Topic: HODL bitcoins, you can do it! Look at HODL camp map to build up strong hands - page 7. (Read 3149 times)

Well, usually timelines have to do with when you might need the money, and so there could be stages in which you are able to front load your investment in the beginning, so then by the time that you get 6-7 years in, then you might transition to investing in other things and maybe you don't quite need the money, so maybe you are anticipating that you might start to withdraw some of the money in a 20-25 year timeline.  It is good to have some expectations that might go out quite a way into the future, even if you might not know specifics, and you can adjust your plans as you go, since they will also make more sense once you have various investments and you might consider which ones will you start to draw upon first, and so hopefully you would have something other than bitcoin to draw upon first, yet sometimes for practicality purposes, you might have less ability to draw on some of them prior to others.


Even when folks invest aggressively, sometimes it can seem like it takes a long time to build an investment, but after a while, it might start to seem that the amount of the investment is worth way more than the amount put in, and surely it helps to invest into something that appreciates in value.. Of course, historically bitcoin has appreciated greatly in value, but that past performance does not guarantee future results.. even though we still likely realize that bitcoin remains amongst the best of investments that is currently available in wide-spread ways to all people around the world - even if some people do have some difficulties accessing bitcoin without some effort on their part to either learn about it or to learn some technical matters, so that may well not exclude them financially from investing into it, even though it takes some effort and will power to set up plans to first invest and then second to aggressively invest upon learning what bitcoin is.

Maybe another widespread fallacy that is made regards the world's knowledge of bitcoin, which is not true that many people know what the fuck bitcoin is, even if more and more people have heard the word, but they still don't really know what bitcoin is because if they actually knew what bitcoin is, then more people would already taken action to actually have had bought bitcoin, and even though the bitcoin's price is pumping stupendously, there are overwhelming majority of people who have no access to bitcoin and they have  not set up any account in which they can get it, so we are still very early in terms of both knowledge and adoption.

 I can actually Relate, wasting your time in some Damn shit coins that would endup bringing nothing other than losses most time . Most of those shit coin are the reason most users don't have confidence in investing again due to the scar a certain coin left on them . Because as a newbie with no proper knowledge about the space, came across post on social media how people are making millions in this space they would endup developing a childish mindset thinking you can just get risk ones in this space over night leading them to be mislead by others in, investing in some shit coin in order to make huge profits in a short term, but ended making great losses . That would reduce the trust and confidence for that user in investing in this space that why they keep telling those who are new to start their investment in this space with Bitcoin in order to be a safer side.

Hodling bitcoin is the best approach in the investment of it. And not the one that some investors buy and sell to get their profit within a short period of time. But when you buy enough and hodle it for years before selling them you will make enough profit from it. Some people can't hodle bitcoin for like even 3 month, and those people are gamblers and traders. Because they are always eager to use them either to play gamble thinking to win more so that they can return the ones they collect from the investment but in the process lost all and that is the same to the traders. They would be thinking to us the investment funds to trade so that they can have profit and return the one they collected it from the investment but all was lost.

So to avoid all those things, it is better to keep the investment in the non custodial wallet and wait for the All Time High.

I still remember in my early days in the crypto space I bought some cheap coins and hold thinking that when the bull season comes it will pump and give me a huge ROI. Unfortunately, after several years of holding, I'd never see it comes, not even until now and I wasted my money and time waiting for such an impossible thing in shitcoins. This is enough to tell us that buying and holding Bitcoin is the best thing to do even if the price is quite expensive rather than wasting our money on cheap coins that we only get nothing in the end. We ain't get 100% assurance here but choosing Bitcoin gives us peace of mind and little worries as we never lose if we hold and sell at a higher price.

Ok I got it from the example you just wrote that all points are equally important and one can't ignore anyone while making investment strategy. Or it may be that important points may change based on the scenario in which we are analysing it.


That's true that I am not a receipt of large sum of money and probably that's why I am saying that to me cash flow is an important factor so that I can decide how much I will invest in.
To the question you posed, I think I still have 20 to 25 years left before I think I will be too old for any further investments. I think if I can keep investing for next 6 to 7 years aggressively then I will be very much in good Hypo's

Sure cashflow is important, but I have troubles suggesting that as a general principle cashflow is going to be more important than the others.

We could even look at the earlier hypos that I provided, or maybe we have to come up with some other example in which we might suggest three guys with similar levels of cashflow..

let's say that each of them earn around $3k per month, and they each have about $2k in expenses.  So there is $1k left over that could be used for investing into bitcoin... so all three guys are pretty much the same.  Let's say that each of them have equally-sized investment portfolios when it comes to various non-BTC stuff.. and maybe they have around $100k in their various non-BTC investments.

So this is the ONLY way that the three guys differ.

Guy one has 5 BTC

the second guy has 2.5 BTC

and the 3rd guy has zero BTC

That seems to be a pretty important fact.

What if we take another hypothetical with guys that are very similar in their networth and their cashflow except one guy is 25 years old, the second guy is 50 years old and the 3rd guy is 75 years old.  timeline for these guys seems to be pretty important for their decision-making.

What if we take another example that involves similar cashflow but different kinds of investments or sizes of investments.

I guess that my point is that all of the factors are likely important to consider in terms of how each of the factors affects how a guy is going to approach his bitcoin investment.

But if you are suggesting that cashflow is the most important because you have to have a cashflow before you can even invest, then sure that probably is true unless you happen to be the recipient of some large sum of money and then you are just trying to figure out how to allocate that money so that you can generate a passive income into the future... so then the value that you are receiving is going to serve as a cashflow, as long as you invest it in a way that causes it to be sustainable rather than eating into the principle... but whether you want to eat into the principle or have the investment as sustainable would likely depend on your timeline.. asking yourself: how long you need to make this investment/principle last?

You do have this speciality of "the gift of gab" only if you have sound knowledge and experience about the topic you are speaking. Saylor has made this repute after spending so much time, mind and money in Bitcoin.


These 9 points are equally important and from my perspective the cash flow is the biggest factor that influence you investment strategy about Bitcoin. Of course everyone has its own way of looking about these 9 points. I would make decision only after calculating how much cash flow I have for Bitcoin.



After you spend time in accumulating Bitcoin one can adjust his strategy about when to invest lump sum, DCA and on dips. DCA for me is an on going process and anyone who is true lover of Bitcoin will never stop accumulating Bitcoin no matter how much Bitcoins he has. You need some kind of experience to go with lump sum and on dips. That's not a big issue, it comes with time.


This is a kind of concern in Bitcoin that security of your wallets must be of prime concern for you. Normally security is considered as an after thought in many process. The realisation that if you lose, you wont recover it comes only when you face some sort of issue in securing your wallets.

Focus on Bitcoin so you don't complicated things for yourself. As a newbie, if you don't take necessary steps at getting the clarifications, you might think that anything that answer crypto is worth holding. That is how problem starts and you will hate anything crypto with Bitcoin inclusive. So the right world in this thread is Bitcoin, buy and hold as that is the only way. If you hodl anything else, you might end up hold a bag of shitcoins... I hope you don't want that?

Fuck crypto..

We are talking about bitcoin in this thread.

Hopefully you know the difference, but the fact that you used that word seems to establish that you don't... .. so hopefully you can spend some time learning about what bitcoin is so that you know how to properly speak.   

You have a lot of confidence.  Of course, people have their specialities.. and Saylor is pretty damned gifted in the gab department.. Someone might call it "the gift of gab"  .. ..


We look at the quantity of BTC and we look at how long that they have been in, but then they may also be considering various aspects of their personal situation that include the 9 factors.

They also may not be ready to move into something that involves sustainable withdrawal or maintenance, even though they may well consider that they have accumulated enough based on their own circumstances.


Fair enough.. though I hate to take away various kinds of individualization.., and the many times that I have suggested that lump sum frequently is not really available.. .. but there could be times in which someone is investing for a while, and then he receives a bonus or maybe some kind of extra payment (income) and then all of a sudden he has a lump sum opportunity, so then what is he going to do?  Perhaps consider lump sum, buying on the dips and DCA.. and so how he goes about it may well also include other things going on, including how many BTC he had already accumulated, so buying on dips can be another tool, especially for someone who has already bought a decent amount of BTC within a certain price range... so if we are striving to accumulate bitcoin, then we sometimes will want to consider buying on the dip,  along side with lump sum and DCA... and various other financial management strategies that help us to conclude the extent to which we might be getting overallocated in bitcoin at any given time.


Preservation of capital does become more and more important when you build up your holdings, and historically in bitcoin there have been times when the price shot up so much that some guys might not have had known how to handle the situation and/or to improve their security of their wallets and/or their storage locations in order to account for the increased value of the coins.

I suggest to go for it. You will defiantly be as good as Michael J. Saylor in Podcast.


Hypo-1. 300 BTC (10 years)
Hypo-2. 115 BTC (10 years)
Hypo-4. 150 BTC (5 years)

Above is just a quick summery of these 3 Hypo's and you are right in saying that they have adequate number of Bitcoins at the disposal but they are in Bitcoin for quite a while. If you spend your time with right strategy in Bitcoin then after sometimes your portfolio is like that. One has to keep that in mind. 


I think this is key take away from what we are discussing for quite a while now i.e. Lump Sum and DCA are best combo.


If you go 10 years back then there is massive difference in price with what we have right now. So yes if you lost those coins then you wont be able to get back to that position.
Those who investing now should keep this thing in mind that it will take years before you get into good position into Bitcoin.

Let's say in short term, some altcoins can give altcoin enthusiasts very high ROIs, much higher (so better) than Bitcoin but it only last some weeks, months or up to two years. When a bear market comes, they lose 90% to 99% of their ATH price and it's when they are no longer better than Bitcoin.

Zoom out, in long term, Bitcoin is the best in ROI and the safest too, no roll back, no death.

ROIs show that fact

• https://casebitcoin.com/charts#roi_chart

there are nothing in crypto that brings better and best than Bitcoin lol .

I know and happened to see this currency for more than 7 years now and Indeed that HODLING  have been the perfect way to treat not only because its ranking number 1 but because this is the safest.

I will never have any better investing than Bitcoin (not in bank and not in real estate) but bitcoin.

In most senorio case some people always have that conclusions that any token that got listed in exchange have good potentials which has seen not have any validations as regards to that, that a token is listed in exchange doesn't guarantee the token having potential neither does the early market cap as some person may have it that  it determine success of token. Bitcoin has significantly showm to be the best which should be consider in your investment portfolio.

I still remember several tokens I invested in those days that got me entangled in those jargons. First they will launch their token, use that to collect money from people and they list their glorified token in exchange which will die immediately or after some few manipulations by the founders until at least they liquidate their holdings. After this stage, they will then launch worthless NFTs backed by huge marketing to collect more money from unsuspecting victims until the hype will die and the team will move on to the next project.

Wish I knew what I know now, those funds I wasted would have been used to build a decent Bitcoin portfolio that would have made me financially comfortable today. I only find consolation in the fact that I did not abandon this entire concept and I have also found courage to start building my Bitcoin portfolio when I did. Indeed, Bitcoin is the way forward, the earlier anyone avoid the distractions with these numerous coins, the better. 

To me these types of people just lack one thing, and to me they lack the right knowledge of how to go about it. Investing in Bitcoin is very easy, because you can be buying it bit by bit through the DCA method and be accumulating  it as much as possible, where the challenge normal comes is knowing how to hold, because in Bitcoin investment, patience alone is not enough, you have to have a source of income and an emergency fund so as to keep you going not to tamper with your investment if you are in need of any basic needs of life, so to me, having the right knowledge is key.

I admire guys who have podcasts and who pull off good content on a regular basis.. It would be a lot of work.


It is difficult to completely flesh out the circumstances, but it seems that at least Hypos 1, 2 and 4 have come to BTC with enough capital and had invested somewhat aggressively and have had a sufficient amount of time pass in their investment, so it starts to seem that they may well have enough BTC in light of their own situations at the time that they came into bitcoin.  Each person has to assess, but I am describing situations in which they may well reasonably come to conclusions that they have enough BTC and they may well not need to accumulate any more BTC....

Of course there are going to be guys that do not need that many coins, especially if they might live in a lower cost of living area, or they might have expectations in which they might ONLY want to spend around $40k per year rather than $100k per year.. or whatever their monthly/annual budget might be.


Yep.. if you are able to lump sum and/or front load your BTC investment, there are likely going to be advantages in that.  The ability to supplement with DCA and buying on dips surely helps if the BTC price runs against you after you have made your lump sum buys.


I will see if (or when) I am able to do it, and if it might make sense to make that additional comparison.


It can be very difficult to get back your principle if you lose it.. especially if you think about any of the guys Hypo 1 through 6.  They had 10 and 5 years investing into bitcoin respectively, and if they lost their BTC, they may well not be able to get them back anywhere close to the prices that they bought them.

Some people still find it difficult to invest in Bitcoin by Hodling not only because of their limited patience, but it could also be because they are not financially ready to do this so far, which means their investment plans have to be postponed first. Because most people who have invested in Bitcoin by hodling must have prepared everything in advance, such as better financial conditions, so that they can keep their investment longer under all conditions. So by not interrupting investments because of certain conditions in their lives, Bitcoin investors can also get more profits while they are still able to survive and maintain their investments without immediately selling for a reason.

To be honest, altcoin projects do not offer any attractive features at all. They all always emphasize cheap transaction fees and fast transaction speeds, but other than that, I don't see anything outstanding that really deserves our attention. But if just to get cheap fees and fast transaction speed but lose the decentralized nature, do you need it? So if there are any altcoins that can create a blockchain with cheap transaction fees and fast speeds while retaining the decentralized nature of bitcoin then they will truly excel. Otherwise they are nothing worth our attention.

For me, altcoins used for speculation or gambling are more suitable. We can take advantage of our knowledge to speculate and should leave after making a profit. Don't believe any promises made by any altcoin.

The solution to this is to have a Podcast, where we will get what you say. 


"Hypo-1: 300 BTC - Around $225k invested, average cost per BTC $750, valued at around $9.3 million based on 200-WMA and $15.6 million spot price."

In these you mentioned Hypo's, a person has adequate number of Bitcoins so he can move on with DCA for rest of period. 


Agree. If am getting right then Lump Sum plus DCA is the right way to move in the long runs.


This is what I was about to write when wrote about your plan to roll out 1a,4a and 7a. This will make it difficult for anyone new to these Hypo's and trying to understand that.


Defiantly if you don't have a right path to invest in Bitcoin then you will end up in loss.
About gambling this quote just hit my mind. "In gambling, a winner is the one who knows when to stop".