Topic: How long ukraine could survive? - page 5. (Read 1050 times)

There was virtually no expectation that Ukraine's military can withstand a full Russian invasion for more than a few days. But after 12 days of fighting, Ukrainians can say at least one thing with certainty: They will fight. Thus, it is possible that the Ukrainian military will eventually seek to retake some territory from Russian troops, as they did in the weeks after the end of the War in Donbass.

Many experts have, however, suggested that a certain partisan resistance might emerge depending on where and how the attacks take place. This hypothesis makes sense given what we have seen in Ukraine over the past few days. The guerrilla warfare tactic is not necessarily something new for Ukraine, given the country's long history of fighting against a powerful neighbor. Ukraine's resilience is also not entirely a mystery; its history shows that the country has often been forced to combat bigger odds and take on bigger enemies.

Moreover, they attack civilian targets in order to cause the population to panic and create chaos in defense. In order for the population to start begging to stop the war by any means, even if it means complete surrender. But really they did not expect such resistance, especially from civilians.

They are also besieging cities and banning humanitarian convoys from delivering essential goods. Volunteer cars have been fired on more than once. This is another way to make people under siege believe that Ukraine will spit on them and that no one but Russia will help them. That is why they are creating "green corridors" to Russia so that exhausted people can come to their aid, thinking that Ukraine will no longer help them. But these barbarians were wrong here too. Ukrainians are much more confident in themselves and in Ukraine than these mercenaries in their Russia.

NATO troops which worked as instructors left Ukraine before war. Now all foreign troops who are in Ukraine arrived there as volunteers, but they're not sent by NATO.
Russia is trying to avoid civilian casualties - let me predict, you heard such bulshit on Russian TV? Maybe in first days of war they were targeting mainly military objects, but now it seems that they're trying to kill more civilians because they didn't expected so much resistance from them. For them it means nothing to open fire at car where family is trying to escape from city.

It is impossible to have a peacetalt with people who deny the very essence and subject of these negotiations. Demanding Ukraine to lay down its arms, in fact surrender and change its legitimate government to one that suits Russia is not a peace negotiation or an agreement. Moreover, only in the last 8 years it has been possible to observe how Russia "fulfills" the agreements. What is the point of contracts if they are constantly violated?


Really? They should try better

https://ua.interfax.com.ua/news/general/802748.html
https://globalnews.ca/news/8661361/volunteer-death-kyiv-ukraine/
https://kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/media-russian-forces-fire-at-civilians-in-irpin-kill-at-least-3-civilians/



His strategy is to make Ukraine a part of Russian Empire. Along with Belarus, which is already included.
I am not sure he really cares about Russia`s economy, it is already obvious to everyone that he does not care about his own people. No one imposed sanctions until the open attack on Ukraine. One can already guess that the sanctions were imposed because of this. If he had not pursued his own ambitions, he would have stopped. And he is not stopped even by the poverty of his own people.

NATO could deny there are no NATO troops in Ukraine but evidence shows something else. There are still 4500 permanent military advisors in Ukraine only from the USA. NATO deployed mercenary troops just like Putin does.

I do not think Putin has any intention to annex Ukraine which shows by the fact that they are trying to avoid civilian casualties. Prolonging the war only cause more damage to Russia's economy and Putin knows that. But his strategy still looks unclear to the west.

Prolonging the war will be a strategy for Putin while there are funds going to Ukraine, this will give them the advantage to seize the wealth of the country. And at the same time, Russia will be looking to decide the effects of sanctions on thier part and other countries.

The US already expresses they will not send troops to directly fight Russians, I think that's really upsetting for Zelensky. No NATO members yet are also going to directly combat Russia even when they already call out anyone who wants to fight. What strategy is left here but peacetalk, make a deal because I'm sure it's not yet late.

You should understand that no superpower wants another superpower at its doorsteps. Do you know what happens in the Cuban missiles crisis? The same thing happens here. Putin is defending from USA and NATO. Look at the condition of Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan. Similar things will happen in Ukraine too. The USA provoke Ukraine to create tension to Russia's border and now they abandoned Ukraine. All these were done only for saving the failing USA economy by selling arms. Afgan, Iraq, Syria war have lost their heat so not the USA and their ally create another front in Ukraine. All this is business to USA and NATO. They have no sympathy or love for Ukrainians if they do why don't they send troops?

Before publishing such fakes, these "documents" should be checked for grammatical and spelling errors. Those who create such fake content should learn the Ukrainian language. Because for a Ukrainian-speaking person, everything is immediately clear.

Consider it done and over with, nazis lost once again.  ( Azov = Nazi's = Khazarian Mafia)
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/leaked-gov-t-document-more-than-40-ukraine-territory-captured-by-russian-army-75-of-ukraine-military-destroyed

Unfortunately, Putin is using any NATO action to interpret it against Ukraine. NATO does not want to take us - of course, who needs us but Russia, only Russia can protect us, so let's make sure that only with Russia we can survive and coexist.

NATO is hinting they might take us - Russia sees this as a complete carte blanche to start a full-scale war, because of course, NATO will immediately give us tons of weapons and start producing nuclear weapons in my country for the sole purpose of erasing Russia from the world map.

To anyone capable of rational thinking, it sounds absurd and even ridiculous if it weren't so sad. However, this is the delusion that has been feeding the Russian people for decades. And they don't see anything at all except what a bunch of inadequate people tell them on TV.

I really appreciate your sadness and anger, you are absolutely right, I did not mean that Russia or Putin has the right to interfere in this issue, no country in the world has the right to interfere in the affairs of other countries, this is the simplest principle in international law, but what I meant is that NATO is due to its approach From Russia through Ukraine gave Putin an opportunity to intervene militarily under the pretext of protecting Russia. This is of course unacceptable and an excuse for military intervention only. That is why I said that the Ukrainian people have fallen victim to this international conflict and that both NATO and Russia are guilty of this unjust war on Ukraine.

Dore and Blumenthal present some info on the real nature of the cluster-fuck in Ukraine.  Pretty much aligns with my understandings prior to the so-called 'war' although it was never a subject I had put more than a casual glance into now and then.  Worth a listen, especially for those prone to toss the term 'Nazi' around without some actual understanding of the issues:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/xdJmlfKyvLXR/

Thank you for your support! I agree with the second reason, and as a Ukrainian citizen I am very angry, that the West Donets help us preventively with more sanctions, more armament and more essential protection. But at the same time I understand, why they done do it. They are afraid of the possibility of the war, which captures other countries in Europe or even the world. So they try not to provoke Putin, because they have no reason to expect his adequate reaction.

To the first reason you claimed I have only one question. What damn right does Russia have to interfere in this issue?

I am of course sympathetic to the Ukrainians and very sad for them, I think most countries of the world do that too, the Ukrainians will resist and this is their right and everyone should help them defend themselves, Putin is guilty and Russia is also guilty of this aggression against an independent sovereign state, but from my point of view the West Guilty also for two reasons:
The first reason is that the West brought Ukraine into this problem when it tried to include Ukraine in NATO, and they know that Russia will not accept that.
The second reason: They abandoned Ukraine and did not directly defend it, but were satisfied with condemnation, humanitarian aid, and the economic blockade against Russia, and this is absolutely not enough.
Unfortunately, it is the good Ukrainian people who pay the price of this cold war between Russia and NATO.

More people should understand that. Otherwise, this catastrophe will happen. Another Soviet Union would be a disaster for all nations, not only those, who would be its parts. That is why it is so important to prevent this disaster. That is why we should be involved in the informational war Russia began. If nothing changes in people's minds, we should not expect changes on the battlefield.

Ukrainians will not allow this. Putin wanted to divide us, but united us instead. Ukraine has never been as joint as it is now. People have very fresh memories of the horror of the Soviet Empire. Yes, an empire, not an alliance or union. Even Russians themselves use the terms "Soviet Union", "Russian Empire" and "Russian Federation" as synonyms. They want to recreate themselves as a metropolis with barely alive colonies, from which nothing but resources can be taken. This is how they see their greatness. Bring discord, destruction and degradation to once-living territories and consider themselves superior to those, who already on the verge of death. But they did not expect such resistance. They thought that they would be greeted with flowers, posters and tears of joy. And it turned out that the flowers are waiting for them only on their own graves.

It seems that we will witness a long war. Russia will not allow the presence of NATO on its borders at any cost. NATO wants to weaken Russia under the leadership of Putin, and Ukraine is the victim. The economic embargo will not cause harm to Russia alone, but there are many European countries that will be affected by the economic embargo, especially if Russia decides to respond and cut off oil and gas from Europe. I think that Putin will not back down until he achieves his strategic goals, and if the West does not abandon its pride and try to find a way to end the crisis with Russia, the war will be long and may expand much more and threaten the peace of the whole world.

You'd think that by now the Ukrainians would have learned the old adage: "With Jews, you lose."

Actually, a lot of them (including a lot of Jews) probably did a long time ago, but the options were limited.  That's why it is one of the few places that have actual dyed-in-the-wool Nazi's in any significant number.

I predict that a lot of countries with a Jewish population in any number at all are going to learn the same harsh lesson only more-so.  That absolutely includes the Jew-S-A who have a LOT and a lot of them in high positions.  The reaction will be to, yet again for the hundredth time and counting, 'run the Jews out.'  They'll 'run to Israel' which just so happens to be exactly what a lot of cretins consider to be what the 'prophecy' calls for in the 'end of days.'

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Lots of people consider me an 'anti-semite' or whatever.  That's fine and I don't care a lot although I don't believe it to be true.  The actual fact of the matter is that I see about the only hope for humanity against these creepy Talmudic Jews and their schemes is indeed 'the Jews' themselves.  The many I have known over the years are probably the only people possessing both the background to understand this shit, and, frankly, the intellectual wherewithal to figure out what to do about it.  I will say to them that 'you better wake their ass up' and do something before it is simply to late.  If it isn't already.

No. Both can be correct. Ukrainians are successfully resisting in some places and losing in others. Success for them is inflicting as much pain as possible for the Russian forces and if they die in the process of killing 10 invaders - so be it. Same could also be the definition of success for Putin, because he doesn't give a shit about deaths, whether it's his soldiers or Ukrainians.

Bombs can only go so far, as I'm sure anyone who's heard of Afghanistan or Iraq could tell you. Every civilian killed in bombardments etc makes 100 more sign up to fight because there is nothing else they can do about it. Compared to the motivation of the invading army this is a losing proposition for Russia, even if they capture a city or raze it to the ground.

Let me clarify - They pose resistance through non-voluntary compliance. Meaning, they are not succumbing to Putin without fighting. But, that does pose any real or significant deterrence that would cause Putin to withdraw his troops. So their resistance is unsuccessful.

The only way to overcome the Russian military would be a sizeable army and modern weapons, and Ukraine doesn't have that. I'm seeing steady streams of info celebrating that Ukraine is able to fend the Russian army simultaneously as Russia announces they've captured regions and the city of Kherson.

Someone has to be wrong, I think it's probably the Ukrainians.