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March 21, 2022, 10:21:44 AM
#70
Yes, so inexperienced that it has been waging this war since the beginning of the Soviet Union. It wages this war primarily against its own population, which wants to be led as sheep so much that it prefers not to notice anything that does not fit into their propaganda worldview. russians don't really care how it all looks from the outside? Well, now they have less and less chance of finding out if their eyes do start to open. You are digging yourself deeper every day. And the rest of the world will try very hard to make sure you don't find your way back.
I am very sorry that you have to suffer because of your clown president's inability to negotiate acceptable surrender terms. But do not shift from a sick head to a healthy one, you yourself chose him.
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March 21, 2022, 10:16:20 AM
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Now there are a lot of fakes in the media, Russia is not very experienced in the information war. This is probably why Putin calls the West the "Empire of Lies". The Russians are generally not too concerned about how it all looks from the outside. Probably at the end of the last century, Sprite's advertisements with the slogan "image is nothing, thirst is everything" were played on TV too often.   Grin


Yes, so inexperienced that it has been waging this war since the beginning of the Soviet Union. It wages this war primarily against its own population, which wants to be led as sheep so much that it prefers not to notice anything that does not fit into their propaganda worldview. russians don't really care how it all looks from the outside? Well, now they have less and less chance of finding out if their eyes do start to open. You are digging yourself deeper every day. And the rest of the world will try very hard to make sure you don't find your way back.
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March 21, 2022, 10:05:48 AM
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Now there are a lot of fakes in the media, Russia is not very experienced in the information war. This is probably why Putin calls the West the "Empire of Lies". The Russians are generally not too concerned about how it all looks from the outside. Probably at the end of the last century, Sprite's advertisements with the slogan "image is nothing, thirst is everything" were played on TV too often.   Grin

No, the Ukrainians are not stupid to believe that any kind of surrender to Putin would be better than fighting. This isn't about "the Ukrainian army" anymore. To defeat Ukraine it would take a genocide that'd make Stalin blush. Putin would have to kill and deport millions of Ukrainians. Can he do it before his economy collapses? While making new missiles (and airplanes, and pilots, etc) faster than he loses them?

There is no goal to defeat Ukraine, only demilitarization and cleansing from Nazism.
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March 21, 2022, 10:01:23 AM
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Without control over airspace, the Ukrainian army is doomed to defeat, with or without Javelins. And NATO prudently refused to close the airspace. I do not think that the Ukrainians are so stupid as to fight to the last Ukrainian without a chance of success.

No, the Ukrainians are not stupid to believe that any kind of surrender to Putin would be better than fighting. This isn't about "the Ukrainian army" anymore. To defeat Ukraine it would take a genocide that'd make Stalin blush. Putin would have to kill and deport millions of Ukrainians. Can he do it before his economy collapses? While making new missiles (and airplanes, and pilots, etc) faster than he loses them?
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March 21, 2022, 09:55:26 AM
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Any civilian or unarmed Ukrainian soldier can leave the combat zone through humanitarian corridors. They are more likely to be shot in the back by Azov nationalists than to be killed by regular Russian army soldiers.

You meant, russian invadors, killers and vandals. Because if you consider this waste as your army, you can immediately draw parallels to who you are considered to be.

https://kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/sbu-russian-troops-near-kharkiv-were-ordered-to-shoot-civilians/
https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troops-open-fire-bread-line-killing-10-reports-2022-3?r=US&IR=T
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/world/europe/ukraine-irpin-civilian-death.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-forces-kill-civilians-loot-for-supplies-in-occupied-ukraine-residents-say-11647267560
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/16/drone-footage-appears-show-russian-soldiers-shooting-civilian/
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March 21, 2022, 09:24:43 AM
#65
They do not have a choice, and they will fight to the last grandmother with a jar of pickles.
Only far-right nationalists with swastika tattoos have no choice.

Ok, now, I know you do not understand who is actually fighting in this conflict. Put down the Soviet kool-aid.
Any civilian or unarmed Ukrainian soldier can leave the combat zone through humanitarian corridors. They are more likely to be shot in the back by Azov nationalists than to be killed by regular Russian army soldiers.
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March 21, 2022, 09:13:20 AM
#64
They do not have a choice, and they will fight to the last grandmother with a jar of pickles.
Only far-right nationalists with swastika tattoos have no choice.
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March 21, 2022, 09:06:09 AM
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I see you are far from understanding such things. The Kinzhal hypersonic missile blah blah blah

Again, shelling civilians is hardly a defining or desirable attribute of a military victory. The question now is whether Putin has enough missiles to level Ukraine and kill every Ukrainian.

These are not democratic elections, when the population is asked about something.

Of course. Putinists wouldn't know democracy if it hit them in the ass (with a Javelin).
Without control over airspace, the Ukrainian army is doomed to defeat, with or without Javelins. And NATO prudently refused to close the airspace. I do not think that the Ukrainians are so stupid as to fight to the last Ukrainian without a chance of success.
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March 21, 2022, 08:49:29 AM
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I see you are far from understanding such things. The Kinzhal hypersonic missile blah blah blah

Again, shelling civilians is hardly a defining or desirable attribute of a military victory. The question now is whether Putin has enough missiles to level Ukraine and kill every Ukrainian.

These are not democratic elections, when the population is asked about something.

Of course. Putinists wouldn't know democracy if it hit them in the ass (with a Javelin).

Don't know where you reside but damn been cold in recend weeks and ground still forzen, you know winter and such...

That's exactly the military strategy I'm talking about. The ground must be frozen in Ukraine because it's frozen in Murmansk.... oops.

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March 21, 2022, 08:18:06 AM
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And yet this amazingly powerful hypersonic military force is stuck in the mud and getting smoked with rotten capitalist Javelins. How many missiles does Russia make per day? I bet it's less than they launch.
I see you are far from understanding such things. The Kinzhal hypersonic missile was recently successfully field-tested to demonstrate the capabilities of modern Russian weapons. And I think that the Pentagon's generals correctly interpreted this message (and it's not hypersonic missiles that European generals need to worry about, if an old Soviet reconnaissance drone launched from Ukrainian territory flew unhindered through several European countries and self-destructed). There is no good reason to fire cannons at sparrows in normal mode, so they mainly use proven reliable weapons and ammunition with an expiring shelf life, which are more expensive to dispose of than to use for their intended purpose.

Just like they "minimized" Grozny to a pile of rubble. As I said, that's the only "winning" strategy they have when the population doesn't want to be "liberated".
These are not democratic elections, when the population is asked about something. Ukrainian soldiers can lay down their arms at any moment and go home. Donbass and Lugansk asked Russia for help and they will receive it in full.
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March 21, 2022, 08:14:36 AM
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his amazingly powerful hypersonic military force is stuck in the mud and getting smoked with rotten capitalist Javelins. How many missiles does Russia make per day? I bet it's less than they launch.

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Don't know where you reside but damn been cold in recend weeks and ground still forzen, you know winter and such...
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March 21, 2022, 08:04:04 AM
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You are ill-informed, or tend to wishful thinking. Operation "polite people" in the Crimea was carried out without a single shot being fired. Operations in Abkhazia and North Ossetia were also swift and successful. The peacekeeping mission in Syria showed the whole world the power of Russian missile weapons, it seems then that Russia tested its "Caliber" missiles in combat conditions. The recent defeat of a fortified underground armory near the border with the Polish "Kinzhal" hypersonic missile was also very spectacular and, most importantly, effective. NATO countries have no analogues of such missiles and will not have them in the foreseeable future.

And yet this amazingly powerful hypersonic military force is stuck in the mud and getting smoked with rotten capitalist Javelins. How many missiles does Russia make per day? I bet it's less than they launch.

During any military operation, collateral casualties among the civilian population are inevitable. Especially when Ukrainian ultra-right nationalists hide behind civilians as a shield and set up firing points in residential areas. Losses among the civilian population could have been much greater if Russia had not taken care of minimizing them.

Just like they "minimized" Grozny to a pile of rubble. As I said, that's the only "winning" strategy they have when the population doesn't want to be "liberated".

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March 21, 2022, 07:21:49 AM
#58
Things must be really bad for Kremlin if you made it to the English boards.
How do you imagine it, Putin called me and said: "be.open tell our version of the truth on the bitcointalk forum, and please be convincing so that everyone believes in the Kremlin's propaganda"? Grin

Putin's army is able to "fight" only unarmed civilian population. When met with any kind of strategy and/or weaponry, it turns into cannon fodder. The only advantage it has is quantity but that's slowly changing.
You are ill-informed, or tend to wishful thinking. Operation "polite people" in the Crimea was carried out without a single shot being fired. Operations in Abkhazia and North Ossetia were also swift and successful. The peacekeeping mission in Syria showed the whole world the power of Russian missile weapons, it seems then that Russia tested its "Caliber" missiles in combat conditions. The recent defeat of a fortified underground armory near the border with the Polish "Kinzhal" hypersonic missile was also very spectacular and, most importantly, effective. NATO countries have no analogues of such missiles and will not have them in the foreseeable future.

During any military operation, collateral casualties among the civilian population are inevitable. Especially when Ukrainian ultra-right nationalists hide behind civilians as a shield and set up firing points in residential areas. Losses among the civilian population could have been much greater if Russia had not taken care of minimizing them.
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March 21, 2022, 05:51:46 AM
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Things must be really bad for Kremlin if you made it to the English boards.

Putin's army is able to "fight" only unarmed civilian population. When met with any kind of strategy and/or weaponry, it turns into cannon fodder. The only advantage it has is quantity but that's slowly changing.
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March 21, 2022, 03:30:09 AM
#55
Ukraine will last forever. It's just the Zelensky's government that's falling.
It's not Zelensky's government only because people are also affected, so the right word to use is "Ukraine ".

I hope they'll survive, but with how aggressive Russia is in pursuing their goal, they will only stop if Ukrain will surrender to Russia and Russia will take over the government.
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March 21, 2022, 03:26:44 AM
#54
The only way to overcome the Russian military would be a sizeable army and modern weapons, and Ukraine doesn't have that.
And who has? The West has chosen the strategy of economic sanctions because it does not feel it has the strength to directly counter Russia. And this is a wise decision, although ineffective, and also painful for the West itself. After the shameful evacuation from Afghanistan, I think no one in the world perceives NATO as a combat-ready alliance. If the Taliban on donkeys were able to put NATO forces to flight, then what can NATO oppose to Russia's hypersonic missiles, against which the most modern missile defense systems are powerless? The current events in Ukraine are a message to the West - US hegemony is over, there is now a new sheriff in the city.
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March 20, 2022, 02:00:33 PM
#52
The main purpose of Putin is the demilitarize Ukraine, they are not there to completely destroy the country. Ukraine is a strategic region for Russia, it's beneficial if they intend to make use of the country for improving economic activity especially because Crimea's coast is a large part of Ukraine.

I haven't read such big nonsense for a while. If they want to ''demilitarize'' Ukraine, why they are targeting civilian objects - aprtment houses, schools, hospitals, theatres, churches and so on? Is it military objects? There was report that 90% of buildings in Mariupol were more or less damaged or destroyed by Russian army. If they will want to use Ukraine as strategic region for their economic, first they will have to spend many billions to rebuild country. And I hope that they will have to spend these billions as war reparations, same as Germany did after WW2.
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March 20, 2022, 08:59:26 AM
#51
Surely Ukraine will last longer because in that country there are many heroes who are ready to sacrifice their lives to fight Russian aggression. And also international support will continue to flow to Ukraine and this is what gives them encouragement!
Really Left with help of international support Russian would have clear everyone in Ukraine, forget their heroes because is not about hero's, the thing that matters is war equipment's like nuclear weapons, like nuclear bomb that can destroy two million people at times, Russian know very well that if the destroy Ukraine more than the way they did u.s can interval and china will also come in to support Russian why u.s is supporting Ukraine
Is quite obvious that China will back Russia, If U.S.A decides to send troops to support Ukraine. But, don't you think that might lead to WW3? Although, Ukraine have been more strong that I expected, and they can't be destroyed entirely. Just that Russia don't want the US anywhere closer to them. They sees the NATO as a dangerous Organization. And will do anything within their capacity to ensure Ukraine doesn't join NATO.

It will lead to WWIII if they send troops there. China warns already that instead of sending weapons to Ukraine, go there to send medical aid. That's just it because sending weapons will just make this conflict worse and more people will die. The world already suffers whoever fault is this, doesn't matter anymore when you are in the middle of the battleground.

The main purpose of Putin is the demilitarize Ukraine, they are not there to completely destroy the country. Ukraine is a strategic region for Russia, it's beneficial if they intend to make use of the country for improving economic activity especially because Crimea's coast is a large part of Ukraine.
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