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Topic: I Think I Got Screwed out of 5 BTC - page 5. (Read 7496 times)

sr. member
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December 20, 2011, 06:37:52 PM
#90
mods, please.

Yes, mods, please intervene if you feel necessary.

I feel I am morally, ethically, and rationally justified.  I have absolutely no problem with having this thread locked/removed if they, too, believe I am only blowing smoke.

A good game is fair for all players.  His rule created a statistical imbalance.  To win this game, skill is involved to a certain degree; a date 1 year from now is obviously a lot more likely than a date 10,000 years from now, and is a more skillful guess.  My skill was nullified as a factor the instant this rule was implemented for it prevented me from having the opportunity to change my answer to the winning answer.

My pms to both OldEngineer and Goat were civil.  I obviously have no issue with Goat other than I think he is holding 5 of my BTC, but 2.5 would be acceptable to me, and that's because I feel that it would be generous of me to allow him to keep 2.5 BTC.  I do not think he won, pure and simple.  Similarly, I have no problems with oldengineer outside of this situation.  I'm sure he's a good guy.  I just think he should understand that I think he screwed me over on this one, even if he doesn't see it the same way.

You've got no skin in the game. Get the sand out of your gyne and go to bed.
legendary
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December 20, 2011, 06:23:29 PM
#89
I said this elsewhere, but let me make it explicit:

isn't it embarassing to display unawareness that we're living on a round planet, and that global communities have to define their time suitably for this fact?

If I were to make a mistake like this -- I doubt it, but I can't blame anyone, everybody makes mistakes -- I'd try to make sure nobody noticed. This show here, to try and get just 5 BTC? What did you expect old_engineer to do, count your vote in both UTC and your local time?

There is no reasonable solution other than assuming UTC. Sorry if you're new to global communities, but such are the rules, and thinking about it just a moment makes it clear that the rules have to be that way, or else things become extremely annoying.
hero member
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December 20, 2011, 05:39:11 PM
#88
What time zone are the forum posts in? Where is the contest being held? You lost, I lost, get over it.

Whining from people like you makes it less likely that old engineer will do another contest like this again. Too much of a headache.

Also old engineer even did one better and paid out double to goat because he keeps on donating his winnings to orphans and such.

Thank you for the contest engineer and thank you for your generosity Goat.
legendary
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December 20, 2011, 04:17:28 PM
#87
College? This kid sounds like he is barely out of kindergarten.
sr. member
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December 20, 2011, 03:57:25 PM
#86
Being the now-identified third btc user in Illinois, I would offer the thought that anyone who doesn't use UTC in an online forum, or for communicating with anyone regarding times around the globe is a prize ass. Standards exist so that we don't have to agree whether of not we are going to use "Upper Mongolian Standard Time" or "Central Daylight Savings", or "Fucked Up Indiana Has To Be An Asshole Time" that is 15 minutes off, we all have one basis that is universal and the deviation from that standard is consistent for all.

If you didn't think of that, in this life-altering contest, that is consuming such a huge portion of your attention, then perhaps you should not be the first sinner to be tossing stones about who went to college and who didn't.

Your lack of understanding, failure to monitor the thread, and poorly conceived ad hominem attacks are what "screwed" you, and thanks to some gracious people willing to pay you to shut the fuck up, you have already won a nice 2 btc second place prize that wasn't even mentioned in the original rules. Karma is dry-humping you and you aren't even aware of it.

Key takeaway? Shut the fuck up and stop whining.

What do you do to relax?

Write remarkably coherent, often harsh, judgmental and acerbic posts on a number of fora. Weave chain maille bikinis.

And when I deal with people around the world, I use UTC. Thanks for asking.
legendary
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December 20, 2011, 03:26:50 PM
#85
Being the now-identified third btc user in Illinois, I would offer the thought that anyone who doesn't use UTC in an online forum, or for communicating with anyone regarding times around the globe is a prize ass. Standards exist so that we don't have to agree whether of not we are going to use "Upper Mongolian Standard Time" or "Central Daylight Savings", or "Fucked Up Indiana Has To Be An Asshole Time" that is 15 minutes off, we all have one basis that is universal and the deviation from that standard is consistent for all.

If you didn't think of that, in this life-altering contest, that is consuming such a huge portion of your attention, then perhaps you should not be the first sinner to be tossing stones about who went to college and who didn't.

Your lack of understanding, failure to monitor the thread, and poorly conceived ad hominem attacks are what "screwed" you, and thanks to some gracious people willing to pay you to shut the fuck up, you have already won a nice 2 btc second place prize that wasn't even mentioned in the original rules. Karma is dry-humping you and you aren't even aware of it.

Key takeaway? Shut the fuck up and stop whining.

What do you do to relax?
newbie
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December 20, 2011, 03:22:25 PM
#84
sr. member
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December 20, 2011, 03:15:49 PM
#83
Being the now-identified third btc user in Illinois, I would offer the thought that anyone who doesn't use UTC in an online forum, or for communicating with anyone regarding times around the globe is a prize ass. Standards exist so that we don't have to agree whether of not we are going to use "Upper Mongolian Standard Time" or "Central Daylight Savings", or "Fucked Up Indiana Has To Be An Asshole Time" that is 15 minutes off, we all have one basis that is universal and the deviation from that standard is consistent for all.

If you didn't think of that, in this life-altering contest, that is consuming such a huge portion of your attention, then perhaps you should not be the first sinner to be tossing stones about who went to college and who didn't.

Your lack of understanding, failure to monitor the thread, and poorly conceived ad hominem attacks are what "screwed" you, and thanks to some gracious people willing to pay you to shut the fuck up, you have already won a nice 2 btc second place prize that wasn't even mentioned in the original rules. Karma is dry-humping you and you aren't even aware of it.

Key takeaway? Shut the fuck up and stop whining.
legendary
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December 20, 2011, 02:59:05 PM
#82
So I looked through the original thread a little bit...

To me it looks like you're just trying to stir up crap here and be a troll.  Dude posts a thread offering a prize to the first person to guess the day BTC goes over $4 and he forgets to specify the timezone.  Within 12 hours of the original post, someone has asked how it's judged and an answer was given.  Now you complain because your guess was almost right but not according to the timezone.

If you had even seen the change in timezone would you have changed your guess?  I doubt it, people were randomly throwing days out there.

Whether or not you doubt if I would change my guess is irrelevant.  I was given the opportunity to change my guess (apparently) and I could no longer choose the selected winning date due to the first guesser wins rule.
legendary
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Keep it real
December 20, 2011, 02:52:06 PM
#81
So I looked through the original thread a little bit...

To me it looks like you're just trying to stir up crap here and be a troll.  Dude posts a thread offering a prize to the first person to guess the day BTC goes over $4 and he forgets to specify the timezone.  Within 12 hours of the original post, someone has asked how it's judged and an answer was given.  Now you complain because your guess was almost right but not according to the timezone.

If you had even seen the change in timezone would you have changed your guess?  I doubt it, people were randomly throwing days out there.
legendary
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December 20, 2011, 02:45:14 PM
#80
Stop whining. You didn't lose any money.

Nice name.
legendary
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December 20, 2011, 02:42:41 PM
#79

Jesus Christ, this isn't hard to understand.  I live in Illinois, so I made a guess based upon my time zone.   If my friend asks me, "Hey, what time are we going to dinner?", I don't know about you but I always make sure to ask him, "You mean, Illinois time or Japan time?"

I live in Hellanois too.  We're probably the only two people in this state that know what Bitcoin is (hyperbole is fun).

I'm an extremely small player in this experiment as I suspect you are -- my net worth is something like 30 BTC and I spent all my pell grant excesses on mining equipment and I do that at a meager 1.5 GH/s.

In the interest of the spirit of the season and global good will and a nod to locality, I donate thee 1 BTC.

Now, Karma -- let my long position on Bitcoinica take off, please  Grin

Haha really?  Nice!  And thank you!

If I obtain the original 5 BTC I will, in the spirit of the season, kindly repay you and the other guy that generously donated 1 BTC, and send an additional BTC Smiley

newbie
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December 20, 2011, 02:41:09 PM
#78
Stop whining. You didn't lose any money.
hero member
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December 20, 2011, 02:40:52 PM
#77
The joint, I agree that you should have gotten at least 50% of the prize winnings. But it doesn't do you any good to argue it to death. You didn't pay to enter the contest, therefore, if the guy who is giving away the money wants to make a ruling that doesn't favor you, he has full power to do so.

Believe me, I understand how it must feel to know you won something and have it given to someone else. But you have to let go of things that are out of your control. Life is too short for this.

Like I said earlier, the amount doesn't matter.

Holy shit, thanks for not reading. Good luck pal.

No, I read it.  Letting go and acting on a belief are not mutually exclusive.

What's that belief? Life is fair? You have a lot to learn...especially about how to talk to people without sounding like a entitled ass.


Ironic.

Is it? Please elaborate. You might be able to fit your other foot in your mouth too.
legendary
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December 20, 2011, 02:40:30 PM
#76
In either case, the rules were set up such that it is incredibly easy to determine who guessed first. 

It isn't a question on who guessed first.  It is a question on what exactly was your guess.  For all we know, you originally meant GMT.  Also, if no one can have the same guess as another person then either the first person that bets sets the timezone for all other bets (otherwise bets would overlap) or it can be deduced that a standard timezone is in effect. 

Not a sound deduction.  You can still guess it, you simply wouldn't win.
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1020
December 20, 2011, 02:38:12 PM
#75
The joint, I agree that you should have gotten at least 50% of the prize winnings. But it doesn't do you any good to argue it to death. You didn't pay to enter the contest, therefore, if the guy who is giving away the money wants to make a ruling that doesn't favor you, he has full power to do so.

Believe me, I understand how it must feel to know you won something and have it given to someone else. But you have to let go of things that are out of your control. Life is too short for this.

Like I said earlier, the amount doesn't matter.

Holy shit, thanks for not reading. Good luck pal.

No, I read it.  Letting go and acting on a belief are not mutually exclusive.

What's that belief? Life is fair? You have a lot to learn...especially about how to talk to people without sounding like a entitled ass.


Ironic.
sr. member
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December 20, 2011, 02:37:18 PM
#74
In either case, the rules were set up such that it is incredibly easy to determine who guessed first. 

It isn't a question on who guessed first.  It is a question on what exactly was your guess.  For all we know, you originally meant GMT.  Also, if no one can have the same guess as another person then either the first person that bets sets the timezone for all other bets (otherwise bets would overlap) or it can be deduced that a standard timezone is in effect. 
hero member
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December 20, 2011, 02:22:27 PM
#73
The joint, I agree that you should have gotten at least 50% of the prize winnings. But it doesn't do you any good to argue it to death. You didn't pay to enter the contest, therefore, if the guy who is giving away the money wants to make a ruling that doesn't favor you, he has full power to do so.

Believe me, I understand how it must feel to know you won something and have it given to someone else. But you have to let go of things that are out of your control. Life is too short for this.

Like I said earlier, the amount doesn't matter.

Holy shit, thanks for not reading. Good luck pal.

No, I read it.  Letting go and acting on a belief are not mutually exclusive.

What's that belief? Life is fair? You have a lot to learn...especially about how to talk to people without sounding like a entitled ass.
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1020
December 20, 2011, 02:20:22 PM
#72
The joint, I agree that you should have gotten at least 50% of the prize winnings. But it doesn't do you any good to argue it to death. You didn't pay to enter the contest, therefore, if the guy who is giving away the money wants to make a ruling that doesn't favor you, he has full power to do so.

Believe me, I understand how it must feel to know you won something and have it given to someone else. But you have to let go of things that are out of your control. Life is too short for this.

Like I said earlier, the amount doesn't matter.

Holy shit, thanks for not reading. Good luck pal.

No, I read it.  Letting go and acting on a belief are not mutually exclusive.
hero member
Activity: 868
Merit: 1002
December 20, 2011, 02:18:57 PM
#71
The joint, I agree that you should have gotten at least 50% of the prize winnings. But it doesn't do you any good to argue it to death. You didn't pay to enter the contest, therefore, if the guy who is giving away the money wants to make a ruling that doesn't favor you, he has full power to do so.

Believe me, I understand how it must feel to know you won something and have it given to someone else. But you have to let go of things that are out of your control. Life is too short for this.

Like I said earlier, the amount doesn't matter.

Holy shit, thanks for not reading. Good luck pal.
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