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Quote from: suchmoon on March 21, 2022, 11:22:21 AM

Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 11:05:48 AM

Now there are a lot of fakes in the media

Yep, like this idiot here regurgitating Russian state media lies:

Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 11:05:48 AM

There is no goal to defeat Ukraine, only demilitarization and cleansing from Nazism.

It doesn't matter what you call it. Putin's snowflake dictionary has no meaning outside of his propaganda machine. He started a war that he's increasingly unlikely to win and you'll be lucky if he doesn't completely destroy Russia's economy in the process.

What you say about me does not characterize me, but you. Russia is the richest country in the world in terms of resources, so your concern about the state of our economy is completely in vain. Western sanctions hurt the West itself, as well as that part of the Russians who are already against Putin. Think about it at your leisure - has the West chosen an effective strategy to punish Putin, if in fact he is punishing himself in the first place?

ps For me, political conversations are enough for today, with your permission, I will go and have dinner with vodka, and then I need to walk my bear.

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Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 11:05:48 AM

Now there are a lot of fakes in the media

Yep, like this idiot here regurgitating Russian state media lies:

Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 11:05:48 AM

There is no goal to defeat Ukraine, only demilitarization and cleansing from Nazism.

It doesn't matter what you call it. Putin's snowflake dictionary has no meaning outside of his propaganda machine. He started a war that he's increasingly unlikely to win and you'll be lucky if he doesn't completely destroy Russia's economy in the process.

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Quote from: Etranger on March 21, 2022, 11:16:20 AM

Yes, so inexperienced that it has been waging this war since the beginning of the Soviet Union. It wages this war primarily against its own population, which wants to be led as sheep so much that it prefers not to notice anything that does not fit into their propaganda worldview. russians don't really care how it all looks from the outside? Well, now they have less and less chance of finding out if their eyes do start to open. You are digging yourself deeper every day. And the rest of the world will try very hard to make sure you don't find your way back.

I am very sorry that you have to suffer because of your clown president's inability to negotiate acceptable surrender terms. But do not shift from a sick head to a healthy one, you yourself chose him.

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Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 11:05:48 AM

Quote from: Etranger on March 21, 2022, 10:55:26 AM

Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 10:24:43 AM

Any civilian or unarmed Ukrainian soldier can leave the combat zone through humanitarian corridors. They are more likely to be shot in the back by Azov nationalists than to be killed by regular Russian army soldiers.

You meant, russian invadors, killers and vandals. Because if you consider this waste as your army, you can immediately draw parallels to who you are considered to be.

https://kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/sbu-russian-troops-near-kharkiv-were-ordered-to-shoot-civilians/
https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troops-open-fire-bread-line-killing-10-reports-2022-3?r=US&IR=T
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/world/europe/ukraine-irpin-civilian-death.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-forces-kill-civilians-loot-for-supplies-in-occupied-ukraine-residents-say-11647267560
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/16/drone-footage-appears-show-russian-soldiers-shooting-civilian/

Now there are a lot of fakes in the media, Russia is not very experienced in the information war. This is probably why Putin calls the West the "Empire of Lies". The Russians are generally not too concerned about how it all looks from the outside. Probably at the end of the last century, Sprite's advertisements with the slogan "image is nothing, thirst is everything" were played on TV too often. Grin

Yes, so inexperienced that it has been waging this war since the beginning of the Soviet Union. It wages this war primarily against its own population, which wants to be led as sheep so much that it prefers not to notice anything that does not fit into their propaganda worldview. russians don't really care how it all looks from the outside? Well, now they have less and less chance of finding out if their eyes do start to open. You are digging yourself deeper every day. And the rest of the world will try very hard to make sure you don't find your way back.

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Quote from: Etranger on March 21, 2022, 10:55:26 AM

Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 10:24:43 AM

Any civilian or unarmed Ukrainian soldier can leave the combat zone through humanitarian corridors. They are more likely to be shot in the back by Azov nationalists than to be killed by regular Russian army soldiers.

You meant, russian invadors, killers and vandals. Because if you consider this waste as your army, you can immediately draw parallels to who you are considered to be.

https://kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/sbu-russian-troops-near-kharkiv-were-ordered-to-shoot-civilians/
https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troops-open-fire-bread-line-killing-10-reports-2022-3?r=US&IR=T
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/world/europe/ukraine-irpin-civilian-death.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-forces-kill-civilians-loot-for-supplies-in-occupied-ukraine-residents-say-11647267560
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/16/drone-footage-appears-show-russian-soldiers-shooting-civilian/

Now there are a lot of fakes in the media, Russia is not very experienced in the information war. This is probably why Putin calls the West the "Empire of Lies". The Russians are generally not too concerned about how it all looks from the outside. Probably at the end of the last century, Sprite's advertisements with the slogan "image is nothing, thirst is everything" were played on TV too often. Grin

Quote from: suchmoon on March 21, 2022, 11:01:23 AM

No, the Ukrainians are not stupid to believe that any kind of surrender to Putin would be better than fighting. This isn't about "the Ukrainian army" anymore. To defeat Ukraine it would take a genocide that'd make Stalin blush. Putin would have to kill and deport millions of Ukrainians. Can he do it before his economy collapses? While making new missiles (and airplanes, and pilots, etc) faster than he loses them?

There is no goal to defeat Ukraine, only demilitarization and cleansing from Nazism.

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Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 10:06:09 AM

Without control over airspace, the Ukrainian army is doomed to defeat, with or without Javelins. And NATO prudently refused to close the airspace. I do not think that the Ukrainians are so stupid as to fight to the last Ukrainian without a chance of success.

No, the Ukrainians are not stupid to believe that any kind of surrender to Putin would be better than fighting. This isn't about "the Ukrainian army" anymore. To defeat Ukraine it would take a genocide that'd make Stalin blush. Putin would have to kill and deport millions of Ukrainians. Can he do it before his economy collapses? While making new missiles (and airplanes, and pilots, etc) faster than he loses them?

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Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 10:24:43 AM

Any civilian or unarmed Ukrainian soldier can leave the combat zone through humanitarian corridors. They are more likely to be shot in the back by Azov nationalists than to be killed by regular Russian army soldiers.

You meant, russian invadors, killers and vandals. Because if you consider this waste as your army, you can immediately draw parallels to who you are considered to be.

https://kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/sbu-russian-troops-near-kharkiv-were-ordered-to-shoot-civilians/
https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troops-open-fire-bread-line-killing-10-reports-2022-3?r=US&IR=T
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/world/europe/ukraine-irpin-civilian-death.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-forces-kill-civilians-loot-for-supplies-in-occupied-ukraine-residents-say-11647267560
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/16/drone-footage-appears-show-russian-soldiers-shooting-civilian/

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Quote from: af_newbie on March 21, 2022, 10:17:44 AM

Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 10:13:20 AM

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They do not have a choice, and they will fight to the last grandmother with a jar of pickles.

Only far-right nationalists with swastika tattoos have no choice.

Ok, now, I know you do not understand who is actually fighting in this conflict. Put down the Soviet kool-aid.

Any civilian or unarmed Ukrainian soldier can leave the combat zone through humanitarian corridors. They are more likely to be shot in the back by Azov nationalists than to be killed by regular Russian army soldiers.

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Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 10:13:20 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on March 21, 2022, 10:07:49 AM

They do not have a choice, and they will fight to the last grandmother with a jar of pickles.

Only far-right nationalists with swastika tattoos have no choice.

Ok, now, I know you do not understand who is actually fighting in this conflict. Put down the Soviet kool-aid.

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Quote from: af_newbie on March 21, 2022, 10:07:49 AM

They do not have a choice, and they will fight to the last grandmother with a jar of pickles.

Only far-right nationalists with swastika tattoos have no choice.

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Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 10:06:09 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on March 21, 2022, 09:49:29 AM

Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 09:18:06 AM

I see you are far from understanding such things. The Kinzhal hypersonic missile blah blah blah

Again, shelling civilians is hardly a defining or desirable attribute of a military victory. The question now is whether Putin has enough missiles to level Ukraine and kill every Ukrainian.

Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 09:18:06 AM

These are not democratic elections, when the population is asked about something.

Of course. Putinists wouldn't know democracy if it hit them in the ass (with a Javelin).

Without control over airspace, the Ukrainian army is doomed to defeat, with or without Javelins. And NATO prudently refused to close the airspace. I do not think that the Ukrainians are so stupid as to fight to the last Ukrainian without a chance of success.

They do not have a choice, and they will fight to the last grandmother with a jar of pickles.

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 21, 2022, 09:49:29 AM

Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 09:18:06 AM

I see you are far from understanding such things. The Kinzhal hypersonic missile blah blah blah

Again, shelling civilians is hardly a defining or desirable attribute of a military victory. The question now is whether Putin has enough missiles to level Ukraine and kill every Ukrainian.

Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 09:18:06 AM

These are not democratic elections, when the population is asked about something.

Of course. Putinists wouldn't know democracy if it hit them in the ass (with a Javelin).

Without control over airspace, the Ukrainian army is doomed to defeat, with or without Javelins. And NATO prudently refused to close the airspace. I do not think that the Ukrainians are so stupid as to fight to the last Ukrainian without a chance of success.

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Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 09:18:06 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on March 21, 2022, 09:04:04 AM

And yet this amazingly powerful hypersonic military force is stuck in the mud and getting smoked with rotten capitalist Javelins. How many missiles does Russia make per day? I bet it's less than they launch.

I see you are far from understanding such things. The Kinzhal hypersonic missile was recently successfully field-tested to demonstrate the capabilities of modern Russian weapons. And I think that the Pentagon's generals correctly interpreted this message (and it's not hypersonic missiles that European generals need to worry about, if an old Soviet reconnaissance drone launched from Ukrainian territory flew unhindered through several European countries and self-destructed). There is no good reason to fire cannons at sparrows in normal mode, so they mainly use proven reliable weapons and ammunition with an expiring shelf life, which are more expensive to dispose of than to use for their intended purpose.

Quote from: suchmoon on March 21, 2022, 09:04:04 AM

Just like they "minimized" Grozny to a pile of rubble. As I said, that's the only "winning" strategy they have when the population doesn't want to be "liberated".

These are not democratic elections, when the population is asked about something. Ukrainian soldiers can lay down their arms at any moment and go home. Donbass and Lugansk asked Russia for help and they will receive it in full.

You really don't know what is actually happening in Donbas. Right now, RUSSIANS are taking young men at gunpoint from the streets
(literally) and enlisting them in the RUSSIAN army, and sending them off to the front line to use them as cannon fodder. They are used to
locate Ukrainian army positions. Independent republics my ass.

The population of Crimea, Donbas, and Luhansk have been terrorized by Russian gangs and the regular military for 8 years.

Right now, and probably never, the Russian army does not have any strategy. The only 'strategy' is to level everything and drive-in, rape, and plunder. Kill unarmed civilians.

They don't know how to fight, that is why they are losing big time in this conflict.

The way they are equipped looks like they were teletransported from WWII.
It looks like this was done on purpose so that Putin can re-live his denazification WWII movie.

We all know the answer: rampant corruption in the Russian army.

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Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 09:18:06 AM

I see you are far from understanding such things. The Kinzhal hypersonic missile blah blah blah

Again, shelling civilians is hardly a defining or desirable attribute of a military victory. The question now is whether Putin has enough missiles to level Ukraine and kill every Ukrainian.

Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 09:18:06 AM

These are not democratic elections, when the population is asked about something.

Of course. Putinists wouldn't know democracy if it hit them in the ass (with a Javelin).

Quote from: Tash on March 21, 2022, 09:14:36 AM

Don't know where you reside but damn been cold in recend weeks and ground still forzen, you know winter and such...

That's exactly the military strategy I'm talking about. The ground must be frozen in Ukraine because it's frozen in Murmansk.... oops.

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 21, 2022, 09:04:04 AM

And yet this amazingly powerful hypersonic military force is stuck in the mud and getting smoked with rotten capitalist Javelins. How many missiles does Russia make per day? I bet it's less than they launch.

I see you are far from understanding such things. The Kinzhal hypersonic missile was recently successfully field-tested to demonstrate the capabilities of modern Russian weapons. And I think that the Pentagon's generals correctly interpreted this message (and it's not hypersonic missiles that European generals need to worry about, if an old Soviet reconnaissance drone launched from Ukrainian territory flew unhindered through several European countries and self-destructed). There is no good reason to fire cannons at sparrows in normal mode, so they mainly use proven reliable weapons and ammunition with an expiring shelf life, which are more expensive to dispose of than to use for their intended purpose.

Quote from: suchmoon on March 21, 2022, 09:04:04 AM

Just like they "minimized" Grozny to a pile of rubble. As I said, that's the only "winning" strategy they have when the population doesn't want to be "liberated".

These are not democratic elections, when the population is asked about something. Ukrainian soldiers can lay down their arms at any moment and go home. Donbass and Lugansk asked Russia for help and they will receive it in full.

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 21, 2022, 09:04:04 AM

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his amazingly powerful hypersonic military force is stuck in the mud and getting smoked with rotten capitalist Javelins. How many missiles does Russia make per day? I bet it's less than they launch.

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Don't know where you reside but damn been cold in recend weeks and ground still forzen, you know winter and such...

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Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 08:21:49 AM

You are ill-informed, or tend to wishful thinking. Operation "polite people" in the Crimea was carried out without a single shot being fired. Operations in Abkhazia and North Ossetia were also swift and successful. The peacekeeping mission in Syria showed the whole world the power of Russian missile weapons, it seems then that Russia tested its "Caliber" missiles in combat conditions. The recent defeat of a fortified underground armory near the border with the Polish "Kinzhal" hypersonic missile was also very spectacular and, most importantly, effective. NATO countries have no analogues of such missiles and will not have them in the foreseeable future.

And yet this amazingly powerful hypersonic military force is stuck in the mud and getting smoked with rotten capitalist Javelins. How many missiles does Russia make per day? I bet it's less than they launch.

Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 08:21:49 AM

During any military operation, collateral casualties among the civilian population are inevitable. Especially when Ukrainian ultra-right nationalists hide behind civilians as a shield and set up firing points in residential areas. Losses among the civilian population could have been much greater if Russia had not taken care of minimizing them.

Just like they "minimized" Grozny to a pile of rubble. As I said, that's the only "winning" strategy they have when the population doesn't want to be "liberated".

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 21, 2022, 06:51:46 AM

Things must be really bad for Kremlin if you made it to the English boards.

How do you imagine it, Putin called me and said: "be.open tell our version of the truth on the bitcointalk forum, and please be convincing so that everyone believes in the Kremlin's propaganda"? Grin

Quote from: suchmoon on March 21, 2022, 06:51:46 AM

Putin's army is able to "fight" only unarmed civilian population. When met with any kind of strategy and/or weaponry, it turns into cannon fodder. The only advantage it has is quantity but that's slowly changing.

You are ill-informed, or tend to wishful thinking. Operation "polite people" in the Crimea was carried out without a single shot being fired. Operations in Abkhazia and North Ossetia were also swift and successful. The peacekeeping mission in Syria showed the whole world the power of Russian missile weapons, it seems then that Russia tested its "Caliber" missiles in combat conditions. The recent defeat of a fortified underground armory near the border with the Polish "Kinzhal" hypersonic missile was also very spectacular and, most importantly, effective. NATO countries have no analogues of such missiles and will not have them in the foreseeable future.

During any military operation, collateral casualties among the civilian population are inevitable. Especially when Ukrainian ultra-right nationalists hide behind civilians as a shield and set up firing points in residential areas. Losses among the civilian population could have been much greater if Russia had not taken care of minimizing them.

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Quote from: be.open on March 21, 2022, 04:26:44 AM

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Things must be really bad for Kremlin if you made it to the English boards.

Putin's army is able to "fight" only unarmed civilian population. When met with any kind of strategy and/or weaponry, it turns into cannon fodder. The only advantage it has is quantity but that's slowly changing.

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Blatant admission to war crimes.
https://rumble.com/vxz90v-breaking-ukraine-orders-to-castrate-all-russian-pows-because-they-are-cockr.html

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