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Topic: [HYP] Let's take a closer look at HyperStake HYPER SCAM - page 18. (Read 23360 times)

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We are the first to program your future (c)
everyone ignore this thread. don't waste your time.
legendary
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TruckCoin ? ahhahahha
nice find i had no idea..

This is just a classic example of not doing your own research. Plain and simple. Oh well......

my research was asking (over and over for a week) the dev and 30 other loud obnoxious spamming supporters who avoided telling me on Poloniex's chat box.
if asking the coin dev directly is not research then what the fuck is ?

plain and simple ohh well........................................ Wink
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This took an unexpected twist. I am unaware of David's other conquests...

i was saying this before and it's obvious regardless if you pin down EXACTLY which coin name(s) is his.. it don't matter.
this is called deception.
for every new clone/fork (change it just enough to call it a fork) he will change his name/alias and start the whole hype and dump process all over again.
and it's funny like i said in detail on another topic is he has said word for word what Shakezulu or the guys who supposedly have taken over ALL of that guys coins
are speaking the same way saying the same excuse(s) word for word.. such as He is experimenting and doing it for fun..
in shakezuklu's coin cloning tutorial he said he does it for "fun and profit" just like you know who..

if there is a wolf eating your sheep every night do you care if it's the same exact one as the last time your sheep got eaten ?
their whole game is to lure people into the you can't figure out who i am crap (or link them to past scam-coins) to cause diversions and deflect claims against them.
we know though.. regardless of the massive amounts of deception.. and leading people on by leaving out info on purpose etc..

so which mass cloner is he ? and does it really matter ?
well it doesn't for me because it's shit i doubt i would buy into..

but new guys may want to know though.. they may actually believe the portrayal of a legit coin "dev" who just made his first coin.
they may not say it but they lead people to believe a lot bullshit.. leading around gullible bag holders who want a profit. (who do not want the truth)
and i say would ALL of these bag holders still invest if they knew the guy had been behind 12 other clones ? many of which scams.. (more like 120 actually)

you guys realize if your caught scamming here they will post the next coin they have prepared right ?
and leave your ass's high and dry holding the bag.. cough cough Memory Coin by FreeTrade / Bitshares / PTS guy and many more  Roll Eyes
then sometimes to add insult to injury they will do what FreeTrade did and officially declare the coin dead... and end the coin
then.. buy up cheap coins then re-launch it way later and lure in guys in all over again then dump it all and kill the coin again
and YES he actually fucking did that and NONE of you cared and kissed his ass while he did it too ! ..be ashamed guys, that is pathetic.

I was told last year before OCT-2013 by one guy he had 10 coins complete and ready to upload to this forum.
Most of you newer greedy scam coin supporters here have NO clue just how bad this scammy bullshit really is.
Want me to put it into perspective ?

I have mentioned the guy who had 10 coins made before and i never have nor will i out him and say his name.
why ?
Because on a scale of how bad a coin cloner he is compared to the other greedy corrupt asshole cloners around here he is like 1% out of 100% bad
the guy is NO where near as bad as most of these other anonymous name changing coward ""fork"" posters that swirl around like vultures.

I have more respect i have said before for guys who steal Bitcoin on trades or hackers who steal coins or even malware spreaders
than i do these coin cloning pricks.. i have seen the depths of deceit, corruption and back stabbing & greed go to colossal levels i never knew people were capable of.
and the people who fumble over themslevs to support them to make a quick buck are not far behind.. you should be ashamed of yourselves.. your pathetic !

you cloners and your supporters ruined the scene bad.. no big crowd is coming and most guys have left already and it's because of you pricks !

and funny enough it was all done to cash it to Bitcoin and in the process you made Bitcoin (and ALL of us) look far worse than it/we did compared to mid-2013.
That is called shooting yourself in the foot and MY feet !
And even funnier is you cloners could have made 100x more profit easily by sticking with a coin or two and attracting heavy weight investors into crypto
instead of taking a shit all over it and chasing them away.. smart people with big money would come here and laugh and walk away instantly..
i know i almost walked away when i registered my account like a year and a half ago, i was disgusted how bad the scene was THEN
and back then compared to NOW we were all little angels Hhhahaha
Back then guys would actually avoid a new coin until it was verified and proven legit thoroughly.. unlike now where ponzi-lovers dive on it ASAP !

The crowd of brats flooded in OCT-2013.. most left but the ones that stayed were the sleaziest of them all and many of the old time Altcoiner's
stayed too to make sure to pander to the corruption machine ponzi-fest.. gotta feed your greedy lemmings with non-stop shit coins for Lambo's..

HYP ? ..pure bullshit .
The dev ? a mass coin cloner.. propped up by the people who surround him, including bag holders, exchanges and mods etc who all want a slice of the pie.
no matter how self destructive it is to ALL of us !

If you believe in crypto guys i urge you to stop supporting those corrosive toxic losers in our scene.
A bitcoin profit is nothing compared to have credibility in the scene and each guy making 100 bitcoin later.. use your brains !
and cloners.. cut the crap and quit playing stupid, the idiots are long gone.. all of us here know damn well what is going on so don't insult our intelligence  Roll Eyes
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Thank you David for your gracious presence. Doublespeak much?


maybe you just read what you wanted to read. I quoted cycoinminer.

haha - my quotes are becoming famous now eh?

David was just quoting what I wrote, just in a slightly different way I see..... I was writing my gains in fiat, but in all fairness I've sold next to nothing of my interest anyway.

Personally, I got into HYP because I saw the ANN on HYP early on - at the time I was doing a LOT of reading of the threads, and also I'd seen David & Presstab's work before and was impressed by their maturity and development skills.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7697257

This gives you an idea how early I got into HYP.

There was NEVER any hiding the fact where HYP came from. Ever. Just because it wasn't mentioned 24/7, doesn't mean it wasn't there, although the early days it was discussed a lot.... people were making sure they had their TRK in their own wallets before the fork - I remember it well.

Like every coin, there's going to be winners, and losers. It's all a matter of timing, when you choose to invest, on what grounds you make those decisions, etc etc..... I've bought some total crap before I put a little bit of money into HYP.
Has it been my best investment to date? Definitely.
Can I retire from it? No.

TruckCoin ? ahhahahha
nice find i had no idea..

This is just a classic example of not doing your own research. Plain and simple. Oh well......
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Could someone translate the OP's allegation to me? I really don't understand...what is his point?

Disclaimer: I don't own any HYP, I am just trying to understand.

I apologize if I wasn't clear..

The point is that the coin distribution is fraudulent. Forking a coin into a new one is fine, the issue here is that these guys KNEW they were going to fork TRK days/weeks beforehand..  yet they only posted the ANN hours before the actual fork was to happen. This means that for days/weeks, the scammers knew any TRK they owned would entitle them to free HYP, and were free to accumulate TRK unnoticed...

I don't see how this is any different than releasing a cpu only coin, while the devs have a GPU miner.


Thanks for answering but that much was obvious. I just don't really see how this qualifies as a scam. Get real. There are real scammers here, real criminals. Make yourself useful and try to find them instead of going all hysterical on some not-so-important coin, no offense.

Same goes for that Canadian clown.

Anyway sorry I wasted your time (and mine)

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We are the first to program your future (c)
Yes, I'm a bagholder and I help this coin to grow and I'm not going to stop. We see this project as the part of the future (it's something you can't understand, because you think with archaic stereotypes, you even didn't read the materials).

Grow where? What future?
You are either a bagholder who hasn't realized his profit or just plain delusional.
Hyperstake isn't going anywhere. Its developers and cronies made over a 1000% in profit based on a simple fork.
When people buy Hyperstake, they are just giving David, you and other bagholders pure profit.
Which credible merchant will be crazy enough to use this coin as a payment option?
Which credible investor will be crazy enough to invest in a coin with a shady dev with a bagful of other coins around his belt?
If crypto is regulated like stocks, David and the lot of you will be rotting in jail by now.

It's the new word in cryptocurrency emission. It will replace ecologically unfriendly PoW mining with PoS mining, it will replace $10k miners that get outdated in 2 months. I won't go deep in details, I see no reasons to open your wide open eyes. It's you going anywhere, we are inventors. No one of us makes 1000% profits, may be except of some allowance.
I won't open you our plans about merchants. It's obvious that you are a rival.
People like you make devs to be shady.
Crypto isn't regulated like stocks, it's commodity in US, like matchboxes. If you don't like our matchboxes, don't buy them. You are also aware of risks of buying it. There are also no guarantees, that you won't have loss from this purchase. Don't forget about defamation.
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i think some missed out and is alittle upset. Grin
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For information: if you notice something factually wrong here, please report it to me. Otherwise, let fudders give us free publicity; it is always appreciated to increase volume, which leads to lesser volatility and wider adoption, which in turn are fundamental for continuing experimenting on a grander scale.

David, when has any of your coins gained "wider adoption"?
How many coins have you had a hand in? Eleven? Does that sound about right?
All your coins are just made for exchanges. Everyone knows this, even your bagholders know this.
You're a cloner. That's it. You make money for yourself and your pals at the expense of the trusting, voiceless majority.
You're part of the disease that is holding back crypto.

No matter how many times you proclaim how important you are in crypto, no matter how many times you post links of your simple-minded comments to Polo's trollbox trying to impress some noob, people know who you are, David.

I know for a fact that even some members of the Monero team are embarrassed to be associated with you, David.

Yes, I'm a bagholder and I help this coin to grow and I'm not going to stop. We see this project as the part of the future (it's something you can't understand, because you think with archaic stereotypes, you even didn't read the materials).

Grow where? What future?
You are either a bagholder who hasn't realized his profit or just plain delusional.
Hyperstake isn't going anywhere. Its developers and cronies made over a 1000% in profit based on a simple fork.
When people buy Hyperstake, they are just giving David, you and other bagholders pure profit.
Which credible merchant will be crazy enough to use this coin as a payment option?
Which credible investor will be crazy enough to invest in a coin with a shady dev with a bagful of other coins around his belt?
If crypto is regulated like stocks, David and the lot of you will be rotting in jail by now.




This took an unexpected twist. I am unaware of David's other conquests...
sr. member
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We are the first to program your future (c)
iantunc, bottom line is if these guys were honest they wouldn't try to bury information like they've done by editing out the fork date in the ANN.. This kind of behaviour screams scam and if you can't hear it, it's because you don't want to listen.

presstab's response in this thread pretty much amounts to "oops, coulda woulda shoulda.. didn't know HYP would be so big" riiight.. He's the cliche super friendly leader in the trollbox, tipping people for the stupidest reasons etc. This is again typical scam behavior. Spend some time in the polo box and see how quick his attitude gets ugly when anyone questions his beloved HyperScam, and watch as the henchmen David & Co. begin to appear in the box to defend their shitcoin.

A scam is someones intended action(s) or lack of action(s) that leads to money loss of another person(s) in the interests of a scammer. Did you lose money from some actions? Can you prove it? Can you prove intended actions? Can you prove a malicious interest (stop repeating about unfair distribution, it's ridiculous). This kind of behavior tells everyone that you just want to insult this coin, finding any possible reason.  
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For information: if you notice something factually wrong here, please report it to me. Otherwise, let fudders give us free publicity; it is always appreciated to increase volume, which leads to lesser volatility and wider adoption, which in turn are fundamental for continuing experimenting on a grander scale.

David, when has any of your coins gained "wider adoption"?
How many coins have you had a hand in? Eleven? Does that sound about right?
All your coins are just made for exchanges. Everyone knows this, even your bagholders know this.
You're a cloner. That's it. You make money for yourself and your pals at the expense of the trusting, voiceless majority.
You're part of the disease that is holding back crypto.

No matter how many times you proclaim how important you are in crypto, no matter how many times you post links of your simple-minded comments to Polo's trollbox trying to impress some noob, people know who you are, David.

I know for a fact that even some members of the Monero team are embarrassed to be associated with you, David.

Yes, I'm a bagholder and I help this coin to grow and I'm not going to stop. We see this project as the part of the future (it's something you can't understand, because you think with archaic stereotypes, you even didn't read the materials).

Grow where? What future?
You are either a bagholder who hasn't realized his profit or just plain delusional.
Hyperstake isn't going anywhere. Its developers and cronies made over a 1000% in profit based on a simple fork.
When people buy Hyperstake, they are just giving David, you and other bagholders pure profit.
Which credible merchant will be crazy enough to use this coin as a payment option?
Which credible investor will be crazy enough to invest in a coin with a shady dev with a bagful of other coins around his belt?
If crypto is regulated like stocks, David and the lot of you will be rotting in jail by now.


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Don't worry it was just a sarcastic conversation on the troll box.


95 waxo
2014-10-13 19:56:14 UTC   presstab at 10K you gonna dump your million ?

109 presstab
2014-10-13 19:56:40 UTC   waxo, once it is 1 USD per coin i will sell my million

95 waxo
2014-10-13 19:56:52 UTC   presstab, ahahaha Smiley

75 bitmaster
2014-10-13 19:58:32 UTC   presstab, if it hits 1 USD id be very happy

95 waxo
2014-10-13 19:58:54 UTC   even 0.10 everyone is happy

75 bitmaster
2014-10-13 19:59:58 UTC   waxo, really hoping for .25 cent

109 presstab
2014-10-13 20:00:27 UTC   bitmaster, 25 cents would be great

32 locohammerhead
2014-10-13 20:00:55 UTC   bitmaster if HYP hits 1 USD im going to be throwing a party

7 CrazyLoaf
2014-10-13 20:01:00 UTC   there's no reason to ever sell all your HYP

109 presstab
2014-10-13 20:01:40 UTC   if HYP hits 1 USD I will fly the trollboxers out to my penthouse and let them all drive me lambo

75 bitmaster
2014-10-13 20:02:07 UTC   presstab, so much Yes!

6 Kingdiem1019
2014-10-13 20:02:24 UTC   presstab, im holding you to that...

32 locohammerhead
2014-10-13 20:04:04 UTC   If hyp hits 1 USD I im taking all my friends (A huge 2 people) on an epic night full of strip clubs, good food, beer and any thing else anybody could think o

7 mrhangjas5
2014-10-13 20:06:26 UTC   If hyp hits 1 dollar i buy my own house and some land to be self sufficient with my own food and stuff.



impressive you still have that convo haha

polonibox.com Smiley

haha that's awesome. 
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Don't worry it was just a sarcastic conversation on the troll box.


95 waxo
2014-10-13 19:56:14 UTC   presstab at 10K you gonna dump your million ?

109 presstab
2014-10-13 19:56:40 UTC   waxo, once it is 1 USD per coin i will sell my million

95 waxo
2014-10-13 19:56:52 UTC   presstab, ahahaha Smiley

75 bitmaster
2014-10-13 19:58:32 UTC   presstab, if it hits 1 USD id be very happy

95 waxo
2014-10-13 19:58:54 UTC   even 0.10 everyone is happy

75 bitmaster
2014-10-13 19:59:58 UTC   waxo, really hoping for .25 cent

109 presstab
2014-10-13 20:00:27 UTC   bitmaster, 25 cents would be great

32 locohammerhead
2014-10-13 20:00:55 UTC   bitmaster if HYP hits 1 USD im going to be throwing a party

7 CrazyLoaf
2014-10-13 20:01:00 UTC   there's no reason to ever sell all your HYP

109 presstab
2014-10-13 20:01:40 UTC   if HYP hits 1 USD I will fly the trollboxers out to my penthouse and let them all drive me lambo

75 bitmaster
2014-10-13 20:02:07 UTC   presstab, so much Yes!

6 Kingdiem1019
2014-10-13 20:02:24 UTC   presstab, im holding you to that...

32 locohammerhead
2014-10-13 20:04:04 UTC   If hyp hits 1 USD I im taking all my friends (A huge 2 people) on an epic night full of strip clubs, good food, beer and any thing else anybody could think o

7 mrhangjas5
2014-10-13 20:06:26 UTC   If hyp hits 1 dollar i buy my own house and some land to be self sufficient with my own food and stuff.



impressive you still have that convo haha

polonibox.com Smiley
legendary
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iantunc, bottom line is if these guys were honest they wouldn't try to bury information like they've done by editing out the fork date in the ANN.. This kind of behaviour screams scam and if you can't hear it, it's because you don't want to listen.

presstab's response in this thread pretty much amounts to "oops, coulda woulda shoulda.. didn't know HYP would be so big" riiight.. He's the cliche super friendly leader in the trollbox, tipping people for the stupidest reasons etc. This is again typical scam behavior. Spend some time in the polo box and see how quickly his attitude becomes ugly when anyone questions his beloved HyperScam, and watch as the henchmen David & Co. begin to appear in the box to defend their shitcoin.

I wish I could just get you to read the OP that you seem to know so much about. You can actually read the forking taking place.... and how it took longer than expected (thus the change in time).  And also I am sorry if I am too friendly and have too much fun with the friends I have made in crypto... Huh lol this is getting better by the moment buddy.


Update for everyone... The mature block I was saving to stake the forked block with... acidentally staked a few blocks before the fork time - just our luck.

I have a block that is less stake weight that is competing with the network to stake and once it gets the stake it should fork it with the new value.  Feel free to also try to get the first forked block. You can use my version of the .exe - right now it still uses the truckcoin appdata directory, so back it up first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please beware this is just a temporary version of the wallet.

Use at your own risk - and startup with the switch -connect=192.241.233.70

REMOVED

How do we know when the coin has forked? And do we have an ETA on a complied Windows wallet? I do not know how to do that stuff myself.

Right now they are both still the same coin. I had a block ready to stake right away but I accidentally let it stake right before the switch in the code. So now I have to wait for the next stake.

It could take an hour or it could take a day. So just be patient for now and check back in a bit. I have to be AFK for a few hours and will check back to see if it finally stakes.

Anyone else with mature blocks can attempt to fork with the new wallet as well.

With the most recent commit you will need to connect to the node I listed above in order to get any connections. We are waiting at block 31716 until we generate our own HYP block 31717. We have mature blocks be hashed, not sure how long it will take. We might even have to do some updates to the code to get it to take the updates easier.

The TRK is still moving so if you are passed block 31716 you are on TRK.

All other builds are now somewhat obsolete as they aren't able to connect to the update client unless rebuilt.  So just sit back and relax and check back in a day.  You aren't missing out on any action trust me.


So should we hold off selling our TRK coins for now or can we sell them if we want (have wallet.dat file saved)?

Hold you TRK until we have the first block.

Does this mean people could still buy TRK and get HYP?

Well right now we are on block 31716 for HYP and TRK is passed that.  So right now anything on the TRK chain is already passed that block and won't carry over.  We are trying to fork from this block, but I am not going to promise anything.

Alright the moment we have all been waiting for!! Block 31781 is a HYP block, its own chain will be maintained from here. And as you can see I hit the max subsidy!!  It is working folks.  The wallet still sucks! I know this and will roll out some changes on it and sort out the datadir issue. Enjoy HyperStakers!!
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I watch TEKs & wanted to buy. waited & waited for price coming down. Then price crash and i think i should buy. Then look at thread & lot of problems with wallet and biomek the dev did not fix. I have hypcoin now instead. Devs always fix problem  Undecided

You think scam ---- i think good.

The technology side is good; the wallet is excellent.

It's the initial distribution and deception that make this a scam. A shame, really.
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Don't worry it was just a sarcastic conversation on the troll box.


95 waxo
2014-10-13 19:56:14 UTC   presstab at 10K you gonna dump your million ?

109 presstab
2014-10-13 19:56:40 UTC   waxo, once it is 1 USD per coin i will sell my million

95 waxo
2014-10-13 19:56:52 UTC   presstab, ahahaha Smiley

75 bitmaster
2014-10-13 19:58:32 UTC   presstab, if it hits 1 USD id be very happy

95 waxo
2014-10-13 19:58:54 UTC   even 0.10 everyone is happy

75 bitmaster
2014-10-13 19:59:58 UTC   waxo, really hoping for .25 cent

109 presstab
2014-10-13 20:00:27 UTC   bitmaster, 25 cents would be great

32 locohammerhead
2014-10-13 20:00:55 UTC   bitmaster if HYP hits 1 USD im going to be throwing a party

7 CrazyLoaf
2014-10-13 20:01:00 UTC   there's no reason to ever sell all your HYP

109 presstab
2014-10-13 20:01:40 UTC   if HYP hits 1 USD I will fly the trollboxers out to my penthouse and let them all drive me lambo

75 bitmaster
2014-10-13 20:02:07 UTC   presstab, so much Yes!

6 Kingdiem1019
2014-10-13 20:02:24 UTC   presstab, im holding you to that...

32 locohammerhead
2014-10-13 20:04:04 UTC   If hyp hits 1 USD I im taking all my friends (A huge 2 people) on an epic night full of strip clubs, good food, beer and any thing else anybody could think o

7 mrhangjas5
2014-10-13 20:06:26 UTC   If hyp hits 1 dollar i buy my own house and some land to be self sufficient with my own food and stuff.



impressive you still have that convo haha
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iantunc, bottom line is if these guys were honest they wouldn't try to bury information like they've done by editing out the fork date in the ANN.. This kind of behaviour screams scam and if you can't hear it, it's because you don't want to listen.

presstab's response in this thread pretty much amounts to "oops, coulda woulda shoulda.. didn't know HYP would be so big" riiight.. He's the cliche super friendly leader in the trollbox, tipping people for the stupidest reasons etc. This is again typical scam behavior. Spend some time in the polo box and see how quick his attitude gets ugly when anyone questions his beloved HyperScam, and watch as the henchmen David & Co. begin to appear in the box to defend their shitcoin.
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legendary
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Poor guy. Sorry we hurt your feelings.

You know why i dominate in the game of Chess ?
It's called playing the most appropriate move when it's your turn.
you whack my knee cap my leg comes up Wink

and presstab i believe you i think the guy is getting a bit carried way with some of the quotes
i advise people to take them with a grain of salt like i am..
i don't know if they are true or taken out of context or what and fair is fair !

i mean it too i am not saying that to play games.. it's not fair to basically make up nasty shit to bash guys.

edit:
lemme put it this way..

a bank is robbed.

then the robber comes around the corner past you dropping a bag of money at your feet.
it looks BAD !!!!! ..when the cop comes around and see's you !
should this be ignored ?
no !
it's facts !!! ..and this is what we have in crypto ALL THE TIME !
things can look really bad but who knows ?
either way the info is valid and should presented for consumption.

Saying like i did earlier it looks REALLY BAD is just that and it sure as hell LOOKS like a scam to me !
is it ? i will never know..

context.. if something looks REALLY bad in this scene it probably is.... look around lol
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legendary
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I want to add also that i think this type of topic is fair game.

I am the decider criticizer !
i myself have heavily criticized the coins i still support !
such as Jackpotcoin and Max coin.
So i am not picking on anyone ever i just want all info to base my trades on.
If anyone has valid criticism for a coin then a discussion forum or chat box is the perfect place to lay it all on the table and hash it out.
come to your own conclusions obviously Wink

FUD'ing myself in the mirror ?
so since i have bashed JPC and MAX am i FUD'ing and Trolling on my own coins i support ?
don't believe me take Max coin for example and go read the walls of text i posted about it criticizing it and then how i said i still support it !
and the same damn thing with JPC where i have said negative things about it a dozen times.
i have done the same on ANY other coin i was invested in.. facts are facts and should not be swept under the rug !

like i criticized JPC's premine etc many times early on and later and occasionally since..
and why ? well part of the reason is a reminder to guys out there that we're watching  Cool
for example i bitched out the JPC dev for his faucet running dry for ages and i said guys isn't that why you got a fat premine..

Spoetnik is pure evil ?
People in crypto can consider me a an evil Troll who picks on coins for no reason but i consider myself objective
standing in the middle not for or against any coin.. i want as much info as possible good or bad and so should you all to make informed educated trades with.

the whole i show up somewhere and i deserve to be treated like dog shit because the, i am a Troll reputation routine is unfair bullshit !
and don't forget there is a lot of guys with a grudge in this scene pissed right off about past scam coins they made and got exposed over
..they are still here lurking around trying to throw stones at guys (who helped expose them) ..and of course pumping more NEW coins out  Roll Eyes

edit: i also am not the only one who criticizes coins  Roll Eyes
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