Topic: Hi, guys, I (NAKOWA) was beaten. Lost 5k BTC in two days (Still UP). - page 11. (Read 12597 times)
September 25, 2013, 10:02:55 PM
so Nakowa = Celeste = Towroad = guy who created letsdice?
September 25, 2013, 09:51:04 PM
Here is the charts Doog posted in chat on when 0.25% change was made, even if you hate Nakowa for things in the past this is beyond dirty.
http://i.imgur.com/hL1xQ7Y.png
http://i.imgur.com/qfERYcK.png
so according to that chart, that means nak had a chance to walk away when he was ahead... because he obviously lost and then won his coins back plus some... so how is that dirty? There was obviously a span of time when the change was put into place so it didnt happen in the middle of his betting like he accused. looks to be about 15-20 minutes without nak betting when the change was made.
September 25, 2013, 09:14:38 PM
I'm sorry but I really don't like the idea of let's dice where I have to be part of a multi-level marketing deal to gamble or invest, but I do wish you luck with it.
You don't have to. You can choose investing only (buying shares, and receiving dividend daily), or playing only (ignoring the whole referral rewards system).
September 25, 2013, 08:52:08 PM
Here is the charts Doog posted in chat on when 0.25% change was made, even if you hate Nakowa for things in the past this is beyond dirty.
http://i.imgur.com/hL1xQ7Y.png
http://i.imgur.com/qfERYcK.png
I think doog owes me an apology.
September 25, 2013, 08:27:46 PM
1. Max profit went down to 0.25%; (CHANGED WHEN I WAS PLAYING, WHICH IS UNFAIR.)
He changed it while your balance was 0.
No, another deposit was waiting for confirmation.
September 25, 2013, 08:07:51 PM
I agree that changing the rules without warning was a bit unfair. However you should realize he unwillingly did you a favor: you lost 3k with 80 max bet, with 320 you would have bet 4x, with the same exact pattern most likely, and would have lost 3x4=12k.
Lowering the max bet only had the effect of slowing down your gains, so you felt like going on for much longer, eventually losing.
Lowering the max bet only had the effect of slowing down your gains, so you felt like going on for much longer, eventually losing.
You said if he lose and at the other side what if he could win ?
(Nothing personal)
September 25, 2013, 07:44:54 PM
I agree that changing the rules without warning was a bit unfair. However you should realize he unwillingly did you a favor: you lost 3k with 80 max bet, with 320 you would have bet 4x, with the same exact pattern most likely, and would have lost 3x4=12k.
Lowering the max bet only had the effect of slowing down your gains, so you felt like going on for much longer, eventually losing.
So, can I interpret this as: the change was made specifically for me? only because I always win (bit, and legit). I'm somehow disappointed.
You shouldn't: he has the right to lower the max bet if the house is taking too much losses and cannot afford. It's his business, he must manage it properly to avoid the risk of going broken. He lowered it while you were by far on top. Had he lowered while you were losing you could have had a point.
You and you only chose to try to win more under the new rules.
Lowering the max bet only had the effect of slowing down your gains, so you felt like going on for much longer, eventually losing.
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02:14:27 (1) so the change isn't permanent.
So, can I interpret this as: the change was made specifically for me? only because I always win (bit, and legit). I'm somehow disappointed.
You shouldn't: he has the right to lower the max bet if the house is taking too much losses and cannot afford. It's his business, he must manage it properly to avoid the risk of going broken. He lowered it while you were by far on top. Had he lowered while you were losing you could have had a point.
You and you only chose to try to win more under the new rules.
September 25, 2013, 07:33:34 PM
I was beaten hard today (as "percent" on JD). During the course of my play, just-dice.com's rule changed.
1. Max profit went down to 0.25%; (CHANGED WHEN I WAS PLAYING, WHICH IS UNFAIR.)
2. (not confirmed) the house edge raised when profit is larger than 50.
(I feel) The game is completely different. I wasn't able to drag the site's profit to down -6K. I don't remember, I once did(?), but seconds later I was down dramatically. And in the end, I lost 3K, which means, with a max profit of 70, I am incapable of winning back, crystally clear.Therefore, I'm leaving JD for good, since 1) I cannot win further; 2) I've proved my points.
Allow me restate: I respect doog and his work. Doog is an upstanding guy, and his work is wonderful. What happened during last three months, is nothing personal. Once doog asked me, "You always say you respect my work, why are you trying to kill the profit of JD?" I didn't and never meant to.
IMO, a winning whale is the most effective advertisement of a casino. However, most people here would disagree. They're more happy to see a whale is hunting down, beaten hard. I played by rules, and won. (I'm still up a lot.)
From now on, I'll only talk about project I'm involving, https://letsdice.com, for example. Hope most of you be nice to me. Thank you.
PS: About the bankroll I have, I started "gambling" on JD with 3000BTC (apart from another 4000 for investment), and never down more than 700.
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So, can I interpret this as: the change was made specifically for me? only because I always win (bit, and legit). I'm somehow disappointed.
1. Max profit went down to 0.25%; (CHANGED WHEN I WAS PLAYING, WHICH IS UNFAIR.)
2. (not confirmed) the house edge raised when profit is larger than 50.
(I feel) The game is completely different. I wasn't able to drag the site's profit to down -6K. I don't remember, I once did(?), but seconds later I was down dramatically. And in the end, I lost 3K, which means, with a max profit of 70, I am incapable of winning back, crystally clear.Therefore, I'm leaving JD for good, since 1) I cannot win further; 2) I've proved my points.
Allow me restate: I respect doog and his work. Doog is an upstanding guy, and his work is wonderful. What happened during last three months, is nothing personal. Once doog asked me, "You always say you respect my work, why are you trying to kill the profit of JD?" I didn't and never meant to.
IMO, a winning whale is the most effective advertisement of a casino. However, most people here would disagree. They're more happy to see a whale is hunting down, beaten hard. I played by rules, and won. (I'm still up a lot.)
From now on, I'll only talk about project I'm involving, https://letsdice.com, for example. Hope most of you be nice to me. Thank you.
PS: About the bankroll I have, I started "gambling" on JD with 3000BTC (apart from another 4000 for investment), and never down more than 700.
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02:14:27 (1) so the change isn't permanent.
So, can I interpret this as: the change was made specifically for me? only because I always win (bit, and legit). I'm somehow disappointed.
Well, sometimes you lose when you gamble dude.. Kinda sucks but it happens. Good luck with your LD site.
September 25, 2013, 07:24:17 PM
I think you are right to feel targeted by the rule change but should no way view yourself as beaten.
As a (small) JD investor I did not like losing to you but don't think you were cheating and I never understood the allegations that you and dooglus were the same person. (Though apparently that bothered him quite a bit.)
To the extent that your point was that someone who is willing to take losses and keep playing can put the major hurt on sites like Just-Dice I think you are wholly vindicated. I joked in chat that you should play under the name "The Terminator" because you just kept going and going. While I think your success was due to variance rather than a system or exceptional luck, it really doesn't make much difference, the several thousand bitcoins you're sitting on attests to the correctness of the net effect of your views.
I'm sorry but I really don't like the idea of let's dice where I have to be part of a multi-level marketing deal to gamble or invest, but I do wish you luck with it.
As a (small) JD investor I did not like losing to you but don't think you were cheating and I never understood the allegations that you and dooglus were the same person. (Though apparently that bothered him quite a bit.)
To the extent that your point was that someone who is willing to take losses and keep playing can put the major hurt on sites like Just-Dice I think you are wholly vindicated. I joked in chat that you should play under the name "The Terminator" because you just kept going and going. While I think your success was due to variance rather than a system or exceptional luck, it really doesn't make much difference, the several thousand bitcoins you're sitting on attests to the correctness of the net effect of your views.
I'm sorry but I really don't like the idea of let's dice where I have to be part of a multi-level marketing deal to gamble or invest, but I do wish you luck with it.
September 25, 2013, 06:39:14 PM
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02:14:27 (1) so the change isn't permanent.
So, can I interpret this as: the change was made specifically for me? only because I always win (bit, and legit). I'm somehow disappointed.
Was there really any question it wasn't made specifically for you? You could take it as a compliment.
September 25, 2013, 06:21:12 PM
I was beaten hard today (as "percent" on JD). During the course of my play, just-dice.com's rule changed.
1. Max profit went down to 0.25%; (CHANGED WHEN I WAS PLAYING, WHICH IS UNFAIR.)
2. (not confirmed) the house edge raised when profit is larger than 50.
(I feel) The game is completely different. I wasn't able to drag the site's profit to down -6K. I don't remember, I once did(?), but seconds later I was down dramatically. And in the end, I lost 3K, which means, with a max profit of 70, I am incapable of winning back, crystally clear.Therefore, I'm leaving JD for good, since 1) I cannot win further; 2) I've proved my points.
Allow me restate: I respect doog and his work. Doog is an upstanding guy, and his work is wonderful. What happened during last three months, is nothing personal. Once doog asked me, "You always say you respect my work, why are you trying to kill the profit of JD?" I didn't and never meant to.
IMO, a winning whale is the most effective advertisement of a casino. However, most people here would disagree. They're more happy to see a whale is hunting down, beaten hard. I played by rules, and won. (I'm still up a lot.)
From now on, I'll only talk about project I'm involving, https://letsdice.com, for example. Hope most of you be nice to me. Thank you.
PS: About the bankroll I have, I started "gambling" on JD with 3000BTC (apart from another 4000 for investment), and never down more than 700.
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So, can I interpret this as: the change was made specifically for me? only because I always win (bit, and legit). I'm somehow disappointed.
1. Max profit went down to 0.25%; (CHANGED WHEN I WAS PLAYING, WHICH IS UNFAIR.)
2. (not confirmed) the house edge raised when profit is larger than 50.
(I feel) The game is completely different. I wasn't able to drag the site's profit to down -6K. I don't remember, I once did(?), but seconds later I was down dramatically. And in the end, I lost 3K, which means, with a max profit of 70, I am incapable of winning back, crystally clear.Therefore, I'm leaving JD for good, since 1) I cannot win further; 2) I've proved my points.
Allow me restate: I respect doog and his work. Doog is an upstanding guy, and his work is wonderful. What happened during last three months, is nothing personal. Once doog asked me, "You always say you respect my work, why are you trying to kill the profit of JD?" I didn't and never meant to.
IMO, a winning whale is the most effective advertisement of a casino. However, most people here would disagree. They're more happy to see a whale is hunting down, beaten hard. I played by rules, and won. (I'm still up a lot.)
From now on, I'll only talk about project I'm involving, https://letsdice.com, for example. Hope most of you be nice to me. Thank you.
PS: About the bankroll I have, I started "gambling" on JD with 3000BTC (apart from another 4000 for investment), and never down more than 700.
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02:14:27 (1) so the change isn't permanent.
So, can I interpret this as: the change was made specifically for me? only because I always win (bit, and legit). I'm somehow disappointed.
"2. (optional) set the limit on max profit. I've been trying to persuade him for a long time"
We have also been pursuing this with him for sometime I'm glad if the max was lowered.
If the payout odds actually changed while you was playing and clearly unaware then one would think that is theft. Please file a complaint
September 25, 2013, 04:33:16 PM
You aren't beaten if you just stop now.
Yes, please.
Thanks for that 0.10% + profit man!
September 25, 2013, 04:09:16 PM
1. Max profit went down to 0.25%; (CHANGED WHEN I WAS PLAYING, WHICH IS UNFAIR.)
He changed it while your balance was 0.
September 25, 2013, 01:39:20 PM
Yes. You proved that neither you nor the site op understand probability. I'm rooting for you to do the smart thing and quit while you're ahead, regardless.
I'm expecting doog will accept my advices: 1. raise the house edge, 2. (optional) set the limit on max profit. I've been trying to persuade him for a long time. However, it never occurs to me it would happen in this way, though.
BTW: I'm not upset or angry, I'm leaving a casino with large amount of winnings. In fact, I'm happy: I finally walked out of it.
September 25, 2013, 01:26:19 PM
You aren't beaten if you just stop now.
Partly true. However, can't you see I proved something?
Sadly, I think you indeed did prove something. That we weren't as confident in the math as we claimed to be. We changed the rules just because you were winning; no one had convincing evidence that you ever cheated.
Congratulations on the big wins, by the way. The last few days must have been exhilarating! I couldn't sleep and I wasn't even betting.
Doog knows exactly I wasn't cheating.
September 25, 2013, 12:57:27 PM
You aren't beaten if you just stop now.
Partly true. However, can't you see I proved something?
Sadly, I think you indeed did prove something. That we weren't as confident in the math as we claimed to be. We changed the rules just because you were winning; no one had convincing evidence that you ever cheated.
Congratulations on the big wins, by the way. The last few days must have been exhilarating! I couldn't sleep and I wasn't even betting.
September 25, 2013, 12:56:36 PM
Yes. You proved that neither you nor the site op understand probability. I'm rooting for you to do the smart thing and quit while you're ahead, regardless.
September 25, 2013, 12:43:53 PM
You aren't beaten if you just stop now.
Partly true. However, can't you see I proved something?
September 25, 2013, 12:40:44 PM
You aren't beaten if you just stop now.
September 25, 2013, 12:37:00 PM
House Edge still 1% for all bets. This was a stopgap measure.
The new plan is to raise the house edge gradually for bets with a max profit over 50BTC. It will remain 1% for all below.
The max bet will be raised after those changes are made
I won;t post in this thread any further, since I don't want to help you keep bumping your scam site.
New plan is you better find some gamblers who will play on the site as today has killed all gamblers trust in JD, IMO.
Changing the rule without warning players, is not good. I think.
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