Homosexuality is caused by being molested

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Quote from: criptix on February 24, 2016, 05:57:28 PM

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Quote from: mainpmf on February 24, 2016, 08:34:39 AM

Your statement isn't completely stupid but you're wrong, a study can't be judged only by who paid for it and who made it!

Sample surveys and opinion polls can be manipulated in several ways.

For example, you can ask the same question in two different tones.

1. "Do you want to punish 16-year olds with jail time similar to the case with adult offenders, if they commit serious offenses? Or should they be sent to special juvenile institutions instead?"

and

2. "Do you think that rapists deserve jail-time, even if they are slightly under the age of 18?"

I am quite sure that the percentage of people agreeing with #2 will be more than #1.

That just means your methodology sucks and that you have no clues about real scientific studies.

Well he's just explaining how a study can be flawed...

He's not saying that all studies are useless and stupid because numbers can be manipulated, he's just saying that each study is influenced by the way it was planned and then by the people behind it paying the scientists conducting the study.

Rather true IMHO

I understood that.
And for me it shows either bad methodology and/or the abstinence of objectivity.
Both is a the A and O for a real and good scientific study:

Not biased and be able to reproduced.

Oh ok. I agree then. It's the real point that should be checked before considering a study. Not who made it but has scientific method been respected.

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Quote from: xslugx on February 24, 2016, 05:53:32 PM

Quote from: criptix on February 24, 2016, 05:26:57 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 24, 2016, 09:38:03 AM

Quote from: mainpmf on February 24, 2016, 08:34:39 AM

Your statement isn't completely stupid but you're wrong, a study can't be judged only by who paid for it and who made it!

Sample surveys and opinion polls can be manipulated in several ways.

For example, you can ask the same question in two different tones.

1. "Do you want to punish 16-year olds with jail time similar to the case with adult offenders, if they commit serious offenses? Or should they be sent to special juvenile institutions instead?"

and

2. "Do you think that rapists deserve jail-time, even if they are slightly under the age of 18?"

I am quite sure that the percentage of people agreeing with #2 will be more than #1.

That just means your methodology sucks and that you have no clues about real scientific studies.

Well he's just explaining how a study can be flawed...

He's not saying that all studies are useless and stupid because numbers can be manipulated, he's just saying that each study is influenced by the way it was planned and then by the people behind it paying the scientists conducting the study.

Rather true IMHO

I understood that.
And for me it shows either bad methodology and/or the abstinence of objectivity.
Both is a the A and O for a real and good scientific study:

Not biased and be able to reproduced.

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Quote from: af_newbie on February 24, 2016, 05:42:58 PM

Quote from: valta4065 on February 24, 2016, 10:16:16 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on February 24, 2016, 09:54:43 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 24, 2016, 04:58:25 AM

Quote from: McDonalds5 on February 24, 2016, 03:48:26 AM

Science with an agenda is not actual science, it's called politics

Just to let you know Wink

If we accept research done by the LGBT lobbying groups, then we should also accept the same done by anti-LGBT groups such as various Christian organizations and conservative groups. This is like using the "research" done by Joseph Goebbels in the 1930s to claim that the Jews are an inferior race. LGBT lobbying groups are the new Nazis.

Conservative groups yes, but Christian organizations, well, no.

Bronze age nonsense is where you have to draw the line.

Ahah

Well I say you should accept all and study them.
A good study isn't a study made by an independant organization (there is no such thing) but a study that can be easily criticized, giving precisely the used methodology and the percentage of error.

I think it might be waste of time to analyze Christian studies. I might be wrong, but I feel whatever they come up with would require you to put bronze age glasses to understand any of it. These people believe in invisible guy in the sky, crackers that turn into human flesh, wine that turns into blood, and don't get me started on their moral code. I'm sorry, I'd not listen to studies done by delusional people.

Objective studies, sure. But studies driven by religious groups by definition are not scientific.

I remember a study asked by religious American about the behaviour of religious children.

They were so full of themselves and so sure that they asked an independant organization to make the study. The study showed that on average religious kids were more violent, less generous and forgived less easily to other people xD

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Quote from: criptix on February 24, 2016, 05:26:57 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 24, 2016, 09:38:03 AM

Quote from: mainpmf on February 24, 2016, 08:34:39 AM

Your statement isn't completely stupid but you're wrong, a study can't be judged only by who paid for it and who made it!

Sample surveys and opinion polls can be manipulated in several ways.

For example, you can ask the same question in two different tones.

1. "Do you want to punish 16-year olds with jail time similar to the case with adult offenders, if they commit serious offenses? Or should they be sent to special juvenile institutions instead?"

and

2. "Do you think that rapists deserve jail-time, even if they are slightly under the age of 18?"

I am quite sure that the percentage of people agreeing with #2 will be more than #1.

That just means your methodology sucks and that you have no clues about real scientific studies.

Well he's just explaining how a study can be flawed...

He's not saying that all studies are useless and stupid because numbers can be manipulated, he's just saying that each study is influenced by the way it was planned and then by the people behind it paying the scientists conducting the study.

Rather true IMHO

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Quote from: valta4065 on February 24, 2016, 10:16:16 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on February 24, 2016, 09:54:43 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 24, 2016, 04:58:25 AM

Quote from: McDonalds5 on February 24, 2016, 03:48:26 AM

Science with an agenda is not actual science, it's called politics

Just to let you know Wink

If we accept research done by the LGBT lobbying groups, then we should also accept the same done by anti-LGBT groups such as various Christian organizations and conservative groups. This is like using the "research" done by Joseph Goebbels in the 1930s to claim that the Jews are an inferior race. LGBT lobbying groups are the new Nazis.

Conservative groups yes, but Christian organizations, well, no.

Bronze age nonsense is where you have to draw the line.

Ahah

Well I say you should accept all and study them.
A good study isn't a study made by an independant organization (there is no such thing) but a study that can be easily criticized, giving precisely the used methodology and the percentage of error.

I think it might be waste of time to analyze Christian studies. I might be wrong, but I feel whatever they come up with would require you to put bronze age glasses to understand any of it. These people believe in invisible guy in the sky, crackers that turn into human flesh, wine that turns into blood, and don't get me started on their moral code. I'm sorry, I'd not listen to studies done by delusional people.

Objective studies, sure. But studies driven by religious groups by definition are not scientific.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 24, 2016, 09:38:03 AM

Quote from: mainpmf on February 24, 2016, 08:34:39 AM

Your statement isn't completely stupid but you're wrong, a study can't be judged only by who paid for it and who made it!

Sample surveys and opinion polls can be manipulated in several ways.

For example, you can ask the same question in two different tones.

1. "Do you want to punish 16-year olds with jail time similar to the case with adult offenders, if they commit serious offenses? Or should they be sent to special juvenile institutions instead?"

and

2. "Do you think that rapists deserve jail-time, even if they are slightly under the age of 18?"

I am quite sure that the percentage of people agreeing with #2 will be more than #1.

That just means your methodology sucks and that you have no clues about real scientific studies.

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Quote from: af_newbie on February 24, 2016, 09:54:43 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 24, 2016, 04:58:25 AM

Quote from: McDonalds5 on February 24, 2016, 03:48:26 AM

Science with an agenda is not actual science, it's called politics

Just to let you know Wink

If we accept research done by the LGBT lobbying groups, then we should also accept the same done by anti-LGBT groups such as various Christian organizations and conservative groups. This is like using the "research" done by Joseph Goebbels in the 1930s to claim that the Jews are an inferior race. LGBT lobbying groups are the new Nazis.

Conservative groups yes, but Christian organizations, well, no.

Bronze age nonsense is where you have to draw the line.

Ahah

Well I say you should accept all and study them.
A good study isn't a study made by an independant organization (there is no such thing) but a study that can be easily criticized, giving precisely the used methodology and the percentage of error.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 24, 2016, 09:38:03 AM

Quote from: mainpmf on February 24, 2016, 08:34:39 AM

Your statement isn't completely stupid but you're wrong, a study can't be judged only by who paid for it and who made it!

Sample surveys and opinion polls can be manipulated in several ways.

For example, you can ask the same question in two different tones.

1. "Do you want to punish 16-year olds with jail time similar to the case with adult offenders, if they commit serious offenses? Or should they be sent to special juvenile institutions instead?"

and

2. "Do you think that rapists deserve jail-time, even if they are slightly under the age of 18?"

I am quite sure that the percentage of people agreeing with #2 will be more than #1.

Of course but you can't just take that into account, else you never take any study into account!

Any study has to be made by people, those people have to be paid. Hence there is no truly independant study.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 24, 2016, 04:58:25 AM

Quote from: McDonalds5 on February 24, 2016, 03:48:26 AM

Science with an agenda is not actual science, it's called politics

Just to let you know Wink

If we accept research done by the LGBT lobbying groups, then we should also accept the same done by anti-LGBT groups such as various Christian organizations and conservative groups. This is like using the "research" done by Joseph Goebbels in the 1930s to claim that the Jews are an inferior race. LGBT lobbying groups are the new Nazis.

Conservative groups yes, but Christian organizations, well, no.

Bronze age nonsense is where you have to draw the line.

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Quote from: mainpmf on February 24, 2016, 08:34:39 AM

Your statement isn't completely stupid but you're wrong, a study can't be judged only by who paid for it and who made it!

Sample surveys and opinion polls can be manipulated in several ways.

For example, you can ask the same question in two different tones.

1. "Do you want to punish 16-year olds with jail time similar to the case with adult offenders, if they commit serious offenses? Or should they be sent to special juvenile institutions instead?"

and

2. "Do you think that rapists deserve jail-time, even if they are slightly under the age of 18?"

I am quite sure that the percentage of people agreeing with #2 will be more than #1.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 24, 2016, 04:58:25 AM

Quote from: McDonalds5 on February 24, 2016, 03:48:26 AM

Science with an agenda is not actual science, it's called politics

Just to let you know Wink

If we accept research done by the LGBT lobbying groups, then we should also accept the same done by anti-LGBT groups such as various Christian organizations and conservative groups. This is like using the "research" done by Joseph Goebbels in the 1930s to claim that the Jews are an inferior race. LGBT lobbying groups are the new Nazis.

Your statement isn't completely stupid but you're wrong, a study can't be judged only by who paid for it and who made it!

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 24, 2016, 04:58:25 AM

Quote from: McDonalds5 on February 24, 2016, 03:48:26 AM

Science with an agenda is not actual science, it's called politics

Just to let you know Wink

If we accept research done by the LGBT lobbying groups, then we should also accept the same done by anti-LGBT groups such as various Christian organizations and conservative groups. This is like using the "research" done by Joseph Goebbels in the 1930s to claim that the Jews are an inferior race. LGBT lobbying groups are the new Nazis.

Well the important part is that the study is not backed by anything!

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Quote from: McDonalds5 on February 24, 2016, 03:48:26 AM

Science with an agenda is not actual science, it's called politics

Just to let you know Wink

If we accept research done by the LGBT lobbying groups, then we should also accept the same done by anti-LGBT groups such as various Christian organizations and conservative groups. This is like using the "research" done by Joseph Goebbels in the 1930s to claim that the Jews are an inferior race. LGBT lobbying groups are the new Nazis.

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Quote from: af_newbie on February 23, 2016, 02:40:34 PM

Quote from: McDonalds5 on February 23, 2016, 01:50:14 PM

I totally agree and it's a social phenomenon also. As homosexualism is advertised more and more in the declining western nations, the number of homosexuals increases. It's just basic demand creation like any other product or social behavior.

So we need a bronze age moral code to keep the number of homosexual in check, is that it? Or ban homosexuality so that they stay in the closet? Is that your solution?

Go buy yourself a clue.

Especially considering the amount of homesexual doesn't really evolve. Which means it's just a natural standard.

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Quote from: Moloch on February 23, 2016, 03:20:16 PM

I'll just rely on the science that shows a correlation between homophobia, and hidden homosexual tenancies (you're in the closet)

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals/

Science with an agenda is not actual science, it's called politics

Just to let you know Wink

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Quote from: Moloch on February 23, 2016, 03:20:16 PM

I'll just rely on the science that shows a correlation between homophobia, and hidden homosexual tenancies (you're in the closet)

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals/

Lol!

Ok now that's cool!
Not sure this study is really relevant, I don't see how you can put such data together. But that's cool xD

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I'll just rely on the science that shows a correlation between homophobia, and hidden homosexual tenancies (you're in the closet)

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals/

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Quote from: youdamushi on February 23, 2016, 02:38:07 PM

I thus proved that you live in a way that is nothing but natural, and hence that doing natural things isn't an argument.

If it's not an argument, then why are you using it as your argument?

Quote from: youdamushi on February 23, 2016, 02:38:07 PM

Because you seemed to attach a great importance to living in a "natural way".

That's a strawman argument, because I never said anything like this.

Stop trying to change my arguments.

Quote from: youdamushi on February 23, 2016, 02:38:07 PM

Oh, beautiful strawman fallacy as I never said anything like this.

Quote from: youdamushi on February 23, 2016, 02:38:07 PM

I never said anything else. Stop trying to change my arguments in order to feel convincing.

Now you're just arguing against yourself to be funny. I get it.

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Quote from: McDonalds5 on February 23, 2016, 01:50:14 PM

I totally agree and it's a social phenomenon also. As homosexualism is advertised more and more in the declining western nations, the number of homosexuals increases. It's just basic demand creation like any other product or social behavior.

So we need a bronze age moral code to keep the number of homosexual in check, is that it? Or ban homosexuality so that they stay in the closet? Is that your solution?

Go buy yourself a clue.

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Quote from: runpaint on February 23, 2016, 02:27:12 PM

Quote from: youdamushi on February 23, 2016, 02:13:39 PM

Quote from: runpaint on February 23, 2016, 01:40:56 PM

Quote from: youdamushi on February 23, 2016, 01:31:50 PM

It's nothing bad it's just a natural sexual orientation

Quote from: youdamushi on February 21, 2016, 07:30:02 AM

Bah, it doesn't matter for them. The same people talking about what's "natural" are those flying in planes and using internet. So natural...

Great! seems like you're trying to find contradictions in my speech!

Sadly for you there is no contradiction. All I'm saying is that homosexuality is a natural thing and that people like you don't even understand what the word natural means, and what importance this word has ( a rather small one as main Human goal is to get rid of Natural limits).
But good try, I'll give you a participation point!

So you're "talking about what's natural" and also criticizing "people talking about what's natural".

And then you say it has little importance, although you criticized people for talking about nature even though "it doesn't matter for them".

Anything else you'd like yo disagree with yourself about?

Oh, beautiful strawman fallacy as I never said anything like this.
My words were: "It's a natural behaviour" Because you said it was not normal to be homosexual. I thus proved you that it's a behaviour you encounter in multiple species not only humans, hence it's natural.
Then "The same people talking about what's "natural" are those flying in planes and using internet. So natural..." Because you seemed to attach a great importance to living in a "natural way". I thus proved that you live in a way that is nothing but natural, and hence that doing natural things isn't an argument.

I never said anything else. Stop trying to change my arguments in order to feel convincing.

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