
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Full Disclosure, I personally met with them too. I like HashFast and what they have to offer and I also believe in them. I just don't like people like you who try to deceive companies intentionally for their own gain.
wow, what an allegation for which you have no basis.
Can we please stop this off-topic flame fest?
I'm personally more interested in HashFast than cypherdoc and his somewhat shady business dealings.
I'm personally more interested in HashFast than cypherdoc and his somewhat shady business dealings.
Refunds may be offered without reason at the discretion of those selling out of goodwill, but that goodwill is not to be abused when it involves procuring and assembling components with the funds raised.
well it just so happens that KNC disagrees with you on your stupid allegations of abuse. they refunded me, no problem. what say you?
If a carpenter built you handmade bespoke furniture at your request with a down payment and prior to him delivering on your mutual agreement, you revoke the contract, do you honestly think he has no legal recourse??
This is getting absurd and has nothing to do with Hashfast in their thread, and you certainly shouldn't be broadcasting such practice as acceptable, so stop it. Currently you're doing them no favours.
This is getting absurd and has nothing to do with Hashfast in their thread, and you certainly shouldn't be broadcasting such practice as acceptable, so stop it. Currently you're doing them no favours.
i really think you should stop acting like a lawyer. you're sounding absurd.
a carpenter is not building $millions of USD's worth of furniture for hundreds of buyers. it's typically a one on one tx and sure, it would not be cool to cx on him after he built it.
plus, he doesn't have a full refund policy for cc's on a website like KNC.
I'm not reproaching you for scamming the credit card & the two ASIC companies, but for pointlessly bragging about your misdeed, and the inept lies & apologia that followed.
good. then we're actually making some progress here.
it's not bragging. it's an attempt to explain what i think is happening to the market in aggregate as a result of companies accepting cc's. i think it's a problem that asic companies need to be aware of and avoid if possible.
all you guys keep insisting that i started out on 7/13 with my KNC order with the intent of cancelling my order. no, absolutely not. nobody knew Hashfast even existed. i didn't know that there were Bitfury's out there selling for $8000 to be delivered in October. i even consulted with some of you as to how to interpret different performance metrics of these companies as i was still learning. it's been a surprise to me how fast and how many of these companies have come into the space. as my education evolved on this topic and as new companies arrived on the scene i've moved my orders.
step back a second. even if it was true that i was trying to manipulate the market, would only 1 measly order at each of the 2 companies really accomplish that? good gaud...
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are ppl implying here that anyone who cancels their orders right up until the time of shipping for anything other than real personal dire circumstances is committing fraud?
are ppl implying here that anyone who cancels their orders right up until the time of shipping for anything other than real personal dire circumstances is committing fraud?
No. People are stating, directly, that what you did here:
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i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
is dishonest at best, and bragging about it -- on a forum where honesty is integral to credibility -- is stupid. Get it now?
I Interpreted it as illegal, which is what it is. It was more a case of I would remove that if I were you, especially if you, by your own declaration are the spokesperson of a company.
why is it illegal?
i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
Irrespective of whether a company offers a no quibble guarantee you enter a contract of sale which for goods in the US is governed by the Uniform Cmmercial Code;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Commercial_Code
so now you're a lawyer? you throw up a wiki page as if that's some kind of proof.
amex doesn't seem to have any problem with it.
paypal and multiple cc companies don't seem to have any problem with chargebacks in general for even items that get delivered as many ppl around here have discovered even after they sold various Bitcoin related items.
No, it comes under Article 2, the 'Sales of Goods' in The Uniform Commercial Code.
"A contract of sale is a legal contract an exchange of goods, services or property to be exchanged from seller (or vendor) to buyer (or purchaser) for an agreed upon value in money (or money equivalent) paid or the promise to pay same. It is a specific type of legal contract."
Refunds may be offered without reason at the discretion of those selling out of goodwill, but that goodwill is not to be abused when it involves procuring and assembling components with the funds raised.
If a carpenter built you handmade bespoke furniture at your request with a down payment and prior to him delivering on your mutual agreement, you revoke the contract, do you honestly think he has no legal recourse??
This is getting absurd and has nothing to do with Hashfast in their thread, and you certainly shouldn't be broadcasting such practice as acceptable, so stop it. Currently you're doing them no favours.
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