Topic: How to self exclude from anonymous gambling sites - page 9. (Read 6573 times)

This is an important point, if we leave money on a platform, be it a casino, an exchange, even if it is ours, it is not ours, a private key is not managed, it is at the expense of what may happen on that platform. So, what? if the platform suffers a hack? How is it done there? How can it be done so that we are well? Will we have security? We have seen cases where there are exchange houses that close them when they are hacked, and casinos that close them when they are hacked, that is why I recommend being more jealous with our money and not leaving it anywhere, if we want to control the Addiction. It's simple, set a spending limit only for the casino, otherwise there is no need to risk more to implement this strategy, you must have a lot of Discipline.

That option doesn't hurt though, and casinos are required by law to have it. Obviously it isn't the key issue, but it sends a signal, and that signal is it's ok to seek help, that addiction might not be under your control. It isn't as much as your control as a message it says. Of course you can go around that, and it would be pretty draconian if you couldn't. People are pretty free to do what ever they want, and if they don't want to heal from addiction, no one can fix those problems for us, or stop us really. They can just help. Decision to get fixed comes from ourselves.

But congratz for getting your addiction in order. It usually takes family or other people in close circle, especially if we are in debt.

Please, do not like the idea, the risk is too high and you do not get to achieve the full benefits intended, it will never solve the problem. Fine, it looks good to you because you never thought it through because locking your money at this time doesn't mean you will not get another money elsewhere to gamble. Think of it, after locking the money, the 21 days lapsed and more money was delivered into your hands (capital + gain), can you guarantee you can't gamble with the whole money after the 21 days have passed? If you say yes, then you are not yet addicted, you might only have the feelings of it.

Those who are truly addicted will not even wait for that 21 days before they use other available means to gamble, and the money locked away must have been totally spent on gambling even before its maturity date through loans and other borrowing means like from friends and family. The best way to solve the addiction problem is to be psychological about it and the moment you win it through that means, you will be truly cured. Also, what was advocated by the OP is risky, what if something bad happened to the website/platform and the whole money was gone just like that? This is not the risk I am willing to take on something that is not so effective and well-known.

Of course, but I was just sharing my opinion that I don't need that kind of feature if I really want to get out from addiction
It's not easy to get out, I tell you, I have been addicted before but I didn't fix my problem alone, it was my family who help me along the way, not a casino because I know even if I use that I could still lie to myself and just gamble in a different casino.

When you guys self exclude yourself does you freeze your funds to the casino as well?

Help comes from everywhere mate so I think its normal for others to rely in casino helping them out of addiction because self exclusion is one thing that can at least lessen their chance of losing or playing more.

but also you are correct ,w e must only engage in things that we can control and that is what gambling can ruin our life .

Seriously, this thing exist? How can they actually notice any signs of addiction when they didn't see the gambler in personal, so they cannot evaluate, and besides, even if they notice a gambler to be addicted, they have no right to stop a gambler as long as he has money to play and he isn't violating the TOS.

I heard that some casinos stop gamblers when they are winning too much, but never heard a casino stop a gambler because he is losing too much.  

Frankly, I have to agree with his opinion because it is always better if we rely on ourselves than relying on the casino (self-exclusion system). Nothing wrong with his mindset imo so he does not need to change it, I'll even suggest him to keep his mindset. Also, I have never heard casino that close their player's accounts because the casino noticed that their players are addicted. Of course I have to agree that addict needs all possible help including from the casino, but if we talk about anonymous casino where there is no possible way to get help from the casino (no self-exclusion system) then addicts has no other option except to help themselves.

You definitely need to change this mindset!
An addict needs all the help he can get even if it comes from the casino. Besides, even if you don't request to be excluded, casino owners still can close your account when they notice any signs of addiction.
This has nothing yo do with being a "man" or not.

It's a good idea I also think, but then won't be effective in the long run if you ask me, one can actually stake all their crypto quite alright, but doing that is also another risk on its own, why? Because crypto currencies are very volatile sometimes, and to always be at a position where we can be able to use those volatility to our advantage, it's important for us to always keep some crypto in our wallet which we can sell when the price overly climbs too high, to buy more back when the price returns back to the normal levels again. We discover that a compulsive gambler may not still be able to keep this crypto to use it for the purpose it is kept even after having staked some, so in the end, he or she still have to find a natural solution to his or her problem.

And on the other hand again, if the gambler is a person that earns money daily weekly or bi-weekly, you discover that staking won't still help since the player can stake the cryptocurrency he has earned in previous times, but will still use the ones he or she is earning presently to fuel his or her gambling urge.
So to me, this is not really a solution that will work all the time, and for all gamblers.

Blocking the balance is a good option, although I honestly would not do it, it is easier to establish an amount to have a game session , that is, if we play we have to have enough to play in each game session 20usd of game, if I spend it ready , I don't bet more, I don't deposit more, why if we block 200usd and we need those 200usd for a possible or eventual emergency? How do we do it? I think that when blocking is blocking, it is useless to have money there in the casino, we must remember that our money is when we have the private keys of our money, the money is not ours but rather the platform's, many times here in the forum it has been talked about that, that's why I don't recommend that Strategy.

Well you do got a point and i would really be having on the same feelings too on which on the time that you would really be finding yourself on playing gambling and having that kind of acceptance already on losing those particular amounts then pretty sure that you are really that wary with that you've been spending up money. Exclusions are the last resort if you do find  yourself that cant be stopped on playing gambling but of course addicted gamblers wont really be accepting such condition and would really be having that denial on which this is something that is really that common.
Exclusions arent that available everywhere on which it would really be that wise that you should really be playing for fun in the first place so that you wont really be finding yourself
finding up these kind of features. lol

This is one very important idea to even prevent compulsive gambling attitudes. I if a gambler has a very bad attitude or lifestyle that they are living because of gambling and they are at the point where they can no longer control their money for good utilization except they put everything in gambling and loss it at once, they can practice this lock staking investment and it will help them not to have access to the money and they will not gamble so compulsively again. I love the idea but I don't like atomic wallet, so people said it is not too safe to use.

Such a feature will not stop people who often gamble without restrictions because they will keep gambling again. But for those who think they might lose control, this feature can help. But they must really be able to prevent themselves from returning to gambling for some time.

The self-exclusion feature is sometimes needed by some gamblers who find it difficult to stop themselves from gambling. For this reason, casinos provide this feature so that gamblers can gamble within limits and can enjoy gambling comfortably. But casinos also hope that there will be gamblers who cannot control themselves so that these gamblers will keep returning to the casino to gamble.

We should pay attention to ourselves so we don't experience any problems in gambling. If we can take care of ourselves well, we won't need these features. The important thing is that we can control ourselves while gambling so that we don't gamble excessively.

Think like a warrior and that you want to beat the casino, so would you ask them for them, that's kinda insulting. It's just me though, I feel like I'm not a real man if a casino offers me to self exclude because they feel I am addicted to gambling, no... what I would do, I have money to gamble, if I lose everything I just say I'll give you and you win, that's how a man think and when gambling, we need to be a man.

Self exclude is fine, but like I mentioned, we don't need them if we are a man.

What I think about this is that people who do it Aso have much more value, because they are protecting themselves and that has its good value, that is what can be given as a sign that they want things better, I always do. will say something, when we need something good to be done , we simply have to be in control of everything, and that has much more Value than someone who achieves that decision with professional help or something that Forces us to do it, in addition to allowing us to know what it is. The dangers of depending on what is done, Everything can Always be considered in favor of the Player's health, that is only essential.

Definitely and this is why this kind of feature is somewhat not that needed and this is why majority of platforms arent really putting or something this one isnt really that available but just like been said that it might be absent but you could actually be able to make out some kind of request from the team or admin itself about exclusion but of course you wont really be needing it as if you do really tend to stop completely then you could really actually be able to do it on your own without having those kind of assistance on which we know that this is something that not that relevant.
If you do want to quit then you would quit but if not then you would really be keeps on coming back as long your mind is really that fixated towards gambling then there's no way
that you would really be stopping.

In the end it still comes back to the gambler's desire, or the point is that if for example they are unable to refrain from doing things or actions that are not recommended then obviously in the end they will continue gambling and will not care about anything related to self-exclusion. In fact, self-exclusion can be done by yourself without the help of anyone and from any party if you are able to control your gambling activities properly with a note of being able to keep yourself in balance by always prioritizing preventive measures but this mindset will only exist in gamblers who really have a correct understanding of the dangers of gambling activities if done in the wrong way. This means that if they gamble with the intention and purpose of earning then obviously what they want is to continue gambling and chasing big wins, although in common sense chasing something in gambling is always not recommended but for them it doesn't matter to do.

Dude, I'm just stating reality. Why should we rely on a casino to control our addiction? It's not their job; their job is to entertain us, and we pay to play. This is very simple; it doesn't require a lot of explanation for a mature mind to understand the risks of gambling.

When you sign up at a casino, you are asked if you are 18+ and probably some casinos explain the risks. Once you "agree" to all the terms, that means you understand the rules and the risks of gambling. So, if you lose, the casino wouldn't tell you to stop because they think that, since you are mature enough and you understand the risks, they presume that you are gambling responsibly. However, the words "gambling responsibility" is not measured based on the amount of money you risk and lose as every gambler have different financial status in life.

Let's wake up, we are in a dangerous world. Yes, a casino may have a self-exclusion feature, but it still depends on how we will use it because, as mentioned, one can easily create an account at another casino to continue their gambling addiction.

In short, if you have a gambling addiction, don't expect the casino to help you. It's only you or the people who truly care for you who could help.

You still repeated the same statement, and at this point, I do not know whose side you are. Is it the casino/business side or the humanitarian side? If you are a concerned person, you will always choose the healed world/humanitarian first over anything else including the business. You are looking at the core goal of casinos and the relationship with the customers, but overlooking the damage it can cause to some people who could be a victim of it. Fine, gambling is an adult activity and people, including the government and casinos expect it to be played by mature and well-prepared people. I have also preached that many times. But at the same time, we are all humans, we can't be wise/smart or think the same way and even some younger people may be more mature in handling themselves and things of life better than some older ones.

Look around you, are people the same? It is not everybody that is smart or can think for themselves or control/restrain themselves in some situations. This is why some external restrictive features like self-exclusion were put in place instead for some gamblers to be wasting their lives and fortunes away due to addiction which they can't control. Do you think that these addicted gamblers would want it for themselves if they were with their senses or able to correct the issue? This is why that feature is important, but the only issue is that it is not so effective, nevertheless, it has helped some people for real.

Now, effective or not, advocating its abolishment is not humane, it shows you do not care about anybody, that's what I was telling you, it's wrong. Who cares about more bonuses and offerings when a life is wasting off due to addiction? The self-exclusion feature is still an effort to help even as the addicts continue to find other lasting solutions to their problems.

If this is your disposition about the whole thing, then it is cruel. You are not looking at the humanitarian aspect but the game and the businesses therein, but this is selfish in all right thinking and should not be allowed to see the light of the day in a sane world. Well, that's why people are not the same, as you think that way, others think in a positive way that helps humanitarian. Some casinos and sportsbook owners even know the importance of warnings and self-exclusion in gambling, and regardless of the amount they would have gained from the gambler, they will care about the welfare first.

This may not be genuinely common among the owners but some will still place humanitarians above their selfish interests. This is also the reason why we have rules and government, and any risky business is often mandated to have some disclaimers on their website/platform and casinos in sane countries cannot dare to avoid the self-exclusion feature on their platforms. Although the government may not be strict in regulating and enforcing this feature, it is a good one that the casinos have done their part, especially for those who are facing psychological issues that are gambling-related.

So, we're not in a banana republic where casinos will do as they like, they must obey the law of the land even if they do not want to do it as the law balances things between the casinos and the gamblers. Above all, morally, I believe that casinos must feel for the affected and offer help as they can, and not just be as selfish as you want them to be.