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Do you think that gambling have a place with the metaverse in the future? I had a dream about being able to gamble online with people that aren't living close to me, we meet in the metaverse and it looks real, I know that sometimes when you think positively about something it is possible to dream about it.

I am well aware of all the hype around AI lately, but I don't personally find the AI + gambling combination attractive. Of course, the general public may like it, but this is certainly not for me.

It does look attractive but in a closer look, AI + gambling = the same result as the normal gambling. Since gambling has random result, I do not think AI can be taken advantage to produce more chance of winnings.

AI is famous today and maybe they just connect it since they think that maybe there will be a huge chance to win if they apply the AI generated result when betting in a casino.

But for sure all will be in random places so to crazy thoughts for believing on such things since it doesn't have any proof that it really work.

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I understand that the free version of chatgpt is the one that everyone has the option to enter except for the sop prohibited countries, in my case my country is prohibited and there is no way I could enter because they need numbers from foreign countries for a simple registration, And even so, if you have it, it does not allow users from my country to enter, I do not know if the apga version allows them to enter, however I have thought about the following, if CHATGPT-4 allows you to make videos and a series of things is very Simple, the prediction functions are not available to common users, but I'm sure they have worked on them, but they don't release them to the world.

Can you really not access ChatGPT? I didn't know that they have some countries restricted and they cannot use their services, I thought it's available worldwide and anyone from any country can use it. If you can't access the free version, I bet you can't access the paid version as well if it's a restriction for your country of residence.

About betting or prediction abilities, I don't think that they've done anything in specific about that, the difference between both versions is that the paid version has access to the most up to date data and also provides more accurate and sophisticated answers to prompts.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 17, 2023, 10:40:31 AM

Can you make bets on horses that are AI vs making bets on real horses? I see a new gambling project that focuses on horse racing only and I am surprised that those horses are not real live horses, I went deep doing research and it kinda looks like players will be the ones fine-tuning their horses 🐎 for better performance and go ahead to head with other players.

Do you think that gambling have a place with the metaverse in the future? I had a dream about being able to gamble online with people that aren't living close to me, we meet in the metaverse and it looks real, I know that sometimes when you think positively about something it is possible to dream about it.

I haven't bet on AI horses or I just can't remember it at all, maybe zed.run was like that? If yes, then I bet on it already. I think I have the same thread related to metaverse and gambling and yes they are entirely possible to coexist. This is revolutionary gambling but I think it will take years before we realized it fully and be adopted.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 17, 2023, 10:40:31 AM

Can you make bets on horses that are AI vs making bets on real horses? I see a new gambling project that focuses on horse racing only and I am surprised that those horses are not real live horses, I went deep doing research and it kinda looks like players will be the ones fine-tuning their horses 🐎 for better performance and go ahead to head with other players.

Do you think that gambling have a place with the metaverse in the future? I had a dream about being able to gamble online with people that aren't living close to me, we meet in the metaverse and it looks real, I know that sometimes when you think positively about something it is possible to dream about it.

I think there is a place for gambling in the metaverse, but the main sports activities to bet on will be online players, who are supposed to play online multiplayer games... As for fully computer-driven games, I don't think it's gonna be interesting, just like watching bots only competition in an online game...

Then those multiplayer games are supposed to take place on the metaverse, then. We already have very interesting and competitive games and leagues where people partake and bet much money, like Counter Strike or League of Legends.

The problem is that in the Metaverse and with the current technology it has not been possible for people to have access to an addictive, competitive and fun game like those, which would require a Virtual Reality set.

Facebook/Meta is very far form reaching anything close to creating a new e-sport and the only successful VR games seems to be single player experiences, like Half Life: Alyx.

Just another reason I think the Metaverse still has a long path to go before harboring an active community of bettors.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on April 17, 2023, 11:14:31 AM

It has a two dimensional effect to gamblers, some think about AI as a smart way to win against the house when gambling because they presumed it offers them a unique opportunity lime the bots could offer in making them have a better experience in gambling since everything works being automated, the second aspect is the approach the casino operators give to it as a means to cheat on their system, they think it will work less beneficial for them than how it will pay them.

I definitely agree with your statement.

The approach is somehow questionable given on how the gambling platform views AI betting either as legal or illegal. Regardless, however, betting on AI can provide numerous advantage, such as collecting data from previous races, etc. If permitted by the gambling platform, the gambling, however, should not completely rely on the findings of the AI alone. He/she must decide, given all the information the person has, on which horse to bet on.

Given this approach, betting using AI can be advantageous and convenient but one should not completely rely on it. If you mix it with your intuition and data, then the chances of a person winning is higher compared to your average gambler.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 17, 2023, 10:40:31 AM

Do you think that gambling have a place with the metaverse in the future? I had a dream about being able to gamble online with people that aren't living close to me, we meet in the metaverse and it looks real, I know that sometimes when you think positively about something it is possible to dream about it.

I am well aware of all the hype around AI lately, but I don't personally find the AI + gambling combination attractive. Of course, the general public may like it, but this is certainly not for me.

It does look attractive but in a closer look, AI + gambling = the same result as the normal gambling. Since gambling has random result, I do not think AI can be taken advantage to produce more chance of winnings.

Quote from: Porfirii on May 05, 2023, 06:12:42 AM

About gambling and metaverse, as a semi-hardcore user of Second Life in the past I can tell you that it would be indeed a really good idea. Some plinko machines lying here and there were very successful back then in that metaverse, and the concept of a tavern where you can see football matches, for example, with people that aren't living close to you, and also bet, seems great to me.

Metaverse is a perfect place for virtual gambling. With Metaverse, players can have almost the same feel of gambling in a land-based casino especially if the game is created via first-person perspective where you can roam around the Metaverse, being able to interact with things around. I know it requires hard effort but once the metaverse is perfectly implemented, I think it will bring boost to gambling industry and may create a new era of gambling.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 17, 2023, 10:40:31 AM

Can you make bets on horses that are AI vs making bets on real horses? I see a new gambling project that focuses on horse racing only and I am surprised that those horses are not real live horses, I went deep doing research and it kinda looks like players will be the ones fine-tuning their horses 🐎 for better performance and go ahead to head with other players.

Do you think that gambling have a place with the metaverse in the future? I had a dream about being able to gamble online with people that aren't living close to me, we meet in the metaverse and it looks real, I know that sometimes when you think positively about something it is possible to dream about it.

I think there is a place for gambling in the metaverse, but the main sports activities to bet on will be online players, who are supposed to play online multiplayer games... As for fully computer-driven games, I don't think it's gonna be interesting, just like watching bots only competition in an online game...

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 17, 2023, 10:40:31 AM

Do you think that gambling have a place with the metaverse in the future? I had a dream about being able to gamble online with people that aren't living close to me, we meet in the metaverse and it looks real, I know that sometimes when you think positively about something it is possible to dream about it.

I am well aware of all the hype around AI lately, but I don't personally find the AI + gambling combination attractive. Of course, the general public may like it, but this is certainly not for me.

About gambling and metaverse, as a semi-hardcore user of Second Life in the past I can tell you that it would be indeed a really good idea. Some plinko machines lying here and there were very successful back then in that metaverse, and the concept of a tavern where you can see football matches, for example, with people that aren't living close to you, and also bet, seems great to me.

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I think that AI coming to the gambling industry can do a lot, considering that we also don't know what the development of AI will be like in the future. If AI is developed in other businesses and receives attention from many businesses, AI will be developed for the gambling business. Especially with the many creative ideas that can emerge after the development of AI in other businesses has progressed rapidly. The application of AI for each business depends on the business owner. If AI can be more profitable for business owners, they will try to apply it while asking for customer suggestions and criticism.

For a gambling business, maybe Al is currently only used to assist them in a customer service or customer service chat where later Al will answer all complaints or questions from customers.
But it seems that we really don't know how Al will develop in the future but expecting more and relying too much on Al is not a good thing.
If it is said that it is profitable for casino business people, it seems that it is indeed profitable because it can be more helpful and saves work that must be done by the service team, it's just that the team still has to monitor and sort out what kind of problems must be solved because Al certainly can't solve all problems which exists.

And that's why I said we should keep using the methods we are used to while still waiting for the updates made by each AI developer. If there is something good and interesting to try, we can try it right away, especially if the development provided by the developer is better than before.

That can help the casino track down members who have problems so they can read up on other information and if that's not enough, they can pass it on to the support services and agents who will help right away.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 17, 2023, 10:40:31 AM

Can you make bets on horses that are AI vs making bets on real horses? I see a new gambling project that focuses on horse racing only and I am surprised that those horses are not real live horses, I went deep doing research and it kinda looks like players will be the ones fine-tuning their horses 🐎 for better performance and go ahead to head with other players.

Do you think that gambling have a place with the metaverse in the future? I had a dream about being able to gamble online with people that aren't living close to me, we meet in the metaverse and it looks real, I know that sometimes when you think positively about something it is possible to dream about it.

It sounds like a regular car racing game where we can improve our cars. Therefore, I don't understand the point of giving people the opportunity to upgrade their horses, and then place bets. Then there should be restrictions, by type: you cann't set all settings to the maximum at once; if you improve one skill, then the rest become worse. And it is important that all the changes made are publicly available and limited right during the races

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I think that AI coming to the gambling industry can do a lot, considering that we also don't know what the development of AI will be like in the future. If AI is developed in other businesses and receives attention from many businesses, AI will be developed for the gambling business. Especially with the many creative ideas that can emerge after the development of AI in other businesses has progressed rapidly. The application of AI for each business depends on the business owner. If AI can be more profitable for business owners, they will try to apply it while asking for customer suggestions and criticism.

For a gambling business, maybe Al is currently only used to assist them in a customer service or customer service chat where later Al will answer all complaints or questions from customers.
But it seems that we really don't know how Al will develop in the future but expecting more and relying too much on Al is not a good thing.
If it is said that it is profitable for casino business people, it seems that it is indeed profitable because it can be more helpful and saves work that must be done by the service team, it's just that the team still has to monitor and sort out what kind of problems must be solved because Al certainly can't solve all problems which exists.

I've seen some AI on YouTube from some youtubers who are curious but they can't really determine what they want, the AI they've posted tell them that they can't make predictions, but I think they're asking the wrong questions, because the AI makes many Get an idea that things can go on a perfect path and win or achieve what you want, but AIs do not have the ability to bet and win, but that is for now, what an AI can do is a lot Beyond what is a simple casino game, that for an AI should be nothing.

I guess it would be possible to ask an AI to decipher the code of a slot machine and to be honest, I have met some Chinese guys who kind of get some partial success at doing it manually, so I do not see why an AI correctly programmed could not, with a sufficient number of parameters and information, achieve also a degree of success at breaking the codes.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 04, 2023, 12:19:56 AM

I think that AI coming to the gambling industry can do a lot, considering that we also don't know what the development of AI will be like in the future. If AI is developed in other businesses and receives attention from many businesses, AI will be developed for the gambling business. Especially with the many creative ideas that can emerge after the development of AI in other businesses has progressed rapidly. The application of AI for each business depends on the business owner. If AI can be more profitable for business owners, they will try to apply it while asking for customer suggestions and criticism.

For a gambling business, maybe Al is currently only used to assist them in a customer service or customer service chat where later Al will answer all complaints or questions from customers.
But it seems that we really don't know how Al will develop in the future but expecting more and relying too much on Al is not a good thing.
If it is said that it is profitable for casino business people, it seems that it is indeed profitable because it can be more helpful and saves work that must be done by the service team, it's just that the team still has to monitor and sort out what kind of problems must be solved because Al certainly can't solve all problems which exists.

I've seen some AI on YouTube from some youtubers who are curious but they can't really determine what they want, the AI they've posted tell them that they can't make predictions, but I think they're asking the wrong questions, because the AI makes many Get an idea that things can go on a perfect path and win or achieve what you want, but AIs do not have the ability to bet and win, but that is for now, what an AI can do is a lot Beyond what is a simple casino game, that for an AI should be nothing.

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I gotta push bac on your AI-in-gambling critique. No doubt, it won't hand over a flawless win streak, but it can sure tip the scales for the lucky ones. And about them addicts – well, that's the name of the game, AI or not.

Peep this: AI ain't just dabbling in small, low-stakes action. It's munching on big data and spotting patterns and trends our human brains might miss.

True, there's the chance AI gets twisted or hacked, but that's tech biz for ya. Bottom line, I'm convinced AI's got mad potential to shake up the gambling scene and bring a new era of fairness and see-through deals for the house and the player

Critique!? No. Not like real critique, mate, but my expression is basically what I just think, more like my opinion; if you say critique, makes me feel as if I am totally against it. I am a gambler, so if I see something that can even give me more wins, then I should be happy 😁. You know, as some people always say, AI is going to make life easy, and everything that has an advantage always has a side of disadvantage as well. So I'm just wondering what AI in gambling or casinos will look like. But just as you have said that it might also give a better streak based on what you think (although not a floorless win as you also mentioned). well, I feel a bit convinced based on what you have said, and like I also told DaNNy01, the AI is still in expectation, but until it becomes reality, we can actually know what and how it will work. Still on the addiction aspect, I know it can be a bit manipulative, but some people still seem to have self-control over the way they gamble, while others have totally lost their minds. I made mention some months ago of a friend in school who has a critical case of gambling addiction.

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With some tight programming and algorithmic wizardry, AI can flip its betting playbook in a heartbeat, upping the odds of victory.

Really making me think so much of this AI Angry

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In the future maybe. Right now I don't think AI can make an educated guess like this. Or maybe it will but in the end it is not going to make you rich because I am not sure if the current AI is that smart. I mean it will give you an answer if you force it but the answer is probably be a bullshit one and won't be any better than tossing a coin. If somehow AI becomes as advanced as you said, then it will be the end of the gambling industry.

I think that even if an artificial intelligence of this kind existed which allowed players to make very precise predictions about who would win a particular match, the gambling industry will find a way around it, many decades ago when card counting was first introduced many gamblers thought that this was going to be the end of blackjack, however this did not happen as casinos adjusted the rules in order to counter card counters, and since then blackjack has become way more popular, so I expect a similar process to happen here.

You are right. Every problem has a solution, it is only a matter of time until the solution is found once the problem occurs. So if AI becomes capable enough of predicting results accurately, there will be a solution for the casinos to counter that since it can be a big threat to their business, and owners of the casinos won't let that happen at all.

They might also make use of Artificial Intelligence to tackle the problem caused by AI models created specifically for the purpose of predicting the outcome of future events, and I'm sure they will do it successfully.

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I would certainly would like to see ChatGPT to play poker with amateurs based on a learning sample of masters and see how it plays out. I am pretty sure it can beat most of the for-fun players and perhaps some of the semi-pros. It is a game of calculation, patterns and chance and there is a method to it. I think an AI would be perfectly suited to exploit it. Hint hint.

Though I don't believe that ChatGPT can actually beat human players even if it's trained for that based on the hands or the results of the previously played games by experts, there will be the need for a custom version of it that will totally be based on that particular data and will be trained only to play poker, it isn't possible to do that with the existing version if you are talking about the free version.

I have not used the paid version and I'm not sure about its limitations but the free version has got some limitations and cannot be fed data amounting to too big. I also would love to see the outcomes of that if someone does that for an experiment.

I understand that the free version of chatgpt is the one that everyone has the option to enter except for the sop prohibited countries, in my case my country is prohibited and there is no way I could enter because they need numbers from foreign countries for a simple registration, And even so, if you have it, it does not allow users from my country to enter, I do not know if the apga version allows them to enter, however I have thought about the following, if CHATGPT-4 allows you to make videos and a series of things is very Simple, the prediction functions are not available to common users, but I'm sure they have worked on them, but they don't release them to the world.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 04, 2023, 12:19:56 AM

I think that AI coming to the gambling industry can do a lot, considering that we also don't know what the development of AI will be like in the future. If AI is developed in other businesses and receives attention from many businesses, AI will be developed for the gambling business. Especially with the many creative ideas that can emerge after the development of AI in other businesses has progressed rapidly. The application of AI for each business depends on the business owner. If AI can be more profitable for business owners, they will try to apply it while asking for customer suggestions and criticism.

For a gambling business, maybe Al is currently only used to assist them in a customer service or customer service chat where later Al will answer all complaints or questions from customers.
But it seems that we really don't know how Al will develop in the future but expecting more and relying too much on Al is not a good thing.
If it is said that it is profitable for casino business people, it seems that it is indeed profitable because it can be more helpful and saves work that must be done by the service team, it's just that the team still has to monitor and sort out what kind of problems must be solved because Al certainly can't solve all problems which exists.

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In the future maybe. Right now I don't think AI can make an educated guess like this. Or maybe it will but in the end it is not going to make you rich because I am not sure if the current AI is that smart. I mean it will give you an answer if you force it but the answer is probably be a bullshit one and won't be any better than tossing a coin. If somehow AI becomes as advanced as you said, then it will be the end of the gambling industry.

It is not correct to use everything in every place, it can give opposite results. AI can be used to acquire knowledge, and other tasks. But the use of AI among gamblers will definitely not bring good aspects to the gambling industry. Gamblers don't just play to earn, people gamble for entertainment too, when everything becomes AI, gamblers will no longer get the real feel. And its impact will hit the gambling industry hard.

- For me, what you said is simple mate, but it makes sense, I think the message you mentioned actually has a point and is right in a nutshell.

And I also agree that AI is only good for giving knowledge to anyone but in this gambling matter it doesn't seem to fit anymore in my opinion. And it is also true that not all gamblers have the same reason for gambling because some are addicted to gambling, others are just to save themselves and others are taking a chance that they might suddenly become rich by betting.

We haven't seen the development of AI for the gambling industry and even if there is, we might not be interested or haven't used it regularly so we don't know whether AI can be used properly or still needs further improvement. But in the future, I think with technological developments in all fields, it will provide the answers we need. Who knows, AI can provide predictions that are close to the truth so that we will get additional information through AI. For now, we should just wait to see how AI for the gambling industry develops and if we can use it to get information, we need to see how accurate it is.

AI will come to the gambling industry but maybe not as much as we think. Because I think no matter how much technology improves, it would be best to refrain from using AI altogether. Because this will not reduce people's attraction to gambling. Just because technology is improving every day doesn't mean it has to be applied to everything, some things have to be left free that were already good and interesting.

I think that AI coming to the gambling industry can do a lot, considering that we also don't know what the development of AI will be like in the future. If AI is developed in other businesses and receives attention from many businesses, AI will be developed for the gambling business. Especially with the many creative ideas that can emerge after the development of AI in other businesses has progressed rapidly. The application of AI for each business depends on the business owner. If AI can be more profitable for business owners, they will try to apply it while asking for customer suggestions and criticism.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on May 03, 2023, 02:02:33 AM

Gambling with AI technology sounds like a dream come true for every gambler but eventually even the Ai does not guarantee a 100% winning and moreover if gambling with AI proofs to be very effective it might run so many casino reckless because the rate of winnings will be much and the customers might now actually have a chance to defeat the house. But all this is just a dream because even with AI inserted in the gambling industry the house will still man over a way to win you as the customer because its a business and the gamblers need to lose more.

Al technology is one of the most accurate and quick technologies available, and it serves a crucial purpose for users, specifically gamblers. They will be the first to employ the Al technology, and they will not hold back in their pursuit of further information. Gambling will never be completely accurate, but over time, it will match the demanding tasks of a large number of gamblers who are engaged in making their forecast work. Al is already coded, but we shouldn't expect more winning than losing; both sets will be balanced, even if the loss is substantially more than the winning.

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now that AI seems to be developing fast. they are on the lookout also as to how it will influence their day to day operations. for now, their predictions may still be far from human predictions or from actual results, but the more data they are working on, they may have better predictions with the outcome.

The difference is, AIs can choose which information it wants to retain, choose to learn from, and omit what seems unnecessary for it to be useful. Human events and performances will soon be predicted very easily by AIs, and there wouldn't really be a fix or a patch to that unfortunately. Bookies will never know if an AI is being used to bet on the events they're putting out, so that's also a hard catch. We just have to rely on these events to be as arbitrary, random, and unpredictable as possible, that patterns emerging from previous matches/games wouldn't really matter when it's game time.

This is a big challenge for every casinos to catch those gamblers who are using AI, they might not have a good predictions right now but if the gamblers is able to input good data, I'm sure that AI will be good and will be a big threat to casinos. Sports betting are more about predictions, AI might have a better idea with regards to this one. As a gambler, there's also a big risk to rely with AI as it is not that reliable yet there's still a big question about AI.

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Quote from: South Park on May 02, 2023, 01:07:19 PM

Quote from: mindrust on May 01, 2023, 04:20:28 AM

In the future maybe. Right now I don't think AI can make an educated guess like this. Or maybe it will but in the end it is not going to make you rich because I am not sure if the current AI is that smart. I mean it will give you an answer if you force it but the answer is probably be a bullshit one and won't be any better than tossing a coin. If somehow AI becomes as advanced as you said, then it will be the end of the gambling industry.

I think that even if an artificial intelligence of this kind existed which allowed players to make very precise predictions about who would win a particular match, the gambling industry will find a way around it, many decades ago when card counting was first introduced many gamblers thought that this was going to be the end of blackjack, however this did not happen as casinos adjusted the rules in order to counter card counters, and since then blackjack has become way more popular, so I expect a similar process to happen here.

I don't know what will happen in the future. however, I will say again. that it would be very unlikely if we could use Al as a reference to make predictions. maybe if for gambling that uses cards like blackjack for example, Al can be involved to make predictions. but the question is, how to do it, whether to engage the bot that includes the AI script. or, what the mechanism looks like. for sure, it makes me wonder. then what about sports betting predictions, can Al be involved as a reference to make predictions.

Well, let's give an example with football. as far as my experience, football cannot be predicted with certainty, everything is just assumption, guess and speculation. Regarding each result, it is determined by the two competing teams. one mistake, can be fatal and become an advantage for his opponent. and it seems, Al will not be able to reason in this detail. The problem is, in football we don't only talk based on data and statistics, but as a whole. that is why, I doubt that AI is able to make predictions accurately.

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