I Think I Got Screwed out of 5 BTC - page 8.

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Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 12:20:48 PM

Quote from: zby on December 20, 2011, 12:18:16 PM

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Quote from: trogdorjw73 on December 20, 2011, 12:05:10 PM

Nothing like a poor loser starting a new thread. Old_engineer, started the contest, someone said "what time zone" rather early on, and he said "GMT". GMT is the standard time zone in many things because it is the standard. You know, the way that Central time is referred commonly listed as "UTC - 06:00" just to explicitly show what time zone it is? And of course UTC is the replacement of GMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time).

Why would anyone use GMT as the standard? Because it is. When you're dealing with a global environment, what else would you use? Anyway, you lost out on 5BTC because you got in early on a free contest, never corrected your vote (basically because you had a lucky guess), and now you're whining about it. Welcome to the Internet.

All of that is irrelevant since I cast my guess before GMT was even mentioned.

As a result, I never viewed the thread again until yesterday. So, I was completely made unaware of this rule. Hence, the game was played under different rules by different players.

Isn't Universal Time the default?

OMG, is this how you all live your lives?

Do you all walk around living your lives according to GMT or universal time or whatever?

Jesus Christ, this isn't hard to understand. I live in Illinois, so I made a guess based upon my time zone. When my friend asks me "hey, what time are we going to dinner?" I don't know about you but I always make sure to ask him, "You mean, Illinois time or Japan time?"

When you are talking to people from all possible time zones the only universal time is UTC, this is the common reference point.

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Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 12:20:48 PM

Quote from: zby on December 20, 2011, 12:18:16 PM

Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 12:11:47 PM

Quote from: trogdorjw73 on December 20, 2011, 12:05:10 PM

Nothing like a poor loser starting a new thread. Old_engineer, started the contest, someone said "what time zone" rather early on, and he said "GMT". GMT is the standard time zone in many things because it is the standard. You know, the way that Central time is referred commonly listed as "UTC - 06:00" just to explicitly show what time zone it is? And of course UTC is the replacement of GMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time).

Why would anyone use GMT as the standard? Because it is. When you're dealing with a global environment, what else would you use? Anyway, you lost out on 5BTC because you got in early on a free contest, never corrected your vote (basically because you had a lucky guess), and now you're whining about it. Welcome to the Internet.

All of that is irrelevant since I cast my guess before GMT was even mentioned.

As a result, I never viewed the thread again until yesterday. So, I was completely made unaware of this rule. Hence, the game was played under different rules by different players.

Isn't Universal Time the default?

OMG, is this how you all live your lives?

Do you all walk around living your lives according to GMT or universal time or whatever?

Jesus Christ, this isn't hard to understand. I live in Illinois, so I made a guess based upon my time zone. When my friend asks me "hey, what time are we going to dinner?" I don't know about you but I always make sure to ask him, "You mean, Illinois time or Japan time?"

the real point is you shouldn't be complaining about a simple game all done in fun. Old Engineer was donating his 5 BTC just to give all you guys something to do. i did the same thing just last week AND i had to make some clarifications in the rules fortunately only 3 or 4 comments in.

cut your losses now.

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Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 12:17:20 PM

Quote from: trogdorjw73 on December 20, 2011, 12:14:04 PM

Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 12:11:47 PM

Quote from: trogdorjw73 on December 20, 2011, 12:05:10 PM

Nothing like a poor loser starting a new thread. Old_engineer, started the contest, someone said "what time zone" rather early on, and he said "GMT". GMT is the standard time zone in many things because it is the standard. You know, the way that Central time is referred commonly listed as "UTC - 06:00" just to explicitly show what time zone it is? And of course UTC is the replacement of GMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time).

Why would anyone use GMT as the standard? Because it is. When you're dealing with a global environment, what else would you use? Anyway, you lost out on 5BTC because you got in early on a free contest, never corrected your vote (basically because you had a lucky guess), and now you're whining about it. Welcome to the Internet.

All of that is irrelevant since I cast my guess before GMT was even mentioned.

As a result, I never viewed the thread again until yesterday. So, I was completely made unaware of this rule. Hence, the game was played under different rules by different players.

When you make a game, you can decide on the rules. If someone makes a game with unclear rules and then "changes" them with a clarifying comment, it's up to the players to conform to the rule changes.

Dude, do you know what deception is?

Deception:
1. The use of deceit.
2. The fact or state of being deceived.
3. A ruse; a trick.

Whining:
1. To utter a plaintive, high-pitched, protracted sound, as in pain, fear, supplication, or complaint.
2. To complain or protest in a childish fashion.
3. To produce a sustained noise of relatively high pitch.

Which is more likely out of those two? If Old_engineer didn't pay up to anyone, that would be deceit; if he simply chooses to pay someone else because according to his rules that person won, that's nothing of the sort. If you'd like to try and convince the actual winner to part with half of his winnings, that would be a better approach, but they're by no means obligated to do so.

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Quote from: zby on December 20, 2011, 12:18:16 PM

Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 12:11:47 PM

Quote from: trogdorjw73 on December 20, 2011, 12:05:10 PM

Nothing like a poor loser starting a new thread. Old_engineer, started the contest, someone said "what time zone" rather early on, and he said "GMT". GMT is the standard time zone in many things because it is the standard. You know, the way that Central time is referred commonly listed as "UTC - 06:00" just to explicitly show what time zone it is? And of course UTC is the replacement of GMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time).

Why would anyone use GMT as the standard? Because it is. When you're dealing with a global environment, what else would you use? Anyway, you lost out on 5BTC because you got in early on a free contest, never corrected your vote (basically because you had a lucky guess), and now you're whining about it. Welcome to the Internet.

All of that is irrelevant since I cast my guess before GMT was even mentioned.

As a result, I never viewed the thread again until yesterday. So, I was completely made unaware of this rule. Hence, the game was played under different rules by different players.

Isn't Universal Time the default?

Is this how you all live your lives?

Do you all walk around living your lives according to GMT or universal time or whatever?

Jesus Christ, this isn't hard to understand. I live in Illinois, so I made a guess based upon my time zone. If my friend asks me, "Hey, what time are we going to dinner?", I don't know about you but I always make sure to ask him, "You mean, Illinois time or Japan time?"

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Wow. Just wow.

What in the world makes a guy wake up one day and decide to blow any good will and karma that he might have accumulated with the community over losing $20 in a zero-risk wager because of his own faulty assumption?

Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 12:17:20 PM

Dude, do you know what deception is?

Do you?

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Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 12:11:47 PM

Quote from: trogdorjw73 on December 20, 2011, 12:05:10 PM

Nothing like a poor loser starting a new thread. Old_engineer, started the contest, someone said "what time zone" rather early on, and he said "GMT". GMT is the standard time zone in many things because it is the standard. You know, the way that Central time is referred commonly listed as "UTC - 06:00" just to explicitly show what time zone it is? And of course UTC is the replacement of GMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time).

Why would anyone use GMT as the standard? Because it is. When you're dealing with a global environment, what else would you use? Anyway, you lost out on 5BTC because you got in early on a free contest, never corrected your vote (basically because you had a lucky guess), and now you're whining about it. Welcome to the Internet.

All of that is irrelevant since I cast my guess before GMT was even mentioned.

As a result, I never viewed the thread again until yesterday. So, I was completely made unaware of this rule. Hence, the game was played under different rules by different players.

you seriously think he had an obligation to send you a pm notification? the game was all in fun, dude.

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Quote from: Serge on December 20, 2011, 12:14:40 PM

how's OldEngineer was supposed to notify everyone?

Oh, oh, oh! I have an idea! If he needs to change/clarify rules, he should post a comment in the contest thread. Then he can expect anyone that actually cares to update their post; if they don't care, they don't change and worst case they're off by one day. As it so happens, he did this and in a twist of fate we had one of the few people who would be affected get lucky/unlucky. C'est la vie!

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Good grief.
Drop the americo-centrism people.
Bitcoin is global. UTC is the *only* reasonable default.

Idiotic thread.

kokjo

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You are WRONG!

sometimes...

zby

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Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 12:11:47 PM

Quote from: trogdorjw73 on December 20, 2011, 12:05:10 PM

Nothing like a poor loser starting a new thread. Old_engineer, started the contest, someone said "what time zone" rather early on, and he said "GMT". GMT is the standard time zone in many things because it is the standard. You know, the way that Central time is referred commonly listed as "UTC - 06:00" just to explicitly show what time zone it is? And of course UTC is the replacement of GMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time).

Why would anyone use GMT as the standard? Because it is. When you're dealing with a global environment, what else would you use? Anyway, you lost out on 5BTC because you got in early on a free contest, never corrected your vote (basically because you had a lucky guess), and now you're whining about it. Welcome to the Internet.

All of that is irrelevant since I cast my guess before GMT was even mentioned.

As a result, I never viewed the thread again until yesterday. So, I was completely made unaware of this rule. Hence, the game was played under different rules by different players.

Isn't Universal Time the default when you are talking to audience from many different timezones?

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Quote from: trogdorjw73 on December 20, 2011, 12:14:04 PM

Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 12:11:47 PM

Quote from: trogdorjw73 on December 20, 2011, 12:05:10 PM

Nothing like a poor loser starting a new thread. Old_engineer, started the contest, someone said "what time zone" rather early on, and he said "GMT". GMT is the standard time zone in many things because it is the standard. You know, the way that Central time is referred commonly listed as "UTC - 06:00" just to explicitly show what time zone it is? And of course UTC is the replacement of GMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time).

Why would anyone use GMT as the standard? Because it is. When you're dealing with a global environment, what else would you use? Anyway, you lost out on 5BTC because you got in early on a free contest, never corrected your vote (basically because you had a lucky guess), and now you're whining about it. Welcome to the Internet.

All of that is irrelevant since I cast my guess before GMT was even mentioned.

As a result, I never viewed the thread again until yesterday. So, I was completely made unaware of this rule. Hence, the game was played under different rules by different players.

When you make a game, you can decide on the rules. If someone makes a game with unclear rules and then "changes" them with a clarifying comment, it's up to the players to conform to the rule changes.

Dude, do you know what deception is?

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Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 12:01:49 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on December 20, 2011, 12:00:54 PM

Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 11:50:10 AM

First, allow me to direct you attention to this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53888.0

According to the OP in this thread, a bet was set where OldEngineer would pay 5BTC to the person who correctly guessed the date that BTC would cross the $4 threshold. In the event of a tie, the prize would go to the first guesser.

On Dec. 6th US central time, I guessed that the price would cross $4 on Dec. 19th. This is exactly what happened. It crossed $4 sometime around 10pm US central time on Dec. 19.

But, apparently, OldEngineer claims that Goat won. Goat guessed Dec. 20th and was also correct since he was guessing according to Thai Time. OldEngineer claims Goat won because a post on Dec. 7th made the clarification that GMT would be the deciding time.

But, this post, which clarified that GMT would be the deciding time, was made AFTER I cast my guess. Why the hell should I, a person who uses US central time, make a guess based upon GMT?

OldEngineer, please send me BTC as, per the rules of your OP, I am clearly the winner. It is not fair to go by some rule that was just "created" in the middle of the game when my guess was not cast according to those rules.

Edit: I really would not like to make this a big deal if I don't have to. Please fulfill your end of the agreement and there will be no problems.

IIRC, weren't you the guy also siding with the thief who accidentally got sent Bitcoin by mistake by Phantomcircuit who works for Intersango?

I don't even know what IIRC is.

Edit: I do remember what you're talking about, I think. I recall some matter where some exchange mistakenly sent some guy a bunch of BTC who didn't want to return it. I think I remember questioning the legality of the exchange's complaint when they were talking about coming after the guy legally.

i certainly don't want to open up that big wound again, but that was a nasty black eye on Bitcoin at the time. i think it was during the summer. Patrick of Intersango wrote some new code which accidentally sent a large amt of btc to some random guy who decided to keep the btc. it was a clear mistake. his identity was even revealed.

personally, i think he was wrong to do this but i was surprised over how many ppl sided with him. basically most of the Old Guard folks like me sided with Patrick and tried to politely convince him to return the btc whereas the others thought he should be able to keep it.

all sorts of nasty legal threats were made even by the lawyers of this Forum. i don't know the final outcome.

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Quote from: Serge on December 20, 2011, 12:14:40 PM

how's OldEngineer was supposed to notify everyone?

That's not my problem, I was the player.

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how's OldEngineer was supposed to notify everyone?

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Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 12:11:47 PM

Quote from: trogdorjw73 on December 20, 2011, 12:05:10 PM

Nothing like a poor loser starting a new thread. Old_engineer, started the contest, someone said "what time zone" rather early on, and he said "GMT". GMT is the standard time zone in many things because it is the standard. You know, the way that Central time is referred commonly listed as "UTC - 06:00" just to explicitly show what time zone it is? And of course UTC is the replacement of GMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time).

Why would anyone use GMT as the standard? Because it is. When you're dealing with a global environment, what else would you use? Anyway, you lost out on 5BTC because you got in early on a free contest, never corrected your vote (basically because you had a lucky guess), and now you're whining about it. Welcome to the Internet.

All of that is irrelevant since I cast my guess before GMT was even mentioned.

As a result, I never viewed the thread again until yesterday. So, I was completely made unaware of this rule. Hence, the game was played under different rules by different players.

When you make a game, you can decide on the rules. If someone makes a game with unclear rules and then "changes" them with a clarifying comment, it's up to the players to conform to the rule changes.

the joint

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A pm I sent to OldEngineer just now.

Hello,

Please, sir, with all due respect, I have met all the winning criteria of your bet post. There is absolutely no doubt that not-only did I guess correctly according to the OP, but I also: 1.) Guessed before Goat and 2.) I guessed before the suggestion/implementation of your new "rule." Since I was not informed of this rule change, I could not have changed my guess. The fact that the bet is of a guessing-nature does nothing to change the fact that your "rule" was unfair as it did not apply to everyone equally. Some were aware of the rule before guessing...I was not.

Because of this, the game is demonstrated to have been played under false pretenses if you continue to maintain the validity of your "rule." Not everyone playing played by the same rules, and thus your game was slanted.

I understand it is "only 5 BTC" but I would encourage you to follow through on being decent and honest in this matter.

Thank you.

-The Joint

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Quote from: trogdorjw73 on December 20, 2011, 12:05:10 PM

Nothing like a poor loser starting a new thread. Old_engineer, started the contest, someone said "what time zone" rather early on, and he said "GMT". GMT is the standard time zone in many things because it is the standard. You know, the way that Central time is referred commonly listed as "UTC - 06:00" just to explicitly show what time zone it is? And of course UTC is the replacement of GMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time).

Why would anyone use GMT as the standard? Because it is. When you're dealing with a global environment, what else would you use? Anyway, you lost out on 5BTC because you got in early on a free contest, never corrected your vote (basically because you had a lucky guess), and now you're whining about it. Welcome to the Internet.

All of that is irrelevant since I cast my guess before GMT was even mentioned.

As a result, I never viewed the thread again until yesterday. So, I was completely made unaware of this rule. Hence, the game was played under different rules by different players.

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Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 12:01:49 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on December 20, 2011, 12:00:54 PM

Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 11:50:10 AM

First, allow me to direct you attention to this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53888.0

According to the OP in this thread, a bet was set where OldEngineer would pay 5BTC to the person who correctly guessed the date that BTC would cross the $4 threshold. In the event of a tie, the prize would go to the first guesser.

On Dec. 6th US central time, I guessed that the price would cross $4 on Dec. 19th. This is exactly what happened. It crossed $4 sometime around 10pm US central time on Dec. 19.

But, apparently, OldEngineer claims that Goat won. Goat guessed Dec. 20th and was also correct since he was guessing according to Thai Time. OldEngineer claims Goat won because a post on Dec. 7th made the clarification that GMT would be the deciding time.

But, this post, which clarified that GMT would be the deciding time, was made AFTER I cast my guess. Why the hell should I, a person who uses US central time, make a guess based upon GMT?

OldEngineer, please send me BTC as, per the rules of your OP, I am clearly the winner. It is not fair to go by some rule that was just "created" in the middle of the game when my guess was not cast according to those rules.

Edit: I really would not like to make this a big deal if I don't have to. Please fulfill your end of the agreement and there will be no problems.

IIRC, weren't you the guy also siding with the thief who accidentally got sent Bitcoin by mistake by Phantomcircuit who works for Intersango?

I don't even know what IIRC is.

Edit: I do remember what you're talking about, I think. I recall some matter where some exchange mistakenly sent some guy a bunch of BTC who didn't want to return it. I think I remember questioning the legality of the exchange's complaint when they were talking about coming after the guy legally.

IIRC = If I Remember Correctly

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Nothing like a poor loser starting a new thread. Old_engineer, started the contest, someone said "what time zone" rather early on, and he said "GMT". GMT is the standard time zone in many things because it is the standard. You know, the way that Central time is referred commonly listed as "UTC - 06:00" just to explicitly show what time zone it is? And of course UTC is the replacement of GMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time).

Why would anyone use GMT as the standard? Because it is. When you're dealing with a global environment, what else would you use? Anyway, you lost out on 5BTC because you got in early on a free contest, never corrected your vote (basically because you had a lucky guess), and now you're whining about it. Welcome to the Internet. His game, his rules.

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Quote from: cypherdoc on December 20, 2011, 12:00:54 PM

Quote from: the joint on December 20, 2011, 11:50:10 AM

First, allow me to direct you attention to this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53888.0

According to the OP in this thread, a bet was set where OldEngineer would pay 5BTC to the person who correctly guessed the date that BTC would cross the $4 threshold. In the event of a tie, the prize would go to the first guesser.

On Dec. 6th US central time, I guessed that the price would cross $4 on Dec. 19th. This is exactly what happened. It crossed $4 sometime around 10pm US central time on Dec. 19.

But, apparently, OldEngineer claims that Goat won. Goat guessed Dec. 20th and was also correct since he was guessing according to Thai Time. OldEngineer claims Goat won because a post on Dec. 7th made the clarification that GMT would be the deciding time.

But, this post, which clarified that GMT would be the deciding time, was made AFTER I cast my guess. Why the hell should I, a person who uses US central time, make a guess based upon GMT?

OldEngineer, please send me BTC as, per the rules of your OP, I am clearly the winner. It is not fair to go by some rule that was just "created" in the middle of the game when my guess was not cast according to those rules.

Edit: I really would not like to make this a big deal if I don't have to. Please fulfill your end of the agreement and there will be no problems.

IIRC, weren't you the guy also siding with the thief who accidentally got sent Bitcoin by mistake by Phantomcircuit who works for Intersango?

If he was, I'm going to disagree with him on that, but that doesn't affect the issue of old_engineer not paying up.

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