Topic: Health and Religion - page 119. (Read 210900 times)

I'll never get tired of writing this:

No pleading involved at all. Cause and effect are only for this universe. To us people, this universe is all that there is, because we are part of it, and not part of anything outside of it. When God is in this universe, He does operate by cause and effect. But because He is outside of it as well, cause and effect constraints do not affect Him.



Not sure what you mean by "gap of gods."

There is no argument. Cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy are scientifically accepted facts.

No no no, that won't work. You cannot pick and choose free will out of your arse when it suits you.
Christianity relies on free will. Without it people cannot ask for salivation, rendering Christianity false.

So take your pick:

1) We don't have free will. Thus Christainity is false.
2) We do have free will. Christainity could be true.

If all things has cause and effect, there must be something above your god, if you will say nothing because he's god. That would be special pleading.

Appeal to ignorance and gap of the gods is not a valid argument and does't undergo logical thinking. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

Scientifically speaking, science generally doesn't believe in soul or spirit.

Everything operates by cause and effect. Science understands this. Something set the cause and effect in motion. Cause and effect produces complexity, especially complexity regarding the brain and mind and intelligence of mankind. Complexity is all around us, in us, and through us.

Anything that can cause mind and intelligence complexity, along with the multitudes of complex cause and effect actions, must be at least as "mental" and as intelligent as the things that it produces. Why? Because universal entropy shows us that complexity is breaking down, just like everything else is.

The "Thing" that set cause and effect and complexity in place at the Beginning fits our dictionary definitions of "God."

Why must there have been a Beginning? Because, if everything had continued forever into the past, entropy would have reduced all complexity to simplicity long ago.

God is the answer. God is outside of our universe, even though He is within it as well. Science proves God as explained above, in this post.



EDIT: I want to thank everyone who has questioned me about this issue of how science proves the existence of God. Every time someone asks me this, I find ways to answer more clearly and succinctly. So, thanks again.

No contradiction in the free will thing. I will explain it again, although I have in the past.

There is no free will from a pure science position, since everything works by cause and effect.

God, for His own purposes has held a tiny bit of free will open in people. This little piece of free will has to do with the strength of faith that a person has in God. That's it. It doesn't have anything to do with anything that we think about in life. And even this tidbit of free will is regulated by God to some extent.

God looks at the position of free will in every person. If a change in the universe and circumstances in life is dictated by the change in any person's strength of faith in God, God goes back to the Beginning, and juggles or jiggles the way He set cause and effect into motion, so that changes happen according to the free will of each and every person that uses the speck of free will that he has to make a change. Even the free will is changed in this jiggling juggling of cause and effect... change that reaches to our time, through all the ages of history.

To the person it looks like he changed his mind, or like he decided to get out of bed on the other side this morning, or like he chose apple juice rather than the regular orange juice for breakfast. Yet the person's free will didn't have anything to do with it. All the free will did was to look at God from a slightly different standpoint, even though the person didn't realize he was looking at God. Then God went back in time to the Beginning and jiggled and juggled all of cause and effect to make things happen the way He determines, based on what He sees in the splinter of free will that we have, about believing God.

The strength of God is immense, and the control that He exerts is way farther in understanding beyond us than we are beyond the microbes.

Kant argued that free will requires a noumenal self which is causally undetermined an uncaused cause outside of and therefore not subject to the deterministic laws of nature.

Immanuel Kant on Free Will
Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kant/#ThePraAut

Keep on quoting "Science prove god" where?
Or is it more likely, theist adapt the credit to their malevolent god instead of the one who scrutinized such thing to find the truth which is science

The way he contradict his own statement, and reply with long preaching and spamming. I think this is how BADecker get his quota in camp. sig

You mind has created this delusion to convince yourself that your on some important mission for mankind.
Spoiler: You not. It is of no importance.


Pseudoscience.


Oh, so now we do have free will. You change your mind quicker than the wind.


Well not false ones, no.


Thing is you have no interest in people accepting God.
What you want is people to accept YOUR custom bespoke god and YOUR custom bespoke religious cult.

Big difference.

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Science is generally unwilling to recognize God, even though science has proven God. The point is that scientifically speaking, through the science proofs, we do not have free will.

People who accept God and what God says in the Bible, know that people have free will held open by God, and that God works with the free will of mankind.

Since you don't accept God, you might as well admit that you don't have free will, even though you do, because God holds it open for you. Of course, you could always accept God and start to recognize that you have free will.

Bu bu but but... you said we haven't got free will. 

That's what I and many others are here for... to let them know about God and salvation. But I might feel more sorry for them than I will for you. Why? Because you, of your own free will, scorn God and salvation. They do as well. But many of them don't have nearly the chance to change that you do.

Don't fancy spending eternity with BADecker then? Think of the fun. You could have daily competitions who could brown nose God the most.

That's fine, I'm happy being accompanied with George Carlin and Albert Einstein.

I feel so sorry for the billions of less fortunate people in this world our "loving just God" chose to be born in a country with a culture of a false religion, which have exactly 0% chance of getting the correct one and will be sent directly to the lake of fire because of no fault of their own.  

That's what I'm trying to tell him. but I thnk he just ignore it and just keep on spamming his preach on us. With of course merely his opinion.

Bet you 100BTC it just so happens it's the one BADecker believes in.
What a stroke of luck for him, billion to one chance he got it correct.
Ignoring the fact of course that geographical birth place, family, peer pressure, culture etc, chose his religion, not him.