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Quote from: joniboini on May 08, 2024, 12:19:35 PM

Quote from: Bitinity on May 08, 2024, 02:15:47 AM

Even if such thing exist, I have no idea how the casino consider players as addicted because I think it is hard thing to know. Casino may notice a behavior change of the player indeed based on the deposit/wager activity but I dont think casino will close the account immediately one the casino notice it.

I don't recall seeing other businesses do something similar to that too. An exchange for example won't suddenly close your account just because you made a ton of deposits, maybe they will ask for KYC but they sure as hell love more deposits from us. Trying to be a police for something else is just a waste of time for them IMO. Unless the law specifically asks them to do so, they won't do anything about it. They have no moral obligation to do that anyway, and the players need to look after themselves to begin with.

Closing it out directly without users consent is really something that ethical on doing so considering that it would really be that a scammy behavior. Why would the hell they would really be closing out on users account just because of tending not to make more deposits? Its true that they do really love it instead on which we know that gamblers are mostly losers on which means that they are really indeed making money into those businesses and they would really be preferring on someone to continue to play until the very last drop and this is something that would be having no sense that they will really be locking it out without any consent or awareness of a certain gambler not unless if there would really be some sort of request then they might be able to grant it out but if there's none then why would the heck they would be doing it.
Business is business and doesnt matter onw what are the life conditions that you do have which they dont really care at all.

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Quote from: Bitinity on May 08, 2024, 02:15:47 AM

Even if such thing exist, I have no idea how the casino consider players as addicted because I think it is hard thing to know. Casino may notice a behavior change of the player indeed based on the deposit/wager activity but I dont think casino will close the account immediately one the casino notice it.

I don't recall seeing other businesses do something similar to that too. An exchange for example won't suddenly close your account just because you made a ton of deposits, maybe they will ask for KYC but they sure as hell love more deposits from us. Trying to be a police for something else is just a waste of time for them IMO. Unless the law specifically asks them to do so, they won't do anything about it. They have no moral obligation to do that anyway, and the players need to look after themselves to begin with.

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Quote from: Russlenat on May 04, 2024, 01:54:38 AM

Quote from: khaled0111 on May 03, 2024, 05:59:42 PM

Besides, even if you don't request to be excluded, casino owners still can close your account when they notice any signs of addiction.
This has nothing yo do with being a "man" or not.

Seriously, this thing exist? How can they actually notice any signs of addiction when they didn't see the gambler in personal, so they cannot evaluate, and besides, even if they notice a gambler to be addicted, they have no right to stop a gambler as long as he has money to play and he isn't violating the TOS.

I heard that some casinos stop gamblers when they are winning too much, but never heard a casino stop a gambler because he is losing too much. Grin

As I said before, I have never heard casino that close player's account because the casino notice that there is a sign of addiction. Even if such thing exist, I have no idea how the casino consider players as addicted because I think it is hard thing to know. Casino may notice a behavior change of the player indeed based on the deposit/wager activity but I dont think casino will close the account immediately one the casino notice it. As they are business, they will be happy if their players play more than before but some casinos may notify their players about their gambling activity. Stake for example, I heard that some players get notification email once the player reach a specific amount of deposit within a month although the players do not set a limit.

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Quote from: Hamphser on May 06, 2024, 04:59:43 PM

We do know that on the time that they would really become that addicted then this is the time that they would really be making that huge spending and that means that it is really that a huge money for them. Just like on what i have said earlier that they wont really be making that much focus or attention on offering out that exclusion because they do really prefer for their users to be that addicted.

Eh, I don't think the market is that bleak. I mean, if every customer is addicted, they can also lose a lot of money because most of the time gambling addicts have no money to spend. Having a steady income or a healthy amount of customers is what they need. Obviously, there are also business who don't give a damn about that and what as much money in the shortest amount of time as possible. I think this is true regardless of what kind of business you're looking at. A company will use that to their advantage if there's no law to prevent any abuse.

Quote from: Russlenat on May 05, 2024, 01:46:44 AM

Is there any way you can proved this like citing a certain law that requires a casino to have this "self exclusion" feature under their platform? I explored some casinos and I didn't see a lot of them have that, and most of them is under the same regulator, so I'm quite curious about this one because I felt the government doesn't really put weight into making this one a mandatory thing.

Have you tried to search with a keyword like "Curacao self-exclusion law" or something similar? Replace Curacao with the license that your casino has. I managed to find a few articles talking about the rights of self-exclude doing that.

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For example, you stake (lock) $200 of your crypto, and that's all crypto available for you - then you can't play/gamble/risk it for at least 21 days ... do it 15 times a year time after time, and you would be excluded for a long time.

This is one very important idea to even prevent compulsive gambling attitudes. I if a gambler has a very bad attitude or lifestyle that they are living because of gambling and they are at the point where they can no longer control their money for good utilization except they put everything in gambling and loss it at once, they can practice this lock staking investment and it will help them not to have access to the money and they will not gamble so compulsively again. I love the idea but I don't like atomic wallet, so people said it is not too safe to use.

This is more likely to delay the problem than to solve it. If a player already has problems managing his gambling expenses, he definitely needs to turn to specialists who will help him get rid of his gambling addiction.Ultimately, the safety deposit will be lost or the player will go into debt to win back what he lost because he is unaware that he has a small safety deposit.

The games in the casinos are one of the things that we can generate to earn some money when we know how to play, but a person who has fallen into addiction and does not want to fall again, because sometimes they make the decision to exclude themselves, the players who enter and then are afraid of falling into addiction, it is not bad that they exclude themselves but Without leaving money in a casino, because it is very bad that they could be having it like this because it affects their entire family, and the same person, this is something that we We have to see whenever we are playing, it is very easy to fall into addiction but very difficult to Overcome it , I have never fallen into addiction but if it can be avoided you can do these types of things.

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Quote from: Mrbluntzy on May 03, 2024, 09:52:29 AM

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For example, you stake (lock) $200 of your crypto, and that's all crypto available for you - then you can't play/gamble/risk it for at least 21 days ... do it 15 times a year time after time, and you would be excluded for a long time.

This is one very important idea to even prevent compulsive gambling attitudes. I if a gambler has a very bad attitude or lifestyle that they are living because of gambling and they are at the point where they can no longer control their money for good utilization except they put everything in gambling and loss it at once, they can practice this lock staking investment and it will help them not to have access to the money and they will not gamble so compulsively again. I love the idea but I don't like atomic wallet, so people said it is not too safe to use.

This is more likely to delay the problem than to solve it. If a player already has problems managing his gambling expenses, he definitely needs to turn to specialists who will help him get rid of his gambling addiction.Ultimately, the safety deposit will be lost or the player will go into debt to win back what he lost because he is unaware that he has a small safety deposit.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on May 05, 2024, 06:16:28 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on May 05, 2024, 01:46:44 AM

Seriously it's law requires them? Is there any way you can proved this like citing a certain law that requires a casino to have this "self exclusion" feature under their platform? I explored some casinos and I didn't see a lot of them have that

Most if not all license providers take responsible gambling seriously and they have set many policies and terms to prevent gambling addiction. Licensed casinos have to comply with those terms and execute the policies.
Anyways, even if they aren't obliged to do so, they must do it out of respect for their customers. It's true that gambling is a for-profit business but casinos shouldn't be making profit at the expense of gambling addicts' misery.

Respect? I dont think so. It might be that a total lie but they are more preferring that most of them would really be that becoming too addicted. Grin

We do know that on the time that they would really become that addicted then this is the time that they would really be making that huge spending and that means that it is really that a huge money for them. Just like on what i have said earlier that they wont really be making that much focus or attention on offering out that exclusion because they do really prefer for their users to be that addicted. Rules and terms doesnt mind much in this regard because it is really on someones choice
on why they would really be playing up even more with gambling and having that problem when it comes on the time that they would really be stopping.

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Quote from: Russlenat on May 05, 2024, 01:46:44 AM

Seriously it's law requires them? Is there any way you can proved this like citing a certain law that requires a casino to have this "self exclusion" feature under their platform? I explored some casinos and I didn't see a lot of them have that

Most if not all license providers take responsible gambling seriously and they have set many policies and terms to prevent gambling addiction. Licensed casinos have to comply with those terms and execute the policies.
Anyways, even if they aren't obliged to do so, they must do it out of respect for their customers. It's true that gambling is a for-profit business but casinos shouldn't be making profit at the expense of gambling addicts' misery.

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Quote from: Russlenat on May 05, 2024, 01:46:44 AM

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That option doesn't hurt though, and casinos are required by law to have it. Obviously it isn't the key issue, but it sends a signal, and that signal is it's ok to seek help, that addiction might not be under your control. It isn't as much as your control as a message it says. Of course you can go around that, and it would be pretty draconian if you couldn't. People are pretty free to do what ever they want, and if they don't want to heal from addiction, no one can fix those problems for us, or stop us really. They can just help. Decision to get fixed comes from ourselves.

Seriously it's law requires them? Is there any way you can proved this like citing a certain law that requires a casino to have this "self exclusion" feature under their platform? I explored some casinos and I didn't see a lot of them have that, and most of them is under the same regulator, so I'm quite curious about this one because I felt the government doesn't really put weight into making this one a mandatory thing.

What casinos were these?

I don't think i can find that in a sentence, as it's not like they have to specifically offer only "self exclusion", as laws are different all over the world, but many countries have similar customer protection laws, and option for voluntary self exclusion is widely accepted in different countries as a law. And if these casinos want to serve users from these countries legally, they have to comply with their laws and offer same customer protection that they require.

You can google self exclusion or restriction program / act / law and find lots of data. I am not going to list everything i find, it would take ages

https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2016/title-5/section-5-12-71
https://www.liquorandgaming.nsw.gov.au/community-and-stakeholders/community-support/self-exclusion-from-the-casino-and-gaming-venues/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-exclusion

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Quote from: o48o on May 04, 2024, 01:01:12 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on May 04, 2024, 02:54:31 AM

Of course, but I was just sharing my opinion that I don't need that kind of feature if I really want to get out from addiction
It's not easy to get out, I tell you, I have been addicted before but I didn't fix my problem alone, it was my family who help me along the way, not a casino because I know even if I use that I could still lie to myself and just gamble in a different casino.
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That option doesn't hurt though, and casinos are required by law to have it. Obviously it isn't the key issue, but it sends a signal, and that signal is it's ok to seek help, that addiction might not be under your control. It isn't as much as your control as a message it says. Of course you can go around that, and it would be pretty draconian if you couldn't. People are pretty free to do what ever they want, and if they don't want to heal from addiction, no one can fix those problems for us, or stop us really. They can just help. Decision to get fixed comes from ourselves.

Seriously it's law requires them? Is there any way you can proved this like citing a certain law that requires a casino to have this "self exclusion" feature under their platform? I explored some casinos and I didn't see a lot of them have that, and most of them is under the same regulator, so I'm quite curious about this one because I felt the government doesn't really put weight into making this one a mandatory thing.

Quote from: o48o on May 04, 2024, 01:01:12 PM

But congratz for getting your addiction in order. It usually takes family or other people in close circle, especially if we are in debt.

Thanks mate, just sharing how I resolve my gambling addiction, and it was really because of my family, without them I can't imagine where I am now. So I suggest that we should not be ashame of our situation now, seek help when necessary, besides your family is the best people you can turn to when you are in trouble.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on May 04, 2024, 11:48:22 AM

This is an important point, if we leave money on a platform, be it a casino, an exchange, even if it is ours, it is not ours, a private key is not managed, it is at the expense of what may happen on that platform. So, what? if the platform suffers a hack? How is it done there? How can it be done so that we are well? Will we have security? We have seen cases where there are exchange houses that close them when they are hacked, and casinos that close them when they are hacked, that is why I recommend being more jealous with our money and not leaving it anywhere, if we want to control the Addiction. It's simple, set a spending limit only for the casino, otherwise there is no need to risk more to implement this strategy, you must have a lot of Discipline.

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Quote from: Russlenat on May 04, 2024, 02:54:31 AM

Of course, but I was just sharing my opinion that I don't need that kind of feature if I really want to get out from addiction
It's not easy to get out, I tell you, I have been addicted before but I didn't fix my problem alone, it was my family who help me along the way, not a casino because I know even if I use that I could still lie to myself and just gamble in a different casino.
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That option doesn't hurt though, and casinos are required by law to have it. Obviously it isn't the key issue, but it sends a signal, and that signal is it's ok to seek help, that addiction might not be under your control. It isn't as much as your control as a message it says. Of course you can go around that, and it would be pretty draconian if you couldn't. People are pretty free to do what ever they want, and if they don't want to heal from addiction, no one can fix those problems for us, or stop us really. They can just help. Decision to get fixed comes from ourselves.

But congratz for getting your addiction in order. It usually takes family or other people in close circle, especially if we are in debt.

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Quote from: Mrbluntzy on May 03, 2024, 09:52:29 AM

Quote from: Get-Paid.com on December 08, 2023, 02:36:04 AM

For example, you stake (lock) $200 of your crypto, and that's all crypto available for you - then you can't play/gamble/risk it for at least 21 days ... do it 15 times a year time after time, and you would be excluded for a long time.

This is one very important idea to even prevent compulsive gambling attitudes. I if a gambler has a very bad attitude or lifestyle that they are living because of gambling and they are at the point where they can no longer control their money for good utilization except they put everything in gambling and loss it at once, they can practice this lock staking investment and it will help them not to have access to the money and they will not gamble so compulsively again. I love the idea but I don't like atomic wallet, so people said it is not too safe to use.

Please, do not like the idea, the risk is too high and you do not get to achieve the full benefits intended, it will never solve the problem. Fine, it looks good to you because you never thought it through because locking your money at this time doesn't mean you will not get another money elsewhere to gamble. Think of it, after locking the money, the 21 days lapsed and more money was delivered into your hands (capital + gain), can you guarantee you can't gamble with the whole money after the 21 days have passed? If you say yes, then you are not yet addicted, you might only have the feelings of it.

Those who are truly addicted will not even wait for that 21 days before they use other available means to gamble, and the money locked away must have been totally spent on gambling even before its maturity date through loans and other borrowing means like from friends and family. The best way to solve the addiction problem is to be psychological about it and the moment you win it through that means, you will be truly cured. Also, what was advocated by the OP is risky, what if something bad happened to the website/platform and the whole money was gone just like that? This is not the risk I am willing to take on something that is not so effective and well-known.

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Quote from: bitterguy28 on May 04, 2024, 02:11:02 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on May 01, 2024, 09:21:54 AM

Dude, I'm just stating reality. Why should we rely on a casino to control our addiction? It's not their job; their job is to entertain us, and we pay to play. This is very simple; it doesn't require a lot of explanation for a mature mind to understand the risks of gambling.

Help comes from everywhere mate so I think its normal for others to rely in casino helping them out of addiction because self exclusion is one thing that can at least lessen their chance of losing or playing more.

Of course, but I was just sharing my opinion that I don't need that kind of feature if I really want to get out from addiction
It's not easy to get out, I tell you, I have been addicted before but I didn't fix my problem alone, it was my family who help me along the way, not a casino because I know even if I use that I could still lie to myself and just gamble in a different casino.

When you guys self exclude yourself does you freeze your funds to the casino as well?

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Quote from: Russlenat on May 01, 2024, 09:21:54 AM

Dude, I'm just stating reality. Why should we rely on a casino to control our addiction? It's not their job; their job is to entertain us, and we pay to play. This is very simple; it doesn't require a lot of explanation for a mature mind to understand the risks of gambling.

Help comes from everywhere mate so I think its normal for others to rely in casino helping them out of addiction because self exclusion is one thing that can at least lessen their chance of losing or playing more.

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When you sign up at a casino, you are asked if you are 18+ and probably some casinos explain the risks. Once you "agree" to all the terms, that means you understand the rules and the risks of gambling. So, if you lose, the casino wouldn't tell you to stop because they think that, since you are mature enough and you understand the risks, they presume that you are gambling responsibly. However, the words "gambling responsibility" is not measured based on the amount of money you risk and lose as every gambler have different financial status in life.

Let's wake up, we are in a dangerous world. Yes, a casino may have a self-exclusion feature, but it still depends on how we will use it because, as mentioned, one can easily create an account at another casino to continue their gambling addiction.

In short, if you have a gambling addiction, don't expect the casino to help you. It's only you or the people who truly care for you who could help.

but also you are correct ,w e must only engage in things that we can control and that is what gambling can ruin our life .

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Quote from: khaled0111 on May 03, 2024, 05:59:42 PM

Besides, even if you don't request to be excluded, casino owners still can close your account when they notice any signs of addiction.
This has nothing yo do with being a "man" or not.

Seriously, this thing exist? How can they actually notice any signs of addiction when they didn't see the gambler in personal, so they cannot evaluate, and besides, even if they notice a gambler to be addicted, they have no right to stop a gambler as long as he has money to play and he isn't violating the TOS.

I heard that some casinos stop gamblers when they are winning too much, but never heard a casino stop a gambler because he is losing too much. Grin

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Quote from: khaled0111 on May 03, 2024, 05:59:42 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on May 02, 2024, 09:41:22 PM

It's just me though, I feel like I'm not a real man if a casino offers me to self exclude because they feel I am addicted to gambling, no... what I would do, I have money to gamble, if I lose everything I just say I'll give you and you win, that's how a man think and when gambling, we need to be a man.

Self exclude is fine, but like I mentioned, we don't need them if we are a man.

You definitely need to change this mindset!
An addict needs all the help he can get even if it comes from the casino. Besides, even if you don't request to be excluded, casino owners still can close your account when they notice any signs of addiction.
This has nothing yo do with being a "man" or not.

Frankly, I have to agree with his opinion because it is always better if we rely on ourselves than relying on the casino (self-exclusion system). Nothing wrong with his mindset imo so he does not need to change it, I'll even suggest him to keep his mindset. Also, I have never heard casino that close their player's accounts because the casino noticed that their players are addicted. Of course I have to agree that addict needs all possible help including from the casino, but if we talk about anonymous casino where there is no possible way to get help from the casino (no self-exclusion system) then addicts has no other option except to help themselves.

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Quote from: Russlenat on May 02, 2024, 09:41:22 PM

It's just me though, I feel like I'm not a real man if a casino offers me to self exclude because they feel I am addicted to gambling, no... what I would do, I have money to gamble, if I lose everything I just say I'll give you and you win, that's how a man think and when gambling, we need to be a man.

Self exclude is fine, but like I mentioned, we don't need them if we are a man.

You definitely need to change this mindset!
An addict needs all the help he can get even if it comes from the casino. Besides, even if you don't request to be excluded, casino owners still can close your account when they notice any signs of addiction.
This has nothing yo do with being a "man" or not.

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Quote from: Mrbluntzy on May 03, 2024, 09:52:29 AM

Quote from: Get-Paid.com on December 08, 2023, 02:36:04 AM

For example, you stake (lock) $200 of your crypto, and that's all crypto available for you - then you can't play/gamble/risk it for at least 21 days ... do it 15 times a year time after time, and you would be excluded for a long time.

This is one very important idea to even prevent compulsive gambling attitudes. I if a gambler has a very bad attitude or lifestyle that they are living because of gambling and they are at the point where they can no longer control their money for good utilization except they put everything in gambling and loss it at once, they can practice this lock staking investment and it will help them not to have access to the money and they will not gamble so compulsively again. I love the idea but I don't like atomic wallet, so people said it is not too safe to use.

It's a good idea I also think, but then won't be effective in the long run if you ask me, one can actually stake all their crypto quite alright, but doing that is also another risk on its own, why? Because crypto currencies are very volatile sometimes, and to always be at a position where we can be able to use those volatility to our advantage, it's important for us to always keep some crypto in our wallet which we can sell when the price overly climbs too high, to buy more back when the price returns back to the normal levels again. We discover that a compulsive gambler may not still be able to keep this crypto to use it for the purpose it is kept even after having staked some, so in the end, he or she still have to find a natural solution to his or her problem.

And on the other hand again, if the gambler is a person that earns money daily weekly or bi-weekly, you discover that staking won't still help since the player can stake the cryptocurrency he has earned in previous times, but will still use the ones he or she is earning presently to fuel his or her gambling urge.
So to me, this is not really a solution that will work all the time, and for all gamblers.

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Quote from: Mrbluntzy on May 03, 2024, 09:52:29 AM

Quote from: Get-Paid.com on December 08, 2023, 02:36:04 AM

For example, you stake (lock) $200 of your crypto, and that's all crypto available for you - then you can't play/gamble/risk it for at least 21 days ... do it 15 times a year time after time, and you would be excluded for a long time.

This is one very important idea to even prevent compulsive gambling attitudes. I if a gambler has a very bad attitude or lifestyle that they are living because of gambling and they are at the point where they can no longer control their money for good utilization except they put everything in gambling and loss it at once, they can practice this lock staking investment and it will help them not to have access to the money and they will not gamble so compulsively again. I love the idea but I don't like atomic wallet, so people said it is not too safe to use.

Blocking the balance is a good option, although I honestly would not do it, it is easier to establish an amount to have a game session , that is, if we play we have to have enough to play in each game session 20usd of game, if I spend it ready , I don't bet more, I don't deposit more, why if we block 200usd and we need those 200usd for a possible or eventual emergency? How do we do it? I think that when blocking is blocking, it is useless to have money there in the casino, we must remember that our money is when we have the private keys of our money, the money is not ours but rather the platform's, many times here in the forum it has been talked about that, that's why I don't recommend that Strategy.

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