Topic: I no longer work for Butterfly Labs (BFL) - page 6. (Read 21127 times)

Quote from: RoadStress on June 23, 2014, 02:33:02 AM

So since the unit wasn't actually delivered to you then it's fair to say that the bet should have ended as a Lose for BFL and the one that made the Draw decision was wrong.

By the terms of the bet, it actually should have been a Win for the BFL side.

I can't find the original terms of the bet, but please enlighten me why it should have been a Win for BFL.

I'm sure it's somewhere in this forum thread.

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Quote from: Miner99er on April 01, 2013, 08:21:13 AM
For this bet to be won tho, there needs to be a shipping label and/or tracking number.

Luke's reply: There is, but I'd prefer not to give the trolls my personal info.

There was no shipping label at the time of the post if the unit was in BFL's warehouse. Lie again. Or there was a shipping label ready sitting right next to the unit in the warehouse.

The latter (where the label physically was, I don't know - but I was given a tracking number).

Quote from: RoadStress on June 23, 2014, 02:33:02 AM

No shipping occurred before or on 1st April.

I never claimed it did.

So you claim that you received a shipping label, but the unit was hashing in BFL's warehouse? When exactly did you received your shipping label and when did your unit stopped hashing so that it could be sent to you?

I received the tracking number in the same conversation as (eventually) setting up remote access to my miner.
I don't recall when it was finally shipped exactly - months later due to further delays of the minirigs.

P.S. If someone who I know I can trust with my privacy wants to waste their time confirming it exists as stated, I wouldn't mind sharing it with them. I just confirmed FedEx still has record of it (including at least origin, date, and destination).

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Quote from: RoadStress on June 23, 2014, 02:33:02 AM

So since the unit wasn't actually delivered to you then it's fair to say that the bet should have ended as a Lose for BFL and the one that made the Draw decision was wrong.

By the terms of the bet, it actually should have been a Win for the BFL side.

I can't find the original terms of the bet, but please enlighten me why it should have been a Win for BFL.

Quote from: RoadStress on June 23, 2014, 02:33:02 AM

Also your statement from here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1713137 is just a lie because you didn't had the unit at the time of the post. BFL had your unit, not you.

Um, no. You're trying to be pedantic, but failing.
Learn English: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/have

Not English native, but having something that hasn't been delivered yet is weird for me.

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Quote from: Miner99er on April 01, 2013, 08:21:13 AM
For this bet to be won tho, there needs to be a shipping label and/or tracking number.

Luke's reply: There is, but I'd prefer not to give the trolls my personal info.

There was no shipping label at the time of the post if the unit was in BFL's warehouse. Lie again. Or there was a shipping label ready sitting right next to the unit in the warehouse.

The latter (where the label physically was, I don't know - but I was given a tracking number).

Quote from: RoadStress on June 23, 2014, 02:33:02 AM

No shipping occurred before or on 1st April.

I never claimed it did.

So you claim that you received a shipping label, but the unit was hashing in BFL's warehouse? When exactly did you received your shipping label and when did your unit stopped hashing so that it could be sent to you?

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Quote from: RoadStress on June 23, 2014, 02:33:02 AM

So since the unit wasn't actually delivered to you then it's fair to say that the bet should have ended as a Lose for BFL and the one that made the Draw decision was wrong.

By the terms of the bet, it actually should have been a Win for the BFL side.

Quote from: RoadStress on June 23, 2014, 02:33:02 AM

Also your statement from here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1713137 is just a lie because you didn't had the unit at the time of the post. BFL had your unit, not you.

Um, no. You're trying to be pedantic, but failing.
Learn English: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/have

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Quote from: Miner99er on April 01, 2013, 08:21:13 AM
For this bet to be won tho, there needs to be a shipping label and/or tracking number.

Luke's reply: There is, but I'd prefer not to give the trolls my personal info.

There was no shipping label at the time of the post if the unit was in BFL's warehouse. Lie again. Or there was a shipping label ready sitting right next to the unit in the warehouse.

The latter (where the label physically was, I don't know - but I was given a tracking number).

Quote from: RoadStress on June 23, 2014, 02:33:02 AM

No shipping occurred before or on 1st April.

I never claimed it did.

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Quote from: Luke-Jr on June 23, 2014, 02:13:20 AM

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Quote from: Luke-Jr on June 23, 2014, 02:13:20 AM

You claimed you had your ASIC device. You claimed you had a shipping label and tracking number for the device

Both of which were true.

Of course both are true, but tell us how close were you to the actual miner at the time of the post. Have you actually touched it or it was at BFL warehouse at the time of the post?

I may have touched it a few weeks earlier when I was there in person, but it was being hosted by BFL until the rest of my order was ready.
Where they had it physically located (their warehouse, office, or whatever) I don't know/care.

So since the unit wasn't actually delivered to you then it's fair to say that the bet should have ended as a Lose for BFL and the one that made the Draw decision was wrong. Also your statement from here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1713137 is just a lie because you didn't had the unit at the time of the post. BFL had your unit, not you.

Quote from: RoadStress on June 23, 2014, 02:04:16 AM

And 1000BTC is 1000BTC no matter the exchange rate.

Yes, but 1000 BTC is not $600,000 no matter the exchange rate.
Pretending it had today's value is what is ridiculous.

I agree.

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Quote from: Unacceptable on June 23, 2014, 02:21:34 AM

Popcorn for everyone !!!!!!!!!!!! Cheesy

Since I just figured out how to implant an image I might as well add one with a comment.

Is there enough popcorn to feed the coons?

wow! The guy feeding the coons looks like Bruce.

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Quote from: hardhouseinc on June 23, 2014, 01:58:29 AM

Quote from: nexus99 on June 22, 2014, 06:42:03 PM

I bet they have been selling to colo companies the whole time. Including for their 65NM chip products.

Pre-orders to raise cash. Build equipment. Sell large quantities of in-hand equipment to bulk purchase farms (because they wont drop 3M on a preorder. They need immediate delivery.). Try to catch up with the original consumer orders after the farms aren't interested anymore.

Thus defrauding the consumers.

It seems pretty obvious now.

YES. If ANY of this is true its pretty obvious where the "bullet run" of "BROKEN" chips went.

They claim they are all defective, OK SURE. Their co-conspirators to this huge scam get their BIGTIME orders
for their farms right away and they keep up the ruse of 2 more weeks over and over.

This might be my favorite BFL thread of all time because alot of shit is coming to light here.

The bigtime farms get there stuff right after payment, mine for months on low difficulty, and the little customers
sit here with a BFL dick in the ass. OMFG I hope these guys BURN soon in court / jail.

Don't forget that same little guys that are waiting for monarchs may also have paid for mining contracts from the very hosting companies that are mining with the devices made from the chips that are suppose to be in miners that they have been waiting for and Sonny has a vested interested in all of them. I only regret not knowing all this when I was working there because I may have done things differently. If Bruce's cred wasn't shoot all to hell he could let you guys into so much more stuff than I could even though I believe I helped out as much as possible.

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Quote from: RoadStress on June 23, 2014, 02:04:16 AM

Quote from: RoadStress on June 23, 2014, 02:04:16 AM

You claimed you had your ASIC device. You claimed you had a shipping label and tracking number for the device

Both of which were true.

Of course both are true, but tell us how close were you to the actual miner at the time of the post. Have you actually touched it or it was at BFL warehouse at the time of the post?

I may have touched it a few weeks earlier when I was there in person, but it was being hosted by BFL until the rest of my order was ready.
Where they had it physically located (their warehouse, office, or whatever) I don't know/care.

Quote from: RoadStress on June 23, 2014, 02:04:16 AM

BFL stood to gain 1000 BTC (now worth roughly $600,000) if they could claim the device had shipped by April 1st.

I don't know anything about that.
But to use present-day valuation for something that occurred in the past is ridiculous.

You didn't know anything about the bet, but you posted right before the deadline? Please allow me to NOT believe that.

I don't know anything about BFL having a stake in the bet, even to date (it's long enough ago that it's possible someone told me and I forgot).
I don't think I'd seen the bet until after my post, either.
I posted when BFL turned over my miner.
Furthermore, nobody won the bet. It was called a draw.
So even if BFL had made bets on their own delivery, they lost what their winnings would have been, they didn't gain.

And 1000BTC is 1000BTC no matter the exchange rate.

Yes, but 1000 BTC is not $600,000 no matter the exchange rate.
Pretending it had today's value is what is ridiculous.

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You claimed you had your ASIC device. You claimed you had a shipping label and tracking number for the device

Both of which were true.

Of course both are true, but tell us how close were you to the actual miner at the time of the post. Have you actually touched it or it was at BFL warehouse at the time of the post?

Quote from: nibbknot on June 22, 2014, 11:58:17 PM

BFL stood to gain 1000 BTC (now worth roughly $600,000) if they could claim the device had shipped by April 1st.

I don't know anything about that.
But to use present-day valuation for something that occurred in the past is ridiculous.

You didn't know anything about the bet, but you posted right before the deadline? Please allow me to NOT believe that. And 1000BTC is 1000BTC no matter the exchange rate. It's somethin BFL gained just because of your post, not because of their direct actions.

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Quote from: nexus99 on June 22, 2014, 06:42:03 PM

Sorry Luke.You burned your credibility when you claimed BFL shipped you product oh so long ago, when in fact it was sitting at BFL labs the whole time.

Don't put words in my mouth, thanks.

I'm not trying to pick a fight or stir up stuff but I can't help but comment on this for a little humor.

"Those goals just look so delicious! Mmm!"
"Don't put words in my mouth, thanks."

One last and humor post for today.

"Those goals just look so delicious! Mmm!"
"Don't put words in my mouth, thanks."
"I don't see any stakes for anyone..."

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I bet they have been selling to colo companies the whole time. Including for their 65NM chip products.

Pre-orders to raise cash. Build equipment. Sell large quantities of in-hand equipment to bulk purchase farms (because they wont drop 3M on a preorder. They need immediate delivery.). Try to catch up with the original consumer orders after the farms aren't interested anymore.

Thus defrauding the consumers.

It seems pretty obvious now.

YES. If ANY of this is true its pretty obvious where the "bullet run" of "BROKEN" chips went.

They claim they are all defective, OK SURE. Their co-conspirators to this huge scam get their BIGTIME orders
for their farms right away and they keep up the ruse of 2 more weeks over and over.

This might be my favorite BFL thread of all time because alot of shit is coming to light here.

The bigtime farms get there stuff right after payment, mine for months on low difficulty, and the little customers
sit here with a BFL dick in the ass. OMFG I hope these guys BURN soon in court / jail.

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You claimed you had your ASIC device. You claimed you had a shipping label and tracking number for the device

Both of which were true.

but declined to show either of them.

I showed the device. I didn't show the tracking number for reasons I stated.

Somehow you manage to reconcile those two statements with BFL not shipping the device (thus no tracking number or label) and you not having the device (because it was still at BFL).

Don't forget the context of the tracking number/label bit. I was responding to pedantry with pedantry.

BFL was paying you at the time to develop the mining software.

Are you claiming I said that too, or are you just stating random rumours from people who wouldn't know as if they are truth?

BFL stood to gain 1000 BTC (now worth roughly $600,000) if they could claim the device had shipped by April 1st.

I don't know anything about that.
But to use present-day valuation for something that occurred in the past is ridiculous.

Quote from: Luke-Jr on June 23, 2014, 12:12:49 AM

That is why you have no credibility on the subject of BFL. It has already been demonstrated that you are willing to deceive if the stakes are high enough.

What stakes? I gained absolutely nothing from your so-called "deception" (where I stated only the truth).

Edit: Also, I'm curious what stakes you think there are in this thread? I don't see any stakes for anyone...

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Quote from: k9quaint on June 22, 2014, 11:59:21 PM

Quote from: Nachtwind on April 01, 2013, 04:38:51 PM

Sorry Luke.You burned your credibility when you claimed BFL shipped you product oh so long ago, when in fact it was sitting at BFL labs the whole time.

Don't put words in my mouth, thanks.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1713137 <--- Thread about Luke claiming to "have his first ASIC"
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1713163 <--- Screenshot of Luke posting a picture demonstrating he has his ASIC
https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8404%2F8608273267_04e5e7f50f_z.jpg&t=541&c=9DDsr5MM9BOv7Q <-- picture of the workbench at BFL the shows a disturbing similarity to the picture Luke showed

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1715316
Quote from: Miner99er on April 01, 2013, 08:21:13 AM
For this bet to be won tho, there needs to be a shipping label and/or tracking number.

Luke's reply: There is, but I'd prefer not to give the trolls my personal info.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1719599 <-- Luke finally admitting that "BFL has it at their office now only at my own request that they keep it there for the time being." The unit was not shipped to him.

For the record, I am not putting words in your mouth. I am putting them in a textarea element in an HTML page in a browser. Wink

Great, at least this time you quoted what I actually said.
You will note that at no point did I say BFL had actually shipped it (at the time).

You claimed you had your ASIC device. You claimed you had a shipping label and tracking number for the device but declined to show either of them.
Somehow you manage to reconcile those two statements with BFL not shipping the device (thus no tracking number or label) and you not having the device (because it was still at BFL).
BFL was paying you at the time to develop the mining software.
BFL stood to gain 1000 BTC (now worth roughly $600,000) if they could claim the device had shipped by April 1st.
That is why you have no credibility on the subject of BFL. It has already been demonstrated that you are willing to deceive if the stakes are high enough.

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So.. a company that lied time and again about their products told us they sent something to someone who lies time and again about the origins of his/and other peoples software and its capabilities.

Sure this is no aprils fools joke, but yet another step in this endless scam called "BFL asics".

wow! So this is the kind of stuff that was written about butterfly labs when I was working there and Bruce still works there? And they're still lying today as in today?

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Quote from: nibbknot on June 23, 2014, 12:07:57 AM

Quote from: k9quaint on June 22, 2014, 11:59:21 PM

Quote from: k9quaint on June 22, 2014, 11:59:21 PM

Sorry Luke.You burned your credibility when you claimed BFL shipped you product oh so long ago, when in fact it was sitting at BFL labs the whole time.

Don't put words in my mouth, thanks.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1713137 <--- Thread about Luke claiming to "have his first ASIC"
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1713163 <--- Screenshot of Luke posting a picture demonstrating he has his ASIC
https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8404%2F8608273267_04e5e7f50f_z.jpg&t=541&c=9DDsr5MM9BOv7Q <-- picture of the workbench at BFL the shows a disturbing similarity to the picture Luke showed

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1715316
Quote from: Miner99er on April 01, 2013, 08:21:13 AM
For this bet to be won tho, there needs to be a shipping label and/or tracking number.

Luke's reply: There is, but I'd prefer not to give the trolls my personal info.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1719599 <-- Luke finally admitting that "BFL has it at their office now only at my own request that they keep it there for the time being." The unit was not shipped to him.

For the record, I am not putting words in your mouth. I am putting them in a textarea element in an HTML page in a browser. Wink

Was that bet on one of Sonny's betting sites or another bitcoin betting site? Also did the guys who won the bet since the deadline wasn't meant did they have good odds and came out good?

betsofbitcoin, iirc.

now all this story reminds me of the rumor someone got their bfl mini-rigs first, skipping the line thru the back door.

haha

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