Could you guys please stop quoting huge, irrelevant blocks, please ?
Just reduce the quote to whatever you are replying too.
Topic: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s - page 557. (Read 880461 times)
what you say would be true if all those companies and the information about them existed or evolved at the same time. they don't. it's an evolution as i just described. the relative value of these companies and their products are changing as each week goes by. we, as consumers, have every right to change our minds as the markets evolve and the facts change.
Except you didn't act like a normal consumer who waits and then bases their decision after time, you went in with the full intent to defraud one or all of these companies.yes, then don't order.
in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
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You can try to paint a different picture but these are your very own words.in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
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Then to try to clear your name you start pointing fingers at bitcoinorama to push the attention to him, less integrity with each post.
if i wanted to artificially inflate the internal expectations at both those companies i would have put thru a $1M order. You have clearly stated what you wanted to do and what you perceived you have done. It's right there in red boldface. I agree your actions most likely didn't cause much damage, which only makes them petty, not justifiable.
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i clearly explained the evolution of my thinking and if you can't understand that my original intent was to actually receive those machines then heaven help you for your negativity.
Your intent was always to charge back most of your orders, denying that after explicitly stating "...cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end" is lying. I'm not surprised that you lie, but by the ineptitude and artlessness of your lies.
from someone who trolls every ASIC developer thread out there.
if you don't have the ability to distinguish someone talking in the 3rd person you are as dumb as you appear.
your allegations are dumb and inept.
any comment here?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2898990
please dont say bullshit
yep. they are having trouble handling the order flow b/c of a poorly designed cart along with Bitpay not being able to handle the flow.
i'm just as disappointed as you. they're working on it.
there are so many red flags in this offering.
If you look at the first couple pages, you will see a mysterious twitter account was closed. No explanation.
Private policy that sounded like you are opting in to a marketing list.
Amateurish mailing list. Such as (Hello! New entry was published on Hash Fast. Visit it by following next link: Privacy Policy Regards, Hash Fast team. )
Now wouldn't you send out a short email with the privacy policy information instead of 10 words and a link. You know, be kind of professional about it?
An offering for 500K by some partner. For some great deal, lol.
Shipping costs to the US $600. Knc miner charged $138.
Payment only in BTC, no CC's.
Lack of specifics, but more information will be released soon. Shouldn't you have all the information ready right now when you're selling a product?
I'm sure I missed the few things. But that's a pretty good summary.
If you look at the first couple pages, you will see a mysterious twitter account was closed. No explanation.
Private policy that sounded like you are opting in to a marketing list.
Amateurish mailing list. Such as (Hello! New entry was published on Hash Fast. Visit it by following next link: Privacy Policy Regards, Hash Fast team. )
Now wouldn't you send out a short email with the privacy policy information instead of 10 words and a link. You know, be kind of professional about it?
An offering for 500K by some partner. For some great deal, lol.
Shipping costs to the US $600. Knc miner charged $138.
Payment only in BTC, no CC's.
Lack of specifics, but more information will be released soon. Shouldn't you have all the information ready right now when you're selling a product?
I'm sure I missed the few things. But that's a pretty good summary.
You've got to be kidding me. wow
some other customer from the EU posted that. But as you can see their elevated a bit. I tried to get a shipping quote but the website isn't working properly.
what you say would be true if all those companies and the information about them existed or evolved at the same time. they don't. it's an evolution as i just described. the relative value of these companies and their products are changing as each week goes by. we, as consumers, have every right to change our minds as the markets evolve and the facts change.
Except you didn't act like a normal consumer who waits and then bases their decision after time, you went in with the full intent to defraud one or all of these companies.yes, then don't order.
in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
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You can try to paint a different picture but these are your very own words.in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
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Then to try to clear your name you start pointing fingers at bitcoinorama to push the attention to him, less integrity with each post.
if i wanted to artificially inflate the internal expectations at both those companies i would have put thru a $1M order. You have clearly stated what you wanted to do and what you perceived you have done. It's right there in red boldface. I agree your actions most likely didn't cause much damage, which only makes them petty, not justifiable.
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i clearly explained the evolution of my thinking and if you can't understand that my original intent was to actually receive those machines then heaven help you for your negativity.
Your intent was always to charge back most of your orders, denying that after explicitly stating "...cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end" is lying. I'm not surprised that you lie, but by the ineptitude and artlessness of your lies.
from someone who trolls every ASIC developer thread out there.
if you don't have the ability to distinguish someone talking in the 3rd person you are as dumb as you appear.
your allegations are dumb and inept.
My intelligence is irrelevant here -- let's get back to your lying. Respond on topic.
what you say would be true if all those companies and the information about them existed or evolved at the same time. they don't. it's an evolution as i just described. the relative value of these companies and their products are changing as each week goes by. we, as consumers, have every right to change our minds as the markets evolve and the facts change.
Except you didn't act like a normal consumer who waits and then bases their decision after time, you went in with the full intent to defraud one or all of these companies.yes, then don't order.
in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
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You can try to paint a different picture but these are your very own words.in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
...
Then to try to clear your name you start pointing fingers at bitcoinorama to push the attention to him, less integrity with each post.
if i wanted to artificially inflate the internal expectations at both those companies i would have put thru a $1M order. You have clearly stated what you wanted to do and what you perceived you have done. It's right there in red boldface. I agree your actions most likely didn't cause much damage, which only makes them petty, not justifiable.
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i clearly explained the evolution of my thinking and if you can't understand that my original intent was to actually receive those machines then heaven help you for your negativity.
Your intent was always to charge back most of your orders, denying that after explicitly stating "...cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end" is lying. I'm not surprised that you lie, but by the ineptitude and artlessness of your lies.
from someone who trolls every ASIC developer thread out there.
if you don't have the ability to distinguish someone talking in the 3rd person you are as dumb as you appear.
your allegations are dumb and inept.
any comment here?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2898990
please dont say bullshit
what you say would be true if all those companies and the information about them existed or evolved at the same time. they don't. it's an evolution as i just described. the relative value of these companies and their products are changing as each week goes by. we, as consumers, have every right to change our minds as the markets evolve and the facts change.
Except you didn't act like a normal consumer who waits and then bases their decision after time, you went in with the full intent to defraud one or all of these companies.yes, then don't order.
in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
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You can try to paint a different picture but these are your very own words.in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
...
Then to try to clear your name you start pointing fingers at bitcoinorama to push the attention to him, less integrity with each post.
if i wanted to artificially inflate the internal expectations at both those companies i would have put thru a $1M order. You have clearly stated what you wanted to do and what you perceived you have done. It's right there in red boldface. I agree your actions most likely didn't cause much damage, which only makes them petty, not justifiable.
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i clearly explained the evolution of my thinking and if you can't understand that my original intent was to actually receive those machines then heaven help you for your negativity.
Your intent was always to charge back most of your orders, denying that after explicitly stating "...cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end" is lying. I'm not surprised that you lie, but by the ineptitude and artlessness of your lies.
from someone who trolls every ASIC developer thread out there.
if you don't have the ability to distinguish someone talking in the 3rd person you are as dumb as you appear.
your allegations are dumb and inept.
what you say would be true if all those companies and the information about them existed or evolved at the same time. they don't. it's an evolution as i just described. the relative value of these companies and their products are changing as each week goes by. we, as consumers, have every right to change our minds as the markets evolve and the facts change.
Except you didn't act like a normal consumer who waits and then bases their decision after time, you went in with the full intent to defraud one or all of these companies.yes, then don't order.
in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
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You can try to paint a different picture but these are your very own words.in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
...
Then to try to clear your name you start pointing fingers at bitcoinorama to push the attention to him, less integrity with each post.
if i wanted to artificially inflate the internal expectations at both those companies i would have put thru a $1M order. You have clearly stated what you wanted to do and what you perceived you have done. It's right there in red boldface. I agree your actions most likely didn't cause much damage, which only makes them petty, not justifiable.
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i clearly explained the evolution of my thinking and if you can't understand that my original intent was to actually receive those machines then heaven help you for your negativity.
Your intent was always to charge back most of your orders, denying that after explicitly stating "...cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end" is lying. I'm not surprised that you lie, but by the ineptitude and artlessness of your lies.
yes, then don't order.
in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
i consider myself a pretty rational actor and i knew if i was doing this that there were a great many of you doing the same thing. thus, i told HashFast not to take cc's or paypal. yes, it may decrease orders at the beginning but it will eliminate their internal volatility going into production. they will be able to plan their expenses much more precisely. HashFast doesn't want fickle customers jumping in and out of the order queue causing all sorts of headache and hassle. they want committed customers who really understand what they're doing and are willing to wait until the end of December at the latest before they request a refund.
i really think one of those companies taking cc or paypal could undergo a walletectomy by having a darkhorse company like HashFast come out with a superior chip product. yes, it may be just vaporware right now but tapeout is going to occur within a matter of days which is a significant milestone and they have additional plans in the works.
in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
i consider myself a pretty rational actor and i knew if i was doing this that there were a great many of you doing the same thing. thus, i told HashFast not to take cc's or paypal. yes, it may decrease orders at the beginning but it will eliminate their internal volatility going into production. they will be able to plan their expenses much more precisely. HashFast doesn't want fickle customers jumping in and out of the order queue causing all sorts of headache and hassle. they want committed customers who really understand what they're doing and are willing to wait until the end of December at the latest before they request a refund.
i really think one of those companies taking cc or paypal could undergo a walletectomy by having a darkhorse company like HashFast come out with a superior chip product. yes, it may be just vaporware right now but tapeout is going to occur within a matter of days which is a significant milestone and they have additional plans in the works.
That's fraud you've just publicly admitted to, I hope you realise that. I've been telling people to use card so they are protected, not manipulate the financial standing of companies and their anticipated cash flow to hedge bets.
are you really that much of an idiot?
let's look at what you just accused me of. do you really think i was trying to manipulate upwards the financial standing of KNC by making one 3 Jupiter order of $21000 in the midst of the hundreds of orders they have on the books amounting to in the $millions of USD's? only to then turn on them and "yank" that $21000 out from underneath them and topple their entire enterprise?
do you really think i was trying to manipulate upwards the financial standing of Megabig by making one 8 H board order of $40000 in the midst of the hundreds of orders they have on the books amounting to in the $millions of USD's? only to then turn on them and "yank" that $40000 out from underneath them and topple their entire enterprise?
we should all laugh at such childish accusations coming from the KNC hooter.
I'm sorry, I'm not here for an argument and i'm nobody's fool, I've got nothing against Hashfast, pro-KnC or not, as a miner I want competition so we can pay affordable prices without being scammed or having a few controlling the market.
But let's call it for what it is. You are laying bets on pre-orders in which companies rely on securing funds to cover NRE, that's non-refundable engineering costs with no intention of committing to 2/3 of those proposed orders, therefor two of those three orders were pre-meditated fraudulent purchases.
It's there in black and white, your own words, you have no integrity.
as this market has evolved over the last couple of months my first order was for KNC as they looked like a good company. in fact, i've read all your analyses and your open day thread. you've provided alot of good, sincere information and i based my order off of that. i was truly excited about the first 28nm company to evolve.
then time rolled by and BitFury's for October become available and it started to become clear they had a viable competitively priced product. so yes, i then placed an order with them. just like everyone else's conventional wisdom around here dictated. yes, i knew i'd have to cancel one of them down the line as i'm not THAT much into mining.
then HashFast came along. i like what i read. i decided to cancel my Jupiter orders the day before i go visit them. they're close by which would be really convenient in picking up my orders. i see they're legit when i'm there. i decide to lay down a check for BabyJets right then. i go home. they realize who i am. a rep from the company wants to sell me chips. then they figure i might sell some rigs for them. we're back and forth for a week and a half trying to figure out how i might help them. they realize i understand this marketplace and mining and would like guidance. we only come to this sponsorship/endorsement agreement 2 days ago. yes, i then cancel my BitFury order to, in my mind, align myself fully with the company and product i truly believe in.
to say i have no integrity b/c i used the refund policies of KNC and Megabig, as they have publicly promised and as they were intended, is childish on your part.
in fact, don't you find it ironic that the reason you're recommending for ppl here on the forum to use cc's is so that they can do exactly what i just did?
No, there is no irony, as I have never recommended people abuse their cards in that manner. In fact I have in several posts specifically stated that is not on. The consumer protection is there to protect consumers from fraud, i.e. deceitful business practice, not to use the cards with the intent to deceive yourself.
I have only ever suggested 1. People do their own research. Glad I've been considered helpful, but I'm not here to sway people's opinion, just sharing what I found and recommend they too follow up with their own due diligence. 2. Pay by safe and secure protected payment means for pre-orders to mitigate against advance payment fraud, not 'hedge bets' and bail once committing to an order.
so have we at least moved away from your first allegation that i was trying to "financially manipulate" the balance sheets of those companies with 1 order?
this is a fast moving marketplace and if you want to bootstrap yourself to one company at a given point in time and ignore other developments in the marketplace as they evolve, have at it.
when i say that someday one of these companies is going to implode from chargebacks that is my market interpretation of what is going to happen, not what i want to happen or intend to facilitate.
what you say would be true if all those companies and the information about them existed or evolved at the same time. they don't. it's an evolution as i just described. the relative value of these companies and their products are changing as each week goes by. we, as consumers, have every right to change our minds as the markets evolve and the facts change.
Except you didn't act like a normal consumer who waits and then bases their decision after time, you went in with the full intent to defraud one or all of these companies.
yes, then don't order.
in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
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in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
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You can try to paint a different picture but these are your very own words.
Then to try to clear your name you start pointing fingers at bitcoinorama to push the attention to him, less integrity with each post.
if i wanted to artificially inflate the internal expectations at both those companies i would have put thru a $1M order. i clearly explained the evolution of my thinking and if you can't understand that my original intent was to actually receive those machines then heaven help you for your negativity.
Stay Clear and Stay Away. Don't Buy because they cannot Guarantee Delivery Time and No Money Back Guarantee. Is Avalon and Butterfly in the making !!
You are possibly the most annoying person on this forum.Eve, your posts do stand out on a number of threads due to the large bold text and consistent "Stay away" verbiage. You don't need to make them bold and huge. Makes you look like a troll and no one will bother to listen. Calm down and stop jumping to every ASIC manufacturer and group by thread and posting how much of a scam it is. Point out what you disagree with and move on.
Stay Clear and Stay Away. Don't Buy because they cannot Guarantee Delivery Time and No Money Back Guarantee. Is Avalon and Butterfly in the making !!
You are possibly the most annoying person on this forum.
Stay Clear and Stay Away. Don't Buy because they cannot Guarantee Delivery Time and No Money Back Guarantee. Is Avalon and Butterfly in the making !!
Still no answer to my simple questions 
Maybe they just missed them, so I added a bit of color to make them easier to spot.
Maybe they just missed them, so I added a bit of color to make them easier to spot.
We are not talking about a high volume here, if you can't make a website that can handle a few hundred users-- just give up. The price should be around $3k. At the current price, BTC only, and bad exchange rate why would u buy one? KNC has done a much better job and when they released pricing it blew away the competition. It was unheard of... this should have been the same thing since we now all know where the difficulty will be.
I was interested and when I got the email that orders have begun I jumped up to check it out. Completely disappointing. Good luck with your business.
I was interested and when I got the email that orders have begun I jumped up to check it out. Completely disappointing. Good luck with your business.
+1 total letdown.
yes, then don't order.
in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
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That's fraud you've just publicly admitted to, I hope you realise that. I've been telling people to use card so they are protected, not manipulate the financial standing of companies and their anticipated cash flow to hedge bets.in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
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I think both intent & result are obvious. I'm not surprised by your dealings, but your eagerness to trot them out in public is certainly a liability to HashFast.
yes, then don't order.
in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
i consider myself a pretty rational actor and i knew if i was doing this that there were a great many of you doing the same thing. thus, i told HashFast not to take cc's or paypal. yes, it may decrease orders at the beginning but it will eliminate their internal volatility going into production. they will be able to plan their expenses much more precisely. HashFast doesn't want fickle customers jumping in and out of the order queue causing all sorts of headache and hassle. they want committed customers who really understand what they're doing and are willing to wait until the end of December at the latest before they request a refund.
i really think one of those companies taking cc or paypal could undergo a walletectomy by having a darkhorse company like HashFast come out with a superior chip product. yes, it may be just vaporware right now but tapeout is going to occur within a matter of days which is a significant milestone and they have additional plans in the works.
in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
i consider myself a pretty rational actor and i knew if i was doing this that there were a great many of you doing the same thing. thus, i told HashFast not to take cc's or paypal. yes, it may decrease orders at the beginning but it will eliminate their internal volatility going into production. they will be able to plan their expenses much more precisely. HashFast doesn't want fickle customers jumping in and out of the order queue causing all sorts of headache and hassle. they want committed customers who really understand what they're doing and are willing to wait until the end of December at the latest before they request a refund.
i really think one of those companies taking cc or paypal could undergo a walletectomy by having a darkhorse company like HashFast come out with a superior chip product. yes, it may be just vaporware right now but tapeout is going to occur within a matter of days which is a significant milestone and they have additional plans in the works.
That's fraud you've just publicly admitted to, I hope you realise that. I've been telling people to use card so they are protected, not manipulate the financial standing of companies and their anticipated cash flow to hedge bets.
are you really that much of an idiot?
let's look at what you just accused me of. do you really think i was trying to manipulate upwards the financial standing of KNC by making one 3 Jupiter order of $21000 in the midst of the hundreds of orders they have on the books amounting to in the $millions of USD's? only to then turn on them and "yank" that $21000 out from underneath them and topple their entire enterprise?
do you really think i was trying to manipulate upwards the financial standing of Megabig by making one 8 H board order of $40000 in the midst of the hundreds of orders they have on the books amounting to in the $millions of USD's? only to then turn on them and "yank" that $40000 out from underneath them and topple their entire enterprise?
we should all laugh at such childish accusations coming from the KNC hooter.
I'm sorry, I'm not here for an argument and i'm nobody's fool, I've got nothing against Hashfast, pro-KnC or not, as a miner I want competition so we can pay affordable prices without being scammed or having a few controlling the market.
But let's call it for what it is. You are laying bets on pre-orders in which companies rely on securing funds to cover NRE, that's non-refundable engineering costs with no intention of committing to 2/3 of those proposed orders, therefor two of those three orders were pre-meditated fraudulent purchases.
It's there in black and white, your own words, you have no integrity.
as this market has evolved over the last couple of months my first order was for KNC as they looked like a good company. in fact, i've read all your analyses and your open day thread. you've provided alot of good, sincere information and i based my order off of that. i was truly excited about the first 28nm company to evolve.
then time rolled by and BitFury's for October become available and it started to become clear they had a viable competitively priced product. so yes, i then placed an order with them. just like everyone else's conventional wisdom around here dictated. yes, i knew i'd have to cancel one of them down the line as i'm not THAT much into mining.
then HashFast came along. i like what i read. i decided to cancel my Jupiter orders the day before i go visit them. they're close by which would be really convenient in picking up my orders. i see they're legit when i'm there. i decide to lay down a check for BabyJets right then. i go home. they realize who i am. a rep from the company wants to sell me chips. then they figure i might sell some rigs for them. we're back and forth for a week and a half trying to figure out how i might help them. they realize i understand this marketplace and mining and would like guidance. we only come to this sponsorship/endorsement agreement 2 days ago. yes, i then cancel my BitFury order to, in my mind, align myself fully with the company and product i truly believe in.
to say i have no integrity b/c i used the refund policies of KNC and Megabig, as they have publicly promised and as they were intended, is childish on your part.
in fact, don't you find it ironic that the reason you're recommending for ppl here on the forum to use cc's is so that they can do exactly what i just did?
No, there is no irony, as I have never recommended people abuse their cards in that manner. In fact I have in several posts specifically stated that is not on. The consumer protection is there to protect consumers from fraud, i.e. deceitful business practice, not to use the cards with the intent to deceive yourself.
I have only ever suggested 1. People do their own research. Glad I've been considered helpful, but I'm not here to sway people's opinion, just sharing what I found and recommend they too follow up with their own due diligence. 2. Pay by safe and secure protected payment means for pre-orders to mitigate against advance payment fraud, not 'hedge bets' and bail once committing to an order.
You are laying bets on pre-orders in which companies rely on securing funds to cover NRE, that's non-refundable engineering costs with no intention of committing to 2/3 of those proposed orders, therefore two of those three orders were pre-meditated fraudulent purchases.
It's there in black and white, your own words, you have no integrity.
It's there in black and white, your own words, you have no integrity.
what you say would be true if all those companies and the information about them existed or evolved at the same time. they don't. it's an evolution as i just described. the relative value of these companies and their products are changing as each week goes by. we, as consumers, have every right to change our minds as the markets evolve and the facts change.
by advising HashFast not to take cc's, i only gave them a strategy to limit orders to those individuals who understand the terms upfront and who are willing to wait for them until the end of December. you have the freedom not to participate by not ordering thru them.
yes, then don't order.
in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
i consider myself a pretty rational actor and i knew if i was doing this that there were a great many of you doing the same thing. thus, i told HashFast not to take cc's or paypal. yes, it may decrease orders at the beginning but it will eliminate their internal volatility going into production. they will be able to plan their expenses much more precisely. HashFast doesn't want fickle customers jumping in and out of the order queue causing all sorts of headache and hassle. they want committed customers who really understand what they're doing and are willing to wait until the end of December at the latest before they request a refund.
i really think one of those companies taking cc or paypal could undergo a walletectomy by having a darkhorse company like HashFast come out with a superior chip product. yes, it may be just vaporware right now but tapeout is going to occur within a matter of days which is a significant milestone and they have additional plans in the works.
in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
i consider myself a pretty rational actor and i knew if i was doing this that there were a great many of you doing the same thing. thus, i told HashFast not to take cc's or paypal. yes, it may decrease orders at the beginning but it will eliminate their internal volatility going into production. they will be able to plan their expenses much more precisely. HashFast doesn't want fickle customers jumping in and out of the order queue causing all sorts of headache and hassle. they want committed customers who really understand what they're doing and are willing to wait until the end of December at the latest before they request a refund.
i really think one of those companies taking cc or paypal could undergo a walletectomy by having a darkhorse company like HashFast come out with a superior chip product. yes, it may be just vaporware right now but tapeout is going to occur within a matter of days which is a significant milestone and they have additional plans in the works.
That's fraud you've just publicly admitted to, I hope you realise that. I've been telling people to use card so they are protected, not manipulate the financial standing of companies and their anticipated cash flow to hedge bets.
are you really that much of an idiot?
let's look at what you just accused me of. do you really think i was trying to manipulate upwards the financial standing of KNC by making one 3 Jupiter order of $21000 in the midst of the hundreds of orders they have on the books amounting to in the $millions of USD's? only to then turn on them and "yank" that $21000 out from underneath them and topple their entire enterprise?
do you really think i was trying to manipulate upwards the financial standing of Megabig by making one 8 H board order of $40000 in the midst of the hundreds of orders they have on the books amounting to in the $millions of USD's? only to then turn on them and "yank" that $40000 out from underneath them and topple their entire enterprise?
we should all laugh at such childish accusations coming from the KNC hooter.
I'm sorry, I'm not here for an argument and i'm nobody's fool, I've got nothing against Hashfast, pro-KnC or not, as a miner I want competition so we can pay affordable prices without being scammed or having a few controlling the market.
But let's call it for what it is. You are laying bets on pre-orders in which companies rely on securing funds to cover NRE, that's non-refundable engineering costs with no intention of committing to 2/3 of those proposed orders, therefor two of those three orders were pre-meditated fraudulent purchases.
It's there in black and white, your own words, you have no integrity.
as this market has evolved over the last couple of months my first order was for KNC as they looked like a good company. in fact, i've read all your analyses and your open day thread. you've provided alot of good, sincere information and i based my order off of that. i was truly excited about the first 28nm company to evolve.
then time rolled by and BitFury's for October become available and it started to become clear they had a viable competitively priced product. so yes, i then placed an order with them. just like everyone else's conventional wisdom around here dictated. yes, i knew i'd have to cancel one of them down the line as i'm not THAT much into mining.
then HashFast came along. i like what i read. i decided to cancel my Jupiter orders the day before i go visit them. they're close by which would be really convenient in picking up my orders. i see they're legit when i'm there. i decide to lay down a check for BabyJets right then. i go home. they realize who i am. a rep from the company wants to sell me chips. then they figure i might sell some rigs for them. we're back and forth for a week and a half trying to figure out how i might help them. they realize i understand this marketplace and mining and would like guidance. we only come to this sponsorship/endorsement agreement 2 days ago. yes, i then cancel my BitFury order to, in my mind, align myself fully with the company and product i truly believe in.
to say i have no integrity b/c i used the refund policies of KNC and Megabig, as they have publicly promised and as they were intended, is childish on your part.
in fact, don't you find it hypocritical that the reason you're recommending for ppl here on the forum to use cc's is so that they can do exactly what i just did?
Has Hashfast told us what stage they are in design/production? I find it very difficult to believe that they can go from 0 to full miner by October 20th - 30th.
yes, then don't order.
in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
i consider myself a pretty rational actor and i knew if i was doing this that there were a great many of you doing the same thing. thus, i told HashFast not to take cc's or paypal. yes, it may decrease orders at the beginning but it will eliminate their internal volatility going into production. they will be able to plan their expenses much more precisely. HashFast doesn't want fickle customers jumping in and out of the order queue causing all sorts of headache and hassle. they want committed customers who really understand what they're doing and are willing to wait until the end of December at the latest before they request a refund.
i really think one of those companies taking cc or paypal could undergo a walletectomy by having a darkhorse company like HashFast come out with a superior chip product. yes, it may be just vaporware right now but tapeout is going to occur within a matter of days which is a significant milestone and they have additional plans in the works.
in fact, you can blame me for advising them not to take cc's. like i said in my thread, i had orders of 3 Jupiter's in at KNC, and 8 H boards with BitFury. i never intended to order that many as a whole simply b/c i was playing the Ms. Fickle game of hedging my bets across multiple companies fully intending to cancel all but one order with whom i deemed the winner in my orderbook in the end. so i artificially inflated the internal expectations at both these companies about what the demand was going to be going forward.
i consider myself a pretty rational actor and i knew if i was doing this that there were a great many of you doing the same thing. thus, i told HashFast not to take cc's or paypal. yes, it may decrease orders at the beginning but it will eliminate their internal volatility going into production. they will be able to plan their expenses much more precisely. HashFast doesn't want fickle customers jumping in and out of the order queue causing all sorts of headache and hassle. they want committed customers who really understand what they're doing and are willing to wait until the end of December at the latest before they request a refund.
i really think one of those companies taking cc or paypal could undergo a walletectomy by having a darkhorse company like HashFast come out with a superior chip product. yes, it may be just vaporware right now but tapeout is going to occur within a matter of days which is a significant milestone and they have additional plans in the works.
That's fraud you've just publicly admitted to, I hope you realise that. I've been telling people to use card so they are protected, not manipulate the financial standing of companies and their anticipated cash flow to hedge bets.
are you really that much of an idiot?
let's look at what you just accused me of. do you really think i was trying to manipulate upwards the financial standing of KNC by making one 3 Jupiter order of $21000 in the midst of the hundreds of orders they have on the books amounting to in the $millions of USD's? only to then turn on them and "yank" that $21000 out from underneath them and topple their entire enterprise?
do you really think i was trying to manipulate upwards the financial standing of Megabig by making one 8 H board order of $40000 in the midst of the hundreds of orders they have on the books amounting to in the $millions of USD's? only to then turn on them and "yank" that $40000 out from underneath them and topple their entire enterprise?
we should all laugh at such childish accusations coming from the KNC hooter.
I'm sorry, I'm not here for an argument and i'm nobody's fool. I've got nothing against Hashfast, pro-KnC or not, as a miner I want competition so we can pay affordable prices without being scammed or having a few controlling the market.
But let's call it for what it is. You are laying bets on pre-orders in which companies rely on securing funds to cover NRE, that's non-refundable engineering costs with no intention of committing to 2/3 of those proposed orders, therefore two of those three orders were pre-meditated fraudulent purchases.
It's there in black and white, your own words, you have no integrity.
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