Topic: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: up to 800GH/s - page 8. (Read 29875 times)

So what you're saying is, HashFast representatives lie when necessary to protect the company. Gotcha.

That's correct; it doesn't matter if *I* call it a 'windfall' or not.

What matters is if a judge or mediator calls it a 'windfall' or not.

The legally binding language is in the ToS, not a statement made prior to the sudden and rapid appreciation of BTC from $100 to $600, during a long period of BTC/USD stability.

Query: If BTC went to $1,000,000 would you still expect HashFast to pay out millions of dollars in windfall refunds?

If you answer is 'yes' you may want to check the validity of your premises, because they have led you to an absurd conclusion!   

Thank you for cutting out the spam.

I'm not trying to "turn the community against" you, although one could make the case you are trying to exactly that to HashFast.

Drumming up support for a lawsuit, then complaining HashFast 'chose to go the legal route' is a little obnoxious though...  

Doesn't matter if you call it a "windfall" or not, BTC refunds for BTC purchases were the original agreement by HashFast:

Btw, if you don't see me online it's just because the user experience on Bitcointa.lk is just way better than the one on Bitcointalk.org. And yes, i took a pause, i admit it.

Btw #2, i really don't care if you lock the thread and you try to turn the community against me because i'm supposedly "responsable" for it.

Good luck with that.
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #6y4hADKWFSclmeI7

you scammed much people here and now complaining about they spamming your thread because you go silence and nobody know
when/if you ship something
seriously?


bullshit!

You are behind your deadline and I have NO info if/when you will ship my units.

stop your PR chitchat and post an update on shipping ETA

what kind of business are you talking about? I'm still waiting for goods I ordered and paid for in September 2013. What kind of business is this? Bullshit business?

cedivad is offline so the thread is now unlocked.

The reason for introducing the legal concept of a 'windfall' is so observers will not be mislead by those falsely claiming HashFast hasn't provided full refunds for the small number of Batch 1 customers who requested them.

It's important to note the distinction between a full 105% refund of the USD our machines have always been priced in versus a windfall (in the form of getting back an equal number of ~$600 BTC for the ~$100 BTC which some customers used to buy ASICs).

HashFast has been open and honest regarding the technical reasons for the delay.

Others have been deceitful and dishonest by trying to use the delay as an excuse to demand a windfall.  Some go so far as to make up lies about HashFast intentionally delaying shipments so we may mine with customer equipment!

Their attempts to disrupt this thread and drive away business, just because they have not been granted a windfall at HashFast's expense, amount to extortion.

It would have been nice to have received 105% of your evaluation of the refund total; instead, by HashFast math I am out somewhere in the neighbourhood of 20%–even denominated in the fiat-based refund you illegally attempted to change our contract to.

Let me be completely clear: HashFast sent you a 105% refund, which you admit to returning because you feel entitled to a ~600% windfall based on nothing more than post-purchase appreciation of your chosen payment medium.

You aren't going to get a windfall, no matter how long you pretend to be incapable of understanding the concept of Legal Tender.  You know this is true, which explains your failure to get a lawyer.  Good job wasting taxpayer money by going the legal route via a complaint to the state of California.   

I see you used your moderator powers to unlock the thread and have the last word.  Very nice; did you also use your mod powers to ask cedivad to stop spamming us with re-posts?  Your own rules say edit-warring moderated threads is not acceptable...

So, just to be completely clear— You are, in fact, refusing to refund my payment?

I want to be complete clear on this because you have ignored every certified letter I (and apparently other people have sent you) and you seem to also be saying that you already have— which is entirely untrue. You have not refunded me in any way shape or form, the only response I've received from you at all has been the taunting, insults, and deletion notices here— plus some crazy settlement for a fraction of what I'm out due to your incompetent or deceptive business practices: I am beginning to lean towards deceptive considering your apparent complete lack of interest in seeking a mutually agreeable resolution.

You continue to have an obligation according to our contract to refund my payment after your failure to deliver by the very lenient deadline which you specified. You have ignored all my private efforts to resolve the matter and not responded to any of my communication except here in public. Obviously very few people are going to do business with you with you screwing over people like this. You've claimed that your new pre-orders were flying off the virtual shelves— and maybe there really are enough suckers out there— but I'd guess if you actually were selling product you'd actually be able to make more deliveries and refund some of the people you've screwed over and left completely in the lurch.

Once again, the only reason this thread is locked is because cedavid and others are spamming it.

This is a clear violation of the message they get ever time I delete their hate/rage/troll posts.

If the mods would simply enforce the rules for this subforum, it wouldn't be a problem.  But they don't, so it is.

Sorry to all who wish to post here!

You already admitted to receiving and returning a check for 105% of the purchase price.

If you really think a court is actually going to give you a $60,000 pony named Windfall, get a lawyer.

But you know that's absurd, which is why you've not done so.

Anyway, please ask cedivad and the others to stop edit-warring moderated posts.

If you won't enforce your own rules for this subforum, maybe it's time to step down and let someone more capable take over.

EDIT: Because cedivad is being allowed to break the rules for self-moderated threads, I'll simply lock this one when he is online until the mods give him a warning/time-out/banhammer.

That wouldn't be a refund, that would be a windfall.  Ain't gonna happen.

Maybe the TOS doesn't provide the windfall, but when people have e-mail from hashfast saying that they will be refunded in bitcoins then all your arguments go down the hole. TOS is TOS and e-mail promises were plain and straight LIES. How can you defend the bitcoin refunds from the e-mails?

Tell me, HF_CL, how do you plan to compete?

https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140314135446510cxXNeYAy06E5
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #QfBWvbDBRQkVDZna

Fine, where do I apply?

You still owe me the MPP one the Bach #1, The upgrade kits, the Sierras and the MPP for the Sierras. It's been over 6 weeks I've even heard anything from Hashfast

Where do I apply for a 105% refund and when will you pay it out?

Offered and paid out?  What are you talking about? You have absolutely not refunded me. I wish it were so, I certainly do not enjoy the current state of affairs.

105% of BTC97.95849881 is BTC102.856423751. When is HashFash sending gmaxwell BTC102.856423751 refund?

HashFast already offered and paid out 105% refunds.

No part of the TOS (regardless of gmaxwell's delusions) provides for a ~600% windfall in the event of massive BTC appreciation.

No court is going to award such a windfall, so you'll be waiting a very long time.