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legendary
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April 26, 2017, 01:38:11 PM
Religion is nothing but a disciplinary way, it shows the way how you behave and how you maintain your Life. If you follow the instructions of any religion then you can lead a peaceful life. Discipline can bring your good health. So regular life is the way of making good health.
So there is a relationship between religion and good health.

If taken in moderation.  Too much of it, and you become paranoid, schizophrenic, serial or mass murderer.

Regardless, it is a very dangerous poison IMHO.  Just like alcohol or drugs, religious ideology can fuck up your thinking.


I agree. Too much religion has a negative impact on the mental, and over time and on the person's physical health.

The two of you may benefit from giving this issue some more thought.

Atheism and Mass Murder
http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Mass_Murder
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Concerning atheism and mass murder, Christian apologist Gregory Koukl wrote that "the assertion is that religion has caused most of the killing and bloodshed in the world. There are people who make accusations and assertions that are empirically false. This is one of them."[1] Koukl details the number of people killed in various events involving theism and compares them to the much higher tens of millions of people killed under atheistic communist regimes, in which militant atheism served as the official doctrine of the state.[1]

Communist regimes killed 60 million in the 20th century through genocide, according to Le Monde, more than 100 million people[2] according to The Black Book of Communism (Courtois, Stéphane, et al., 1997).[3] and according to Cleon Skousen[4] in his best-selling book The Naked Communist.[5]

It is estimated that in the past 100 years, governments under the banner of atheistic communism have caused the death of somewhere between 40,472,000 and 259,432,000 human lives.[6] Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government). Dr. R. J. Rummel's mid estimate regarding the loss of life due to communism is that communism caused the death of approximately 110,286,000 people between 1917 and 1987.[7]

The Reign of Terror of the French Revolution established a state which was anti-Roman Catholicism/Christian in nature [8] (anti-clerical deism and anti-religious atheism during the Enlightenment played a significant role in the French Revolution[9][10]), with the official ideology being the Cult of Reason; during this time thousands of believers were suppressed and executed by the guillotine.[11] Although Communism is one of the most well-known cases of atheism's ties to mass murder, the French Revolution and subsequent Reign of Terror, inspired by the works of Diderot, Voltaire, Sade, and Rousseau, managed to commit similar persecutions and exterminations of religious people and promote secularism and militant atheism. Official numbers indicate that 300,000 Frenchmen died during Robespierre's Reign of Terror, 297,000 of which were of middle-class or low-class.[12] Of the amount murdered via the guillotine, only 8% had been of the aristocratic class, with over 30% being from the peasant class.[13]

One of the most well known cases of mass murder during the French Revolution was the genocide at Vendée, which has yet to be officially recognized as genocide. Some estimates indicated that Robespierre and the Jacobins planned to massacre well over 15,000,000 Frenchmen,[12] and that he also intended to commit genocide against the Alsace region of France due to their German-speaking populace.[13] Besides the guillotine, the French Revolution also resulted in various other deaths, including trampling children with horses, burning people in ovens, "Republican Marriages" (which involved stripping people naked, tying them together to a log in a suggestive fashion, and then putting them into the water to drown. In the event that there wasn't enough people of both sexes, they also resorted to "tying the knot" in a homosexual manner), cutting recently raped girls in half after tying them to a tree, crushing pregnant women under wine pressers, cutting up pregnant women and using bayonets to stab the fetus inside before leaving her to die, "catching" infants thrown from a balcony with their bayonets, and using shotguns to ensure people bled out to death.[13]

The aforementioned actions during the French Revolution, especially the Reign of Terror in 1793, would also inspire Karl Marx with the Communist manifesto, specifically telling Frederick Engels in correspondences to each other: “There is only one way of shortening, simplifying, and concentrating the bloodthirsty death-throes of the old society and the bloody birth pangs of the new—revolutionary terror. . . . [...] Once we are at the helm, we shall be obliged to reenact the year 1793. [...] We are pitiless and we ask no pity from you. When our time comes, we shall not conceal terrorism with hypocritical phrases. . . The vengeance of the people will break forth with such ferocity that not even the year 1793 enables us to envisage it...”[14]

Koukl summarized by stating:

“  It is true that it's possible that religion can produce evil, and generally when we look closer at the detail it produces evil because the individual people are actually living in a rejection of the tenets of Christianity and a rejection of the God that they are supposed to be following. So it can produce it, but the historical fact is that outright rejection of God and institutionalizing of atheism actually does produce evil on incredible levels. We're talking about tens of millions of people as a result of the rejection of God.[1]  ” 

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Nobel Prize winner Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was asked to account for the great tragedies that occurred under the brutal communist regime he and fellow citizens suffered under.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn offered the following explanation:

“  Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: 'Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.'
Since then I have spend well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: 'Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.' [15]
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April 26, 2017, 01:31:52 PM
Religion is nothing but a disciplinary way, it shows the way how you behave and how you maintain your Life. If you follow the instructions of any religion then you can lead a peaceful life. Discipline can bring your good health. So regular life is the way of making good health.
So there is a relationship between religion and good health.

If taken in moderation.  Too much of it, and you become paranoid, schizophrenic, serial or mass murderer.

Regardless, it is a very dangerous poison IMHO.  Just like alcohol or drugs, religious ideology can fuck up your thinking.


I agree. Too much religion has a negative impact on the mental, and over time and on the person's physical health.
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April 26, 2017, 12:52:04 PM
I do not believe that religion can help a sick person get healed. Maybe this is the effect of auto-suggestion, in which a person heals himself. Or maybe this god helps a person to be healed. But not religion and religious figures
Keep on believing people who don't lose faith to him will be granted like what i've always watching on t.v there always be a miracle happens when you always say his name pray for him every time you fall sleep not the religion it self but when you do ask him for your forgiveness then it is time to heal you.
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April 26, 2017, 12:16:12 PM
Religion is nothing but a disciplinary way, it shows the way how you behave and how you maintain your Life. If you follow the instructions of any religion then you can lead a peaceful life. Discipline can bring your good health. So regular life is the way of making good health.
So there is a relationship between religion and good health.
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April 26, 2017, 11:09:09 AM
With regards to health maybe the religious report greater FEELING  of well-being because they don't feel stress that much. A poor religious have an afterlife he can look forward to, a poor atheist would only see problems. This is also probably the reason why poorer countries tend to be religious, it's just more comforting.

As for actual health benefits, religious people may have a head-start because of their social circle. The deeply religious go to services regularly where they meet and chat with other community members and probably make a few new friends if it's in a large urban area. Coming out as atheist in a religious territory could cut your social ties though. Besides, even without that experience, atheists don't tend to meet regularly in events focused on their atheism. I guess if you're an atheist you just have to find an alternative. Stuff like ComiCon perhaps?

Religion is not the only hobby in town. 

There are plenty of hobbies that will provide ways to socialize with other people.



Yup, but in many places religion makes up most of the socializing events, for example festivals and holidays. In many cases, it is also part of family occasions. It also seem to be more "natural" since you don't need to search for it, you are already automatically joined.

Would be fun if we actually have a Pastafarian event here, just for fun, but very unlikely to happen in my country.

With regards to health maybe the religious report greater FEELING  of well-being because they don't feel stress that much. A poor religious have an afterlife he can look forward to, a poor atheist would only see problems. This is also probably the reason why poorer countries tend to be religious, it's just more comforting.

As for actual health benefits, religious people may have a head-start because of their social circle. The deeply religious go to services regularly where they meet and chat with other community members and probably make a few new friends if it's in a large urban area. Coming out as atheist in a religious territory could cut your social ties though. Besides, even without that experience, atheists don't tend to meet regularly in events focused on their atheism. I guess if you're an atheist you just have to find an alternative. Stuff like ComiCon perhaps?

When you look at the definition of religion (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t), you see that everybody has, at least, a personal religion. People who are less healthy simply have a more flawed personal religion.

Same said regarding war. Islam has conquered much because Islam is a strong religion. America is conquering Islam because Christianity is stronger.

Note that it is not the Christians who are conquering Islam over in the Middle East. Whatever the religion of the American soldiers is, they are conquering Islam for the Christians in America and the world, at God's direction.

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And where do you get this strong vs weak religion? It's just the strength of the nation, the religion of those involved in the conflict don't matter. Americans are not conquering those areas for Christians coz if they are, then occupation would have been followed by making Christianity the state religion, just like what Arabs did when they conquered for their god.

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April 25, 2017, 08:55:12 PM
Religious Affiliation and Suicide Attempt
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.12.2303
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OBJECTIVE: Few studies have investigated the association between religion and suicide either in terms of Durkheim’s social integration hypothesis or the hypothesis of the regulative benefits of religion. The relationship between religion and suicide attempts has received even less attention.

METHOD: Depressed inpatients (N=371) who reported belonging to one specific religion or described themselves as having no religious affiliation were compared in terms of their demographic and clinical characteristics.

RESULTS: Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder. No differences in the level of subjective and objective depression, hopelessness, or stressful life events were found.

CONCLUSIONS: Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients. After other factors were controlled, it was found that greater moral objections to suicide and lower aggression level in religiously affiliated subjects may function as protective factors against suicide attempts. Further study about the influence of religious affiliation on aggressive behavior and how moral objections can reduce the probability of acting on suicidal thoughts may offer new therapeutic strategies in suicide prevention.

Japan: The Most Religious Atheist Country
https://blog.gaijinpot.com/japan-religious-atheist-country/
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However when a subsequent Gallup poll asked about atheism, it discovered that 31% of Japanese people were also willing to check the ‘convinced atheist’ box. If the phrase ‘religiously unaffiliated’ was used instead of ‘atheist’, the yes-result was a jaw-dropping 57%.
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April 25, 2017, 04:19:32 PM
Someone pointed this thread from a thread discussing high suicide rates in Japan. I don't believe Japan's problems with suicide and low birth rate comes from a lack of religion, they're quite spiritual. I would say it's all cultural and economic.

They're not the blunt types like Americans, they're very polite and don't show their emotions that much. Education and work there is also very competitive like in the rest of east Asia and some just can't handle the pressure.

As for their low birth rate, it seems they're avoiding it because of the economy (which is ok but not expanding) and the cost of living.
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April 25, 2017, 11:51:29 AM
Religion and health are incompatible. While you will be praying for you to come back health it may be too late. On the other hand are not gods, but doctors can restore your health without any prayers.
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April 25, 2017, 11:06:35 AM
With regards to health maybe the religious report greater FEELING  of well-being because they don't feel stress that much. A poor religious have an afterlife he can look forward to, a poor atheist would only see problems. This is also probably the reason why poorer countries tend to be religious, it's just more comforting.

As for actual health benefits, religious people may have a head-start because of their social circle. The deeply religious go to services regularly where they meet and chat with other community members and probably make a few new friends if it's in a large urban area. Coming out as atheist in a religious territory could cut your social ties though. Besides, even without that experience, atheists don't tend to meet regularly in events focused on their atheism. I guess if you're an atheist you just have to find an alternative. Stuff like ComiCon perhaps?

Here the comparison will be more correct not with a religious person and an atheist, but with an optimist and a pessimist.
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April 25, 2017, 10:19:54 AM
With regards to health maybe the religious report greater FEELING  of well-being because they don't feel stress that much. A poor religious have an afterlife he can look forward to, a poor atheist would only see problems. This is also probably the reason why poorer countries tend to be religious, it's just more comforting.

As for actual health benefits, religious people may have a head-start because of their social circle. The deeply religious go to services regularly where they meet and chat with other community members and probably make a few new friends if it's in a large urban area. Coming out as atheist in a religious territory could cut your social ties though. Besides, even without that experience, atheists don't tend to meet regularly in events focused on their atheism. I guess if you're an atheist you just have to find an alternative. Stuff like ComiCon perhaps?

When you look at the definition of religion (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t), you see that everybody has, at least, a personal religion. People who are less healthy simply have a more flawed personal religion.

Same said regarding war. Islam has conquered much because Islam is a strong religion. America is conquering Islam because Christianity is stronger.

Note that it is not the Christians who are conquering Islam over in the Middle East. Whatever the religion of the American soldiers is, they are conquering Islam for the Christians in America and the world, at God's direction.

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April 25, 2017, 08:51:08 AM
With regards to health maybe the religious report greater FEELING  of well-being because they don't feel stress that much. A poor religious have an afterlife he can look forward to, a poor atheist would only see problems. This is also probably the reason why poorer countries tend to be religious, it's just more comforting.

As for actual health benefits, religious people may have a head-start because of their social circle. The deeply religious go to services regularly where they meet and chat with other community members and probably make a few new friends if it's in a large urban area. Coming out as atheist in a religious territory could cut your social ties though. Besides, even without that experience, atheists don't tend to meet regularly in events focused on their atheism. I guess if you're an atheist you just have to find an alternative. Stuff like ComiCon perhaps?
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April 25, 2017, 06:17:21 AM
A person needs to believe in something to be reassured that everything will be ok. By praying your brain reassures itself, finds strength to go further, it's like spiritual selfmotivation. I think the same happens when you take a placebo - you convince yourself that the pill will fight the disease. And if we are talking about mental health then religion sometimes may become a placebo instead of a pill.

Not religion, and self-hypnosis can help get better. The human brain by the power of thought is able to heal itself or vice versa to create a disease without any prayer.
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April 25, 2017, 04:29:30 AM
A person needs to believe in something to be reassured that everything will be ok. By praying your brain reassures itself, finds strength to go further, it's like spiritual selfmotivation. I think the same happens when you take a placebo - you convince yourself that the pill will fight the disease. And if we are talking about mental health then religion sometimes may become a placebo instead of a pill.
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April 25, 2017, 04:01:32 AM
I do not believe that religion can help a sick person get healed. Maybe this is the effect of auto-suggestion, in which a person heals himself. Or maybe this god helps a person to be healed. But not religion and religious figures

In most cases, faith and self-hypnosis help to heal. Religion as a doctor can only advise something, but the main process of healing is in the person himself.

This, then, is part of your religion, right?    Cool
It also affects how you think, if you think that you can be healed by the power of God from above, maybe, just maybe you will be. You can never know what is the real truth as long as you believe, it's okay.
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April 25, 2017, 03:52:29 AM
I do not believe that religion can help a sick person get healed. Maybe this is the effect of auto-suggestion, in which a person heals himself. Or maybe this god helps a person to be healed. But not religion and religious figures

In most cases, faith and self-hypnosis help to heal. Religion as a doctor can only advise something, but the main process of healing is in the person himself.

This, then, is part of your religion, right?    Cool
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April 25, 2017, 03:48:28 AM
I do not believe that religion can help a sick person get healed. Maybe this is the effect of auto-suggestion, in which a person heals himself. Or maybe this god helps a person to be healed. But not religion and religious figures

In most cases, faith and self-hypnosis help to heal. Religion as a doctor can only advise something, but the main process of healing is in the person himself.
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April 25, 2017, 03:11:38 AM
I do not believe that religion can help a sick person get healed. Maybe this is the effect of auto-suggestion, in which a person heals himself. Or maybe this god helps a person to be healed. But not religion and religious figures
legendary
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April 24, 2017, 10:26:07 PM
Is Christianity poision? Of course it is. It's not even worth debating, it just simply is. And that's that.

But wait......

Before all the Christians pour on here, red cheeks, chests puffing up, palms sweaty, ready to rip my head off.
Just stop and think of Christianity like alcohol.

Alcohol (ethyl alcohol) is a poison, just like Christianity.

Many many people all over the world enjoy an alcoholic beverage drink, with no harmful effects. Just like Christianity.
Moderate alcohol use has possible health benefits, but it's not risk-free. Just like Christianity.
It can make a social event better, happier and friendlier. Just like Christianity.

But of course take too much and:

Drinking too much alcohol, and your ability to think clearly is in trouble. Just like Christainity.
Drink too much and people tend to act irrational, wanting to punch each others light out. Just like Christianity.


So you see Christianity (in moderation) is a good thing, it all depends on the dosage.
However, take too much (like BADlogic) and it becomes poisionous, you become like the drunk twat at a wedding. Flopping about, telling unfunny jokes how you once shagged the bride, urinating on the dance floor.
Giving Christianity a bad name, like BADlogic.


Christianity is life. Christianity:
1. Describes the source of life, God;
2. Shows how God gave us Life in the beginning;
3. Expresses how we threw life away in the face of God's warning;
4. Documents the them of the Savior, Jesus, Who is life;
5. Presents how Jesus brought life back to us;
6. Maintains our freedom to accept or reject the new life;
7. Expresses what our new life in Heaven will be basically like.

Christianity is the only source and upholding of life. There is nothing else regarding life. The choice is still open to you to accept or reject life. However, because of the depth to which God place Himself into our nature and the universe, rejecting life will be a very agonizing thing.

In the beginning, God gave Adam and Eve life. God warned them about eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. He told them they would die if they ate the fruit. Spiritually, they died the day they ate the fruit. Physically they died as well, later. All the pains and troubles of life came into the universe when Adam and Eve disobeyed God.

Heed the warning of God... the warning shown through Christianity. Christianity is the only way to future life. Future life will be fun. But future death will be terrible.

The hope of Christianity is that every one of us will gain the good eternal life. If this is poison for you, then you love death.

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I love life and I agree with Buffer Overflow.  Christianity is an addiction. It poisons your mind.  Makes you a slave to its ideology.
It blames you and makes feel weak, it belittles people, it subjugates people, it discriminates, it is a mind poison on so many levels.

When (if) you free yourself from the shackles of Christianity (or any other religion for that matter), you are truly free.  You can think for yourself and evaluate the world the way it is.

People who believe in Christianity are afraid of everything.  They believe in imaginary beings like devil and ghosts.  I are afraid to be alone in the dark or go to the cemetery at night.  Christianity clouds their judgement, it creates an invisible cloak over their mind.

Everything they do or think is in the context of the Christian ideology.  They see God (and/or Devil) in everything and everyone they interact with.  They are brainwashed.  There is no difference between Scientology and Christianity, IMHO.  Fundamentally, they work on the same premise.  You are broken and we are here to fix you, if you follow us and pay a small fee.


Slavery exists throughout the universe without Christianity and without anything we do or say. How does slavery exist? Can you literally, using your own two legs, jump to the moon? If you can, you are probably the only one. If you are not a slave to gravity, then you are a slave to something else, even if it is needing your own brain to stabilize a thinking mind within yourself.

So, true freedom amounts to being able to work harmoniously withing the universe, inside the bonds of your slavery, to allow yourself the most freedom and comfort as possible.

This is what Christianity does for you. Christianity asks you to love all people, to show this love, and it uses the laws of the Old Testament as the guide that shows you the actions you will do to express your love.

Will obeying the laws of the O.T. in the love of the N.T. be beneficial in your freedom? Absolutely, YES! Why? Because then peace-loving people around you will treat you well, because of the good you show them, because of following the laws and love suggestions of Christianity.

In addition, Christianity shows you how to be saved to eternal life, thereby freeing you from the deep bondage/slavery of death. And since it warns about rejecting God, warns about the lake of fire torment such rejection will bring, it frees you from the coming torment, as well, if you accept the freedom.

Pure Christianity is by far the best freedom around. The only time it is not freedom, is when the people who view it would rather have slavery. And even then it is freedom. Why? Because it allows all people the freedom to select slavery if they want.

Now, if that is poison to anyone, he/she has been warped by his/her own evil passions. Slavery is never freedom, but is almost always poison. Christianity offers freedom, so it is absolutely NOT slavery, or poison.

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legendary
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April 24, 2017, 05:49:20 AM

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Positive effects.....

Negative effects.......
The existence of ‘religious struggle’ in elderly patients was predictive of greater risk of mortality in a study by Pargament et al. (2001). Results indicate that patients, with a previously sound religious life, experienced a 19% to 28% greater mortality due to the belief that God was supposedly punishing them or abandoning them.


Did this part of the study take into account the faulty medical which kills way more people faster than they would die if they did NOT seek medical help?

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Many things in this world can't be explained scientifically, but one thing is for sure, there is no need to argue about it because even with those with higher medical knowledge can't even explain it, thus it shows that no matter what happens life must go on.

Perhaps there is no need to argue. But we should argue anyway. Why? Because argument is the thing that brings a lot of information out into the open.

argue
[ahr-gyoo]

verb (used without object), argued, arguing.

1. to present reasons for or against a thing:
He argued in favor of capital punishment.

2. to contend in oral disagreement; dispute:
The senator argued with the president about the new tax bill.

verb (used with object), argued, arguing.

3. to state the reasons for or against:
The lawyers argued the case.

4. to maintain in reasoning:
to argue that the news report must be wrong.

5. to persuade, drive, etc., by reasoning:
to argue someone out of a plan.

6. to show; prove; imply; indicate:
His clothes argue poverty.

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April 23, 2017, 11:15:28 PM

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Positive effects.....

Negative effects.......
The existence of ‘religious struggle’ in elderly patients was predictive of greater risk of mortality in a study by Pargament et al. (2001). Results indicate that patients, with a previously sound religious life, experienced a 19% to 28% greater mortality due to the belief that God was supposedly punishing them or abandoning them.


Did this part of the study take into account the faulty medical which kills way more people faster than they would die if they did NOT seek medical help?

Cool

Many things in this world can't be explained scientifically, but one thing is for sure, there is no need to argue about it because even with those with higher medical knowledge can't even explain it, thus it shows that no matter what happens life must go on.
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