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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on April 28, 2024, 01:47:03 AM

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Quote from: khaled0111 on April 26, 2024, 06:00:05 PM

However, I don't this is going to work because and addict who can't control himself will definitely find a way to get more money.

It doesn't work like that, self exclusion is when you contact the casino to make your account off from gambling. It's not about when you lose money and you find a way to make money again to gamble, but when you get yourself self excluded in a casino, you can easily betray yourself because you'll just have to find a new gambling site that will cater you.

Money is not a problem for gamblers, unless broke. This self-exclusion actually is just like fooling ourselves because its real purpose is not realized, that's from my personal point of view.

You seem to be mixing things up here, and if a gambler is not addicted because of the fun, then it must be for the money, so the money is still the problem of the gamblers. Also, you might have misinterpreted what @khaled0111 said there and I think you guys are still saying the same thing after all in the rest. Self-exclusion is just a way to restrict oneself, but not a way to cure gambling addiction. Just like you said, if he self-excluded himself but moved to another casino platform to play, is the issue still not persisting? That is why he said he doesn't think it can work just like you as the gambler may still find more money (even if he followed the style of the main OP) to still continue to gamble.

These are good points and I am certain that since gambling-related issues are psychological, psychological approaches should be used to tackle them as well. Self-deprivation like exclusion and locking out funds may only limit but will never cure the issue.

The main point of my statement is that self-exclusion that is a feature of few casinos out there seemed to be like a negative feature as a gambler could just easily choose to gamble to other casinos once he lock his account and realized the urge is still there. Casinos should only offers more games, and more bonuses that will attract more gamblers and satisfy them, they should not think of any feature that is related or could prevent gambling addiction as their main business is to serve people hence it's already expected that once a gambler opted in, they already understand what responsible gambling is.

If a gambler gets addicted, it's not anymore the business of a casino since it should be taken cared of outside casinos. Remember that casino is a business, their main goal is to generate revenue and will only happen if they could retain loyal gamblers and attract new. Self exclusion is discouraging gamblers to gambler, that will hurt the casino's revenue.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on April 25, 2024, 03:02:57 PM

Quote from: Dunamisx on April 25, 2024, 01:43:51 PM

If we are convinced right from our mind that we cannot do or achieve something, then there is no amount of words and encouragement that can make such happened expect we are changed from the initial perspective we have towards that same thing, in gambling, we can go for what we want, there is freedom of making selection, but many choose the way they appear all because they lack in some information's required for them to know and go through, while such could have been helpful in their gambling.

I consider that it is not misleading here, the purpose of the thread is to show that self-exclusion from a casino is for people who are true heroes, who say no to avoid falling back into Addiction, because the majority of people who exclude themselves from the casino is to not have to live that bad experience again, so one of the ways they have is that, I think it is a very radical response but it can be very difficult for some to reach that decision , so in view of what it can become to live they prefer to exclude themselves than to try to play and know that they will fall into addiction again, what happens is that people do not have to see it from the bad point of view, but because it is telling the stories that some have experienced in order to give themselves Keep in mind that if it is possible to do it and that it is an option, the rest, if they want to see it badly, is their affair.

I thought heroes are the ones who did a good deed to others? Didn't know that it can also be applied for oneself but even if not, I agree that those addict who volunteer themselves deserve a recognition because it is not easy and they can be a good inspiration to other addicted people. There are still recovered addicts who does the act again but this time in moderation. This takes courage and confidence.

This is also rewarding because we can still enjoy the things that we love without doing a harm anymore to our selves. It's weird if there are people who see exclusion a bad thing but maybe those people are part of the business and they can't earn anymore once people slowly stop availing their service.

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Quote from: Russlenat on April 27, 2024, 02:16:59 AM

Quote from: khaled0111 on April 26, 2024, 06:00:05 PM

However, I don't this is going to work because and addict who can't control himself will definitely find a way to get more money.

It doesn't work like that, self exclusion is when you contact the casino to make your account off from gambling. It's not about when you lose money and you find a way to make money again to gamble, but when you get yourself self excluded in a casino, you can easily betray yourself because you'll just have to find a new gambling site that will cater you.

Money is not a problem for gamblers, unless broke. This self-exclusion actually is just like fooling ourselves because its real purpose is not realized, that's from my personal point of view.

You seem to be mixing things up here, and if a gambler is not addicted because of the fun, then it must be for the money, so the money is still the problem of the gamblers. Also, you might have misinterpreted what @khaled0111 said there and I think you guys are still saying the same thing after all in the rest. Self-exclusion is just a way to restrict oneself, but not a way to cure gambling addiction. Just like you said, if he self-excluded himself but moved to another casino platform to play, is the issue still not persisting? That is why he said he doesn't think it can work just like you as the gambler may still find more money (even if he followed the style of the main OP) to still continue to gamble.

These are good points and I am certain that since gambling-related issues are psychological, psychological approaches should be used to tackle them as well. Self-deprivation like exclusion and locking out funds may only limit but will never cure the issue.

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Quote from: Russlenat on April 27, 2024, 02:16:59 AM

Quote from: khaled0111 on April 26, 2024, 06:00:05 PM

However, I don't this is going to work because and addict who can't control himself will definitely find a way to get more money.

It doesn't work like that, self exclusion is when you contact the casino to make your account off from gambling. It's not about when you lose money and you find a way to make money again to gamble, but when you get yourself self excluded in a casino, you can easily betray yourself because you'll just have to find a new gambling site that will cater you.

Money is not a problem for gamblers, unless broke. This self-exclusion actually is just like fooling ourselves because its real purpose is not realized, that's from my personal point of view.

Most likely you would really be having that kind of consideration on which on the time that you would really be on the state on which you are that losing money then you would really be having that kind of chase up with those loses and would really be trying out to play even more and this is something that would really be not be able to stop you on playing. Lets say that there would really be that exclusion feature but
this one wont really be enough for you to be able to stop out completely. If there's none then you could really be able to request it out but just been said that as long you arent that making yourself accept those loses then its impossible for you to stop.

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Quote from: lienfaye on April 26, 2024, 01:19:45 AM

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on April 25, 2024, 09:52:42 AM

You guys should stop deceiving yourself about this and thereby preaching weakness to people. There are testable working ways to stop addiction and there are addicts that can testify to it. The fact that something is tough to achieve does not mean that it can't be achieved, and the fact that a certain means of cure doesn't work for some certain people doesn't mean it is not the right advice or procedure, people are different, and so how they take thing. There are many factors to be considered here as well, which include the willingness of the gambler in question, the level of the damage already caused and the mind power of the gambler himself.

If we are convinced right from our mind that we cannot do or achieve something, then there is no amount of words and encouragement that can make such happened expect we are changed from the initial perspective we have towards that same thing, in gambling, we can go for what we want, there is freedom of making selection, but many choose the way they appear all because they lack in some information's required for them to know and go through, while such could have been helpful in their gambling.

There's no such thing as impossible if a gambler is really determine to exclude/stop himself from being addicted, remember that you'll never know unless you try. However when a person is not willing, he will find ways to make excuses not because he think it will not work but because he really don't want to stop what he used to.

correct mate that there is no impossible if you are determined and dedicated but for addiction to be taken? first we need to accept the reality that we are addict and we wanted to change our life because if not every attempt will only cause you nothing but failure.

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We are indeed different and have our own reasoning on why we gamble but let's set limit always. Because it's not easy to get away with addiction once you already fall for it.

all people in gambling has their own reasons and control but the problem is that gambling is too addicted that many are falling bad into it.

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Quote from: Kavelj22 on April 26, 2024, 05:49:32 PM

Quote from: mak013 on April 26, 2024, 01:07:20 AM

I count the accounts that i`m using right now. I never sold my accounts. The accounts i leaved - has no any information except my name and no money. In the operation history it is possible to see in-out transactions and that it were maid using the bank card. That`s all - there is no any information about card, when you remove it from payment methods. If it impossible - i try to delete account.

When i visited this forum first time i thought the same, but some time later i understand, that accounts can be stolen or sold for example. That`s why i try to check any information i get here. There are some members, who i don`t need to check, but it is because i know them for several years and see if they change their languages or interests. I think that it is the first rule - don`t believe information from internet without own research.
Anyway i don`t recommend anybody to buy or sell account. It is mostly rejected by ToS and it is possible to be banned.

Well, we're not different then. I also confirm that I agree with you in your opinion about how to deal with the opinions published on the forum, noting that a new visitor may not have the same awareness as you of the necessity of researching and verifying any information, no matter how reliable its source may appears.

Regarding information on accounts, since the name cannot be changed, when you erase your bank card data, this will not mean that the new user (buyer) can add his own card data that does not match the original registered name. In this case, he will definitely be banned, and if he is unlucky enough, the platform may allow him to deposit before banning him. So, the only premise for selling an account is that someone thinks about defrauding someone, making him believe that he can buy the account and use it. As far as I know, those interested in accounts trading ensure that the accounts are authenticated and may request to purchase payment card data in exchange for completely abandoning its use. In any case, this remains a dangerous adventure for both parties.

In the end, thank you my friend for this interesting conversation.

When i add card i input number, expiration data and CVV code, that`s all. So it isn`t a problem to use new card. It can become a problem, if casino will KYC you. But in this situation they asks ID or some other documents. I was asked to prove that i`m an owner of the card only two times for last three years. But it is details, that can differs between casinos and countries. Anyway selling account is cheating and it would be easier just to delete it.

Thank you, it was interesting discussion.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on April 26, 2024, 06:00:05 PM

However, I don't this is going to work because and addict who can't control himself will definitely find a way to get more money.

It doesn't work like that, self exclusion is when you contact the casino to make your account off from gambling. It's not about when you lose money and you find a way to make money again to gamble, but when you get yourself self excluded in a casino, you can easily betray yourself because you'll just have to find a new gambling site that will cater you.

Money is not a problem for gamblers, unless broke. This self-exclusion actually is just like fooling ourselves because its real purpose is not realized, that's from my personal point of view.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on April 25, 2024, 03:02:57 PM

the purpose of the thread is to show that self-exclusion from a casino is for people who are true heroes, who say no to avoid falling back into Addiction

This made me go and re-read the topic again in cas I missed something. I believe this topic is, unlike you said, directed to those who can not control themselves and need a way to prevent them from gambling even if they wanted.
OP's suggestion is basically to lock your money/crypto somehow so you can't spend it on gambling. However, I don't this is going to work because and addict who can't control himself will definitely find a way to get more money.

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Quote from: mak013 on April 26, 2024, 01:07:20 AM

Quote from: Kavelj22 on April 25, 2024, 01:11:14 PM

Quote from: mak013 on April 25, 2024, 01:50:56 AM

They cost nothing. I remove my bank cards, my e-mail, phone number if it is possible between leaving it. If it is impossible to remove all paying methods i used - i delete it.
The accounts i use differs. Some of them has about $10-20, few are about $250-500. Summary it is about $2.000-2.500 i think. But it is not fixed sum - i bet a lot and withdraw regularly.
In a public forum i can say tell my opinion. And all of us must understand that it is not a good idea to follow the advices of unknown person without own research.

Firstl, I still think that account trading is risky even though the prices you have given may seem attractive. And if you can delete all that data from the account, why would someone buy it? It is assumed that the account is registered in your personal name, that this name can never be changed, and that the rest of the data (payment card or confirmation address) matches it. This means that the process of change is not possible as easily as we imagine.

Secondly, you are not an unknown person on the Internet since you are a reputed member on the forum, according to your profile. This good reputation gives your ideas a kind of credibility that makes readers trust them to some extent. This holds you (as an honest member) morally responsible for what you publish. On this basis, I advise you to be careful about publishing some suggestions or sensitive ideas.

I count the accounts that i`m using right now. I never sold my accounts. The accounts i leaved - has no any information except my name and no money. In the operation history it is possible to see in-out transactions and that it were maid using the bank card. That`s all - there is no any information about card, when you remove it from payment methods. If it impossible - i try to delete account.

When i visited this forum first time i thought the same, but some time later i understand, that accounts can be stolen or sold for example. That`s why i try to check any information i get here. There are some members, who i don`t need to check, but it is because i know them for several years and see if they change their languages or interests. I think that it is the first rule - don`t believe information from internet without own research.
Anyway i don`t recommend anybody to buy or sell account. It is mostly rejected by ToS and it is possible to be banned.

Well, we're not different then. I also confirm that I agree with you in your opinion about how to deal with the opinions published on the forum, noting that a new visitor may not have the same awareness as you of the necessity of researching and verifying any information, no matter how reliable its source may appears.

Regarding information on accounts, since the name cannot be changed, when you erase your bank card data, this will not mean that the new user (buyer) can add his own card data that does not match the original registered name. In this case, he will definitely be banned, and if he is unlucky enough, the platform may allow him to deposit before banning him. So, the only premise for selling an account is that someone thinks about defrauding someone, making him believe that he can buy the account and use it. As far as I know, those interested in accounts trading ensure that the accounts are authenticated and may request to purchase payment card data in exchange for completely abandoning its use. In any case, this remains a dangerous adventure for both parties.

In the end, thank you my friend for this interesting conversation.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on April 25, 2024, 01:43:51 PM

Quote from: EarnOnVictor on April 25, 2024, 09:52:42 AM

You guys should stop deceiving yourself about this and thereby preaching weakness to people. There are testable working ways to stop addiction and there are addicts that can testify to it. The fact that something is tough to achieve does not mean that it can't be achieved, and the fact that a certain means of cure doesn't work for some certain people doesn't mean it is not the right advice or procedure, people are different, and so how they take thing. There are many factors to be considered here as well, which include the willingness of the gambler in question, the level of the damage already caused and the mind power of the gambler himself.

If we are convinced right from our mind that we cannot do or achieve something, then there is no amount of words and encouragement that can make such happened expect we are changed from the initial perspective we have towards that same thing, in gambling, we can go for what we want, there is freedom of making selection, but many choose the way they appear all because they lack in some information's required for them to know and go through, while such could have been helpful in their gambling.

Of course, with the right calculations and not taking careless steps, even the smallest mistake can be detrimental to oneself, even if they get encouragement from the family, it will not necessarily reach their ears. If they are truly a heavy gambling addict, no matter how big the encouragement is, they will be ignored because of that. This is what people are used to, it would be better to wait until their money runs out and of course it will stop, but bad things will definitely happen, they can borrow money from someone to continue playing until their inner satisfaction is truly entertained, one way is to invite and find something to do for themselves. Forget about gambling, at least it's a fun activity.

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Quote from: lienfaye on April 26, 2024, 01:19:45 AM

Quote from: Dunamisx on April 25, 2024, 01:43:51 PM

Quote from: EarnOnVictor on April 25, 2024, 09:52:42 AM

You guys should stop deceiving yourself about this and thereby preaching weakness to people. There are testable working ways to stop addiction and there are addicts that can testify to it. The fact that something is tough to achieve does not mean that it can't be achieved, and the fact that a certain means of cure doesn't work for some certain people doesn't mean it is not the right advice or procedure, people are different, and so how they take thing. There are many factors to be considered here as well, which include the willingness of the gambler in question, the level of the damage already caused and the mind power of the gambler himself.

If we are convinced right from our mind that we cannot do or achieve something, then there is no amount of words and encouragement that can make such happened expect we are changed from the initial perspective we have towards that same thing, in gambling, we can go for what we want, there is freedom of making selection, but many choose the way they appear all because they lack in some information's required for them to know and go through, while such could have been helpful in their gambling.

There's no such thing as impossible if a gambler is really determine to exclude/stop himself from being addicted, remember that you'll never know unless you try. However when a person is not willing, he will find ways to make excuses not because he think it will not work but because he really don't want to stop what he used to.

We are indeed different and have our own reasoning on why we gamble but let's set limit always. Because it's not easy to get away with addiction once you already fall for it.

That means that in doing something, especially curing gambling addiction, we have to believe we can do it. By having strong beliefs, we can cure ourselves of gambling addiction. With help from the people closest to us, it will give us additional strength and encouragement to undergo every process necessary to recover.

We may be different, but we have strong thoughts, and if we can process them well, we can succeed. A gambling addict absolutely must have the desire to recover so that he can resist the turmoil in his mind that tells him to return to gambling. With the enthusiasm to heal himself, he will get through everything well.

We must keep trying and if we fail, we must not give up. No one knows when we will succeed but if we don't give up, we can succeed soon. That is why it would be better if we could prevent gambling addiction and that would be better than treating gambling addiction.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on April 25, 2024, 01:43:51 PM

Quote from: EarnOnVictor on April 25, 2024, 09:52:42 AM

You guys should stop deceiving yourself about this and thereby preaching weakness to people. There are testable working ways to stop addiction and there are addicts that can testify to it. The fact that something is tough to achieve does not mean that it can't be achieved, and the fact that a certain means of cure doesn't work for some certain people doesn't mean it is not the right advice or procedure, people are different, and so how they take thing. There are many factors to be considered here as well, which include the willingness of the gambler in question, the level of the damage already caused and the mind power of the gambler himself.

If we are convinced right from our mind that we cannot do or achieve something, then there is no amount of words and encouragement that can make such happened expect we are changed from the initial perspective we have towards that same thing, in gambling, we can go for what we want, there is freedom of making selection, but many choose the way they appear all because they lack in some information's required for them to know and go through, while such could have been helpful in their gambling.

There's no such thing as impossible if a gambler is really determine to exclude/stop himself from being addicted, remember that you'll never know unless you try. However when a person is not willing, he will find ways to make excuses not because he think it will not work but because he really don't want to stop what he used to.

We are indeed different and have our own reasoning on why we gamble but let's set limit always. Because it's not easy to get away with addiction once you already fall for it.

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Quote from: Kavelj22 on April 25, 2024, 01:11:14 PM

Quote from: mak013 on April 25, 2024, 01:50:56 AM

They cost nothing. I remove my bank cards, my e-mail, phone number if it is possible between leaving it. If it is impossible to remove all paying methods i used - i delete it.
The accounts i use differs. Some of them has about $10-20, few are about $250-500. Summary it is about $2.000-2.500 i think. But it is not fixed sum - i bet a lot and withdraw regularly.
In a public forum i can say tell my opinion. And all of us must understand that it is not a good idea to follow the advices of unknown person without own research.

Firstl, I still think that account trading is risky even though the prices you have given may seem attractive. And if you can delete all that data from the account, why would someone buy it? It is assumed that the account is registered in your personal name, that this name can never be changed, and that the rest of the data (payment card or confirmation address) matches it. This means that the process of change is not possible as easily as we imagine.

Secondly, you are not an unknown person on the Internet since you are a reputed member on the forum, according to your profile. This good reputation gives your ideas a kind of credibility that makes readers trust them to some extent. This holds you (as an honest member) morally responsible for what you publish. On this basis, I advise you to be careful about publishing some suggestions or sensitive ideas.

I count the accounts that i`m using right now. I never sold my accounts. The accounts i leaved - has no any information except my name and no money. In the operation history it is possible to see in-out transactions and that it were maid using the bank card. That`s all - there is no any information about card, when you remove it from payment methods. If it impossible - i try to delete account.

When i visited this forum first time i thought the same, but some time later i understand, that accounts can be stolen or sold for example. That`s why i try to check any information i get here. There are some members, who i don`t need to check, but it is because i know them for several years and see if they change their languages or interests. I think that it is the first rule - don`t believe information from internet without own research.
Anyway i don`t recommend anybody to buy or sell account. It is mostly rejected by ToS and it is possible to be banned.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on April 25, 2024, 01:43:51 PM

Quote from: EarnOnVictor on April 25, 2024, 09:52:42 AM

You guys should stop deceiving yourself about this and thereby preaching weakness to people. There are testable working ways to stop addiction and there are addicts that can testify to it. The fact that something is tough to achieve does not mean that it can't be achieved, and the fact that a certain means of cure doesn't work for some certain people doesn't mean it is not the right advice or procedure, people are different, and so how they take thing. There are many factors to be considered here as well, which include the willingness of the gambler in question, the level of the damage already caused and the mind power of the gambler himself.

If we are convinced right from our mind that we cannot do or achieve something, then there is no amount of words and encouragement that can make such happened expect we are changed from the initial perspective we have towards that same thing, in gambling, we can go for what we want, there is freedom of making selection, but many choose the way they appear all because they lack in some information's required for them to know and go through, while such could have been helpful in their gambling.

I consider that it is not misleading here, the purpose of the thread is to show that self-exclusion from a casino is for people who are true heroes, who say no to avoid falling back into Addiction, because the majority of people who exclude themselves from the casino is to not have to live that bad experience again, so one of the ways they have is that, I think it is a very radical response but it can be very difficult for some to reach that decision , so in view of what it can become to live they prefer to exclude themselves than to try to play and know that they will fall into addiction again, what happens is that people do not have to see it from the bad point of view, but because it is telling the stories that some have experienced in order to give themselves Keep in mind that if it is possible to do it and that it is an option, the rest, if they want to see it badly, is their affair.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on April 25, 2024, 09:52:42 AM

You guys should stop deceiving yourself about this and thereby preaching weakness to people. There are testable working ways to stop addiction and there are addicts that can testify to it. The fact that something is tough to achieve does not mean that it can't be achieved, and the fact that a certain means of cure doesn't work for some certain people doesn't mean it is not the right advice or procedure, people are different, and so how they take thing. There are many factors to be considered here as well, which include the willingness of the gambler in question, the level of the damage already caused and the mind power of the gambler himself.

If we are convinced right from our mind that we cannot do or achieve something, then there is no amount of words and encouragement that can make such happened expect we are changed from the initial perspective we have towards that same thing, in gambling, we can go for what we want, there is freedom of making selection, but many choose the way they appear all because they lack in some information's required for them to know and go through, while such could have been helpful in their gambling.

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Quote from: mak013 on April 25, 2024, 01:50:56 AM

Quote from: Kavelj22 on April 24, 2024, 01:39:21 PM

Quote from: mak013 on April 24, 2024, 12:51:16 AM

You`re right, someone who ready to buy it 100% has some problems with casino or wants to cheat it. The best way is to delete account. But someone can choose such a way to get some money back and to know that his gambling helps someone else. It is strange logic but i think that it is possible. When i change casino, i just leave account without money or delete it.

This is not only just a strange logic, but it can also be considered reckless logic. Can you give us an estimate of the price of any of your casino accounts? Either the accounts currently active or ones you abandoned in the past. Do you think this amount is worth risking your private data that you cannot predict on how any scammer might use it? I can't find logical arguments for this, especially since I'm not the type to adopt strange logics regarding my privacy as well as my assets.
We are discussing in a public forum and your thoughts may inspire some to try some risks. It would be good to avoid expressing opinions that might harm those who are trying to implement them.

They cost nothing. I remove my bank cards, my e-mail, phone number if it is possible between leaving it. If it is impossible to remove all paying methods i used - i delete it.
The accounts i use differs. Some of them has about $10-20, few are about $250-500. Summary it is about $2.000-2.500 i think. But it is not fixed sum - i bet a lot and withdraw regularly.
In a public forum i can say tell my opinion. And all of us must understand that it is not a good idea to follow the advices of unknown person without own research.

Firstl, I still think that account trading is risky even though the prices you have given may seem attractive. And if you can delete all that data from the account, why would someone buy it? It is assumed that the account is registered in your personal name, that this name can never be changed, and that the rest of the data (payment card or confirmation address) matches it. This means that the process of change is not possible as easily as we imagine.

Secondly, you are not an unknown person on the Internet since you are a reputed member on the forum, according to your profile. This good reputation gives your ideas a kind of credibility that makes readers trust them to some extent. This holds you (as an honest member) morally responsible for what you publish. On this basis, I advise you to be careful about publishing some suggestions or sensitive ideas.

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Quote from: joniboini on April 24, 2024, 11:14:39 AM

Quote from: shield132 on April 24, 2024, 03:37:34 AM

There is no real way online to 100% exclude yourself from gambling, let alone anonymous gambling sites. Everyone has to work on their willpower. If you don't have willpower, you will not be able to self-exclude yourself from anything.

I think that's true for any kind of addiction sadly, but that's not a reason to stop doing things that reduce your gambling activity if you feel it takes a toll on you. While there is no sure way to stop your addiction other than death, self-exclusions, asking for help, and so on is still better than doing it alone. It might even affect your well-being if you focus too much on willpower and feel like you're a terrible person if you fail to control it.

You guys should stop deceiving yourself about this and thereby preaching weakness to people. There are testable working ways to stop addiction and there are addicts that can testify to it. The fact that something is tough to achieve does not mean that it can't be achieved, and the fact that a certain means of cure doesn't work for some certain people doesn't mean it is not the right advice or procedure, people are different, and so how they take thing. There are many factors to be considered here as well, which include the willingness of the gambler in question, the level of the damage already caused and the mind power of the gambler himself.

However, this mind power goes a long way, and if it is weak, the procedure may not land on the right soil but a rocky ground in the minds of the addicts which will make it difficult for it to yield as expected. Enough gamblers have visited therapists without any medicine and got healed, it is all out meeting the right experts and the cooperation of the person himself. However, those kinds of efforts like self-exclusion or locking of one's money are not procedural for an adduct to heal, they are just like cutting the grass from the surface, it will continue to germinate if it is not uprooted from the root.

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Quote from: Kavelj22 on April 24, 2024, 01:39:21 PM

Quote from: mak013 on April 24, 2024, 12:51:16 AM

You`re right, someone who ready to buy it 100% has some problems with casino or wants to cheat it. The best way is to delete account. But someone can choose such a way to get some money back and to know that his gambling helps someone else. It is strange logic but i think that it is possible. When i change casino, i just leave account without money or delete it.

This is not only just a strange logic, but it can also be considered reckless logic. Can you give us an estimate of the price of any of your casino accounts? Either the accounts currently active or ones you abandoned in the past. Do you think this amount is worth risking your private data that you cannot predict on how any scammer might use it? I can't find logical arguments for this, especially since I'm not the type to adopt strange logics regarding my privacy as well as my assets.
We are discussing in a public forum and your thoughts may inspire some to try some risks. It would be good to avoid expressing opinions that might harm those who are trying to implement them.

They cost nothing. I remove my bank cards, my e-mail, phone number if it is possible between leaving it. If it is impossible to remove all paying methods i used - i delete it.
The accounts i use differs. Some of them has about $10-20, few are about $250-500. Summary it is about $2.000-2.500 i think. But it is not fixed sum - i bet a lot and withdraw regularly.
In a public forum i can say tell my opinion. And all of us must understand that it is not a good idea to follow the advices of unknown person without own research.

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Quote from: mak013 on April 24, 2024, 12:51:16 AM

Quote from: Kavelj22 on April 23, 2024, 06:31:56 PM

Quote from: mak013 on April 23, 2024, 11:02:01 AM

I don`t know, i never interested in it. I don`t recommend anybody to buy or sell accounts, but if someone wants to stop gambling - it may be a good decision for him - he break his past with selling it.
I don`t believe that it can help, but may be someone need something like symbol that there is no way to his old habits.

It would be good if someone decided to end their experience with excessive gambling that had harmed them. I agree with you that a complete break from gambling platforms would also be good evidence that the person will never want to return to his behavioral addiction again.
But this cannot be an argument to justify the same person selling his accounts on those platforms he used to use. Giving up gambling will not eliminate the fact that these accounts contain important personal information, even if it can be changed. This is a very dangerous step that could lead to undesirable or dangerous results that may include criminal prosecution if the buyer misuses the account and the platform is forced to use criminal prosecution.

You`re right, someone who ready to buy it 100% has some problems with casino or wants to cheat it. The best way is to delete account. But someone can choose such a way to get some money back and to know that his gambling helps someone else. It is strange logic but i think that it is possible. When i change casino, i just leave account without money or delete it.

This is not only just a strange logic, but it can also be considered reckless logic. Can you give us an estimate of the price of any of your casino accounts? Either the accounts currently active or ones you abandoned in the past. Do you think this amount is worth risking your private data that you cannot predict on how any scammer might use it? I can't find logical arguments for this, especially since I'm not the type to adopt strange logics regarding my privacy as well as my assets.
We are discussing in a public forum and your thoughts may inspire some to try some risks. It would be good to avoid expressing opinions that might harm those who are trying to implement them.

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Quote from: shield132 on April 24, 2024, 03:37:34 AM

There is no real way online to 100% exclude yourself from gambling, let alone anonymous gambling sites. Everyone has to work on their willpower. If you don't have willpower, you will not be able to self-exclude yourself from anything.

I think that's true for any kind of addiction sadly, but that's not a reason to stop doing things that reduce your gambling activity if you feel it takes a toll on you. While there is no sure way to stop your addiction other than death, self-exclusions, asking for help, and so on is still better than doing it alone. It might even affect your well-being if you focus too much on willpower and feel like you're a terrible person if you fail to control it.

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