Topic: How long ukraine could survive? - page 2. (Read 1016 times)

February 24 2022 – ongoing. Several peach talks have been held, but no particular decision has been reached as of February 24.

One man's rule is entirely responsible for the immense suffering in Ukraine. After more than three weeks of fighting, Russia has made only marginal gains and is increasingly targeting civilians. All major international organizations have called for an end to the fighting. The situation is becoming increasingly tense. Mariupol, the Ukrainian port, is about to fall under Russian bombardment. It is morally wrong to continue the war in Ukraine. The battlefield will inevitably give way to the peace table sooner or later. Could Ukraine survive that long? That is the big question mark as they are not so willing to surrender.

Except NATO accept the plea of Zelensky to impose a no fly zone over Ukraine, then Ukraine would fall in less than one month from today. The air is Russia's strength and Ukraine's weakness. Ukraine would chase back Russian soldiers back to Moscow without the air force.
Also, until NATO gives a directive or places a redline on the use of chemical weapon, Russia will use it once they start loosing grounds and Ukraine would crumble.

All according to the 'plan'. 'Special operation' to turn Russia into the Soviet Union, lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vS6NJASrGI

'Spetsoperatsya' my ass. Everything is 'po plan-oo', lol.

LOL, you're right, flying is going to be the least of Russia's concerns. It's just one of many examples for how fucked Putin is. He had to steal foreign-leased airplanes, otherwise he'd have nothing.

How about sugar, figured that one out yet? Paper? Everything else that goes 2x up in price and/or disappears, including things that are supposedly made in Russia? Looks like someone didn't think through the whole "invade another country and fingers crossed for no sanctions" plan.

Center of Donetsk hit with cluster bomb, lots of civilian dead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8
https://web.archive.org/web/20220323134000/https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=ANNhDKGjNK8
https://tinyurl.com/2p894cze

Easy, illusions don't interest me. Curiously, you are more concerned with what kind of planes the Russians will fly than what you will eat. While valiant Ukrainian soldiers are inflicting untold losses on Putin's army (according to Ukrainian propaganda), the disruption of the sowing campaign in Ukraine has already taken place. And Ukraine is the breadbasket of all of Europe (was).

Larry C. Johnson: "The Ukrainian Army Has Been Defeated. What's Left Is Mop-Up"
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/larry-c-johnson-the-ukrainian-army-has-been-defeated-whats-left-is-mop-up/

This is not true, the MS-21-310 modification is equipped with the Russian PD-14 engine, which is produced at the UEC-Perm Motors plant. This is the first domestic aircraft engine for civil aviation after the collapse of the USSR. Only four countries in the world make aircraft engines for civil aviation, and Russia is also in this club. The problem with bringing domestic components to 100% is that this market is dominated by Boeing and Airbus, but after the imposition of sanctions, they eliminated themselves, so now this is not a problem.  

In fact, a much bigger problem is the sanctions from ASML, a manufacturer of lithographic equipment. Without this equipment, it is difficult to develop domestic microelectronics, regardless of the amount of cash injections into this area. Here, Russia may fall into a strategically disadvantageous dependence on China, which has achieved significant success in its import substitution, although it seems that ASML equipment is not available in China either. It is definitely in Taiwan, but that's a completely different story.

"is" is too generous for an airplane that hasn't even been produced in any kind of volume and has the same problem as the SSJ - vital foreign components.

Meanwhile in the real world:

https://topspb.tv/news/2022/03/22/s7-planiruet-ispolzovat-samolyoty-il-86-i-il-96/

That's the future, back to the USSR, which Putin likes so much.

To you have any news when Makariv was captured?

Convoy moves through Kharkiv region
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlS8XWEhZdM

And people donate for Ukraine, crazy world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAs_ftqJAOo

Kyiv has been surrounded by Russian troops on three sides for more than two weeks. The southern direction remains open to allow the maximum number of residents to leave the city, in order to minimize civilian losses during the assault on the city. What Putin really got wrong in my opinion is that he hardly expected that the Ukrainian military would use civilians as human shields. In the practice of warfare, this is regarded as a war crime.

I call on all civilians of the Kyiv to leave the city as soon as possible, while there is such an opportunity. The exit through the humanitarian corridor will be fraught with additional risks, and you may have to go through a search for Nazi tattoos on the body, bruises on the shoulder from the belt of the machine gun, calluses on the finger from the trigger, and through a detector for the presence of traces of explosives and powder gases on the skin. This standard procedure may not seem like the most pleasant experience of your life.

Ouch, that's gonna put a dent in the plan to surround Kyiv.

But no worries, Russian people will take a break from standing in lines for sugar and will instead donate supplies to keep the war going:


World's best army, eh Kremlinbots?

Makariv recaptured.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKWKDyDKGzw

JPM Trading Desk Hints Zelensky Close To "Capitulation"
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/jpm-trading-desk-asks-if-zelensky-close-capitulation

There is also a medium-haul narrow-body airliner MS-21 by the "Irkut" corporation, an approximate analogue of the Boeing 737. It is really not easy to quickly replace all Boeings and Airbuses with domestic aircraft, but nature does not tolerate emptiness and the place vacated on the market after the departure of Boeing and Airbus will not be free for long. Western economic sanctions may cause Russia some discomfort, but Russia secured all strategically important areas from sanctions pressure in 2014, after the annexation of Crimea.

Correction - half a jet, i.e. the half that's not made of foreign components. But that's ok, you'll still have Soviet-era trains when the Siemens-made ones stop running.

Madam, please stop the tantrum, my tone is quite calm. The "whole world" that hates Russia is just the USA and its lap dogs. South America, Africa and Eurasia (minus Western Europe) do not join the sanctions against Russia. In Western Europe, too, there are disagreements on this issue. This is a confrontation between the "golden billion" against the remaining seven billion, and you are not even in the majority to raise your voice against Russia. So shut the fuck up, please, or at least be more polite. You are not in a position to dictate your terms to Russia.

Only the hands of the people who populate this unfortunate country are growing out of their asses, and therefore all hope is only for resources. It's good that resources have the property of being exhaustible. For more than a KAMAZ, another destructive deathly weapon and programs for hacking other people's data you don`t have enough brain. So maybe it still says more about you?


The West is losing, it's true, but it still took such a step to stop your wild yoke. Your argument that you will not be stopped because they will lose also, speaks only of your immorality and total stupidity, which you are proud of. The whole world unites against you, a world full of divisions and diversity. But in the face of such a threat as the great fucking russia, the whole world decided to join forces. And you believe that all 7 billion people are lying, and they are lying systematically and similarly, people who do not agree on very many issues, but decided together for some reason to lie to you. Have you ever heard of logic? Is it really impossible to think that it is more likely that they are lying to you in your fucking country and that you are lying to yourself?


You are like a whore who sells an already emaciated body because there is nothing more to offer. Are you so sure that the world needs your resources? Are you so sure that everything depends on monetary gain? Don't make everyone equal by yourself. You do not know how to negotiate, you do not want to learn this, you only blackmail, steal, and with all of this you are proud of your "greatness". What is your greatness? The whole world hates you. And okay, hatred, they feel disgust and contempt for you. Do you really choose to boast of your resources, knowing about such an attitude towards you? Don't you think it would be worth doing something about it, and not yell at the top of your voice that everyone will die without you?

Apparently the Russians will have to fly a Sukhoi superjet and drive Chinese cars. Has the West already figured out what it will do WITHOUT Russian resources? Without heavy oil, all refineries in the US and Europe will not be able to operate normally. And they cannot be reconfigured only for light oil, only completely demolished and rebuilt. Therefore, Biden is forced to bow to Venezuela and Iran, except for Russia, only they have heavy oil. Iran's response came in the form of a missile attack on Iraq, perilously close to the US consulate, and probably means "no" to Biden. Venezuela will probably be more accommodating, although of course it will demand in return to remove all sanctions and recognize the legitimacy of Maduro. But there is a nuance, Maduro is a pro-Russian president, and Venezuelan oil is pumped by the Russian Rosneft. When you buy oil from Venezuela, you buy it from Russia to clear things up. All the heavy oil in the world is controlled by Russia, as it happened.

You can treat Putin differently, but he is a very strong geopolitical strategist.

Has the richest country figured out yet how to make anything from those resources or are you still flying in evil EU Airbuses and driving 1960s FIATs?

"The West" will have some short-term pain for sure. Putinland however will be fucked for a long time and every day of war digs the hole deeper.