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So, in the end, it's not entirely about laying down rules for ourselves, but more of making sure we abide by that rule at all time, it's like the common saying that which made us understand that things are easier said than done, it's exactly very easy to come up with rules that will sure ensure we have a safe gambling experience, but it's harder to abide by the same rules, as doing so will require extreme determination and discipline, without this, it will just be us making another resolution we will turn away from almost immediately after making the resolution.
Rule are rules only when obeyed,  thos is a very important aspect of setting a rule for yourself because in recent time, we have seen alot of people who set an almost unbearable rules for themselves and even at that, they don't obey the rules that they set for themselves.

At best we need to make a flexible rules for ourselves so that we won't fine obeying them as uncomfortable or too hard to reach, but their is a high regards and needs for each gamblers to have a set of rules that guide our  conduct while gambling.
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Personally wayback when I still don't have idea about Online gambling? yes we are doing this together fgoing to casino houses to relax enjoy and be drunk together in casino.
as actually there are free drinks while you are still betting, and this has been the practice we have gain over the years.
Yeah, there are complimentary drinks and snacks that you're free to take and that's also part of the casino's service for which will make you comfortable and that's why you'll stay there for so long. Compared to online casinos, we don't have this and we have to make our own drinks or just order before we gamble and drink that when we're already actually doing it. But the ambiance of the actual casinos are entirely different compared to just staying at home and gamble freely all day long. There are also pros about staying at home as there's no one going to disturb you, you won't have to deal with some drunk gamblers that are too naughty and can't control themselves.

now we are doing this together online at least we are all free of time.
Not all the gamblers online does it but we're all doing the same thing and that's to gamble and have fun. But those gamblers that have reached their peak and limit and can no longer stop themselves, when they have to request for self exclusion, that's a good sign that they've noticed their gambling activities and that has to stop or else they'd be problematic with themselves and will have to go through with another problem that they will generate that no one will be able to help them solve it but only themselves.
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Everything you said is correct and is really effective way to help us how we can reduce our gambling activities and to avoid ending up in a severe case of gambling addiction. that's true that we all have our own steps to follow to avoid things that may happen to us when it comes to gambling, but we must know how to follow our own ways and show our dedication to doing all the rules we made for our own.
You are right, it's actually one thing to lay down rules for ourself, and it is completely another thing entire for us to follow that rule, I remember a time when I said I will never bet more than $20 dollars in a game, but when I saw a sports game I knew I could easily win, I didn't even know when I placed a hundred dollar bet on the game, and eventually, I lost it, it was a very painful experience because I had over confidence that the game would turn out in my favor, and secondly, after I lost the money was when I remembered that I said I will never bet more than $20 on a game.

So, in the end, it's not entirely about laying down rules for ourselves, but more of making sure we abide by that rule at all time, it's like the common saying that which made us understand that things are easier said than done, it's exactly very easy to come up with rules that will sure ensure we have a safe gambling experience, but it's harder to abide by the same rules, as doing so will require extreme determination and discipline, without this, it will just be us making another resolution we will turn away from almost immediately after making the resolution.
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And with Respect to playing with friends, it is a reality, with that you have a Different time , joke around and it is something else, it becomes a healthy Relaxation.

I also have friends that doesn't enjoy gambling alone, all they requires is to be amidst their fellow gamblers enjoying the fantasy together, there's actually this joy one get from being together with other fellow gamblers in gambling, but for the sake of those that like privacy and enjoys being alone, they may not find a pleasure in coming together in gambling amidst other people and most times they don't even have that free time to spend together with others on an extensive range discussing and gambling.
I think that gambling in the company of friends becomes a hobby. Some company plays poker not to play poker but mostly to talk, to relax. Today we have not enough time to spend time in such way - it is easier to make a call or play online poker with skype conference. But if it is possible i can only recommend such way of relax. Of course if there are no problems with gambling.

That's true, some of us have been so used to this pattern of gambling that we can enjoy it the way we expect except we find ourself amidst of our friends to gamble together, however, we must not forget that anything that has advantages also has its own disadvantages, friends sometimes could be misleading in many ways, more especially when you find yourself amidst those that care less about each other nor the way they gamble.
Personally wayback when I still don't have idea about Online gambling? yes we are doing this together fgoing to casino houses to relax enjoy and be drunk together in casino.
as actually there are free drinks while you are still betting, and this has been the practice we have gain over the years.
now we are doing this together online at least we are all free of time.
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The key on here that you would really be able to completely stop is on the time that you would really be having the control. You wont really be needing any staking or locking up some funds
or whatever kind of gesture you would be making because it would be still pointless if your mind is still that fixed on playing gambling in the end of the day.
So the key point on here is about control and moderation on which these things wont really be an issue in speaking about gambling activity.
you are right, but the solution in OP is also worth considering for effective steps to reduce gambling addiction even though they have spare funds and they will not use higher funds to fulfill their gambling desires, reducing addiction requires steps to improve financial management and managing time for gambling, if we follow With the right instructions, gambling addiction can be overcome gradually until you are free from the influence of addiction.

Actually, everyone has a different way of dealing with gambling addiction problems and they succeed in their own way, so let's support positive ways even if they don't give maximum results because avoiding gambling addiction is very difficult than we imagine.

Everything you said is correct and is really effective way to help us how we can reduce our gambling activities and to avoid ending up in a severe case of gambling addiction. that's true that we all have our own steps to follow to avoid things that may happen to us when it comes to gambling, but we must know how to follow our own ways and show our dedication to doing all the rules we made for our own.
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The key on here that you would really be able to completely stop is on the time that you would really be having the control. You wont really be needing any staking or locking up some funds
or whatever kind of gesture you would be making because it would be still pointless if your mind is still that fixed on playing gambling in the end of the day.
So the key point on here is about control and moderation on which these things wont really be an issue in speaking about gambling activity.
you are right, but the solution in OP is also worth considering for effective steps to reduce gambling addiction even though they have spare funds and they will not use higher funds to fulfill their gambling desires, reducing addiction requires steps to improve financial management and managing time for gambling, if we follow With the right instructions, gambling addiction can be overcome gradually until you are free from the influence of addiction.

Actually, everyone has a different way of dealing with gambling addiction problems and they succeed in their own way, so let's support positive ways even if they don't give maximum results because avoiding gambling addiction is very difficult than we imagine.
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Excluding towards those gambling sites wont really be that much of a problem if you are really just that mindful or really that serious on quitting and not really just that having those thoughts
but ending up on playing once again just because you cant really be able to control.

What we should have first learn to do is how to control ourselves and emotion to the extent at which we are gambling on a casino, when we deal with all these, it wont be a problem for us to handle other challenges that may come through while we are gambling, we will also make decision on which gambling platform to use and not, we will have time to focus on if we are going for the anonymous gambling site or not, those that require kyc or not, we can just make decision on any other thing we want to see with our gambling experience.
Emotions is something we need to be very careful of so that we don't get too in and get eatened up by something we mighy not know the consequences. Gambling as been seen as a way to make money maybe fast money but something we don't always get what we prepared for as gamblers. The casinos we are using keep profiting from us whether we win or lose, there is a mechanism they use to earn from us but it is very clear that notbm everyone is going to make money from gambling whether we believe it or not.
My experience has taught me to gamble with care, while the experience of others has even taught me to be extra careful when I gamble, These two have always helped me even as I know that what we do not do cautiously is bad and might put us in trouble over time. And the moment you start believing that gambling is a mean of making money or the means by which you will be making your living income and become dependent on it, that's the moment you have failed in it even if you have not yet lost all your money. I can assure you that the person will lose the money and deposit more fresh amounts in different periods and will still lose them. This is because by believing you will easily make money in such a risky activity like gambling, you've already sacrificed the liberty of making the money for the desperation that would creep in, and this will certainly be working with other emotional difficulties/factors as a human being and the result can never be good.

It is better to engage in gambling cautiously by making sure that you do not have a huge belief in it as an avenue that you can make your life's earnings easily but as an avenue where one is merely trying his luck. This psychology alone would save us a lot and keep us responsible in gambling because it will ensure that we gamble only with the amount of money we can afford to lose since we are not desperate about it. For this, there will not be a reason to risk a huge money at once into it. This will also help us to enforce management in our gambling and above all control ourselves with a high level of Willpower since we didn't give in entirely to it in the first place but started cautiously and responsibly.
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You can watch this video from 07:20 if you want to skip on the other parts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxty2XhTwVI

Basically it's very simple.

You take a currency that requires 21 days for staking/unstaking, then you deposit this amount in Atomic Wallet, stake it and then you can't gamble with the crypto you're holding.

The locking (staking) is done with one single click of a button, and it's practically speaking, equivalent to activation of self-exclusion on an online gambling site with a click of a button (and yet not all sites offer it unfortunately).

For example, you stake (lock) $200 of your crypto, and that's all crypto available for you - then you can't play/gamble/risk it for at least 21 days ... do it 15 times a year time after time, and you would be excluded for a long time.

The only drawback with this method is Atomic doesn't offer this on USDT so some "gamblers" might not like this idea because they trust stablecoins more than other crypto coins, but this is FYI.

This might be old but just to point out on having this kind of idea when you do make that kind of staking action just for you to have that kind of prohibition for yourself on making up bets.
So the main question is, if you you've been able to lock up your funds on a certain period then are you sure that you wont really be able to make use of those funds that you have left?
Dont tell me that you do only have that money on which you have stake into. For sure you would really be having those reserves on which you could really be able to make use.

The key on here that you would really be able to completely stop is on the time that you would really be having the control. You wont really be needing any staking or locking up some funds
or whatever kind of gesture you would be making because it would be still pointless if your mind is still that fixed on playing gambling in the end of the day.
So the key point on here is about control and moderation on which these things wont really be an issue in speaking about gambling activity.
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Real entertainment and real pleasure from playing poker can be obtained by playing it with your friends.  It really is a great time with jokes, fun and laughter.  Even if you lose, it’s still not very offensive. 

You're right, many enjoyed gambling with friends and making fun through such means, however some also don't admit for such because of the way they have picture gambling and interpreted it to themselves, some believed the more they are open to friends while gambling the more being distracted they are to have chances for winning, everyone has his own lokes and dislikes when it comes to discussions about preference in gambling, we must just have to ensure that the fun is not missed out in any of our decision on this.
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As i said it becomes more hobby than gambling. You can play without money, of for $1 for example. It is mostly to see your friends and talk about everything don`t cares about time.
Of course all of us differs, and there is no one ideal decision but it is a good way for lot of people. It is very important to be able to see your friends in real life today. I have such opportunity just 2-3 times per year and it is really excellent way of spending time for me.
No one would really be interested on playing gambling with having that $1 fund and of course they would really be that much more preferring on adding up more.
When it comes to self exclusions then it isnt really that something that we can see on every site on which there are those sites that do offer these kind of features.
You wont really be needing up these features if you are really that tending to stop gambling. You wont really be needing any of these things just for you to be able to quit
if you are really that tending to quit then it would really be just that depending on you.
It we are talking about gambling - it is true. But when we are talking about offline company of friends - we can play poker even without money - it is more about talking than about gambling.


I think that gambling in the company of friends becomes a hobby. Some company plays poker not to play poker but mostly to talk, to relax. Today we have not enough time to spend time in such way - it is easier to make a call or play online poker with skype conference. But if it is possible i can only recommend such way of relax. Of course if there are no problems with gambling.
Well, you can get together with friends too and enjoy even by not playing poker at all. However, if all of your friends are interested in poker then for sure you will enjoy poker more than anything else.
I would prefer to have both options with me. If friends are around, we can enjoy poker together or even plan it on weekends or on holidays. On other days, online poker will also serve a good purpose especially if we have the option to chat with online players too.
It is true. And it is wonderful that we have both opportunities. But i want to match that we mustn`t forget about offline meetings.


As i said it becomes more hobby than gambling. You can play without money, of for $1 for example. It is mostly to see your friends and talk about everything don`t cares about time.
Of course all of us differs, and there is no one ideal decision but it is a good way for lot of people. It is very important to be able to see your friends in real life today. I have such opportunity just 2-3 times per year and it is really excellent way of spending time for me.
we have different way on how we handle our gambling some of us don't need huge amount to play in gambling  cause in their mindset is they played because they want to be happy, they played because they need  a stress relief and they don't mind the time. But some gamblers play using huge money cause they think that the more they played the more they earned. Without knowing that there's a Chance that the losses is more than the winning  all they need is to gamble and win they don't think the possible outcome.
Of course all situations differs and we can`t offer the only right decision. But in situation where there are nobody in company with some problems with gambling - it is good idea for offline meeting with friends.
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That's true, some of us have been so used to this pattern of gambling that we can enjoy it the way we expect except we find ourself amidst of our friends gambling together, however, we must not forget that anything that has advantages also has its own disadvantages, friends sometimes could be misleading in many ways, more especially when you find yourself amidst those that care less about each other nor the way they gamble.
I am not comfortable with gambling among friends even though if we are colleagues or even close friends unless the game is just for fun like football where we need to play the game in teams, aside from the football, I would rather choose to play along and in my privacy.


This way is easier to avoid overdoing things rather than being among a group who may have the same interest in gambling on games together or as a culture.
As i said it becomes more hobby than gambling. You can play without money, of for $1 for example. It is mostly to see your friends and talk about everything don`t cares about time.
Of course all of us differs, and there is no one ideal decision but it is a good way for lot of people. It is very important to be able to see your friends in real life today. I have such opportunity just 2-3 times per year and it is really excellent way of spending time for me.
we have different way on how we handle our gambling some of us don't need huge amount to play in gambling  cause in their mindset is they played because they want to be happy, they played because they need  a stress relief and they don't mind the time. But some gamblers play using huge money cause they think that the more they played the more they earned. Without knowing that there's a Chance that the losses is more than the winning  all they need is to gamble and win they don't think the possible outcome.
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That's for sure. 
Real entertainment and real pleasure from playing poker can be obtained by playing it with your friends.  It really is a great time with jokes, fun and laughter.  Even if you lose, it’s still not very offensive.  I really like playing this way too.  Sometimes I’m even a little jealous of such groups of retirees who regularly, about once a week, gather around the table to play poker and have fun.
 This definitely colors the rather monotonous and monotonous life of such people and is an excellent way to escape from everyday life.

No doubt playing poker with friends is entertaining but sometimes there are times when friends are not around. In that case, the online Poker comes in handy as you can still play it online anonymously and have some fun too. It is better to play it online with unknown people than to not play it all (in the absence of friends).


I think that gambling in the company of friends becomes a hobby. Some company plays poker not to play poker but mostly to talk, to relax. Today we have not enough time to spend time in such way - it is easier to make a call or play online poker with skype conference. But if it is possible i can only recommend such way of relax. Of course if there are no problems with gambling.

Well, you can get together with friends too and enjoy even by not playing poker at all. However, if all of your friends are interested in poker then for sure you will enjoy poker more than anything else.
I would prefer to have both options with me. If friends are around, we can enjoy poker together or even plan it on weekends or on holidays. On other days, online poker will also serve a good purpose especially if we have the option to chat with online players too.
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That's true, some of us have been so used to this pattern of gambling that we can enjoy it the way we expect except we find ourself amidst of our friends gambling together, however, we must not forget that anything that has advantages also has its own disadvantages, friends sometimes could be misleading in many ways, more especially when you find yourself amidst those that care less about each other nor the way they gamble.
I am not comfortable with gambling among friends even though if we are colleagues or even close friends unless the game is just for fun like football where we need to play the game in teams, aside from the football, I would rather choose to play along and in my privacy.


This way is easier to avoid overdoing things rather than being among a group who may have the same interest in gambling on games together or as a culture.
As i said it becomes more hobby than gambling. You can play without money, of for $1 for example. It is mostly to see your friends and talk about everything don`t cares about time.
Of course all of us differs, and there is no one ideal decision but it is a good way for lot of people. It is very important to be able to see your friends in real life today. I have such opportunity just 2-3 times per year and it is really excellent way of spending time for me.
No one would really be interested on playing gambling with having that $1 fund and of course they would really be that much more preferring on adding up more.
When it comes to self exclusions then it isnt really that something that we can see on every site on which there are those sites that do offer these kind of features.
You wont really be needing up these features if you are really that tending to stop gambling. You wont really be needing any of these things just for you to be able to quit
if you are really that tending to quit then it would really be just that depending on you.
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That's true, some of us have been so used to this pattern of gambling that we can enjoy it the way we expect except we find ourself amidst of our friends gambling together, however, we must not forget that anything that has advantages also has its own disadvantages, friends sometimes could be misleading in many ways, more especially when you find yourself amidst those that care less about each other nor the way they gamble.
I am not comfortable with gambling among friends even though if we are colleagues or even close friends unless the game is just for fun like football where we need to play the game in teams, aside from the football, I would rather choose to play along and in my privacy.


This way is easier to avoid overdoing things rather than being among a group who may have the same interest in gambling on games together or as a culture.
As i said it becomes more hobby than gambling. You can play without money, of for $1 for example. It is mostly to see your friends and talk about everything don`t cares about time.
Of course all of us differs, and there is no one ideal decision but it is a good way for lot of people. It is very important to be able to see your friends in real life today. I have such opportunity just 2-3 times per year and it is really excellent way of spending time for me.
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That's true, some of us have been so used to this pattern of gambling that we can enjoy it the way we expect except we find ourself amidst of our friends gambling together, however, we must not forget that anything that has advantages also has its own disadvantages, friends sometimes could be misleading in many ways, more especially when you find yourself amidst those that care less about each other nor the way they gamble.
I am not comfortable with gambling among friends even though if we are colleagues or even close friends unless the game is just for fun like football where we need to play the game in teams, aside from the football, I would rather choose to play along and in my privacy.


This way is easier to avoid overdoing things rather than being among a group who may have the same interest in gambling on games together or as a culture.


I believe that sometimes there are people like you who do not like to bet among friends, perhaps because friendship cannot be measured by things like whether I am betting or winning money with our friends, perhaps there are some people who feel uncomfortable, it can also be Maybe you don't feel comfortable because you don't like it, maybe friendships for you are about something else that doesn't have to involve money, because they say that money is sometimes not compatible in friendships because it can open certain cracks and break you up. a friendship.

I have played with friends, but not by betting, but for pure fun, to pass the time, to bet I prefer to do it in a casino or on a sport, the way of seeing these betting resources are very different in cultures, there are people who are more serious in that regard.
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That's true, some of us have been so used to this pattern of gambling that we can enjoy it the way we expect except we find ourself amidst of our friends gambling together, however, we must not forget that anything that has advantages also has its own disadvantages, friends sometimes could be misleading in many ways, more especially when you find yourself amidst those that care less about each other nor the way they gamble.
I am not comfortable with gambling among friends even though if we are colleagues or even close friends unless the game is just for fun like football where we need to play the game in teams, aside from the football, I would rather choose to play along and in my privacy.


This way is easier to avoid overdoing things rather than being among a group who may have the same interest in gambling on games together or as a culture.

When you are someone in together when it comes to betting and sharing up with the same interest then for sure you would really be that making yourself that putting up on a situation which it might
be giving that kind of possibility that you could really be able to play or bet even more just because you would be finding yourself that becoming that entertained in between making up
some bets according into those group suggestions and would be sharing up on the same reactions on the time that you would really be watching on how your bet goes.

As for exclusion then we do really know that this isnt something that we can really be easily be able to do such thing considering that
once we are addicted then there's no way that we could be that avoid those things along the way.
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That's true, some of us have been so used to this pattern of gambling that we can enjoy it the way we expect except we find ourself amidst of our friends gambling together, however, we must not forget that anything that has advantages also has its own disadvantages, friends sometimes could be misleading in many ways, more especially when you find yourself amidst those that care less about each other nor the way they gamble.
I am not comfortable with gambling among friends even though if we are colleagues or even close friends unless the game is just for fun like football where we need to play the game in teams, aside from the football, I would rather choose to play along and in my privacy.


This way is easier to avoid overdoing things rather than being among a group who may have the same interest in gambling on games together or as a culture.
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And with Respect to playing with friends, it is a reality, with that you have a Different time , joke around and it is something else, it becomes a healthy Relaxation.

I also have friends that doesn't enjoy gambling alone, all they requires is to be amidst their fellow gamblers enjoying the fantasy together, there's actually this joy one get from being together with other fellow gamblers in gambling, but for the sake of those that like privacy and enjoys being alone, they may not find a pleasure in coming together in gambling amidst other people and most times they don't even have that free time to spend together with others on an extensive range discussing and gambling.
I think that gambling in the company of friends becomes a hobby. Some company plays poker not to play poker but mostly to talk, to relax. Today we have not enough time to spend time in such way - it is easier to make a call or play online poker with skype conference. But if it is possible i can only recommend such way of relax. Of course if there are no problems with gambling.

That's true, some of us have been so used to this pattern of gambling that we can enjoy it the way we expect except we find ourself amidst of our friends to gamble together, however, we must not forget that anything that has advantages also has its own disadvantages, friends sometimes could be misleading in many ways, more especially when you find yourself amidst those that care less about each other nor the way they gamble.

It is very true, there are friends of friends who wow, some are special in their occurrences, in this case when we play with friends with the intention of having a different time, maybe with some beers, because one does not worry so much about winning money or something like that, sometimes you don't take it so much to heart, in fact you can play a lot with poker, in case there are other games like dominoes, I don't know how popular dominoes are, it's also for bet and share, in my case dominoes is a game that I used to play just to play and it seems that sometimes playing that game in that way can easily knock down the moves of others, so these are things that I didn't know, Sometimes these types of tricks make one learn strategies that we can use in the long term in a competition, tournament, even in the same casino that is casino vs player.

In the case of poker, I like it a lot, although I don't consider myself an expert in poker, I can say that with that game you learn a lot and with time and experience you can make some good money, so each environment can help us. help improve our skills and without looking for it so much.
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And with Respect to playing with friends, it is a reality, with that you have a Different time , joke around and it is something else, it becomes a healthy Relaxation.

I also have friends that doesn't enjoy gambling alone, all they requires is to be amidst their fellow gamblers enjoying the fantasy together, there's actually this joy one get from being together with other fellow gamblers in gambling, but for the sake of those that like privacy and enjoys being alone, they may not find a pleasure in coming together in gambling amidst other people and most times they don't even have that free time to spend together with others on an extensive range discussing and gambling.
I think that gambling in the company of friends becomes a hobby. Some company plays poker not to play poker but mostly to talk, to relax. Today we have not enough time to spend time in such way - it is easier to make a call or play online poker with skype conference. But if it is possible i can only recommend such way of relax. Of course if there are no problems with gambling.

That's true, some of us have been so used to this pattern of gambling that we can enjoy it the way we expect except we find ourself amidst of our friends to gamble together, however, we must not forget that anything that has advantages also has its own disadvantages, friends sometimes could be misleading in many ways, more especially when you find yourself amidst those that care less about each other nor the way they gamble.
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And with Respect to playing with friends, it is a reality, with that you have a Different time , joke around and it is something else, it becomes a healthy Relaxation.

I also have friends that doesn't enjoy gambling alone, all they requires is to be amidst their fellow gamblers enjoying the fantasy together, there's actually this joy one get from being together with other fellow gamblers in gambling, but for the sake of those that like privacy and enjoys being alone, they may not find a pleasure in coming together in gambling amidst other people and most times they don't even have that free time to spend together with others on an extensive range discussing and gambling.
I think that gambling in the company of friends becomes a hobby. Some company plays poker not to play poker but mostly to talk, to relax. Today we have not enough time to spend time in such way - it is easier to make a call or play online poker with skype conference. But if it is possible i can only recommend such way of relax. Of course if there are no problems with gambling.
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