How will this change the world of mining?? GTX 1080 / 1070 - page 33.

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Quote from: QuintLeo on June 03, 2016, 01:56:40 PM

Found (after HOURS of digging) a working link to the stilt bios' for the 290 - and WHAT A DIFFERENCE they make.

Memory clock now optimises at 1250 (possibly less but ATICONFIG still won't let me UNDERclock).
Cards run a TON cooler, can push them to 1100 core (and a lot more hash) and they're STILL 10 degrees cooler than previous "thermal limiting" temps.

That's with the V32 bios - I've not played with any of the others yet.

Unfortunately I was able to determine that none of my cards are among the small quantity of "290x in disguise" versions - but 29MHs+ hash and temp headroom vs thermal-limiting and perhaps 20MH on some of them makes me a happy kitty!

IS this the one that you used?

MBA_C6711101-100_K2_AGR_STILTMP_V2F.zip (DPM7 - 1.2625V)

I just got the same card as you.

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Quote from: QuintLeo on June 03, 2016, 01:56:40 PM

Found (after HOURS of digging) a working link to the stilt bios' for the 290 - and WHAT A DIFFERENCE they make.

Memory clock now optimises at 1250 (possibly less but ATICONFIG still won't let me UNDERclock).
Cards run a TON cooler, can push them to 1100 core (and a lot more hash) and they're STILL 10 degrees cooler than previous "thermal limiting" temps.

That's with the V32 bios - I've not played with any of the others yet.

Unfortunately I was able to determine that none of my cards are among the small quantity of "290x in disguise" versions - but 29MHs+ hash and temp headroom vs thermal-limiting and perhaps 20MH on some of them makes me a happy kitty!

Why are they cooler? Do you use less voltage? Is yur 290 card, not the 390?

For my 390 cards, when they are 1100/1125, they have about 31.5 MH/s.

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Found (after HOURS of digging) a working link to the stilt bios' for the 290 - and WHAT A DIFFERENCE they make.

Memory clock now optimises at 1250 (possibly less but ATICONFIG still won't let me UNDERclock).
Cards run a TON cooler, can push them to 1100 core (and a lot more hash) and they're STILL 10 degrees cooler than previous "thermal limiting" temps.

That's with the V32 bios - I've not played with any of the others yet.

Unfortunately I was able to determine that none of my cards are among the small quantity of "290x in disguise" versions - but 29MHs+ hash and temp headroom vs thermal-limiting and perhaps 20MH on some of them makes me a happy kitty!

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Quote from: Amph on June 03, 2016, 08:38:19 AM

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Quote from: Amph on June 03, 2016, 06:29:10 AM

and there is not such thing as free power, that is called stealing, not possible here, efficiency matter more for me than initial investment

In my country the power is $0.05 a kwh in the summertime.
A 290x will use $0.3 a day and make $5.
If the power is cut to 130w u save $0.15.

it's cut to 100w which mean 160w saved = almost 4kw a day saved, in your case only $0.2 a day saved = $6 a month saved for each card(if you have a farm, like 100 gpu, this is still huge saving)

but not everyone has 0.05 electricity, for those that have 0.1 or 0.2, consumption matter more

btw were do you live with 0.05 electricty? i know that in some of those place with cheap electricity, their cost of living is high, like in iceland

I am paying $0.12 and only thing that keeps me from running those hawaii's at full power is the heat they generate to my basement. It was nice during winter but not anymore.

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There are a bunch of these already for sale on eBay. So not one person has tried mining ETH with it yet?

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Quote from: Amph on June 03, 2016, 08:38:19 AM

Quote from: sp_ on June 03, 2016, 08:14:34 AM

Quote from: Amph on June 03, 2016, 06:29:10 AM

and there is not such thing as free power, that is called stealing, not possible here, efficiency matter more for me than initial investment

In my country the power is $0.05 a kwh in the summertime.
A 290x will use $0.3 a day and make $5.
If the power is cut to 130w u save $0.15.

it's cut to 100w which mean 160w saved = almost 4kw a day saved, in your case only $0.2 a day saved = $6 a month saved for each card(if you have a farm, like 100 gpu, this is still huge saving)

but not everyone has 0.05 electricity, for those that ahve 0.1 or 0.2, consumption matter more

btw were do you live with 0.05 electricty? i know that in some of those place with cheap electricity, their cost of living is high, like in iceland

I think more important is that you can scale up at the same power budget - that is the most essential - but i agree thst we need to see both 1060 and 480 - 1060 can be new 750ti Wink

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Quote from: sp_ on June 03, 2016, 04:15:45 AM

Wolf0 has optimized etherum to run 7% faster than the opensource already. (85% of the bandwidth limit)

Any evidence?

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Quote from: sp_ on June 03, 2016, 08:14:34 AM

Quote from: Amph on June 03, 2016, 06:29:10 AM

and there is not such thing as free power, that is called stealing, not possible here, efficiency matter more for me than initial investment

In my country the power is $0.05 a kwh in the summertime.
A 290x will use $0.3 a day and make $5.
If the power is cut to 130w u save $0.15.

it's cut to 100w which mean 160w saved = almost 4kw a day saved, in your case only $0.2 a day saved = $6 a month saved for each card(if you have a farm, like 100 gpu, this is still huge saving)

but not everyone has 0.05 electricity, for those that have 0.1 or 0.2, consumption matter more

btw were do you live with 0.05 electricty? i know that in some of those place with cheap electricity, their cost of living is high, like in iceland

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Quote from: Amph on June 03, 2016, 06:29:10 AM

and there is not such thing as free power, that is called stealing, not possible here, efficiency matter more for me than initial investment

In my country the power is $0.05 a kwh in the summertime.
A 290x will use $0.3 a day and make $5.
If the power is cut to 130w u save $0.15.

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Quote from: asdalani on June 03, 2016, 07:51:37 AM

Quote from: Amph on June 03, 2016, 06:29:10 AM

1080 is trash at the moment, 1070 is vastly better, like i said it can do 100w with 27MH

you are comparing 33MH at 260w, to 27MH at 100w, 160w difference is fucking huge, i don't care about initial investment when it is for new gpu that will retain their value for 1 year at least

and there is not such thign as free power, that is called stealing, not possible here, efficiency matter more for me than initial investment

I have 6x R9 nano. They do 158 MH/s with 750 W at the wall. That is similar in efficiency as the 1070. But it is more expensive.

a bit worse, because 6 1070, can do 162MH with 600w + 50w for the system, max would be 650 against 750, and slightly more hashrate

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Quote from: Amph on June 03, 2016, 06:29:10 AM

1080 is trash at the moment, 1070 is vastly better, like i said it can do 100w with 27MH

you are comparing 33MH at 260w, to 27MH at 100w, 160w difference is fucking huge, i don't care about initial investment when it is for new gpu that will retain their value for 1 year at least

and there is not such thign as free power, that is called stealing, not possible here, efficiency matter more for me than initial investment

I have 6x R9 nano. They do 158 MH/s with 750 W at the wall. That is similar in efficiency as the 1070. But it is more expensive.

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1080 is trash at the moment, 1070 is vastly better, like i said it can do 100w with 27MH

you are comparing 33MH at 260w, to 27MH at 100w, 160w difference is fucking huge, i don't care about initial investment when it is for new gpu that will retain their value for 1 year at least

and there is not such thing as free power, that is called stealing, not possible here, efficiency matter more for me than initial investment

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But the price is to high.. A used 290 can do 33MHASH with another algo in dual mining for free with private kernals. Undervolted 260watt.
you pick them up secondhand for $150

Wolf0 has optimized etherum to run 7% faster than the opensource already. (85% of the bandwidth limit)

The 1080 is currently priced at $750 and hash @ 24MHASH if you are lucky. ($3.17 a day in income) (with free power you ROI in 237 days)

You can pickup 5 290 (x) cards for the same price and hash 165MHASH. ($21.78 a day in income) + (3-5$ a day in decred income) = $27 a day (with free power you ROI in 1 month)

Dual mining for NVIDIA is not yet possible..

The etherum net hashrate is currently 3190.3497 GH/s

If we assume that everyone was using the gtx 1080, then we would have 132 932 active gpu's mining 1 alticoin.

To build a gridcomputer with the same hashpower based on the 1080 will cost around $99 698 428 just for the graphic cards. Then you need psu's, cables,psus, etc etc add 30%.
(An investment of 130 million dollars++ to get 50% of the hashrate of 1 altcoin.)

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Quote from: Amph on June 03, 2016, 03:36:47 AM

Quote from: sp_ on June 03, 2016, 03:24:50 AM

The 290 should be able to do 40MHASH but can only do 30. (75% of the the bandwidth limit)
The 390 should be able to do 40MHASH but can only do 30. (75% of the the bandwidth limit)
The 970 should be able to do 30MHASH but it can only do 22. (73.33% of the bandwidth limit)
The 1070 should be able to do 30MHASH but it can only do 24(unverified). (80% of the bandwidth limit)
The 1080 should be able to do 30MHASH but it can only do 24(unverified). (80% of the bandwidth limit)

etc etc. GDDR5 ram is not good for random access. GDDRx is even slower. 1070,1080 is unusable for etherum mining. Top expensive. Too slow.

1070 is doing 26.7MH at 100w, according to an insider, this is good to me, better than any other gpu at the moment

1070 does 3.7 J/MH, the undervolt R9 nano does about 4J/MH. So the 1070 is better. But they are different generation cards.

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Quote from: sp_ on June 03, 2016, 03:24:50 AM

The 290 should be able to do 40MHASH but can only do 30. (75% of the the bandwidth limit)
The 390 should be able to do 40MHASH but can only do 30. (75% of the the bandwidth limit)
The 970 should be able to do 30MHASH but it can only do 22. (73.33% of the bandwidth limit)
The 1070 should be able to do 30MHASH but it can only do 24(unverified). (80% of the bandwidth limit)
The 1080 should be able to do 30MHASH but it can only do 24(unverified). (80% of the bandwidth limit)

etc etc. GDDR5 ram is not good for random access. GDDRx is even slower. 1070,1080 is unusable for etherum mining. Top expensive. Too slow.

1070 is doing 26.7MH at 100w, according to an insider, this is good to me, better than any other gpu at the moment

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The 290 should be able to do 40MHASH but can only do 30. (75% of the the bandwidth limit)
The 390 should be able to do 40MHASH but can only do 30. (75% of the the bandwidth limit)
The 970 should be able to do 30MHASH but it can only do 22. (73.33% of the bandwidth limit)
The 1070 should be able to do 30MHASH but it can only do 24(unverified). (80% of the bandwidth limit)
The 1080 should be able to do 30MHASH but it can only do 24(unverified). (80% of the bandwidth limit)

etc etc. GDDR5 ram is not good for random access. GDDRx is even slower. 1070,1080 is unusable for etherum mining. Top expensive. Too slow.

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Quote from: restless on June 02, 2016, 05:18:59 PM

Quote from: QuintLeo on June 02, 2016, 03:55:49 AM

Quote from: RastoMan on May 31, 2016, 11:28:16 AM

Have you seen anybody achieve the 40 MH/s on the 290 or 390?

Why the 390x is the same speed as the 390?

My 5 x R9 290 cards right now are managing 24-25 MH/s each at best.
1350 mem clock is optimal for them (Sapphire ref boards) - anything more DROPS the hashrate fast, anything less drops it but slowly.
They stock clock at 947 - but when they thermal limit, they go down to about 900 before the hashrate gets impacted, so DEFINITELY memory system limited.

Ballpark 300 watts - have not gotten around to undervolting any of them yet, Real Life keeps getting in the way.

When Ethereum is no longer profitable, they're gonna ROCK RC5-72 - already did a bit of testing. 200kblocks/day out of ONE machine not too shabby for years-old tech.

290 are NOT mem bound, check with GPU-Z how big is memory controller load
800/950 and 900/1100 are optimal core/mem
With good cooling & undervolting one can run 290 at 1000-1050 core, mem at 1200-1300 and get 30MH
I have only 1 such card, undervolted to 0.97V it runs 900/1125 - 25MH, underclocked because is in a case

Well, the Bios is Stilt-modded for reference 290 with additional undervolting

You are right. The 390 is also Core bound. I can run it at 1050/1200 and get around 30MHz. The memory controller is less than 100%.

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Quote from: restless on June 02, 2016, 05:18:59 PM

Quote from: QuintLeo on June 02, 2016, 03:55:49 AM

Quote from: RastoMan on May 31, 2016, 11:28:16 AM

Have you seen anybody achieve the 40 MH/s on the 290 or 390?

My 5 x R9 290 cards right now are managing 24-25 MH/s each at best.
1350 mem clock is optimal for them (Sapphire ref boards) - anything more DROPS the hashrate fast, anything less drops it but slowly.
They stock clock at 947 - but when they thermal limit, they go down to about 900 before the hashrate gets impacted, so DEFINITELY memory system limited.

Ballpark 300 watts - have not gotten around to undervolting any of them yet, Real Life keeps getting in the way.

When Ethereum is no longer profitable, they're gonna ROCK RC5-72 - already did a bit of testing. 200kblocks/day out of ONE machine not too shabby for years-old tech.

290 are NOT mem bound, check with GPU-Z how big is memory controller load
800/950 and 900/1100 are optimal core/mem
With good cooling & undervolting one can run 290 at 1000-1050 core, mem at 1200-1300 and get 30MH
I have only 1 such card, undervolted to 0.97V it runs 900/1125 - 25MH, underclocked because is in a case

Well, the Bios is Stilt-modded for reference 290 with additional undervolting

Don't ASSUME Windows. I don't inflict Windows on any system I use unless I plan to game on it - though I DO wish there was a LINUX version of GPU-Z, I LIKE that utility.

I CAN'T get mine to clock to 800, much less 900 on core, or underclock memory at all - limitation of the bios on the things and ATICONFIG even when I SET the peak clocks lower they IGNORE the settings. Hopefully that's something a bios mod could fix. I've seen the same issue on other R-series cards but NOT on the older 7xxx series cards, where I set the memory clock and core clock down but the card don't STAY there, seems that the more recent cards with "smarter" BIOS are STUPIDER about ignoring the settings I give them because they think they know better than I do what's good for specific applications and don't care that their "smarter" settings make them OVERHEAT.

Only reference I ever found to the Stilt bios mods had BROKEN LINKS, couldn't download any of them to even try undervolting. 8-(
Do you have a reference to them that has working download links?

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Quote from: QuintLeo on June 02, 2016, 03:55:49 AM

Quote from: RastoMan on May 31, 2016, 11:28:16 AM

Have you seen anybody achieve the 40 MH/s on the 290 or 390?

Why the 390x is the same speed as the 390?

My 5 x R9 290 cards right now are managing 24-25 MH/s each at best.
1350 mem clock is optimal for them (Sapphire ref boards) - anything more DROPS the hashrate fast, anything less drops it but slowly.
They stock clock at 947 - but when they thermal limit, they go down to about 900 before the hashrate gets impacted, so DEFINITELY memory system limited.

Ballpark 300 watts - have not gotten around to undervolting any of them yet, Real Life keeps getting in the way.

When Ethereum is no longer profitable, they're gonna ROCK RC5-72 - already did a bit of testing. 200kblocks/day out of ONE machine not too shabby for years-old tech.

290 are NOT mem bound, check with GPU-Z how big is memory controller load
800/950 and 900/1100 are optimal core/mem
With good cooling & undervolting one can run 290 at 1000-1050 core, mem at 1200-1300 and get 30MH
I have only 1 such card, undervolted to 0.97V it runs 900/1125 - 25MH, underclocked because is in a case

Well, the Bios is Stilt-modded for reference 290 with additional undervolting

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The current numbers are lower than the 980ti does on 1290mhz. With my private kernals. But the consumption is 50%

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