Topic: How long ukraine could survive? (Read 1023 times)
I'm afraid it's going to last for several years
The only reason why a country survives is that they hold dear, and continue in, the things that formed the country in the first place. The country name might stay the same for generations. But the people, the politics, the goals can easily change after a few generations.
Ukraine will last forever. It's just the Zelensky's government that's falling.
from what is happening Ukraine we survive everything because they are not the first country that experience war so therefore what is happening now is because of the administration of Ukraine government so if another set of government come into power I think the survival of Ukraine will be at higher because it's a country and this a nation and nation does not die off
The Ukraine is so extremely outclassed, and will be even if they get lots of armament support from other countries, that they will died the death, shortly. Russia hasn't really even begun fighting.
Russia’s deployment of Iskander missiles to Kaliningrad is major threat to NATO: Here’s why
Russia’s deployment of Iskander missiles to Kaliningrad is major threat to NATO: Here’s why
Quote from: https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-06-26-iskander-missile-deployment-to-kaliningrad-threat-to-nato.html#
When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Russia, the biggest state in the USSR and around which the alliance was formed, inherited the bulk of weaponry it had arrayed against NATO.
That included a massive amount of ballistic missiles, many of which have remained in service and now form the backbone of Moscow’s A2AD — “anti-access/area denial” strategy for the allied security alliance.
But of course, not all of Russia’s ballistic missile stockpile, the largest in the world, is aged. In fact, many models are fairly new and all are extremely lethal, including the Iskander-M, a short-range ballistic missile (SRBM), which NATO is particularly concerned with.
“The SS-26 Iskander missile has a range of approximately 400 to 500 kilometers, or about 250 to 310 miles,” The National Interest reports. “It can carry a variety of warhead types, including earth penetrator, high explosive or thermobaric.
“Export models have a shorter, 280-kilometer range (about 175 miles), and a smaller 480-kilogram payload (nearly 300 pounds), while the Russian service standard payload is 480 to 700 kilograms (300 to 430 pounds),” the report continued.
In addition, the report noted that the Iskander is also very accurate. It uses a combination of “inertial, GLONASS, and radar terrain correlation guidance, the missile can strike targets within a circular error probable (CEP) of 2 to 5 meters” — GLONASS being Russia’s version of our GPS.
In other words, the missiles have a 50 percent chance of landing some two to five meters away from a target, versus older SCUD-D missiles that have a CEP of 50 meters, making them far less accurate.
Brighteon.TV
What’s also notable about this model is that Iskander transporters are capable of carrying two missiles at one time in a side-by-side configuration. Also, the transporter features an armored roof to protect the cargo inside while the cabin itself also shields occupants from chemical biological, and nuclear hazards. Reloading vehicles that travel with the missile transporters on a battlefield are capable of reloading them quickly via a crane, the National Interest reported.
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That included a massive amount of ballistic missiles, many of which have remained in service and now form the backbone of Moscow’s A2AD — “anti-access/area denial” strategy for the allied security alliance.
But of course, not all of Russia’s ballistic missile stockpile, the largest in the world, is aged. In fact, many models are fairly new and all are extremely lethal, including the Iskander-M, a short-range ballistic missile (SRBM), which NATO is particularly concerned with.
“The SS-26 Iskander missile has a range of approximately 400 to 500 kilometers, or about 250 to 310 miles,” The National Interest reports. “It can carry a variety of warhead types, including earth penetrator, high explosive or thermobaric.
“Export models have a shorter, 280-kilometer range (about 175 miles), and a smaller 480-kilogram payload (nearly 300 pounds), while the Russian service standard payload is 480 to 700 kilograms (300 to 430 pounds),” the report continued.
In addition, the report noted that the Iskander is also very accurate. It uses a combination of “inertial, GLONASS, and radar terrain correlation guidance, the missile can strike targets within a circular error probable (CEP) of 2 to 5 meters” — GLONASS being Russia’s version of our GPS.
In other words, the missiles have a 50 percent chance of landing some two to five meters away from a target, versus older SCUD-D missiles that have a CEP of 50 meters, making them far less accurate.
Brighteon.TV
What’s also notable about this model is that Iskander transporters are capable of carrying two missiles at one time in a side-by-side configuration. Also, the transporter features an armored roof to protect the cargo inside while the cabin itself also shields occupants from chemical biological, and nuclear hazards. Reloading vehicles that travel with the missile transporters on a battlefield are capable of reloading them quickly via a crane, the National Interest reported.
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What is going to happen after this war is over:
- Russia will be isolated and will turn into the Soviet Union by nationalizing its industries
- Russia will be isolated and will turn into the Soviet Union by nationalizing its industries
Oh man, you're very wrong here.
Soviet Union was a superpower (though weaker than USA), second world's economy with a lot of factories built by americans in 1924-1936 (soviet industrialization) and big number of captured german factories and machine-tools.
For better understanding: Soviet Union has it'w own microelectronic and full-cycle-manufacture of Microprocessor ( it was worse than american Intel, but again, it was fully manufactured in USSR)
So SU was like China now.
And Russia is fully dependent on western machine-tools and everything else. For better understanding: russia is unable to produce bearings (one of the most important things in high-tech). Again, USSR was full sufficient with bearings. It produced around 1 billion of bearings per year. USSR even exported some amount of it in nearby countries. And russia is unable to fulfill it's own needs.
"A этo cлoвa Oгaнeca Дypyxянa, пpeдceдaтeля Гильдии пpoизвoдитeлeй и пocтaвщикoв пoдшипникoвoй пpoдyкции MTПП:
«B CCCP paбoтaлo oкoлo 30 зaвoдoв, кoтopыe выпycкaли миллиapд штyк пoдшипникoв в гoд. Этo пoлнocтью пoкpывaлo ocнoвныe пoтpeбнocти cтpaны и пoзвoлялo экcпopтиpoвaть пoдшипники нa 250 миллиoнoв дoллapoв. Дo 1990 гoдa в CCCP ecли и зaвoзили пoдшипники, тo этo были глaвным oбpaзoм для peмoнтa импopтнoгo oбopyдoвaния.
Итaк, ecли в CCCP пpoизвoдили 1 миллиapд пoдшипникoв, тo в Poccии пoтpeбнocть cнизилacь дo 160 миллиoнoв штyк в гoд, из ниx 105 миллиoнoв – этo импopтныe пoдшипники.
Зa пocлeдниe тpи гoдa — c 2014 пo 2017 гoд — пpoизвoдcтвo пoдшипникoв в Poccии coкpaтилocь c 55,1 дo 48,2 миллиoнoв штyк в гoд»."
https://mosgildia.ru/mneniya/oganes-duruhyan-podshipnik-nekachestvennym-byt-ne-mozhet/
1 billion of bearings in USSR
48.2 million of bearing in russia (which is 25 % of it's own demand)
So russian future is not USSR, rather North Korea. The agressive country which fully depends on financial and material help of big brother (China).
Poland is a social democracy, not a Mongol empire like Russia, it would never impose its will on other countries.
Oh, another myth. Let me explain: Despite all speculations and myths, Mongol Empire with a high probability was far more democratic than moskov kingdom and western monarhies. We can't know it for sure, but again: Crimean Khanate which is heir to the Golden Horde, was ultra functional and ultra democratic (for the 15-16-17 centuries). For example you as a citizen could sue with a Khan (!!!) Could any french citizen sue with a king in 17th century? I'm very doubt about that.
How long Ukraine could survive depends on the support of other counties would render to them. Ukraine alone can not survive the attacks from Russian, the Russians are not taking it kindly they really want to get what they want by all means, they are not relenting no matter what they have lost they are still going deep with more hazardous plans to make sure their plans are accomplished. The Ukrainians are not giving up either. Whole situation is getting worst as the day goes by.
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No choosing what country I'm in but in my case hoping that they will united and get back their friendship again. After many videos I've seen in social media update of this war more tears drown in my faces. That's why I'm praying also to stop their war and make unity.
No choosing what country I'm in but in my case hoping that they will united and get back their friendship again. After many videos I've seen in social media update of this war more tears drown in my faces. That's why I'm praying also to stop their war and make unity.
You must be living in la-la land to think there will be a united Ukraine after 8 years of civil war with over 16000 dead so far.
Get used to the fact Ukraine will be split into minumum three countries and maybe more, depenting how crazy Ukraine gets.
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No choosing what country I'm in but in my case hoping that they will united and get back their friendship again. After many videos I've seen in social media update of this war more tears drown in my faces. That's why I'm praying also to stop their war and make unity.
No choosing what country I'm in but in my case hoping that they will united and get back their friendship again. After many videos I've seen in social media update of this war more tears drown in my faces. That's why I'm praying also to stop their war and make unity.
You must be living in la-la land to think there will be a united Ukraine after 8 years of civil war with over 16000 dead so far.
Get used to the fact Ukraine will be split into minumum three countries and maybe more, depenting how crazy Ukraine gets.
The people of Ukraine now are very pity specially children I've seen there faces very scared and frightened in every bomb explode can create a traumatic and war shock of them.
No choosing what country I'm in but in my case hoping that they will united and get back their friendship again. After many videos I've seen in social media update of this war more tears drown in my faces. That's why I'm praying also to stop their war and make unity.
No choosing what country I'm in but in my case hoping that they will united and get back their friendship again. After many videos I've seen in social media update of this war more tears drown in my faces. That's why I'm praying also to stop their war and make unity.
Poland may get some of it's lands back.
I think with a probability of 90% Poland will try to squeeze out the Lviv region. They have a national idea "from sea to sea" there that constantly itches, but here is such an opportunity.I doubt that Russia has any intention of touching the Lviv region (except once in a while with a missile in extraordinary circumstances.) I'll bet that Russia pushes all of the undesirables from the parts of the country which are important to that area as was/is the case with Idlib and the so-called 'isis'. These spawn of the CIA will live on as a painful canker sore which hurts Poland and the West much more than it does Russia and it's client/aligned states/regions (e.g., Donbass.)
Although I never really expected that Russia would try to clean up all of the country, I didn't think of this nifty little trick initially. It's lifted from The Duran musings of a few weeks ago (credit where credit is due), but it makes a lot of sense and through the fog seems to not be being dis-proven by what observations can be made.
While I think that the analysis that the West wants to bog down Russia in a Vietnam style tar-baby may (or may not) have some legs, I would doubt that Russia would fall for something that simple. If they could push the infection to a desirable part of the country (the Western part) then cauterize the new boarder, they would get their buffer zone, a reasonable amount or resources in an aligned state, and avoid the tar-baby.
Poland may get some of it's lands back.
I think with a probability of 90% Poland will try to squeeze out the Lviv region. They have a national idea "from sea to sea" there that constantly itches, but here is such an opportunity.You guys live in the Lala land of kings, tsars, and autocrats.
What is going to happen after this war is over:
- Russia will be isolated and will turn into the Soviet Union by nationalizing its industries
- Ukraine will recover all occupied territories
- Belarus dictatorship will fall and Belarus will become a progressive social democracy
- Eastern and Baltic countries might form closer military and economic ties
So there might be a Polish-Ukrainian-Belorussian-Lithuanian-Estonian commonwealth, but it will never be a Polish kingdom as you are implying.
Poland is a social democracy, not a Mongol empire like Russia, it would never impose its will on other countries.
Imperialism is dead. Get over it.
Poland may get some of it's lands back.
I think with a probability of 90% Poland will try to squeeze out the Lviv region. They have a national idea "from sea to sea" there that constantly itches, but here is such an opportunity.
Rumors already start to flow how to best carve up Ukraine. Poland may get some of it's lands back. Romania wants some for the Moldova loss. Hungary / EU want say no to some nice farmland, all together they may end up with a bigger land area than Donbas.
If Ukraine gets really stupid they may end up given some to Rus speaking rus land to Belarus as well.
When you loose they will come and shred you to pieces, the penalty of war.
If Ukraine gets really stupid they may end up given some to Rus speaking rus land to Belarus as well.
When you loose they will come and shred you to pieces, the penalty of war.
my eyes are on the president of ukraine. how long will it last?
because from my point of view putin is not targeting ukraine citizens but more towards its leaders.
Putin sees a threat in the future if Ukraine continues to be led by the current president.
because as the news circulated. Ukraine's president prefers and sided with arch-enemy Russia. whereas ukraine originated and was in russia in the first place.
if putin allows that then he feels like he is letting the opponent eat away at his country from within. and can spread more widely.
but I do not know the reality on the ground.
if you become a leader and you are ordered to abdicate. If you don't go down, your people will suffer. if you go down then the torment of your people will stop.
Which one do you choose?
then look at the facts now! .
let the citizens who are not trained to fight are allowed to confront the opposing forces. is that something wise?
but I hope these two countries return to peace.
Cause i dont know who is wrong on this war.
because from my point of view putin is not targeting ukraine citizens but more towards its leaders.
Putin sees a threat in the future if Ukraine continues to be led by the current president.
because as the news circulated. Ukraine's president prefers and sided with arch-enemy Russia. whereas ukraine originated and was in russia in the first place.
if putin allows that then he feels like he is letting the opponent eat away at his country from within. and can spread more widely.
but I do not know the reality on the ground.
if you become a leader and you are ordered to abdicate. If you don't go down, your people will suffer. if you go down then the torment of your people will stop.
Which one do you choose?
then look at the facts now! .
let the citizens who are not trained to fight are allowed to confront the opposing forces. is that something wise?
but I hope these two countries return to peace.
Cause i dont know who is wrong on this war.
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While valiant Ukrainian soldiers are inflicting untold losses on Putin's army (according to Ukrainian propaganda), the disruption of the sowing campaign in Ukraine has already taken place. ...
While valiant Ukrainian soldiers are inflicting untold losses on Putin's army (according to Ukrainian propaganda), the disruption of the sowing campaign in Ukraine has already taken place. ...
The Rooshin Black Sea fleet was sunk (by the Western and Ukrainian 'news' media) a few weeks ago. Unfortunately the fleet was re-floated fairly quickly and back in action:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/fz9HGkmDWZCU/
The Kalibr is only a cruise missile but it looks pretty bad-ass in initial use. Supposedly these are on their way to take out the wannabe mercenary idjuts who bought the Western media garbage and rushed over the Ukraine before Russia was beaten completely. Not the sea-launched ones as above.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FWCHrzkzkRzE/
Supposedly the above was on it's way to here:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bu6pG7qydwwh/
Dude probably spent half a year shooting farmers in Afghanistan and thought he was some big-time warrior. Also probably believed the BS about the Rooshins having shot their wad and sprinting back across the border. That's a good example of learning some things the hard way.
Base on what's on ground so far, you could see they're already loosing ground and if the demands already made by the Ukrainian president Zalensky to Nato to close the sky and if necessary measures are not taken to Cushion the effect they're suffering right now, I think I see they could not survive any further because Russia is fully prepared for this invasion and I'm not seeing any signs for Russia to giving up right now , rather they can even go extent by using biological or Nuclear weapon in order to make sure they win this war when looking at Putin's statements.
But they can only write such rubbish
This is not rubbish, but a direct challenge to Russia throughout the global financial system as part of the first response to the economic sanctions imposed by the West.Paper, sugar.. How about gas for rubles? 
Europe will buy gas for rubles, try to think about this thought slowly for a deeper understanding of the meaning of what is happening.
Meanwhile in the real world
Easy, illusions don't interest me. Curiously, you are more concerned with what kind of planes the Russians will fly than what you will eat. While valiant Ukrainian soldiers are inflicting untold losses on Putin's army (according to Ukrainian propaganda), the disruption of the sowing campaign in Ukraine has already taken place. And Ukraine is the breadbasket of all of Europe (was).LOL, you're right, flying is going to be the least of Russia's concerns. It's just one of many examples for how fucked Putin is. He had to steal foreign-leased airplanes, otherwise he'd have nothing.
How about sugar, figured that one out yet? Paper? Everything else that goes 2x up in price and/or disappears, including things that are supposedly made in Russia? Looks like someone didn't think through the whole "invade another country and fingers crossed for no sanctions" plan.
@suchmoon I am really sorry you have to argue with this bots with washed brain. Even your fantastic sarcasm can`t help in this situation. It seems to me that this people have a a list of progressive blunt responses to every rational argument heard from people who are not part of their rotten society. I tried to find some of the most obvious evidence, something indisputable, with which they would agree, and to make them think at least a little. But they can only write such rubbish
Paper, sugar.. How about gas for rubles?
Meanwhile in the real world
Easy, illusions don't interest me. Curiously, you are more concerned with what kind of planes the Russians will fly than what you will eat. While valiant Ukrainian soldiers are inflicting untold losses on Putin's army (according to Ukrainian propaganda), the disruption of the sowing campaign in Ukraine has already taken place. And Ukraine is the breadbasket of all of Europe (was).LOL, you're right, flying is going to be the least of Russia's concerns. It's just one of many examples for how fucked Putin is. He had to steal foreign-leased airplanes, otherwise he'd have nothing.
How about sugar, figured that one out yet? Paper? Everything else that goes 2x up in price and/or disappears, including things that are supposedly made in Russia? Looks like someone didn't think through the whole "invade another country and fingers crossed for no sanctions" plan.
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