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You guys should stop deceiving yourself about this and thereby preaching weakness to people. There are testable working ways to stop addiction and there are addicts that can testify to it. The fact that something is tough to achieve does not mean that it can't be achieved, and the fact that a certain means of cure doesn't work for some certain people doesn't mean it is not the right advice or procedure, people are different, and so how they take thing. There are many factors to be considered here as well, which include the willingness of the gambler in question, the level of the damage already caused and the mind power of the gambler himself.

If we are convinced right from our mind that we cannot do or achieve something, then there is no amount of words and encouragement that can make such happened expect we are changed from the initial perspective we have towards that same thing, in gambling, we can go for what we want, there is freedom of making selection, but many choose the way they appear all because they lack in some information's required for them to know and go through, while such could have been helpful in their gambling.
There's no such thing as impossible if a gambler is really determine to exclude/stop himself from being addicted, remember that you'll never know unless you try. However when a person is not willing, he will find ways to make excuses not because he think it will not work but because he really don't want to stop what he used to.

We are indeed different and have our own reasoning on why we gamble but let's set limit always. Because it's not easy to get away with addiction once you already fall for it.
That means that in doing something, especially curing gambling addiction, we have to believe we can do it. By having strong beliefs, we can cure ourselves of gambling addiction. With help from the people closest to us, it will give us additional strength and encouragement to undergo every process necessary to recover.

We may be different, but we have strong thoughts, and if we can process them well, we can succeed. A gambling addict absolutely must have the desire to recover so that he can resist the turmoil in his mind that tells him to return to gambling. With the enthusiasm to heal himself, he will get through everything well.

We must keep trying and if we fail, we must not give up. No one knows when we will succeed but if we don't give up, we can succeed soon. That is why it would be better if we could prevent gambling addiction and that would be better than treating gambling addiction.
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You guys should stop deceiving yourself about this and thereby preaching weakness to people. There are testable working ways to stop addiction and there are addicts that can testify to it. The fact that something is tough to achieve does not mean that it can't be achieved, and the fact that a certain means of cure doesn't work for some certain people doesn't mean it is not the right advice or procedure, people are different, and so how they take thing. There are many factors to be considered here as well, which include the willingness of the gambler in question, the level of the damage already caused and the mind power of the gambler himself.

If we are convinced right from our mind that we cannot do or achieve something, then there is no amount of words and encouragement that can make such happened expect we are changed from the initial perspective we have towards that same thing, in gambling, we can go for what we want, there is freedom of making selection, but many choose the way they appear all because they lack in some information's required for them to know and go through, while such could have been helpful in their gambling.
There's no such thing as impossible if a gambler is really determine to exclude/stop himself from being addicted, remember that you'll never know unless you try. However when a person is not willing, he will find ways to make excuses not because he think it will not work but because he really don't want to stop what he used to.

We are indeed different and have our own reasoning on why we gamble but let's set limit always. Because it's not easy to get away with addiction once you already fall for it.
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They cost nothing. I remove my bank cards, my e-mail, phone number if it is possible between leaving it. If it is impossible to remove all paying methods i used - i delete it.
The accounts i use differs. Some of them has about $10-20, few are about $250-500. Summary it is about $2.000-2.500 i think. But it is not fixed sum - i bet a lot and withdraw regularly.
In a public forum i can say tell my opinion. And all of us must understand that it is not a good idea to follow the advices of unknown person without own research.

Firstl, I still think that account trading is risky even though the prices you have given may seem attractive. And if you can delete all that data from the account, why would someone buy it? It is assumed that the account is registered in your personal name, that this name can never be changed, and that the rest of the data (payment card or confirmation address) matches it. This means that the process of change is not possible as easily as we imagine.

Secondly, you are not an unknown person on the Internet since you are a reputed member on the forum, according to your profile. This good reputation gives your ideas a kind of credibility that makes readers trust them to some extent. This holds you (as an honest member) morally responsible for what you publish. On this basis, I advise you to be careful about publishing some suggestions or sensitive ideas.
I count the accounts that i`m using right now. I never sold my accounts. The accounts i leaved - has no any information except my name and no money. In the operation history it is possible to see in-out transactions and that it were maid using the bank card. That`s all - there is no any information about card, when you remove it from payment methods. If it impossible - i try to delete account.

When i visited this forum first time i thought the same, but some time later i understand, that accounts can be stolen or sold for example. That`s why i try to check any information i get here. There are some members, who i don`t need to check, but it is because i know them for several years and see if they change their languages or interests. I think that it is the first rule - don`t believe information from internet without own research.
Anyway i don`t recommend anybody to buy or sell account. It is mostly rejected by ToS and it is possible to be banned.
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You guys should stop deceiving yourself about this and thereby preaching weakness to people. There are testable working ways to stop addiction and there are addicts that can testify to it. The fact that something is tough to achieve does not mean that it can't be achieved, and the fact that a certain means of cure doesn't work for some certain people doesn't mean it is not the right advice or procedure, people are different, and so how they take thing. There are many factors to be considered here as well, which include the willingness of the gambler in question, the level of the damage already caused and the mind power of the gambler himself.

If we are convinced right from our mind that we cannot do or achieve something, then there is no amount of words and encouragement that can make such happened expect we are changed from the initial perspective we have towards that same thing, in gambling, we can go for what we want, there is freedom of making selection, but many choose the way they appear all because they lack in some information's required for them to know and go through, while such could have been helpful in their gambling.
I consider that it is not misleading here, the purpose of the thread is to show that self-exclusion from a casino is for people who are true heroes, who say no to avoid falling back into Addiction, because the majority of people who exclude themselves from the casino is to not have to live that bad experience again, so one of the ways they have is that, I think it is a very radical response but it can be very difficult for some to reach that decision , so in view of what it can become to live they prefer to exclude themselves than to try to play and know that they will fall into addiction again, what happens is that people do not have to see it from the bad point of view, but because it is telling the stories that some have experienced in order to give themselves Keep in mind that if it is possible to do it and that it is an option, the rest, if they want to see it badly, is their affair.
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You guys should stop deceiving yourself about this and thereby preaching weakness to people. There are testable working ways to stop addiction and there are addicts that can testify to it. The fact that something is tough to achieve does not mean that it can't be achieved, and the fact that a certain means of cure doesn't work for some certain people doesn't mean it is not the right advice or procedure, people are different, and so how they take thing. There are many factors to be considered here as well, which include the willingness of the gambler in question, the level of the damage already caused and the mind power of the gambler himself.

If we are convinced right from our mind that we cannot do or achieve something, then there is no amount of words and encouragement that can make such happened expect we are changed from the initial perspective we have towards that same thing, in gambling, we can go for what we want, there is freedom of making selection, but many choose the way they appear all because they lack in some information's required for them to know and go through, while such could have been helpful in their gambling.
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You`re right, someone who ready to buy it 100% has some problems with casino or wants to cheat it. The best way is to delete account. But someone can choose such a way to get some money back and to know that his gambling helps someone else. It is strange logic but i think that it is possible. When i change casino, i just leave account without money or delete it.

This is not only just a strange logic, but it can also be considered reckless logic. Can you give us an estimate of the price of any of your casino accounts? Either the accounts currently active or ones you abandoned in the past. Do you think this amount is worth risking your private data that you cannot predict on how any scammer might use it? I can't find logical arguments for this, especially since I'm not the type to adopt strange logics regarding my privacy as well as my assets.
We are discussing in a public forum and your thoughts may inspire some to try some risks. It would be good to avoid expressing opinions that might harm those who are trying to implement them.
They cost nothing. I remove my bank cards, my e-mail, phone number if it is possible between leaving it. If it is impossible to remove all paying methods i used - i delete it.
The accounts i use differs. Some of them has about $10-20, few are about $250-500. Summary it is about $2.000-2.500 i think. But it is not fixed sum - i bet a lot and withdraw regularly.
In a public forum i can say tell my opinion. And all of us must understand that it is not a good idea to follow the advices of unknown person without own research.

Firstl, I still think that account trading is risky even though the prices you have given may seem attractive. And if you can delete all that data from the account, why would someone buy it? It is assumed that the account is registered in your personal name, that this name can never be changed, and that the rest of the data (payment card or confirmation address) matches it. This means that the process of change is not possible as easily as we imagine.

Secondly, you are not an unknown person on the Internet since you are a reputed member on the forum, according to your profile. This good reputation gives your ideas a kind of credibility that makes readers trust them to some extent. This holds you (as an honest member) morally responsible for what you publish. On this basis, I advise you to be careful about publishing some suggestions or sensitive ideas.
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There is no real way online to 100% exclude yourself from gambling, let alone anonymous gambling sites. Everyone has to work on their willpower. If you don't have willpower, you will not be able to self-exclude yourself from anything.
I think that's true for any kind of addiction sadly, but that's not a reason to stop doing things that reduce your gambling activity if you feel it takes a toll on you. While there is no sure way to stop your addiction other than death, self-exclusions, asking for help, and so on is still better than doing it alone. It might even affect your well-being if you focus too much on willpower and feel like you're a terrible person if you fail to control it.
You guys should stop deceiving yourself about this and thereby preaching weakness to people. There are testable working ways to stop addiction and there are addicts that can testify to it. The fact that something is tough to achieve does not mean that it can't be achieved, and the fact that a certain means of cure doesn't work for some certain people doesn't mean it is not the right advice or procedure, people are different, and so how they take thing. There are many factors to be considered here as well, which include the willingness of the gambler in question, the level of the damage already caused and the mind power of the gambler himself.

However, this mind power goes a long way, and if it is weak, the procedure may not land on the right soil but a rocky ground in the minds of the addicts which will make it difficult for it to yield as expected. Enough gamblers have visited therapists without any medicine and got healed, it is all out meeting the right experts and the cooperation of the person himself. However, those kinds of efforts like self-exclusion or locking of one's money are not procedural for an adduct to heal, they are just like cutting the grass from the surface, it will continue to germinate if it is not uprooted from the root.
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You`re right, someone who ready to buy it 100% has some problems with casino or wants to cheat it. The best way is to delete account. But someone can choose such a way to get some money back and to know that his gambling helps someone else. It is strange logic but i think that it is possible. When i change casino, i just leave account without money or delete it.

This is not only just a strange logic, but it can also be considered reckless logic. Can you give us an estimate of the price of any of your casino accounts? Either the accounts currently active or ones you abandoned in the past. Do you think this amount is worth risking your private data that you cannot predict on how any scammer might use it? I can't find logical arguments for this, especially since I'm not the type to adopt strange logics regarding my privacy as well as my assets.
We are discussing in a public forum and your thoughts may inspire some to try some risks. It would be good to avoid expressing opinions that might harm those who are trying to implement them.
They cost nothing. I remove my bank cards, my e-mail, phone number if it is possible between leaving it. If it is impossible to remove all paying methods i used - i delete it.
The accounts i use differs. Some of them has about $10-20, few are about $250-500. Summary it is about $2.000-2.500 i think. But it is not fixed sum - i bet a lot and withdraw regularly.
In a public forum i can say tell my opinion. And all of us must understand that it is not a good idea to follow the advices of unknown person without own research.
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I don`t know, i never interested in it. I don`t recommend anybody to buy or sell accounts, but if someone wants to stop gambling  - it may be a good decision for him - he break his past with selling it.
I don`t believe that it can help, but may be someone need something like symbol that there is no way to his old habits.

It would be good if someone decided to end their experience with excessive gambling that had harmed them. I agree with you that a complete break from gambling platforms would also be good evidence that the person will never want to return to his behavioral addiction again.
But this cannot be an argument to justify the same person selling his accounts on those platforms he used to use. Giving up gambling will not eliminate the fact that these accounts contain important personal information, even if it can be changed. This is a very dangerous step that could lead to undesirable or dangerous results that may include criminal prosecution if the buyer misuses the account and the platform is forced to use criminal prosecution.
You`re right, someone who ready to buy it 100% has some problems with casino or wants to cheat it. The best way is to delete account. But someone can choose such a way to get some money back and to know that his gambling helps someone else. It is strange logic but i think that it is possible. When i change casino, i just leave account without money or delete it.

This is not only just a strange logic, but it can also be considered reckless logic. Can you give us an estimate of the price of any of your casino accounts? Either the accounts currently active or ones you abandoned in the past. Do you think this amount is worth risking your private data that you cannot predict on how any scammer might use it? I can't find logical arguments for this, especially since I'm not the type to adopt strange logics regarding my privacy as well as my assets.
We are discussing in a public forum and your thoughts may inspire some to try some risks. It would be good to avoid expressing opinions that might harm those who are trying to implement them.
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There is no real way online to 100% exclude yourself from gambling, let alone anonymous gambling sites. Everyone has to work on their willpower. If you don't have willpower, you will not be able to self-exclude yourself from anything.
I think that's true for any kind of addiction sadly, but that's not a reason to stop doing things that reduce your gambling activity if you feel it takes a toll on you. While there is no sure way to stop your addiction other than death, self-exclusions, asking for help, and so on is still better than doing it alone. It might even affect your well-being if you focus too much on willpower and feel like you're a terrible person if you fail to control it.
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The primary thing that we do have in mind is on the time that we would really be having that kind of mindset and beliefs that we can do all we want since its our money that we are using. Its none others business on how we would really be gonna using it up because it would really be just that a common approach on which you would really be thinking up that you could really be a winner in gambling.
Self exclusions is something pointless or useless if you are that an individual whose really that having that kind of positive views towards gambling and believing that you could really make money into it.
Exclusions are useless just because you do believe that you could really take up that kind of advantage but on the time that you are already getting addicted then this is where you would really be trying out to find up on the time that you do struggle on quitting or stopping gambling. You wouldnt really be able to see its importance until its not there.

Well, I have seen some cases here in the forum where they say that when a person excludes themselves from a casino it is because they have previously been addicted people or players and those people have been with a certain point of view where basically they have been very compromised by their addiction and since you have overcome it and since you don't want to regret it again, you may be tempted to play and do it. If they win or lose, they don't want to fall again and that's why they sneak through a casino exclusion, I see it as something heroic for those types of people, for those who try it it may not be useless, and if they can't achieve it it still is. more, but I give them credit because at least they tried.

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You can ask your ISP to block casinos but I believe not every of them will be included in their database and even if they block, you can still use VPN and access them. If you block yourself from certain casinos, you can still create a new one, even if it's a non-anonymous casino because many casinos don't ask you to submit KYC immediately, it happens over time. You can also ask your close friend or relative to create an account for you. There is no real way online to 100% exclude yourself from gambling, let alone anonymous gambling sites. Everyone has to work on their willpower. If you don't have willpower, you will not be able to self-exclude yourself from anything.
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I don`t know, i never interested in it. I don`t recommend anybody to buy or sell accounts, but if someone wants to stop gambling  - it may be a good decision for him - he break his past with selling it.
I don`t believe that it can help, but may be someone need something like symbol that there is no way to his old habits.
I do not recommend it as well and I don't believe that it helps with stopping gambling addiction. I believe that quitting gambling addiction is complex and it doesn't end automatically if the individual sells their account. A gambler may have multiple accounts and the wait period for selling them off may cause the person to go back into it. Self exclusion for a period of time or better still asking the casino to completely close down the account is better than selling it off. And if the gambling addict wants a long term solution, I recommend seeing a therapist that will assist them in identifying and dealing with the so the underly causes.
I don`t believe in self exclusion. Ask casino to close the account would be more honestly and he willn`t has any problems with this account later. But, as i said, i can just suggest how it works - i never had such problems and can`t shate my own experience.



I don`t know, i never interested in it. I don`t recommend anybody to buy or sell accounts, but if someone wants to stop gambling  - it may be a good decision for him - he break his past with selling it.
I don`t believe that it can help, but may be someone need something like symbol that there is no way to his old habits.

It would be good if someone decided to end their experience with excessive gambling that had harmed them. I agree with you that a complete break from gambling platforms would also be good evidence that the person will never want to return to his behavioral addiction again.
But this cannot be an argument to justify the same person selling his accounts on those platforms he used to use. Giving up gambling will not eliminate the fact that these accounts contain important personal information, even if it can be changed. This is a very dangerous step that could lead to undesirable or dangerous results that may include criminal prosecution if the buyer misuses the account and the platform is forced to use criminal prosecution.
You`re right, someone who ready to buy it 100% has some problems with casino or wants to cheat it. The best way is to delete account. But someone can choose such a way to get some money back and to know that his gambling helps someone else. It is strange logic but i think that it is possible. When i change casino, i just leave account without money or delete it.
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There are quite a lot of people who are completely unable to do what is called “think ahead.” 
Such people often live one day at a time and do not think at all about what will happen to them or their families or their children tomorrow, in a week or in a month.  It is precisely from such people that real gambling addicts at the stage of the disease can most likely emerge, and this process of very active participation in gambling for such people can generally end tragically for the player and for his family.   
I think that the overwhelming number of players are precisely these types of people.  And for them, gambling is practically safe and enjoyable.
Some individuals ĺive a very carefree lifestyle, they don't even care about the effect of their lifestyle on others, so far the satisfy their desire. And if the person is a very addicted gambler most times it's very difficult for them to listen to advise. And that why it's been advised on a regular that people should minimise their gambling habits so as not to get addicted because active participation in gambling equals more trouble.

 It's almost very difficult to advise an addicted gambler, especially those individuals who live such a carefree lifestyle because to them, everything they're doing is perfectly okay and they don't care what the next person thinks or feels and the fact that they've made gambling their passion makes it more difficult to quit, those are the type of individual that would take loans to go into gambling or even sale valuable properties.
Unfortunately, the nature and behavior of such irresponsible and reckless players cannot be changed.  At some point in the life of such a person, his actions can be completely irrational, spontaneous and even sometimes catastrophic.  Unfortunately for all the close people around him, such a person creates a lot of problems that might not have existed. 
It gets to the point that many even close people begin to think how much their lives would improve and become comfortable if such a reckless relative disappeared somewhere altogether.  Well, of course, he wouldn’t die, but, for example, he would go somewhere far away, so as not to see him anymore.  And sometimes such a person actually leaves somewhere and begins to again create problems for the people around him in a new place. 
But by the way, often this person himself believes that he behaves normally and his actions are only his personal business.  In fact, this is the highest degree of manifestation of selfishness and narcissism.  And it’s true that such people exist in life.  And it’s even better not to have anything in common with them at all, because in any case you will be to blame for all his troubles.
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I don`t know, i never interested in it. I don`t recommend anybody to buy or sell accounts, but if someone wants to stop gambling  - it may be a good decision for him - he break his past with selling it.
I don`t believe that it can help, but may be someone need something like symbol that there is no way to his old habits.

It would be good if someone decided to end their experience with excessive gambling that had harmed them. I agree with you that a complete break from gambling platforms would also be good evidence that the person will never want to return to his behavioral addiction again.
But this cannot be an argument to justify the same person selling his accounts on those platforms he used to use. Giving up gambling will not eliminate the fact that these accounts contain important personal information, even if it can be changed. This is a very dangerous step that could lead to undesirable or dangerous results that may include criminal prosecution if the buyer misuses the account and the platform is forced to use criminal prosecution.
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I don’t think that it helps to prevent gambling addiction. Those who play casinos have multiple accounts and if they have to wait to sell them they may get back game. Self-exclusion for a time even better asking the casino to close the account completely is preferable to selling. You can also find a Self-exclusion tool for those who want to take a break from gambling. To self-exclude from a gambling site, find the self-exclusion page on the site and fill out the form. Remember that self-exclusion is not foolproof and it's important to seek help from a professional if you're struggling with a gambling addiction.
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I don`t know, i never interested in it. I don`t recommend anybody to buy or sell accounts, but if someone wants to stop gambling  - it may be a good decision for him - he break his past with selling it.
I don`t believe that it can help, but may be someone need something like symbol that there is no way to his old habits.
I do not recommend it as well and I don't believe that it helps with stopping gambling addiction. I believe that quitting gambling addiction is complex and it doesn't end automatically if the individual sells their account. A gambler may have multiple accounts and the wait period for selling them off may cause the person to go back into it. Self exclusion for a period of time or better still asking the casino to completely close down the account is better than selling it off. And if the gambling addict wants a long term solution, I recommend seeing a therapist that will assist them in identifying and dealing with the so the underly causes.
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It is only your decision to use such opportunity or not. It is just the tool. And of course it is good that there is such opportunity, even if i don`t believe in it. May be it can help someone.
But the way to sell account or delete it looks more serious - you need to find new casino. It is not a problem of course, but it may be uncomfortable.

Do I understand what the problem is with selling a Casino account that has already been worked on? Is it because they are VIP? I think that is something that does not make much sense , something that I value a lot is that it is very ugly to buy something that has not been Worked on for us , it is like living off the sweat of Others , or maybe I am just one person I has always looked for things on her own and I prefer to get my things by the Sweat of my brow , that is Something I have learned to do Since I was little. There are People who don't give it Importance or it could be that I am a very Conservative Person.
I don`t know, i never interested in it. I don`t recommend anybody to buy or sell accounts, but if someone wants to stop gambling  - it may be a good decision for him - he break his past with selling it.
I don`t believe that it can help, but may be someone need something like symbol that there is no way to his old habits.
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True, it won't really be able to fully help gamblers to avoid the possibility of addiction or unsolicited actions because as you said above it all comes back to the gambler themselves which means that if for example they are one of those gamblers who are obsessed with gambling or those who gamble in the wrong way then they still won't take advantage of the exclusion feature because they will consider that the feature is not in accordance with their wishes which they only want to continue using their time to gamble.

I think the scenario may be similar to addicted gamblers where they are immune to suggestions and criticism, they will not listen to them and will continue to ignore something that does not suit them, so even though for example the purpose of the feature is to minimize gamblers from entering the addiction phase, but still in the end all decisions are in their hands which will make them free in terms of making a choice even though the choice will only lead them to a bad situation. So actually the key to not ending up addicted is always in themselves, in the sense that if for example they can maintain their gambling involvement properly such as always prioritizing limits and self-control then without such features they will definitely do many things to prevent themselves from falling into addiction.
Majority of us wont really care and i highly doubt that all of us wont really be tending to mind about this kind of feature this gambling site has if ever its really that available. You would really be looking up with these things on the time that you would really be finding yourself on such tough condition on which we know that this is something that will really be that a normal action or approach to have.
Actually just like been said that not all platforms does have this but just been said that quitting or having a break doesnt really need any feature for you to do so on which it would really be just that
enough for you to be able to stop if you wanted to but of course it would really be basing up on how good you are when you do have on such controlling yourself and not really just that
tolerating on the current emotion that you are really that feeling into.
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It sounds funny but it is really the way to self-exclude yourself.
Of course it don`t help, if someone wants to continue gambling - there are lots of casinos, where anybody can register(possible with some restrictions) with the same games, but if someone decides to stop - it can motivate at least.

PS. I don`t recommend anybody to but or sell accounts, it is only your decision.

I find it the same way, self-exclude doesn't help at all, it's just a decoration of a casino but it still depend on the will of the gamblers. It's true, we can self exclude ourselves in a certain casino but since create an account is very easy, we can always try playing in other casinos. I think the solution of addiction is stopping gambling, not fooling around ourselves that would only result to bigger problems. However, I don't blame the casino for having that kind of feature, becasue it's better than nothing at all, although it's not really too helpful.
It is only your decision to use such opportunity or not. It is just the tool. And of course it is good that there is such opportunity, even if i don`t believe in it. May be it can help someone.
But the way to sell account or delete it looks more serious - you need to find new casino. It is not a problem of course, but it may be uncomfortable.


Do I understand what the problem is with selling a Casino account that has already been worked on? Is it because they are VIP? I think that is something that does not make much sense , something that I value a lot is that it is very ugly to buy something that has not been Worked on for us , it is like living off the sweat of Others , or maybe I am just one person I has always looked for things on her own and I prefer to get my things by the Sweat of my brow , that is Something I have learned to do Since I was little. There are People who don't give it Importance or it could be that I am a very Conservative Person.
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