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sr. member
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To date, I think pattanan is the only person who has posted decent evidence to support 1070 hash rates.


vaulter says 27mh/s on 1070 but does not post logs, specs, miner settings, etc.  The only thing he posted was a rig of 1080s and a screenshot of something unconfirmed.
His documentation skills have been quite poor.

Not to mention there is reported hashrates of similar or the same GPU hardware with significantly different hashrates.

I'll take this information given as a grain of salt.



In either case, the 1070 is going for $450 and up as of 6.10.16.
Even if it mined 27 mh/s, it would not be profitable @ current eth rate of $14/ether for at least 4.5 months.

At $350 or $450 per card, the 1070 just does not seem to be a good candidate for ethereum mining unless power and cooling issues are a factor.




it does not work like, that the card is immediately profitable from the moment you plug and play, because it give you more money than consumption, much more

reaching roi has nothing to do with this,  because you can always sell your card at any point and have 100% refund basically, since those gpu are still new, they will hold their value for many months if not years


It’s not immediately profitable.  You have a cost of $350 to $450 per card + whatever cost of tax and shipping is incurred.  You also incur business cost of $/kwh.
That’s essentially business cost.

Yes, mining ethereum will currently return more monetary value than the cost of electricity, but it’s still not profit until its monetary value exceeds your infrastructure and operating costs.  Until then what you mine is not profit, its just revenue.  Even then you have to account for exchange fees of 0.25% to 1% in most cases + ~4.5 to 17 cents transfer fees of ethereum and bitcoin systems.

ROI has plenty to do with purchasing and investing in things like this.  Anyone with a good strategy would factor this in ahead of time.    And to think you will get 100% of the GPU purchase price via resale is very unlikely in most cases.




it can be true with old gpu, but not with new gpu, with new gpu there are high chance to sell them again for almost 100% of their original value

I bought a few R9 390 a month ago, it was $378 each. I can buy the same model from the same shop for $280 each. If I sell now, it might be $200 each.
legendary
Activity: 3248
Merit: 1070
To date, I think pattanan is the only person who has posted decent evidence to support 1070 hash rates.


vaulter says 27mh/s on 1070 but does not post logs, specs, miner settings, etc.  The only thing he posted was a rig of 1080s and a screenshot of something unconfirmed.
His documentation skills have been quite poor.

Not to mention there is reported hashrates of similar or the same GPU hardware with significantly different hashrates.

I'll take this information given as a grain of salt.



In either case, the 1070 is going for $450 and up as of 6.10.16.
Even if it mined 27 mh/s, it would not be profitable @ current eth rate of $14/ether for at least 4.5 months.

At $350 or $450 per card, the 1070 just does not seem to be a good candidate for ethereum mining unless power and cooling issues are a factor.




it does not work like, that the card is immediately profitable from the moment you plug and play, because it give you more money than consumption, much more

reaching roi has nothing to do with this,  because you can always sell your card at any point and have 100% refund basically, since those gpu are still new, they will hold their value for many months if not years


It’s not immediately profitable.  You have a cost of $350 to $450 per card + whatever cost of tax and shipping is incurred.  You also incur business cost of $/kwh.
That’s essentially business cost.

Yes, mining ethereum will currently return more monetary value than the cost of electricity, but it’s still not profit until its monetary value exceeds your infrastructure and operating costs.  Until then what you mine is not profit, its just revenue.  Even then you have to account for exchange fees of 0.25% to 1% in most cases + ~4.5 to 17 cents transfer fees of ethereum and bitcoin systems.

ROI has plenty to do with purchasing and investing in things like this.  Anyone with a good strategy would factor this in ahead of time.    And to think you will get 100% of the GPU purchase price via resale is very unlikely in most cases.




it can be true with old gpu, but not with new gpu, with new gpu there are high chance to sell them again for almost 100% of their original value
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
To date, I think pattanan is the only person who has posted decent evidence to support 1070 hash rates.


vaulter says 27mh/s on 1070 but does not post logs, specs, miner settings, etc.  The only thing he posted was a rig of 1080s and a screenshot of something unconfirmed.
His documentation skills have been quite poor.

Not to mention there is reported hashrates of similar or the same GPU hardware with significantly different hashrates.

I'll take this information given as a grain of salt.



In either case, the 1070 is going for $450 and up as of 6.10.16.
Even if it mined 27 mh/s, it would not be profitable @ current eth rate of $14/ether for at least 4.5 months.

At $350 or $450 per card, the 1070 just does not seem to be a good candidate for ethereum mining unless power and cooling issues are a factor.




it does not work like, that the card is immediately profitable from the moment you plug and play, because it give you more money than consumption, much more

reaching roi has nothing to do with this,  because you can always sell your card at any point and have 100% refund basically, since those gpu are still new, they will hold their value for many months if not years


It’s not immediately profitable.  You have a cost of $350 to $450 per card + whatever cost of tax and shipping is incurred.  You also incur business cost of $/kwh.
That’s essentially business cost.

Yes, mining ethereum will currently return more monetary value than the cost of electricity, but it’s still not profit until its monetary value exceeds your infrastructure and operating costs.  Until then what you mine is not profit, its just revenue.  Even then you have to account for exchange fees of 0.25% to 1% in most cases + ~4.5 to 17 cents transfer fees of ethereum and bitcoin systems.

ROI has plenty to do with purchasing and investing in things like this.  Anyone with a good strategy would factor this in ahead of time.    And to think you will get 100% of the GPU purchase price via resale is very unlikely in most cases.


legendary
Activity: 3248
Merit: 1070
To date, I think pattanan is the only person who has posted decent evidence to support 1070 hash rates.


vaulter says 27mh/s on 1070 but does not post logs, specs, miner settings, etc.  The only thing he posted was a rig of 1080s and a screenshot of something unconfirmed.
His documentation skills have been quite poor.

Not to mention there is reported hashrates of similar or the same GPU hardware with significantly different hashrates.

I'll take this information given as a grain of salt.



In either case, the 1070 is going for $450 and up as of 6.10.16.
Even if it mined 27 mh/s, it would not be profitable @ current eth rate of $14/ether for at least 4.5 months.

At $350 or $450 per card, the 1070 just does not seem to be a good candidate for ethereum mining unless power and cooling issues are a factor.




it does not work like, that the card is immediately profitable from the moment you plug and play, because it give you more money than consumption, much more

reaching roi has nothing to do with this,  because you can always sell your card at any point and have 100% refund basically, since those gpu are still new, they will hold their value for many months if not years
sr. member
Activity: 560
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vaulter says 27mh/s on 1070 but does not post logs, specs, miner settings, etc.  The only thing he posted was a rig of 1080s and a screenshot of something unconfirmed.
His documentation skills have been quite poor.


That would be an understatement  Roll Eyes
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
To date, I think pattanan is the only person who has posted decent evidence to support 1070 hash rates.


vaulter says 27mh/s on 1070 but does not post logs, specs, miner settings, etc.  The only thing he posted was a rig of 1080s and a screenshot of something unconfirmed.
His documentation skills have been quite poor.

Not to mention there is reported hashrates of similar or the same GPU hardware with significantly different hashrates.

I'll take this information given as a grain of salt.



In either case, the 1070 is going for $450 and up as of 6.10.16.
Even if it mined 27 mh/s, it would not be profitable @ current eth rate of $14/ether for at least 4.5 months.

At $350 or $450 per card, the 1070 just does not seem to be a good candidate for ethereum mining unless power and cooling issues are a factor.


legendary
Activity: 2408
Merit: 1102
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 The AMD Nano/Fury line are all MUCH higher core count, faster clocks, faster memory, MUCH wider memory bus - and mine SLOWER than my 2-generation old R9 290s, which routinely see 30 MH and I've not pushed them as far as they CAN go (best figure I've seen for the Nano was 27).

 There appears to be more than just pure "memory bandwidth" involved in how fast Ethereum can be mined by a given model of GPU.

Fury-x can do around 32mh/s on ethereum + 1700mh/s on decred simultaneaously with claymore dual miner. Nano just a little bit less (for nano http://mininghwcomparison.com/list/index.php?brand=amd)


 Stock clocks, or overclocked?

 Efficiency on the Fury/Nano is very good from everything I've seen, but still not impressive that a card with a ton more memory bandwidth and almost twice the Stream units is so poor on hashrate compared to a 2 generation old card.

 Is that 32Mh at stock clocks, or overclocked?



So for the Fury/nano cards, is it better to dual mine so that the core processors can be utilised fullly?

I foudn that dual mining lowers the eth hashrate unless you are downlocked to 800 core to save power then it makes no difference.

right now i can only dual mine with the modded rom at 23.6 mhs eth and 1200 mhs of DCR for 135 or watts.

eth only is still 24 mhs at 80 watts
legendary
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That's the first logical response I have seen. Now my guess is that like going from DDR3 to DDR4, the latency goes up, and if bandwidth can't overcome that, well that is why good DDR3 2133 is faster than normal DDR4 2133. So my guess is that gddr5x runs faster but has higher latency than gddr5, but then it wouldn't make sense for Nvidia to do that as latency is very important as well as bandwidth. My guess is that windows or drivers are crippling the 1080 right now, that should change.
1080 is graphics card made for playing games. Usually latency is not such big issue there, because typical workload is working on tons of textures and running same shader code on lots and lots of pixels.
And there is always something else to shade while waiting for that data.
So for games GDDR5X is great.
legendary
Activity: 1848
Merit: 1018
1070 mh/s with ethereum ? , work on windows 10 x64 ? .
Read up - 27mhs at 100w
Win 10 will be available with July update or Insider preview build next week...

that hash is only where, on linux? what about win 7?
Linux and Win 10
Dont know about win 7 - maybe they release the driver for that..

Very good! only 100w!!! Thanks!

And Gtx 1080 ? .

The GTX 1080 is slower than the 1070 in mining the Ethereum. There is no point in getting that for mining.
You are confused. There is no way the 1080 can be slower than the 1070. It is impossible, 1080 has more cores, faster memory, and wider memory bus. Don't be an idiot. If someone tested a 1080 as slower than a 1070, then there are software issues.

Do you mine? Have you used 1080 or 1070 to mine? If you have mined with those cards, you would not say that.
I don't need to mine with them to say that. The 1070 is just a 1080 with some of the cores disabled and slower memory and memory bus. There is no freaking way  a 1070 mines faster than a 1080, period. Unless their is some massive overclock on the 1070 and the correct software/drivers and the 1080 has shit software and drivers. Wake up dude, just cuz someone posts something doesn't mean it is true. There are a lot of variables in every mining rig but the bottom line is if you put a 1080 in the same exact rig it is going to mine faster than a 1070.
That is a nice position - but youll have to wait 1 week tops when some else will post the 1070 results
The reason 1080 is slower in eth right now (it might change in future, hopefully) is the gddr5x memory config - its different to gddr5 and in this case its slower than 1070 its also slower in neoscrypt - all the other compute algos are faster of course
That's the first logical response I have seen. Now my guess is that like going from DDR3 to DDR4, the latency goes up, and if bandwidth can't overcome that, well that is why good DDR3 2133 is faster than normal DDR4 2133. So my guess is that gddr5x runs faster but has higher latency than gddr5, but then it wouldn't make sense for Nvidia to do that as latency is very important as well as bandwidth. My guess is that windows or drivers are crippling the 1080 right now, that should change.
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 Stock clocks, or overclocked?

 Efficiency on the Fury/Nano is very good from everything I've seen, but still not impressive that a card with a ton more memory bandwidth and almost twice the Stream units is so poor on hashrate compared to a 2 generation old card.

 Is that 32Mh at stock clocks, or overclocked?



Stock (30mh for me)


     Which model is at question and how many hashes overclocking?

For the R9 nano, there is no difference between the model/brands, they are all stock, only difference is the brand name.
legendary
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I have order gtx 1070 , i hope to have Monday .

The best program and coin to mine with this ? .
hero member
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 Stock clocks, or overclocked?

 Efficiency on the Fury/Nano is very good from everything I've seen, but still not impressive that a card with a ton more memory bandwidth and almost twice the Stream units is so poor on hashrate compared to a 2 generation old card.

 Is that 32Mh at stock clocks, or overclocked?



Stock (30mh for me)


     Which model is at question and how many hashes overclocking?
full member
Activity: 148
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 The AMD Nano/Fury line are all MUCH higher core count, faster clocks, faster memory, MUCH wider memory bus - and mine SLOWER than my 2-generation old R9 290s, which routinely see 30 MH and I've not pushed them as far as they CAN go (best figure I've seen for the Nano was 27).

 There appears to be more than just pure "memory bandwidth" involved in how fast Ethereum can be mined by a given model of GPU.

Fury-x can do around 32mh/s on ethereum + 1700mh/s on decred simultaneaously with claymore dual miner. Nano just a little bit less (for nano http://mininghwcomparison.com/list/index.php?brand=amd)


 Stock clocks, or overclocked?

 Efficiency on the Fury/Nano is very good from everything I've seen, but still not impressive that a card with a ton more memory bandwidth and almost twice the Stream units is so poor on hashrate compared to a 2 generation old card.

 Is that 32Mh at stock clocks, or overclocked?



So for the Fury/nano cards, is it better to dual mine so that the core processors can be utilised fullly?
full member
Activity: 239
Merit: 100

 Stock clocks, or overclocked?

 Efficiency on the Fury/Nano is very good from everything I've seen, but still not impressive that a card with a ton more memory bandwidth and almost twice the Stream units is so poor on hashrate compared to a 2 generation old card.

 Is that 32Mh at stock clocks, or overclocked?



Stock (30mh for me)

legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1030

 The AMD Nano/Fury line are all MUCH higher core count, faster clocks, faster memory, MUCH wider memory bus - and mine SLOWER than my 2-generation old R9 290s, which routinely see 30 MH and I've not pushed them as far as they CAN go (best figure I've seen for the Nano was 27).

 There appears to be more than just pure "memory bandwidth" involved in how fast Ethereum can be mined by a given model of GPU.

Fury-x can do around 32mh/s on ethereum + 1700mh/s on decred simultaneaously with claymore dual miner. Nano just a little bit less (for nano http://mininghwcomparison.com/list/index.php?brand=amd)


 Stock clocks, or overclocked?

 Efficiency on the Fury/Nano is very good from everything I've seen, but still not impressive that a card with a ton more memory bandwidth and almost twice the Stream units is so poor on hashrate compared to a 2 generation old card.

 Is that 32Mh at stock clocks, or overclocked?

full member
Activity: 174
Merit: 100
1070 mh/s with ethereum ? , work on windows 10 x64 ? .
Read up - 27mhs at 100w
Win 10 will be available with July update or Insider preview build next week...

that hash is only where, on linux? what about win 7?
Linux and Win 10
Dont know about win 7 - maybe they release the driver for that..

Very good! only 100w!!! Thanks!

And Gtx 1080 ? .

The GTX 1080 is slower than the 1070 in mining the Ethereum. There is no point in getting that for mining.
You are confused. There is no way the 1080 can be slower than the 1070. It is impossible, 1080 has more cores, faster memory, and wider memory bus. Don't be an idiot. If someone tested a 1080 as slower than a 1070, then there are software issues.

Do you mine? Have you used 1080 or 1070 to mine? If you have mined with those cards, you would not say that.
I don't need to mine with them to say that. The 1070 is just a 1080 with some of the cores disabled and slower memory and memory bus. There is no freaking way  a 1070 mines faster than a 1080, period. Unless their is some massive overclock on the 1070 and the correct software/drivers and the 1080 has shit software and drivers. Wake up dude, just cuz someone posts something doesn't mean it is true. There are a lot of variables in every mining rig but the bottom line is if you put a 1080 in the same exact rig it is going to mine faster than a 1070.
That is a nice position - but youll have to wait 1 week tops when some else will post the 1070 results
The reason 1080 is slower in eth right now (it might change in future, hopefully) is the gddr5x memory config - its different to gddr5 and in this case its slower than 1070 its also slower in neoscrypt - all the other compute algos are faster of course
legendary
Activity: 1848
Merit: 1018
1070 mh/s with ethereum ? , work on windows 10 x64 ? .
Read up - 27mhs at 100w
Win 10 will be available with July update or Insider preview build next week...

that hash is only where, on linux? what about win 7?
Linux and Win 10
Dont know about win 7 - maybe they release the driver for that..

Very good! only 100w!!! Thanks!

And Gtx 1080 ? .

The GTX 1080 is slower than the 1070 in mining the Ethereum. There is no point in getting that for mining.
You are confused. There is no way the 1080 can be slower than the 1070. It is impossible, 1080 has more cores, faster memory, and wider memory bus. Don't be an idiot. If someone tested a 1080 as slower than a 1070, then there are software issues.

Do you mine? Have you used 1080 or 1070 to mine? If you have mined with those cards, you would not say that.
I don't need to mine with them to say that. The 1070 is just a 1080 with some of the cores disabled and slower memory and memory bus. There is no freaking way  a 1070 mines faster than a 1080, period. Unless their is some massive overclock on the 1070 and the correct software/drivers and the 1080 has shit software and drivers. Wake up dude, just cuz someone posts something doesn't mean it is true. There are a lot of variables in every mining rig but the bottom line is if you put a 1080 in the same exact rig it is going to mine faster than a 1070.
sr. member
Activity: 445
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1070 mh/s with ethereum ? , work on windows 10 x64 ? .
Read up - 27mhs at 100w
Win 10 will be available with July update or Insider preview build next week...

that hash is only where, on linux? what about win 7?
Linux and Win 10
Dont know about win 7 - maybe they release the driver for that..

Very good! only 100w!!! Thanks!

And Gtx 1080 ? .

The GTX 1080 is slower than the 1070 in mining the Ethereum. There is no point in getting that for mining.
You are confused. There is no way the 1080 can be slower than the 1070. It is impossible, 1080 has more cores, faster memory, and wider memory bus. Don't be an idiot. If someone tested a 1080 as slower than a 1070, then there are software issues.

 The AMD Nano/Fury line are all MUCH higher core count, faster clocks, faster memory, MUCH wider memory bus - and mine SLOWER than my 2-generation old R9 290s, which routinely see 30 MH and I've not pushed them as far as they CAN go (best figure I've seen for the Nano was 27).

 There appears to be more than just pure "memory bandwidth" involved in how fast Ethereum can be mined by a given model of GPU.

Fury-x can do around 32mh/s on ethereum + 1700mh/s on decred simultaneaously with claymore dual miner. Nano just a little bit less (for nano http://mininghwcomparison.com/list/index.php?brand=amd)
newbie
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 The AMD Nano/Fury line are all MUCH higher core count, faster clocks, faster memory, MUCH wider memory bus - and mine SLOWER than my 2-generation old R9 290s, which routinely see 30 MH and I've not pushed them as far as they CAN go (best figure I've seen for the Nano was 27).

 There appears to be more than just pure "memory bandwidth" involved in how fast Ethereum can be mined by a given model of GPU.

With bios mod Fury go upto ~ 35MH, using less power than 290

The Nano is more efficient than the R9 390 even both with undervolt and under clock. It is about 20-40% more efficient.
hero member
Activity: 546
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 The AMD Nano/Fury line are all MUCH higher core count, faster clocks, faster memory, MUCH wider memory bus - and mine SLOWER than my 2-generation old R9 290s, which routinely see 30 MH and I've not pushed them as far as they CAN go (best figure I've seen for the Nano was 27).

 There appears to be more than just pure "memory bandwidth" involved in how fast Ethereum can be mined by a given model of GPU.

With bios mod Fury go upto ~ 35MH, using less power than 290

The Nano chips are handpicked Fury XT chips. They consume lower power than the Fury XT and also 390.
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