I Think I Got Screwed out of 5 BTC - page 6.

Crypt_Current

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Shame on everything; regret nothing.

Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 12:20:48 PM

Jesus Christ, this isn't hard to understand. I live in Illinois, so I made a guess based upon my time zone. If my friend asks me, "Hey, what time are we going to dinner?", I don't know about you but I always make sure to ask him, "You mean, Illinois time or Japan time?"

I live in Hellanois too. We're probably the only two people in this state that know what Bitcoin is (hyperbole is fun).

I'm an extremely small player in this experiment as I suspect you are -- my net worth is something like 30 BTC and I spent all my pell grant excesses on mining equipment and I do that at a meager 1.5 GH/s.

In the interest of the spirit of the season and global good will and a nod to locality, I donate thee 1 BTC.

Now, Karma -- let my long position on Bitcoinica take off, please Grin

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Quote from: jwzguy on December 20, 2011, 02:15:49 PM

The joint, I agree that you should have gotten at least 50% of the prize winnings. But it doesn't do you any good to argue it to death. You didn't pay to enter the contest, therefore, if the guy who is giving away the money wants to make a ruling that doesn't favor you, he has full power to do so.

Believe me, I understand how it must feel to know you won something and have it given to someone else. But you have to let go of things that are out of your control. Life is too short for this.

Like I said earlier, the amount doesn't matter.

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The joint, I agree that you should have gotten at least 50% of the prize winnings. But it doesn't do you any good to argue it to death. You didn't pay to enter the contest, therefore, if the guy who is giving away the money wants to make a ruling that doesn't favor you, he has full power to do so.

Believe me, I understand how it must feel to know you won something and have it given to someone else. But you have to let go of things that are out of your control. Life is too short for this.

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The rules are such that it is easy to see the joint guessed Dec 19th first, but the problem is that it doesn't show if he guessed Dec. 19 UTC or Dec. 20 UTC. Since the forums run on UTC by default (not sure if that can be changed), UTC time zone is implied in which case he was off by a day. Furthermore, the joint says when he saw that the price was close to $4, he kept tabs on the thread. Unfortunately (for him), he failed to notice the clarification of the rules.

That should be the end of it. You make a mistake, or fail to keep up on an ever changing world, and it's your loss. To go on a rant about the supposed "screwing" is misguided at best. When I saw the rule initially, I didn't figure there'd be a tie, but even so the lack of a time zone was something I noticed. Either way, chalk this one up to the file cabinet of experience and move on.

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Quote from: dayfall on December 20, 2011, 02:06:59 PM

If someone says to me 9 o'clock, Do I always first assume they mean 9:00 rather than 21:00? Because, otherwise they would have clarified, yes? Of course not. People are idiots. And on the internet if someone says, 9 oclock, do I first assume they mean GMT? Again, no, they probably forgot that everyone doesn't live in their time zone. So, I side with old Engineer, because if you say the "19th", you might as well say "monday". Ambiguity rules it out.

In either case, the rules were set up such that it is incredibly easy to determine who guessed first.

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If someone says to me 9 o'clock, Do I always first assume they mean 9:00 rather than 21:00? Because, otherwise they would have clarified, yes? Of course not. People are idiots. And on the internet if someone says, 9 oclock, do I first assume they mean GMT? Again, no, they probably forgot that everyone doesn't live in their time zone. So, I side with old Engineer, because if you say the "19th", you might as well say "monday". Ambiguity rules it out.

Edit: I hate timezones, the imperial system, and AM and PM. Why, god, do we still use AM and PM?

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Quote from: Maged on December 20, 2011, 01:58:34 PM

the joint did make his concerns known prior to the distribution of the winnings. It can be argued that the timezones prior to the standardization announcement should have been based on the user's local time, as shown in there profile. Because of this confusion, the distribution of the funds should have at least been brought into public opinion after his announcement of his ruling, but before the funds were distributed.

That being said, this was a free contest, and nothing about the rule change reduced the joint's chances of being correct. Thus, I don't think that it really matters how this should have been handled. It was handled, and not in an unfair manner.

Maged,

Your statement that "nothing about the rule change reduced the joint's chances of being correct" is irrelevant, and instead, it should be "nothing about the rule change reduced the joint's chances of winning. You must keep in mind that there was an additional rule as stated in his OP that stated in the event of a tie, the winner would be the first correct guesser. Now, Goat and I tied in the sense that we guessed the correct date according to our corresponding time zones. But, since I was apparently allowed to change my guess under the rule change, it then became impossible for me to win. I could no longer pick Dec. 20th, the selected winning answer and Goat's answer, because my guess would be instantly nullified since he had already guessed it. Thus, the rule change itself meant that I not only had reduced chances of being correct, I had no chance of winning.

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the joint did make his concerns known prior to the distribution of the winnings. It can be argued that the timezones prior to the standardization announcement should have been based on the user's local time, as shown in there profile. Because of this confusion, the distribution of the funds should have at least been brought into public opinion after his announcement of his ruling, but before the funds were distributed.

That being said, this was a free contest, and nothing about the rule change reduced the joint's chances of being correct. Thus, I don't think that it really matters how this should have been handled. It was handled, and not in an unfair manner.

kokjo

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You are WRONG!

Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 01:46:03 PM

Quote from: Serge on December 20, 2011, 01:29:35 PM

it wasn't a scam though, there was a winner and old_engineer paid his dues, although you don't agree with the outcome result.

>>> It's not exactly a thread that I needed to keep tabs on... "Omg, I wonder what this person guessed....omg, I wonder what this person guessed."

but now it is a huge deal? make up your mind =)

The thread wasn't a huge deal because a surge towards $4 hadn't happened yet. I cared to find out who won, and I actually had forgotten my guess and thought that I had guessed the 16th. When I looked back and saw that I guessed the 19th, that's when I knew I'd won.

well you did not win Goat did. Tongue

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only thing you've achieved with this thread is ruin your own rep imo and make people like old_engineer think twice before offering fun free money to community in a form of simple games and contests.

if you say the winning is a big deal to you then you should have clearly followed the thread and readjusted your guess based on rule clarifications, if it wasn't a big deal then what's happening with your claim now is an attempt of free money grab because of conflicting time zones.

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Quote from: Serge on December 20, 2011, 01:29:35 PM

it wasn't a scam though, there was a winner and old_engineer paid his dues, although you don't agree with the outcome result.

>>> It's not exactly a thread that I needed to keep tabs on... "Omg, I wonder what this person guessed....omg, I wonder what this person guessed."

but now it is a huge deal? make up your mind =)

The thread wasn't a huge deal because a surge towards $4 hadn't happened yet. I cared to find out who won, and I actually had forgotten my guess and thought that I had guessed the 16th. When I looked back and saw that I guessed the 19th, that's when I knew I'd won.

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mods, please.

Yes, mods, please intervene if you feel necessary.

I feel I am morally, ethically, and rationally justified. I have absolutely no problem with having this thread locked/removed if they, too, believe I am only blowing smoke.

A good game is fair for all players. His rule created a statistical imbalance. To win this game, skill is involved to a certain degree; a date 1 year from now is obviously a lot more likely than a date 10,000 years from now, and is a more skillful guess. My skill was nullified as a factor the instant this rule was implemented for it prevented me from having the opportunity to change my answer to the winning answer.

My pms to both OldEngineer and Goat were civil. I obviously have no issue with Goat other than I think he is holding 5 of my BTC, but 2.5 would be acceptable to me, and that's because I feel that it would be generous of me to allow him to keep 2.5 BTC. I do not think he won, pure and simple. Similarly, I have no problems with oldengineer outside of this situation. I'm sure he's a good guy. I just think he should understand that I think he screwed me over on this one, even if he doesn't see it the same way.

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You're fat, because you dont have any pics on FB

This is petty, move on.

Serge

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it wasn't a scam though, there was a winner and old_engineer paid his dues, although you don't agree with the outcome result.

>>> It's not exactly a thread that I needed to keep tabs on... "Omg, I wonder what this person guessed....omg, I wonder what this person guessed."

but now it is a huge deal? make up your mind =)

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Quote from: Serge on December 20, 2011, 01:16:02 PM

old_engineer tried to be as fair as possible to all players, you gotta give him credit for that and put this to rest.

it is also doubtful that you haven't seen that thread between first posting in it and yesterday

It's not exactly a thread that I needed to keep tabs on... "Omg, I wonder what this person guessed....omg, I wonder what this person guessed."

I put in a guess, forgot about it, then saw that the price was nearing $4 yesterday, and so the thread kept appearing atop my "show unread posts since last visit" link.

It still doesn't change the fact that it was impossible for me to have won. Since the GMT rule was implemented, I could not have guessed Dec. 20th because Goat had already guessed it. So, the rule itself made it impossible for me to win because my guess would be nullified if I changed it to the "winning" date.

I will put it to rest after it has been addressed, just like any marketplace scam.

Serge

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old_engineer tried to be as fair as possible to all players, you gotta give him credit for that and put this to rest.

it is also doubtful that you haven't seen that thread between first posting in it and yesterday

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Quote from: Serge on December 20, 2011, 01:02:08 PM

Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 12:54:03 PM

Quote from: Serge on December 20, 2011, 12:52:47 PM

Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 12:48:54 PM

Quote from: Serge on December 20, 2011, 12:40:54 PM

i will tell you honestly the joint, after this thread i will probably ignore any future offerings (services,products,etc) from you if such may come to light. simply because of such a huge deal you've made over rules disagreement in a stupid game

the 1 btc is a gift, not a loan, enjoy it.

Check out my rep in honest traders.

you can be top notch honest guy, but i don't want anything to do with loony fruitcake side of you Wink

That's up to you.

it's pretty simple, watching this thread makes me think that any other simple misunderstandings could escalate to similar proportions.

Fallacy of generalizing the specific, but that's yours to make.

This is simply an issue of fairness. I am not treating this any differently than if it were a marketplace scam. Unfairness is the common denominator of each situation, and that is what I am focusing on.

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Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 01:00:23 PM

Quote from: FlipPro on December 20, 2011, 12:56:04 PM

The joint,

No offense I like you alot, and enjoy reading your posts, but you're complaining about being burned for 5BTC while still having a link to a ponzi-scheme on your sig. It's kind of an oxymoron if you know what I mean...

First, yes, I don't have a lot of money. 5 BTC to me is much more valuable than it is for some people.

And I'm complaining about being burned, not about being burned for 5 BTC. I have many many posts warning the community about potential scammers when I noticed something was fishy. I have always stated my problem with scams and have been genuine and honest in all my transactions on here.

All I am asking for is that honesty and fairness be returned in my direction. I either 1.) Won the game fair and square or 2.) Lost the game due to statistical unfairness. I dont care if it was for .01 BTC, I would react much the same way. The principle is what is important to me here. The amount of BTC is a mitigating factor.

And thanks for the compliment.

I understand... I will stay out of this one Cheesy

. Good luck trying to get this payment. This is why I hate "games" in the forums... It makes for unnecessary drama, because when it's time to pay up, no one has the dough lol.

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Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 12:54:03 PM

Quote from: Serge on December 20, 2011, 12:52:47 PM

Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 12:48:54 PM

Quote from: Serge on December 20, 2011, 12:40:54 PM

i will tell you honestly the joint, after this thread i will probably ignore any future offerings (services,products,etc) from you if such may come to light. simply because of such a huge deal you've made over rules disagreement in a stupid game

the 1 btc is a gift, not a loan, enjoy it.

Check out my rep in honest traders.

you can be top notch honest guy, but i don't want anything to do with loony fruitcake side of you Wink

That's up to you.

it's pretty simple, watching this thread makes me think that any other simple misunderstandings could escalate to similar proportions.

the joint

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Quote from: FlipPro on December 20, 2011, 12:56:04 PM

The joint,

No offense I like you alot, and enjoy reading your posts, but you're complaining about being burned for 5BTC while still having a link to a ponzi-scheme on your sig. It's kind of an oxymoron if you know what I mean...

First, yes, I don't have a lot of money. 5 BTC to me is much more valuable than it is for some people.

And I'm complaining about being burned, not about being burned for 5 BTC. I have many many posts warning the community about potential scammers when I noticed something was fishy. I have always stated my problem with scams and have been genuine and honest in all my transactions on here.

All I am asking for is that honesty and fairness be returned in my direction. I either 1.) Won the game fair and square or 2.) Lost the game due to statistical unfairness. I dont care if it was for .01 BTC, I would react much the same way. The principle is what is important to me here. The amount of BTC is a mitigating factor.

And thanks for the compliment.

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