How to self exclude from anonymous gambling sites

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Quote from: dwyane36 on December 04, 2024, 08:18:03 AM

Quote from: delfastTions on December 03, 2024, 03:12:54 AM

Perhaps there is another radical way of self-restraint and it consists in complete isolation of the player with problems of gambling addiction from all available gadgets.
Of course, an exception can be made only for the simplest push-button mobile phone exclusively for phone calls. But it is clear that this extreme method also provides for the isolation of the player himself in some clinic where there is no access to the Internet or in some remote area also free from gadgets. But if we are talking about serious gambling addiction on the verge of insanity, then apparently this is the only way to stop the process of destruction of the brain of such a player.
And any self-control and self-restraint with free access to gambling from different IP, and with VPN, this is all certainly not an option for real restriction of access to the game.

Who is going to do it and control such a gambler? Imho, too addicted gambler can only help himself when he realizes the essence of the problem. Neither gambling sites that offer to enable self-exclusion options, nor relatives, nor doctors can help such a person. On the contrary, if there is external pressure or any restrictions on such an addicted person, he is very likely to look for new ways around it.

Yeah, that's true.
And reproaches and abuse from relatives just make the recovery process of the gambling addict even more difficult simply because they constantly remind the player of gambling and the pleasure and adrenaline that he gets.
However, sometimes the media reports on the treatment of gambling addiction (which, by the way, is actually recognized as a mental illness by the World Health Organization and generally by all countries), namely by completely isolating the patient in special hospitals. Of course, we are talking about the most severe stage of this disease, when the patient completely loses his mind because of gambling addiction. In such cases, you still can't do without isolation from any gadgets.
By the way, such treatment costs a lot of money and patients are usually not poor people.

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Quote from: delfastTions on December 03, 2024, 03:12:54 AM

Perhaps there is another radical way of self-restraint and it consists in complete isolation of the player with problems of gambling addiction from all available gadgets.
Of course, an exception can be made only for the simplest push-button mobile phone exclusively for phone calls. But it is clear that this extreme method also provides for the isolation of the player himself in some clinic where there is no access to the Internet or in some remote area also free from gadgets. But if we are talking about serious gambling addiction on the verge of insanity, then apparently this is the only way to stop the process of destruction of the brain of such a player.
And any self-control and self-restraint with free access to gambling from different IP, and with VPN, this is all certainly not an option for real restriction of access to the game.

Who is going to do it and control such a gambler? Imho, too addicted gambler can only help himself when he realizes the essence of the problem. Neither gambling sites that offer to enable self-exclusion options, nor relatives, nor doctors can help such a person. On the contrary, if there is external pressure or any restrictions on such an addicted person, he is very likely to look for new ways around it.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on December 01, 2024, 03:25:01 AM

Quote from: EarnOnVictor on November 28, 2024, 10:51:43 AM

Quote from: Fortify on November 13, 2024, 02:44:10 AM

This has nothing to do with the actual gambling sites themselves and relies far too much on self control, which any addict will tell you is their major flaw. The answer to self exclusion from anonymous gambling sites is simple: if they truly are anonymous then they should never have access to any personal information and this would preclude them from being able to effectively ban you. In that case, the most they could do is place an IP ban on you, which they may be hesitant to do because it could restrict other legitimate users as many IPs are shared these days. It's simply not a solution or practical for the people you suggest.

I understand your view and proposition but no matter how you try to suggest a solution, there will always be flaws. Fine, they can't be able to exclude the addict if they are true to their anonymity, but I see the same flaw in placing an IP ban on the gambler. This is even the simplest of it all if the addict is using a dynamic IP. It is as simple in my country as just putting your data off and on, the IP automatically change to another.

But I like your additional view, who knows, another customer without issues living in the same country will soon be a victim of the IP ban, so it's pointless.

IP ban would really be that indeed pointless yet we do have VPN and were good to go and able to play without any issues. Any ban or prohibition will really be that totally pointless because of the possible ways or bypass. The best thing here is that if you are planning to quit up gambling then it will really be that just depend on whats inside on your head, if you arent that prepared to stop or having those realizations about gambling then there's nothing that would stop you on playing because every ways or methods will really be that available. No ban or ip restriction or any other correlated things will really be able to stop you.On the moment that you have those kind of self control then even if there's no ban or restriction but still you could really be able stop if you wanted to. It all matters with your self control and discipline.

Perhaps there is another radical way of self-restraint and it consists in complete isolation of the player with problems of gambling addiction from all available gadgets.
Of course, an exception can be made only for the simplest push-button mobile phone exclusively for phone calls. But it is clear that this extreme method also provides for the isolation of the player himself in some clinic where there is no access to the Internet or in some remote area also free from gadgets. But if we are talking about serious gambling addiction on the verge of insanity, then apparently this is the only way to stop the process of destruction of the brain of such a player.
And any self-control and self-restraint with free access to gambling from different IP, and with VPN, this is all certainly not an option for real restriction of access to the game.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on November 28, 2024, 10:51:43 AM

Quote from: Fortify on November 13, 2024, 02:44:10 AM

This has nothing to do with the actual gambling sites themselves and relies far too much on self control, which any addict will tell you is their major flaw. The answer to self exclusion from anonymous gambling sites is simple: if they truly are anonymous then they should never have access to any personal information and this would preclude them from being able to effectively ban you. In that case, the most they could do is place an IP ban on you, which they may be hesitant to do because it could restrict other legitimate users as many IPs are shared these days. It's simply not a solution or practical for the people you suggest.

I understand your view and proposition but no matter how you try to suggest a solution, there will always be flaws. Fine, they can't be able to exclude the addict if they are true to their anonymity, but I see the same flaw in placing an IP ban on the gambler. This is even the simplest of it all if the addict is using a dynamic IP. It is as simple in my country as just putting your data off and on, the IP automatically change to another.

But I like your additional view, who knows, another customer without issues living in the same country will soon be a victim of the IP ban, so it's pointless.

IP ban would really be that indeed pointless yet we do have VPN and were good to go and able to play without any issues. Any ban or prohibition will really be that totally pointless because of the possible ways or bypass. The best thing here is that if you are planning to quit up gambling then it will really be that just depend on whats inside on your head, if you arent that prepared to stop or having those realizations about gambling then there's nothing that would stop you on playing because every ways or methods will really be that available. No ban or ip restriction or any other correlated things will really be able to stop you.On the moment that you have those kind of self control then even if there's no ban or restriction but still you could really be able stop if you wanted to. It all matters with your self control and discipline.

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Quote from: Cryptoprincess101 on November 28, 2024, 03:36:37 AM

Quote from: delfastTions on November 28, 2024, 02:43:20 AM

The main question here is how to tune your brain so that every time you remember about gambling and the pleasure you will get from it, especially when you win, your brain would give you a signal to stop these thoughts.
This is exactly the process with which most gamblers on the border with gambling addiction have great difficulties.

You are right here because the feeling that rings in the head of a gambler when they win can also be problematic when they lose because the emotions that are often attach to it is not a good one, so in order not to be caught between having the feelings of success and failure, it would be better to keep your mind neutral from your feelings when you win.

Quote from: delfastTions on November 28, 2024, 02:43:20 AM

I think that doctors specializing in the treatment of gambling addiction should know how such a gambler can distract himself from these obsessive thoughts about the next game and the thrill he will get from the new game. Most likely, psychiatrists have a set of methods that can drown out such thoughts.
The only problem is that in psychiatry there are as many patients as there are unique situations that require treatment. This is a well-known problem and, of course, it also concerns gamblers at the stage of gambling addiction.

Addiction is very bad to one's mental health but subjecting a gambling addict to a psychiatrist is not a good idea unless for a person that have started acting abnormally as a result of gambling addiction. Being a gambling addict does not make someone become a victim of a mental situation but their activities after addiction is what would tell if they have gone beyond normal control or not. I think a therapist can handle cases of gambling addiction and not a psychiatrist.

This, of course, depends on the stage to which the gambling addiction has developed. And, of course, it also largely depends on the gambling addict himself and the characteristics of his psyche. You are right that if treatment by a psychologist is sufficient, then of course this is also an option to be cured. However, the stage of mental disorder caused by gambling addiction is already such a stage of the disease that sometimes requires isolation of the patient and drug treatment. In short, the methods of treatment and the appropriate specialists simply all depend on the stage of the disease the gambling addict patient is in.

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Quote from: Fortify on November 13, 2024, 02:44:10 AM

This has nothing to do with the actual gambling sites themselves and relies far too much on self control, which any addict will tell you is their major flaw. The answer to self exclusion from anonymous gambling sites is simple: if they truly are anonymous then they should never have access to any personal information and this would preclude them from being able to effectively ban you. In that case, the most they could do is place an IP ban on you, which they may be hesitant to do because it could restrict other legitimate users as many IPs are shared these days. It's simply not a solution or practical for the people you suggest.

I understand your view and proposition but no matter how you try to suggest a solution, there will always be flaws. Fine, they can't be able to exclude the addict if they are true to their anonymity, but I see the same flaw in placing an IP ban on the gambler. This is even the simplest of it all if the addict is using a dynamic IP. It is as simple in my country as just putting your data off and on, the IP automatically change to another.

But I like your additional view, who knows, another customer without issues living in the same country will soon be a victim of the IP ban, so it's pointless.

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Quote from: Cryptoprincess101 on November 28, 2024, 03:36:37 AM

Quote from: delfastTions on November 28, 2024, 02:43:20 AM

The main question here is how to tune your brain so that every time you remember about gambling and the pleasure you will get from it, especially when you win, your brain would give you a signal to stop these thoughts.
This is exactly the process with which most gamblers on the border with gambling addiction have great difficulties.

You are right here because the feeling that rings in the head of a gambler when they win can also be problematic when they lose because the emotions that are often attach to it is not a good one, so in order not to be caught between having the feelings of success and failure, it would be better to keep your mind neutral from your feelings when you win.

That makes them back to playing gambling because they want to repeat the winning feeling. They can actually prevent their minds thinking about that by remembering that gambling can not always give them winning. But if they already becomes addicted to gambling, that will not easy to prevents that because their minds can telling them to keep playing gambling. It needs to have a strong self control so they can use self exclude from gambling and prevents the bad things that can come anytime. That is why we must take care our minds neutral and not thinks to return to gambling.

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Quote from: delfastTions on November 28, 2024, 02:43:20 AM

The main question here is how to tune your brain so that every time you remember about gambling and the pleasure you will get from it, especially when you win, your brain would give you a signal to stop these thoughts.
This is exactly the process with which most gamblers on the border with gambling addiction have great difficulties.

You are right here because the feeling that rings in the head of a gambler when they win can also be problematic when they lose because the emotions that are often attach to it is not a good one, so in order not to be caught between having the feelings of success and failure, it would be better to keep your mind neutral from your feelings when you win.

Quote from: delfastTions on November 28, 2024, 02:43:20 AM

I think that doctors specializing in the treatment of gambling addiction should know how such a gambler can distract himself from these obsessive thoughts about the next game and the thrill he will get from the new game. Most likely, psychiatrists have a set of methods that can drown out such thoughts.
The only problem is that in psychiatry there are as many patients as there are unique situations that require treatment. This is a well-known problem and, of course, it also concerns gamblers at the stage of gambling addiction.

Addiction is very bad to one's mental health but subjecting a gambling addict to a psychiatrist is not a good idea unless for a person that have started acting abnormally as a result of gambling addiction. Being a gambling addict does not make someone become a victim of a mental situation but their activities after addiction is what would tell if they have gone beyond normal control or not. I think a therapist can handle cases of gambling addiction and not a psychiatrist.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on November 23, 2024, 02:09:48 PM

Quote from: delfastTions on November 11, 2024, 02:19:22 AM

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Quote from: Bushdark on November 08, 2024, 03:48:50 PM

Quote from: Dunamisx link=topic=5seld cintrol477008.msg64714741#msg64714741 date=1730999548

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Making use of your own common sense should really be that enough but the sad part or thing on here is that people do really get blinded up by their greed and thats why they cant think off already on what are the things that they must do. Its true that there are some experienced people who do really end up on having some issues or wrong actions because they do really just that let their emotions control them. Despite on having that experience on which they do really still ending up on doing some bad actions on which it causing up for them to lose money. In regarding about exclusions then this is something that not all sites will really be having that kind of feature on which you could be able to make yourself self exclude but somehow you could be able to make out some request in regarding into this stuff about exclusions but actually this is something that would be useless or pointless because you cant be still able to quit up because the thing on your mind is to gamble and this is something that must tbe stop beforehand.

People wont really be stopping on dealing up with gambling because of greed and high interest towards it or simply they are aiming for making money. On the time or moment that you dont have that kind of
realization then you would really be keeping on coming back on playing and this is something that you should be resolving out first so that you will not be able to keep on coming back on playing.
Exclusions and other things will be useless if you cant be able to have that control.

Of course, the main thing in any gambling game is what is going on in your head, including greed, emotions from the money earned or lost, the pleasure of the game, the adrenaline rush caused by it, and so on. This whole set of thoughts and feelings must be crossed out in order to learn to simply stop participating in any gambling games at all. This is definitely difficult and not every player can cope with it. Self-exclusion with the help of the casino itself, where it is certainly provided, in this whole complex of assistance to a player who has already become an addicted gambler, can be considered only a tiny step to help such a person. But a gigantic step is still some structuring of the complex of thoughts and emotions and setting it up to realize the need to stop all these emotions. Without this decision, a complete refusal of a real player from gambling is impossible in my opinion.

On the moment that you cant be able to control up that greed then this is the main reason on why you would really be that keeps on coming back because if you've seen yourself having some issues in regarding
about gambling and spending up too much on which on the moment that you do make out some realizations that you are spending that much then it will really be just that right that you should really be that
stopping for good. Make yourself set your mindset that you shouldnt really be that spending up even more and if possible you should be that avoiding on seeing or dealing up with some gambling sites
that could potentially trigger up yourself on playing again. If you do really mean out on quitting or stopping then you should really be sticking into it.

Self exclusions and other aspects will really be that totally useless if you are really that someone whose really that still wanting to play gambling despite of those losing conditions.
The time or moment that you've seen yourself having those main problem then it would really be that hard to combat addiction.

The main question here is how to tune your brain so that every time you remember about gambling and the pleasure you will get from it, especially when you win, your brain would give you a signal to stop these thoughts.
This is exactly the process with which most gamblers on the border with gambling addiction have great difficulties. I think that doctors specializing in the treatment of gambling addiction should know how such a gambler can distract himself from these obsessive thoughts about the next game and the thrill he will get from the new game. Most likely, psychiatrists have a set of methods that can drown out such thoughts.
The only problem is that in psychiatry there are as many patients as there are unique situations that require treatment. This is a well-known problem and, of course, it also concerns gamblers at the stage of gambling addiction.

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Quote from: delfastTions on November 11, 2024, 02:19:22 AM

Quote from: Lanatsa on November 09, 2024, 02:41:26 AM

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on November 08, 2024, 04:10:26 PM

Quote from: Bushdark on November 08, 2024, 03:48:50 PM

Quote from: Dunamisx link=topic=5seld cintrol477008.msg64714741#msg64714741 date=1730999548

In gambling, we have to be more sure of what we are doing, then we also have to make sure we avoid some affiliate links, third party site, ads and other promotional offers from unsolicited sites which we know nothing about, if we truly don't want to get ourself into some kind of trouble we may not have the fortitude of handling, lastly, we have to be mindful of the risk involved in them before any trial.

Many bad casinos are always advertising their sites promoting their enormous bonus rewards for new users and other stuffs to lure more gamblers to their platform. Those gamblers that don't have contentment and self control can fall for this kind of tricks. Every gamblers need to know what they want and know how to get them. It's not good for us to be greedy as gamblers since scammers know how to table their tricks to enable them lure innocent gamblers that might not understand the trick of the scam.

Scammers don't only get newbies gamblers as their victims, there are several og gambler who also foolishly fall victims to this Scammers due to their greed and lack of self control as you talked about, one common saying is that, if a thing or something appears to be too good to believe, then know that it's probably not a good something.

Scam casinos device various means with which they try to gain followerships and potential victims to their scam plot each and every day, and for one not to fall a victim, one must always strive to be ahead of them with at least, two steps forward, this makes the gambler to already know and recognize a scam when ever he or she sees one anywhere.

Making use of your own common sense should really be that enough but the sad part or thing on here is that people do really get blinded up by their greed and thats why they cant think off already on what are the things that they must do. Its true that there are some experienced people who do really end up on having some issues or wrong actions because they do really just that let their emotions control them. Despite on having that experience on which they do really still ending up on doing some bad actions on which it causing up for them to lose money. In regarding about exclusions then this is something that not all sites will really be having that kind of feature on which you could be able to make yourself self exclude but somehow you could be able to make out some request in regarding into this stuff about exclusions but actually this is something that would be useless or pointless because you cant be still able to quit up because the thing on your mind is to gamble and this is something that must tbe stop beforehand.

People wont really be stopping on dealing up with gambling because of greed and high interest towards it or simply they are aiming for making money. On the time or moment that you dont have that kind of
realization then you would really be keeping on coming back on playing and this is something that you should be resolving out first so that you will not be able to keep on coming back on playing.
Exclusions and other things will be useless if you cant be able to have that control.

Of course, the main thing in any gambling game is what is going on in your head, including greed, emotions from the money earned or lost, the pleasure of the game, the adrenaline rush caused by it, and so on. This whole set of thoughts and feelings must be crossed out in order to learn to simply stop participating in any gambling games at all. This is definitely difficult and not every player can cope with it. Self-exclusion with the help of the casino itself, where it is certainly provided, in this whole complex of assistance to a player who has already become an addicted gambler, can be considered only a tiny step to help such a person. But a gigantic step is still some structuring of the complex of thoughts and emotions and setting it up to realize the need to stop all these emotions. Without this decision, a complete refusal of a real player from gambling is impossible in my opinion.

On the moment that you cant be able to control up that greed then this is the main reason on why you would really be that keeps on coming back because if you've seen yourself having some issues in regarding
about gambling and spending up too much on which on the moment that you do make out some realizations that you are spending that much then it will really be just that right that you should really be that
stopping for good. Make yourself set your mindset that you shouldnt really be that spending up even more and if possible you should be that avoiding on seeing or dealing up with some gambling sites
that could potentially trigger up yourself on playing again. If you do really mean out on quitting or stopping then you should really be sticking into it.

Self exclusions and other aspects will really be that totally useless if you are really that someone whose really that still wanting to play gambling despite of those losing conditions.
The time or moment that you've seen yourself having those main problem then it would really be that hard to combat addiction.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on November 15, 2024, 02:39:09 PM

Quote from: DaNNy001 on November 15, 2024, 02:21:55 PM

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on November 08, 2024, 04:10:26 PM

Quote from: Bushdark on November 08, 2024, 03:48:50 PM

Quote from: Dunamisx link=topic=5seld cintrol477008.msg64714741#msg64714741 date=1730999548

~ snip ~

Scammers don't only get newbies gamblers as their victims, there are several og gambler who also foolishly fall victims to this Scammers due to their greed and lack of self control as you talked about, one common saying is that, if a thing or something appears to be too good to believe, then know that it's probably not a good something.

Scam casinos device various means with which they try to gain followerships and potential victims to their scam plot each and every day, and for one not to fall a victim, one must always strive to be ahead of them with at least, two steps forward, this makes the gambler to already know and recognize a scam when ever he or she sees one anywhere.

i think you probably said it all as so many gamblers both the veterans and also the newbies fall victims to these scams and its all tied to the fact that the whole set up is actually too good to be truth, i have seen crazy casino that offer promotions and game that are too easy to be real but yet some crazy gamblers still somehow make themselves to beleive this because their greed will always tell them in one way or the other the promises and offers are real. and just like you said its not only tied to newbie gamblers because greed doesnt hold just that set but everyone who actually open up to it and if paraventures the scammers get a pro in gambling then the effects is even way worse for them.

Yeah, I know this for a fact that a friend of mine was scammed off over $100,000 in early 2023, this is not gambling related but can be likened to it.
This dude has been in crypto since 2014 and already possess all the experiences an OG needs to be successful in this space, he had cryptos worth over $100,000 in his portfolio stored in one single wallet..

Around march in 2023, he got scammed and the scammer emptied his wallet, he said he saw an airdrop ad on Facebook, he click it and the site opened, it was written on the site that if one holds at least $200 worth of BNB, he or she could claim over $6000 worth of a token I can no longer remember it's name, and since he held lots of BNB, he connected his wallet to check his eligibility, he was eligible and proceeded to clicking the claim button, this was how his entire balance on that wallet withdrawn.

Like I said before, this is unrelated to gambling but better explains why I said that even OG gamblers can fall victim to scam due to their greed and lack of contentment.

By the way, such a large amount can already be the subject of a criminal case in the jurisdiction where such an operation with a phishing link was carried out.
I understand that fraudsters take advantage of the fact that cryptocurrency owners rarely advertise their savings in cryptocurrencies and do not often contact law enforcement agencies also because they believe that no one will help them. But when it comes to a fairly large amount, this is, in principle, an option for contacting law enforcement. Well, of course, if the former owner himself has legal grounds for receiving this cryptocurrency 10 or more years ago, when this money was regarded by everyone as toys and entertainment.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on November 15, 2024, 02:21:55 PM

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on November 08, 2024, 04:10:26 PM

Quote from: Bushdark on November 08, 2024, 03:48:50 PM

Quote from: Dunamisx link=topic=5seld cintrol477008.msg64714741#msg64714741 date=1730999548

In gambling, we have to be more sure of what we are doing, then we also have to make sure we avoid some affiliate links, third party site, ads and other promotional offers from unsolicited sites which we know nothing about, if we truly don't want to get ourself into some kind of trouble we may not have the fortitude of handling, lastly, we have to be mindful of the risk involved in them before any trial.

Many bad casinos are always advertising their sites promoting their enormous bonus rewards for new users and other stuffs to lure more gamblers to their platform. Those gamblers that don't have contentment and self control can fall for this kind of tricks. Every gamblers need to know what they want and know how to get them. It's not good for us to be greedy as gamblers since scammers know how to table their tricks to enable them lure innocent gamblers that might not understand the trick of the scam.

Scammers don't only get newbies gamblers as their victims, there are several og gambler who also foolishly fall victims to this Scammers due to their greed and lack of self control as you talked about, one common saying is that, if a thing or something appears to be too good to believe, then know that it's probably not a good something.

Scam casinos device various means with which they try to gain followerships and potential victims to their scam plot each and every day, and for one not to fall a victim, one must always strive to be ahead of them with at least, two steps forward, this makes the gambler to already know and recognize a scam when ever he or she sees one anywhere.

i think you probably said it all as so many gamblers both the veterans and also the newbies fall victims to these scams and its all tied to the fact that the whole set up is actually too good to be truth, i have seen crazy casino that offer promotions and game that are too easy to be real but yet some crazy gamblers still somehow make themselves to beleive this because their greed will always tell them in one way or the other the promises and offers are real. and just like you said its not only tied to newbie gamblers because greed doesnt hold just that set but everyone who actually open up to it and if paraventures the scammers get a pro in gambling then the effects is even way worse for them.

Yeah, I know this for a fact that a friend of mine was scammed off over $100,000 in early 2023, this is not gambling related but can be likened to it.
This dude has been in crypto since 2014 and already possess all the experiences an OG needs to be successful in this space, he had cryptos worth over $100,000 in his portfolio stored in one single wallet..

Around march in 2023, he got scammed and the scammer emptied his wallet, he said he saw an airdrop ad on Facebook, he click it and the site opened, it was written on the site that if one holds at least $200 worth of BNB, he or she could claim over $6000 worth of a token I can no longer remember it's name, and since he held lots of BNB, he connected his wallet to check his eligibility, he was eligible and proceeded to clicking the claim button, this was how his entire balance on that wallet withdrawn.

Like I said before, this is unrelated to gambling but better explains why I said that even OG gamblers can fall victim to scam due to their greed and lack of contentment.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on November 08, 2024, 04:10:26 PM

Quote from: Bushdark on November 08, 2024, 03:48:50 PM

Quote from: Dunamisx link=topic=5seld cintrol477008.msg64714741#msg64714741 date=1730999548

In gambling, we have to be more sure of what we are doing, then we also have to make sure we avoid some affiliate links, third party site, ads and other promotional offers from unsolicited sites which we know nothing about, if we truly don't want to get ourself into some kind of trouble we may not have the fortitude of handling, lastly, we have to be mindful of the risk involved in them before any trial.

Many bad casinos are always advertising their sites promoting their enormous bonus rewards for new users and other stuffs to lure more gamblers to their platform. Those gamblers that don't have contentment and self control can fall for this kind of tricks. Every gamblers need to know what they want and know how to get them. It's not good for us to be greedy as gamblers since scammers know how to table their tricks to enable them lure innocent gamblers that might not understand the trick of the scam.

Scammers don't only get newbies gamblers as their victims, there are several og gambler who also foolishly fall victims to this Scammers due to their greed and lack of self control as you talked about, one common saying is that, if a thing or something appears to be too good to believe, then know that it's probably not a good something.

Scam casinos device various means with which they try to gain followerships and potential victims to their scam plot each and every day, and for one not to fall a victim, one must always strive to be ahead of them with at least, two steps forward, this makes the gambler to already know and recognize a scam when ever he or she sees one anywhere.

i think you probably said it all as so many gamblers both the veterans and also the newbies fall victims to these scams and its all tied to the fact that the whole set up is actually too good to be truth, i have seen crazy casino that offer promotions and game that are too easy to be real but yet some crazy gamblers still somehow make themselves to beleive this because their greed will always tell them in one way or the other the promises and offers are real. and just like you said its not only tied to newbie gamblers because greed doesnt hold just that set but everyone who actually open up to it and if paraventures the scammers get a pro in gambling then the effects is even way worse for them.

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I don't find it easy anymore self excluding ourselves from gambling through the means of using a woman to keep the funds and not provide it when we needed it maybe to gamble. This is a weak way to self exclude yourself from gambling in case anyone thinks of this alternative which could look like it's going to work. Although we are different entities and the level of gambling addiction we have differs so if this eventually works for Mr A, I don't think the same approach will work for Mr B. Gambling is much more different from what we are seeing now and we should endeavor to look for strick measures to help anyone that want to leave gambling and stay out of any gambling activities for as long as possible.

Giving your money to your near & dear ones and even your wife isn't a nice idea. I would bet with my money rather than giving control of my money in anyone's hand. There are number of examples where people give loan to others or keep their money save with other people and when they need it, those people refuse to give back and make excuses.

The best way for the gambler is to become strong emotionally and mentally that you can stop yourself from spending more funds in gambling and should know how to safe guard your money while gambling. This will only be possible if you know the risk involved in gambling and how to control minimize them.

You are very correct and instead of any gambler to act in a weak way by giving their spouse money to hold for them and use part of it to run the house expenses, it is better for us to just keep to the money to ourselves and try to fix the shit that is hooking our neck. Gambling is not an activity that supposed to make decision for us by controlling our income. Discipline is very important as gamblers so that we don't keep doing the wrong thing while trying to make money. Self control is the problem here and that is why many gamblers will keep having problems on how to gamble and when they are supposed to gamble and when not. We ought to be disciplined so that we don't keep making some stupid decisions that will hurt us in the near future.

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I think that gambling is like the internet today. You cant just dont use it, live or dont hear it. For example you can switch to a much more simple mobile and cancel all kind of internet contracts. But whenever you go, you will face people using internet, you see web site all around, social media and etc. Even on tv we see internet related context. Similar is with self exclusion from gambling sites. Gambler might exclude from one, most popular or everywhere he is registered. Try to get excluded from all offline casinos in town. But there always be abroad offline casinos, people who gamble around. Persons attention and thoughts will still be connected with gambling.

If you actually understand you correctly, then I will have to disagree with you.
For even with all the noise in this world, it's still very possible to live a quiet life by finding a quiet place to live in.

Yes, the world is developing and changing rapidly, what never used to be a thing in the past is fast becoming things that most people can hardly do without, but understand that you are not most people by the way, you are you and I am me, you do what you want to do and I do what I want to do, it's total lack of self discipline to allow what others are doing influence you.

If you decide not to gamble anymore, and you step out there to find people gambling, and because of that, you decide to go into gambling again, then you lack complete self control and discipline, and it's not something to be proud of.

If person has developed self control and discipline skills, then he does not need to self exclude himself from casinos nor bother about gambling. But the idea of my post following, no matter how person try to limit, exclude or hide from gambling, it is close to impossible. Why people want to self exclude themselves from gambling or need such option? Because they are weak at self control, discipline and easy to get hooked by gambling. Only living in complete vacuum can help them to hide from gambling. Because no matter what they do, gambling will find them in form of ads online or offline, noticing casinos around, people talks and etc. Even finding a quite place isnt a safe place, because eventually someone will share some news or, for example, when bored, will offer a game of cards.

And all these processes and conversations in the immediate environment in any case put pressure on the player's brain and constantly remind him of the thrill he experienced earlier, playing gambling.
And even more, the human brain is a riddle of riddles. After all, you all know that sometimes the thought of gambling pops up in the brain like a spark and you feel good from the realization that you can play again when there is such an opportunity.
That is, sometimes you don't even need reminders from other people or advertising, so that gambling would float in your memory.
Well, that's how our psyche works.

That is why my suggestion is to train, learn, visit some classes or other activities, to change vision on gambling. Try to change it from "cant help myself not to gamble", "can not stop gambling" into "it is just an action for entertainment" or something like that. Because all those pauses, exclusion, giving an oath that a person will no longer gambler does not really work. This is not a solution to a problem, this is only a postpone of a problem.

Exactly!
This postpones the problems that can be caused by too much passion for gambling. And what you suggest can probably be considered substitution psychological therapy. It really works. It just changes the course of the thought process and the flow of thoughts about gambling becomes smaller and appears in the head less often. And here the time factor is important because the brain is not able to quickly switch, for example, to the thought that gambling for you is just entertainment and nothing more. But the direction of correcting thoughts is correct in this case. And especially if the player is close to the border of gambling addiction.

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In gambling, we have to be more sure of what we are doing, then we also have to make sure we avoid some affiliate links, third party site, ads and other promotional offers from unsolicited sites which we know nothing about, if we truly don't want to get ourself into some kind of trouble we may not have the fortitude of handling, lastly, we have to be mindful of the risk involved in them before any trial.

Many bad casinos are always advertising their sites promoting their enormous bonus rewards for new users and other stuffs to lure more gamblers to their platform. Those gamblers that don't have contentment and self control can fall for this kind of tricks. Every gamblers need to know what they want and know how to get them. It's not good for us to be greedy as gamblers since scammers know how to table their tricks to enable them lure innocent gamblers that might not understand the trick of the scam.

Scammers don't only get newbies gamblers as their victims, there are several og gambler who also foolishly fall victims to this Scammers due to their greed and lack of self control as you talked about, one common saying is that, if a thing or something appears to be too good to believe, then know that it's probably not a good something.

I align with you, and just like what I recently replied to, these scammers continue to use almost the same style but people unfortunately fall victim regardless. This can only show how gullible and desperate for money they are, otherwise, anything that is too good to be true should have been avoided in this desperate age that everyone is now selfish.

It gets worse to the point that some scammers would pretend as if they wanted to solve your problem as we also see on this thread, but in the end, if you deposit your money, it is all gone. This calls for more smartness and vigilance, nothing centralised is to be trusted 100%, but at least if we are dealing with such, a reputable one is important.

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Quote from: bakasabo on November 11, 2024, 03:34:00 AM

I think that gambling is like the internet today. You cant just dont use it, live or dont hear it. For example you can switch to a much more simple mobile and cancel all kind of internet contracts. But whenever you go, you will face people using internet, you see web site all around, social media and etc. Even on tv we see internet related context. Similar is with self exclusion from gambling sites. Gambler might exclude from one, most popular or everywhere he is registered. Try to get excluded from all offline casinos in town. But there always be abroad offline casinos, people who gamble around. Persons attention and thoughts will still be connected with gambling.

If you actually understand you correctly, then I will have to disagree with you.
For even with all the noise in this world, it's still very possible to live a quiet life by finding a quiet place to live in.

Yes, the world is developing and changing rapidly, what never used to be a thing in the past is fast becoming things that most people can hardly do without, but understand that you are not most people by the way, you are you and I am me, you do what you want to do and I do what I want to do, it's total lack of self discipline to allow what others are doing influence you.

If you decide not to gamble anymore, and you step out there to find people gambling, and because of that, you decide to go into gambling again, then you lack complete self control and discipline, and it's not something to be proud of.

If person has developed self control and discipline skills, then he does not need to self exclude himself from casinos nor bother about gambling. But the idea of my post following, no matter how person try to limit, exclude or hide from gambling, it is close to impossible. Why people want to self exclude themselves from gambling or need such option? Because they are weak at self control, discipline and easy to get hooked by gambling. Only living in complete vacuum can help them to hide from gambling. Because no matter what they do, gambling will find them in form of ads online or offline, noticing casinos around, people talks and etc. Even finding a quite place isnt a safe place, because eventually someone will share some news or, for example, when bored, will offer a game of cards.

And all these processes and conversations in the immediate environment in any case put pressure on the player's brain and constantly remind him of the thrill he experienced earlier, playing gambling.
And even more, the human brain is a riddle of riddles. After all, you all know that sometimes the thought of gambling pops up in the brain like a spark and you feel good from the realization that you can play again when there is such an opportunity.
That is, sometimes you don't even need reminders from other people or advertising, so that gambling would float in your memory.
Well, that's how our psyche works.

That is why my suggestion is to train, learn, visit some classes or other activities, to change vision on gambling. Try to change it from "cant help myself not to gamble", "can not stop gambling" into "it is just an action for entertainment" or something like that. Because all those pauses, exclusion, giving an oath that a person will no longer gambler does not really work. This is not a solution to a problem, this is only a postpone of a problem.

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You can watch this video from 07:20 if you want to skip on the other parts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxty2XhTwVI

Basically it's very simple.

You take a currency that requires 21 days for staking/unstaking, then you deposit this amount in Atomic Wallet, stake it and then you can't gamble with the crypto you're holding.

The locking (staking) is done with one single click of a button, and it's practically speaking, equivalent to activation of self-exclusion on an online gambling site with a click of a button (and yet not all sites offer it unfortunately).

For example, you stake (lock) $200 of your crypto, and that's all crypto available for you - then you can't play/gamble/risk it for at least 21 days ... do it 15 times a year time after time, and you would be excluded for a long time.

The only drawback with this method is Atomic doesn't offer this on USDT so some "gamblers" might not like this idea because they trust stablecoins more than other crypto coins, but this is FYI.

This has nothing to do with the actual gambling sites themselves and relies far too much on self control, which any addict will tell you is their major flaw. The answer to self exclusion from anonymous gambling sites is simple: if they truly are anonymous then they should never have access to any personal information and this would preclude them from being able to effectively ban you. In that case, the most they could do is place an IP ban on you, which they may be hesitant to do because it could restrict other legitimate users as many IPs are shared these days. It's simply not a solution or practical for the people you suggest.

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Quote from: bakasabo on November 12, 2024, 03:53:08 AM

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on November 11, 2024, 10:47:17 AM

Quote from: bakasabo on November 11, 2024, 03:34:00 AM

I think that gambling is like the internet today. You cant just dont use it, live or dont hear it. For example you can switch to a much more simple mobile and cancel all kind of internet contracts. But whenever you go, you will face people using internet, you see web site all around, social media and etc. Even on tv we see internet related context. Similar is with self exclusion from gambling sites. Gambler might exclude from one, most popular or everywhere he is registered. Try to get excluded from all offline casinos in town. But there always be abroad offline casinos, people who gamble around. Persons attention and thoughts will still be connected with gambling.

If you actually understand you correctly, then I will have to disagree with you.
For even with all the noise in this world, it's still very possible to live a quiet life by finding a quiet place to live in.

Yes, the world is developing and changing rapidly, what never used to be a thing in the past is fast becoming things that most people can hardly do without, but understand that you are not most people by the way, you are you and I am me, you do what you want to do and I do what I want to do, it's total lack of self discipline to allow what others are doing influence you.

If you decide not to gamble anymore, and you step out there to find people gambling, and because of that, you decide to go into gambling again, then you lack complete self control and discipline, and it's not something to be proud of.

If person has developed self control and discipline skills, then he does not need to self exclude himself from casinos nor bother about gambling. But the idea of my post following, no matter how person try to limit, exclude or hide from gambling, it is close to impossible. Why people want to self exclude themselves from gambling or need such option? Because they are weak at self control, discipline and easy to get hooked by gambling. Only living in complete vacuum can help them to hide from gambling. Because no matter what they do, gambling will find them in form of ads online or offline, noticing casinos around, people talks and etc. Even finding a quite place isnt a safe place, because eventually someone will share some news or, for example, when bored, will offer a game of cards.

And all these processes and conversations in the immediate environment in any case put pressure on the player's brain and constantly remind him of the thrill he experienced earlier, playing gambling.
And even more, the human brain is a riddle of riddles. After all, you all know that sometimes the thought of gambling pops up in the brain like a spark and you feel good from the realization that you can play again when there is such an opportunity.
That is, sometimes you don't even need reminders from other people or advertising, so that gambling would float in your memory.
Well, that's how our psyche works.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on November 11, 2024, 10:47:17 AM

Quote from: bakasabo on November 11, 2024, 03:34:00 AM

I think that gambling is like the internet today. You cant just dont use it, live or dont hear it. For example you can switch to a much more simple mobile and cancel all kind of internet contracts. But whenever you go, you will face people using internet, you see web site all around, social media and etc. Even on tv we see internet related context. Similar is with self exclusion from gambling sites. Gambler might exclude from one, most popular or everywhere he is registered. Try to get excluded from all offline casinos in town. But there always be abroad offline casinos, people who gamble around. Persons attention and thoughts will still be connected with gambling.

If you actually understand you correctly, then I will have to disagree with you.
For even with all the noise in this world, it's still very possible to live a quiet life by finding a quiet place to live in.

Yes, the world is developing and changing rapidly, what never used to be a thing in the past is fast becoming things that most people can hardly do without, but understand that you are not most people by the way, you are you and I am me, you do what you want to do and I do what I want to do, it's total lack of self discipline to allow what others are doing influence you.

If you decide not to gamble anymore, and you step out there to find people gambling, and because of that, you decide to go into gambling again, then you lack complete self control and discipline, and it's not something to be proud of.

If person has developed self control and discipline skills, then he does not need to self exclude himself from casinos nor bother about gambling. But the idea of my post following, no matter how person try to limit, exclude or hide from gambling, it is close to impossible. Why people want to self exclude themselves from gambling or need such option? Because they are weak at self control, discipline and easy to get hooked by gambling. Only living in complete vacuum can help them to hide from gambling. Because no matter what they do, gambling will find them in form of ads online or offline, noticing casinos around, people talks and etc. Even finding a quite place isnt a safe place, because eventually someone will share some news or, for example, when bored, will offer a game of cards.

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