Topic: How succesful will AI projects be to win the house? - page 3. (Read 3173 times)

I agree with that part that you said in the near future we will be seeing almost of successful AI that could works 5x faster than human and that could be able to accelerate the success we may records in areas were those AIs will be used and specifically since the discussion is about the possibility AI success to beat the house.

Casinos may act proactively to salvage such results since gambling machines are sometimes developed to always put the house an edge against the players and if AI couldn't break that protocol set it then may still be unlikely to win even with all its analysis or 5x faster decisions and actions based on the available information to the AI to make such decision.

AI is currently becoming more advanced and we may see more advanced AI in the near future that can make decisions faster than normal humans. AI will be widely used in various sectors including gambling. We are already seeing a lot of things that AI is taking control of. If you pay attention to crypto trading, you will see how the market uses your emotions to control you, it is not easy to control without AI so perfectly.

So will be the case with gambling, AI will collect the information of the gamblers to create a system where winning will be the main challenge for a gambler. While we may not yet see the full impact of how difficult AI will be, we may soon see how difficult it is to play against AI.

Maybe only a small number of gamblers have tried to use AI in gambling because maybe they are the people chosen by the developers to test their success in using AI. But after all, both gamblers who use AI and regular gamblers still have a chance to win and if the casino uses AI too, the chances of winning will be difficult for all gamblers because they have to deal with the AI the casino has. But that still gives gamblers a chance to win because they still have luck playing gambling. But it seems that ordinary gamblers still enjoy gambling even though they don't use AI, especially those who only play gambling because they want to have fun.

It has become common for people who are enthusiastic about this new technology, especially if they have tried it and seen the results. They really hope to beat the casino and get a big win to make up for their previous losses. But they don't think what will happen if the casino applies the same technology to block those who use AI. And this is why in the near future, maybe we will see the development of this AI technology in all businesses so that competition in the gambling sector will become even tighter.

The casino and the banda will indeed win against us, even if we use AI because we must remember that the casino is their business and no one sees their business suffer a loss from a system. They will update their system to a more sophisticated one so that they still have the opportunity to benefit from their business. And only ordinary casinos who don't want to keep up with technological developments will go bankrupt because they might lose their money because many gamblers eventually win.

Usually people who are new to this technology must feel sure and confident that this technology can help them to win against casinos just because they use AI, after all if only they knew that casinos are much smarter than us we definitely won't do it, just as an example, for example, if we cheat, their system will detect it, especially if we win in a row, I think their system will also detect it using a more sophisticated AI system.

Casinos and bookies will always win against you and other gamblers on their sites, so don't ever try to do silly things like that because they anticipate technology from time to time and update their game systems, always remember that dealers and casinos will always win because if they lose, they go bankrupt and go out of business, gamble for fun 

Not so. Today just small part of gamblers trying to use AI in gambling. That`s why the common gambler has a good chance to win sometimes - the casino has a winning percentage, so due to small part of "AI" gamblers all other gamblers can win. But if the part of "AI" gamblers will grow up seriously, they will win the most prizes and the common gamblers will lose the most times. And casino will get the same profit but from the gamblers without AI.

But it seems that even though AI has been widely implemented, there are still gamblers who will still gamble in many casinos. They might not have many chances to win without using AI but they will still gamble because it is the fun they seek. And even though the casino implements AI for its system, it doesn't stop the gamblers because they might still hope to win from the casino even though the winnings are not big.

However, gamblers who use AI will try their best to beat the casino. They think their chances of winning will be greater by using AI. But we know that it is the casino that will win the most.

AI developers are one of the highest suit after services lately and one have to be certain of the amount that is required to get one performing and accurate one and I am sure that,  if gamblers have proven record of success with the AI it becomes easy and necessary to spend the money in acquiring it.

But the bigger question is,  have there been any proven successful AI developers that have been able to beat the house edge to give the gambler winning on a steady basis and has anyone used it to know its success rate?

Sure, the developers will charge an arm and a leg for it; that's basic economics, supply and demand! Do you think Elon Musk gives away Teslas for free? Of course not. Anything that's worth its salt will come at a price

The part where you say a regular gambler couldn't afford it is where you go wrong. People make investments to get returns. Those who can't afford it could pool their resources. And remember, no one starts with a fortune; you build it. Access to such a game-changing technology would be a golden ticket, and people will find a way to pay for it, even if it's expensive. It's about ambition, the desire to win big

Exactly. The only thing i think else is that the number of gambler will decrease. No one want to lose every game - the gamblers who willn`t use AI will change hobby. Or, possible it would be some part of casino without AI, but i don`t know how it is possible to realize.

People need to understand that if an AI model becomes able to actually beat the house, it won't be accessible for everyone for free but the developers will ask for payment for everyone in order to get access to it just like GPT-4 which you can't access unless you pay a monthly fee for it, and, I don't think that they will ask for a small amount for it knowing that it is able to beat the house and make someone win a lot of money, so they will ask a hefty amount for it.

And, a regular gambler would never be able to pay a lot of money only to buy access to the AI model that they can use to beat the house and win some money because they wouldn't have that much. So, though it's not happening, even if it does, it won't be as successful and usable as a lot of us might be thinking.

It is possible if the player have third-party hack powered by AI to penetrate the game security and manipulate the result or can be able read the script/code and be able to determine the next result and align the bet of the player to win.

This is more on hacking with AI support which is known illegal and subject to ban and possible lawsuit.  And this shows that using AI script that is not injected into the core of the game will never 100% guess the right answer because there are too many variable and the RNG prevents them in guessing even with a sophisticated calculator equipped.

The casino already have a system in place to combat such possibility and that is why AI may not record success in the casinos since of usage may witness a resistance from the system,  I have not witnessed any success with AI and even the success recorded with trading using AI,  this aspect have also witnessed a lot of resistance and possible scams from various quarters and let see what the future brings for AI development in the coming future but the chances of success for the AI in gambling is highly minimal.

So for that, we don't have to waste our time in searching for such possibilities since we already know the restrictions that await this development in gambling.

I have suggested in previous posts that the only way an artificial intelligence would actually beat the house would be if the AI managed to somehow hack into the casino's system / random number generator, which besides of illegal, is very unlikely to happen. It would imply some developers would give those AI the hability to code or analize code. Does not sound ethical, in my opinion.

As it stands, AI is just supposed to be a tool to enhance access to information and aid gambler to keep track of their activity.

if there is any AI it would probably only be useful for casino games that rely on luck, talking about slots games and dice games, but I believe this could be something prohibited or discouraged by casinos through their TOS. if people remember a few years ago many people stayed on youtube and even on many sites talking about that they had a bot that was very useful and gave a lot of earnings, even the favorite site of these people was freebitc, I remember that at that time they said that the bot could give a lot of profits in dice games they even put strategies that they said were winning strategies, so I didn't use the bot, but I know someone who used the bot and did everything in the video but that person lost everything

I confess that at that time I spent days wondering why people were so cruel, I didn't understand that the real objective of those guys on youtube was to gain followers and earn money from youtube, they weren't caring about people, they just wanted to earn money with youtube views. this will happen with AI, because some time ago there were ponzi sites that lied that they were trading professionals with 10 years of experience in the stock market and that they also had AI, when in fact they were operating a ponzi scheme

now with the appearance of AI, some scammers started lying that they can give 100% accurate tips in sports betting, I've seen some sites lying that they have a bot that gives 100% success, probably in months I'll see them lying that there is some AI that predicts all games with 100% hit rates, while everything is a lie, but people will believe these lies because they are too lazy to do analyzes in person

      -      You know, I will not deny that AI helps us a lot in terms of searching something that we don't know or want to know, it will give us the right answer. but when it comes to gambling in a  casino it is quite impossible for Ai to beat the house in the casino.

That's why most are influencers. saying that they earn a lot from Ai is just exaggeration, that's the truth. Those influencers are just scammers and deceivers. That's why I hope others don't rely on the to same title made by op.

I also think that the AI in a casino is for support and security problems, the bots mostly don't have AI, because it would be something very unfair, particularly a player who plays against an AI, what chance will he have of winning? None, so I can't deny that in casino games they can use bots, but to go against a player I don't think so, each game system has its own level of difficulty, if AI gets into it, how can they have the ability to attack? something? It would be somewhat unfair and the truth is that there would be no winners in the casino, and it doesn't work that way either, because even though the casino always has the advantage, one advantage is not fair.

And in most casinos there are always winners, at least the ones I've been frequenting always see that there are winners and not exactly bots, it's normal, players who are always playing in the casino, sometimes you see them, so this These are the kinds of things that should be seen, when in a casino there is no daily winning rate, well, they will simply leave the casino and leave, it is normal, no one will give money without the option of winning, that is something that is clear, because a casino is a place where people use it to play, take risks, win and sometimes lose, but if they see that the odds don't favor it much because people leave, I understand that the casino will always have the advantage of the house, and the house always wins, but when there are no winners, the players are not stupid, they leave.

In this order of ideas, he thinks that when any casino is mentioned, he should have help in terms of security, and what better than an AI, because with all that he has been talking about AI, it is already a great trend, so , It is difficult, there are some platforms that are not from casinos, but it is mostly talked about that there must already be many experts in AI security in each casino, that obviously represents an Expense, but using AI for players in their game does not I think casinos do.

Well, currently, this is not yet working so fine, and I can say that it's not yet winning the house, and before it can do that, it needs to be so successful that many gamblers might have used it and confirmed that it works quite well in making more wins than they do. Just as Wiwo has said, the AI is becoming successful in some other areas of life and helping one's activities to speed up, and that's to say that if it's fully integrated into the casinos and it's able to make more successful wins than normal gamblers, then it can quickly spread among gamblers.

It will be a never-ending battle between AI-wielding casinos and AI-wielding gamblers and we will see who will win. But at least the casinos will still win lots of money because it's their business so the gamblers will lose. And because it's the business that can make the casino bigger, especially if the casino applies AI it can protect its business from the AI wave that will come soon.

And no matter how strong the AI that will be used against the casino, the casino will be able to survive and will take the most money because many gamblers will lose playing gambling. And only with the awareness to continue using gambling as a medium of entertainment can we do and don't need to depend on anything to get pleasure from gambling. Just use money sparingly and enjoy gambling as entertainment.

The only thing that can make casino allow gambler to win is the law. As i know all casino`s bots has a program with winning percentage. If the casino can get more money from the gamblers - they do it. It is just a business and the profit is the main goal. If the AI will allow to increase gamblers winrate - the casino will use AI to decrease it to minimal allowed.