Topic: Incoming Avalon News 8/9/2013 - page 51. (Read 186712 times)
More chips? When?
The only evidence I've seen is the images from the last page.
So the first tonne of chips went from China to Hong Kong, China.
Is that one flight all the evidence of the shipping journey we have?
Could the chips be being held by Hong Kong customs since the end of that first flight?
If Avalon had been ripped off somehow, would they be able to make it public knowledge? Would they instead attempt to send out another delivery to fullfill those missed orders, hoping to catch up as soon as they could? Would they be so bad after all, if that were the case?
What other evidence is there please?
If they were ripped-off and tried to fulfill missing orders without telling everyone what actually happened and not stated what they were doing to correct the "theft" then that is a problem. So the first tonne of chips went from China to Hong Kong, China.
Is that one flight all the evidence of the shipping journey we have?
Could the chips be being held by Hong Kong customs since the end of that first flight?
If Avalon had been ripped off somehow, would they be able to make it public knowledge? Would they instead attempt to send out another delivery to fullfill those missed orders, hoping to catch up as soon as they could? Would they be so bad after all, if that were the case?
What other evidence is there please?
Agreed. If true, perhaps time will tell.
EDIT: corrupt gov officials or mafia? Certainly a good enough reason to keep things hush hush.
The only evidence I've seen is the images from the last page.
So the first tonne of chips went from China to Hong Kong, China.
Is that one flight all the evidence of the shipping journey we have?
Could the chips be being held by Hong Kong customs since the end of that first flight?
If Avalon had been ripped off somehow, would they be able to make it public knowledge? Would they instead attempt to send out another delivery to fullfill those missed orders, hoping to catch up as soon as they could? Would they be so bad after all, if that were the case?
What other evidence is there please?
If they were ripped-off and tried to fulfill missing orders without telling everyone what actually happened and not stated what they were doing to correct the "theft" then that is a problem. So the first tonne of chips went from China to Hong Kong, China.
Is that one flight all the evidence of the shipping journey we have?
Could the chips be being held by Hong Kong customs since the end of that first flight?
If Avalon had been ripped off somehow, would they be able to make it public knowledge? Would they instead attempt to send out another delivery to fullfill those missed orders, hoping to catch up as soon as they could? Would they be so bad after all, if that were the case?
What other evidence is there please?
The only evidence I've seen is the images from the last page.
So the first tonne of chips went from China to Hong Kong, China.
Is that one flight all the evidence of the shipping journey we have?
Could the chips be being held by Hong Kong customs since the end of that first flight?
If Avalon had been ripped off somehow, would they be able to make it public knowledge? Would they instead attempt to send out another delivery to fullfill those missed orders, hoping to catch up as soon as they could? Would they be so bad after all, if that were the case?
What other evidence is there please?
So the first tonne of chips went from China to Hong Kong, China.
Is that one flight all the evidence of the shipping journey we have?
Could the chips be being held by Hong Kong customs since the end of that first flight?
If Avalon had been ripped off somehow, would they be able to make it public knowledge? Would they instead attempt to send out another delivery to fullfill those missed orders, hoping to catch up as soon as they could? Would they be so bad after all, if that were the case?
What other evidence is there please?
None of this matters. Either Avalon contracted to deliver by a certain date or it didn't. If it missed that date it violated contract and can be legally held liable for damages and missing product. You are trying to frame it as if it all no big deal and everyone should just give up on trying to pursue any course of action to rectify the damages - just relax and let it all go. In the real world when people don't meet deadlines they pay for the damages.
you are doing a disservice to the Avalon customers - trying to get them to stay quiet.
Why do people keep saying CHINA? Bitsyncom is a USA corporation, incorporated in the state of Nevada. It is NOT a chinese company.
There is nothing unique about these delays reported all across the Bitcoin mining industry as it's what we see also see in the 'real world'.
Companies set deadlines and targets and issue statements which they genuinely believe to be accurate but due to unforseen circumstances are unable to honour.
The only difference is that in the 'real world' I might be getting angry because the roof hasn't arrived for the house I'm building, but the pool table has already.
Or, I might get angry because the Christmas present I wanted to give my wife is stuck in some sorting office somewhere until after New Year.
How we chose to conduct ourselves when we face adversity is what defines us.
lol you compared getting a delay on gift with a stable value of a few weeks to getting delays of months on a rapidly declining value product. Companies set deadlines and targets and issue statements which they genuinely believe to be accurate but due to unforseen circumstances are unable to honour.
The only difference is that in the 'real world' I might be getting angry because the roof hasn't arrived for the house I'm building, but the pool table has already.
Or, I might get angry because the Christmas present I wanted to give my wife is stuck in some sorting office somewhere until after New Year.
How we chose to conduct ourselves when we face adversity is what defines us.
In the same way my house with no roof is going to survive the winter?
Dude if you hand contractually agreed to have a roof over your house for winter and through what appeared to be negligence, inappropriate behaviour, and a wall of silence leaving you destitute and with uninhabitable living conditions, trust me, you'd be pissed.
Of course I would be pissed, IF I made the incorrect assumption that which you describe. But what if they guy came knocking and told me he had a legitimate reason for going off the grid?
I want to see the evidence to support these claims. Is that too much to ask?
There is nothing unique about these delays reported all across the Bitcoin mining industry as it's what we see also see in the 'real world'.
Companies set deadlines and targets and issue statements which they genuinely believe to be accurate but due to unforseen circumstances are unable to honour.
The only difference is that in the 'real world' I might be getting angry because the roof hasn't arrived for the house I'm building, but the pool table has already.
Or, I might get angry because the Christmas present I wanted to give my wife is stuck in some sorting office somewhere until after New Year.
How we chose to conduct ourselves when we face adversity is what defines us.
lol you compared getting a delay on gift with a stable value of a few weeks to getting delays of months on a rapidly declining value product. Companies set deadlines and targets and issue statements which they genuinely believe to be accurate but due to unforseen circumstances are unable to honour.
The only difference is that in the 'real world' I might be getting angry because the roof hasn't arrived for the house I'm building, but the pool table has already.
Or, I might get angry because the Christmas present I wanted to give my wife is stuck in some sorting office somewhere until after New Year.
How we chose to conduct ourselves when we face adversity is what defines us.
In the same way my house with no roof is going to survive the winter?
Dude if you hand contractually agreed to have a roof over your house for winter and through what appeared to be negligence, inappropriate behaviour, and a wall of silence leaving you destitute and with uninhabitable living conditions, trust me, you'd be pissed.
Of course I would be pissed, IF I made the incorrect assumption that which you describe. But what if they guy came knocking and told me he had a legitimate reason for going off the grid?
I want to see the evidence to support these claims. Is that too much to ask?
In the real world when people don't meet deadlines they pay for the damages.
That's not always true. Generalizations like this are not helpful. The bigger the deadline the more wiggle room is usually built in. Two weeks is really not a ridiculous delay, and anyone with good business sense understands that large projects have large unforeseen problems. Not anticipating some kind of hiccup is the sign of a bad businessman. When you are dealing with this kind of money, not at least calculating the risk of a delay (especially with someone at the helm who's never run this scope of a project before) is doing yourself a disservice. Seriously, who here DIDN'T expect at least a little delay? Batch #1 #2 and #3 all experienced delays.
The vitriol and anger spilling out of this thread is extremely telling.
There is no wiggle room when the object of the contract is time-sensitive. It has been and will be more than a two-week delay and these products are extremely time-sensitive. Whether or not you think that good business sense dictates that there could be a delay does not justify the delay in the legal sense.
Your shilling is extremely telling.
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Why do people keep saying CHINA? Bitsyncom is a USA corporation, incorporated in the state of Nevada. It is NOT a chinese company.
Because they are trying to make excuses for Avalon and Bitsyncom for whom they shill. They want to redirect/absorb the emotions and delay/prevent any actions against Bitsyncom and Avalon. 
There is nothing unique about these delays reported all across the Bitcoin mining industry as it's what we see also see in the 'real world'.
Companies set deadlines and targets and issue statements which they genuinely believe to be accurate but due to unforseen circumstances are unable to honour.
The only difference is that in the 'real world' I might be getting angry because the roof hasn't arrived for the house I'm building, but the pool table has already.
Or, I might get angry because the Christmas present I wanted to give my wife is stuck in some sorting office somewhere until after New Year.
How we chose to conduct ourselves when we face adversity is what defines us.
lol you compared getting a delay on gift with a stable value of a few weeks to getting delays of months on a rapidly declining value product. Companies set deadlines and targets and issue statements which they genuinely believe to be accurate but due to unforseen circumstances are unable to honour.
The only difference is that in the 'real world' I might be getting angry because the roof hasn't arrived for the house I'm building, but the pool table has already.
Or, I might get angry because the Christmas present I wanted to give my wife is stuck in some sorting office somewhere until after New Year.
How we chose to conduct ourselves when we face adversity is what defines us.
In the same way my house with no roof is going to survive the winter?
Dude if you hand contractually agreed to have a roof over your house for winter and through what appeared to be negligence, inappropriate behaviour, and a wall of silence leaving you destitute and with uninhabitable living conditions, trust me, you'd be pissed.
There is nothing unique about these delays reported all across the Bitcoin mining industry as it's what we see also see in the 'real world'.
Companies set deadlines and targets and issue statements which they genuinely believe to be accurate but due to unforseen circumstances are unable to honour.
The only difference is that in the 'real world' I might be getting angry because the roof hasn't arrived for the house I'm building, but the pool table has already.
Or, I might get angry because the Christmas present I wanted to give my wife is stuck in some sorting office somewhere until after New Year.
How we chose to conduct ourselves when we face adversity is what defines us.
None of this matters. Either Avalon contracted to deliver by a certain date or it didn't. If it missed that date it violated contract and can be legally held liable for damages and missing product. You are trying to frame it as if it all no big deal and everyone should just give up on trying to pursue any course of action to rectify the damages - just relax and let it all go. In the real world when people don't meet deadlines they pay for the damages.Companies set deadlines and targets and issue statements which they genuinely believe to be accurate but due to unforseen circumstances are unable to honour.
The only difference is that in the 'real world' I might be getting angry because the roof hasn't arrived for the house I'm building, but the pool table has already.
Or, I might get angry because the Christmas present I wanted to give my wife is stuck in some sorting office somewhere until after New Year.
How we chose to conduct ourselves when we face adversity is what defines us.
you are doing a disservice to the Avalon customers - trying to get them to stay quiet.
I disagree with you. The only injustice I see here is a small group of people venting their anger and attempting to frame a Bitcoin start-up simply because it's late in delivering goods.
Not every country in the 'real world' has a policy of sueing each other just becuse they feel hard done by.
I've seen this over and over again. Mark my words, very soon this will all be forgotten and instead the angry voices will simply move on to another target.
As I said, 'How we chose to conduct ourselves in the face of adversity is what defines us.'
There is nothing unique about these delays reported all across the Bitcoin mining industry as it's what we see also see in the 'real world'.
Companies set deadlines and targets and issue statements which they genuinely believe to be accurate but due to unforseen circumstances are unable to honour.
The only difference is that in the 'real world' I might be getting angry because the roof hasn't arrived for the house I'm building, but the pool table has already.
Or, I might get angry because the Christmas present I wanted to give my wife is stuck in some sorting office somewhere until after New Year.
How we chose to conduct ourselves when we face adversity is what defines us.
lol you compared getting a delay on gift with a stable value of a few weeks to getting delays of months on a rapidly declining value product. Companies set deadlines and targets and issue statements which they genuinely believe to be accurate but due to unforseen circumstances are unable to honour.
The only difference is that in the 'real world' I might be getting angry because the roof hasn't arrived for the house I'm building, but the pool table has already.
Or, I might get angry because the Christmas present I wanted to give my wife is stuck in some sorting office somewhere until after New Year.
How we chose to conduct ourselves when we face adversity is what defines us.
In the same way my house with no roof is going to survive the winter?
None of this matters. Either Avalon contracted to deliver by a certain date or it didn't. If it missed that date it violated contract and can be legally held liable for damages and missing product. You are trying to frame it as if it all no big deal and everyone should just give up on trying to pursue any course of action to rectify the damages - just relax and let it all go. In the real world when people don't meet deadlines they pay for the damages.
you are doing a disservice to the Avalon customers - trying to get them to stay quiet.
Why do people keep saying CHINA? Bitsyncom is a USA corporation, incorporated in the state of Nevada. It is NOT a chinese company.
There is nothing unique about these delays reported all across the Bitcoin mining industry as it's what we see also see in the 'real world'.
Companies set deadlines and targets and issue statements which they genuinely believe to be accurate but due to unforseen circumstances are unable to honour.
The only difference is that in the 'real world' I might be getting angry because the roof hasn't arrived for the house I'm building, but the pool table has already.
Or, I might get angry because the Christmas present I wanted to give my wife is stuck in some sorting office somewhere until after New Year.
How we chose to conduct ourselves when we face adversity is what defines us.
None of this matters. Either Avalon contracted to deliver by a certain date or it didn't. If it missed that date it violated contract and can be legally held liable for damages and missing product. You are trying to frame it as if it all no big deal and everyone should just give up on trying to pursue any course of action to rectify the damages - just relax and let it all go. In the real world when people don't meet deadlines they pay for the damages.Companies set deadlines and targets and issue statements which they genuinely believe to be accurate but due to unforseen circumstances are unable to honour.
The only difference is that in the 'real world' I might be getting angry because the roof hasn't arrived for the house I'm building, but the pool table has already.
Or, I might get angry because the Christmas present I wanted to give my wife is stuck in some sorting office somewhere until after New Year.
How we chose to conduct ourselves when we face adversity is what defines us.
you are doing a disservice to the Avalon customers - trying to get them to stay quiet.
I disagree with you. The only injustice I see here is a small group of people venting their anger and attempting to frame a Bitcoin start-up simply because it's late in delivering goods.
Not every country in the 'real world' has a policy of sueing each other just becuse they feel hard done by.
I've seen this over and over again. Mark my words, very soon this will all be forgotten and instead the angry voices will simply move on to another target.
As I said, 'How we chose to conduct ourselves in the face of adversity is what defines us.'
There is nothing unique about these delays reported all across the Bitcoin mining industry as it's what we see also see in the 'real world'.
Companies set deadlines and targets and issue statements which they genuinely believe to be accurate but due to unforseen circumstances are unable to honour.
The only difference is that in the 'real world' I might be getting angry because the roof hasn't arrived for the house I'm building, but the pool table has already.
Or, I might get angry because the Christmas present I wanted to give my wife is stuck in some sorting office somewhere until after New Year.
How we chose to conduct ourselves when we face adversity is what defines us.
lol you compared getting a delay on gift with a stable value of a few weeks to getting delays of months on a rapidly declining value product. Companies set deadlines and targets and issue statements which they genuinely believe to be accurate but due to unforseen circumstances are unable to honour.
The only difference is that in the 'real world' I might be getting angry because the roof hasn't arrived for the house I'm building, but the pool table has already.
Or, I might get angry because the Christmas present I wanted to give my wife is stuck in some sorting office somewhere until after New Year.
How we chose to conduct ourselves when we face adversity is what defines us.
None of this matters. Either Avalon contracted to deliver by a certain date or it didn't. If it missed that date it violated contract and can be legally held liable for damages and missing product. You are trying to frame it as if it all no big deal and everyone should just give up on trying to pursue any course of action to rectify the damages - just relax and let it all go. In the real world when people don't meet deadlines they pay for the damages.
you are doing a disservice to the Avalon customers - trying to get them to stay quiet.
In the real world when people don't meet deadlines they pay for the damages.
That's not always true. Generalizations like this are not helpful. The bigger the deadline the more wiggle room is usually built in. Two weeks is really not a ridiculous delay, and anyone with good business sense understands that large projects have large unforeseen problems. Not anticipating some kind of hiccup is the sign of a bad businessman. When you are dealing with this kind of money, not at least calculating the risk of a delay (especially with someone at the helm who's never run this scope of a project before) is doing yourself a disservice. Seriously, who here DIDN'T expect at least a little delay? Batch #1 #2 and #3 all experienced delays.
The vitriol and anger spilling out of this thread is extremely telling.
I've seen lots of wild accusations and aimless anger, without any hard proof that Avalon have done anything wrong. There are always risks with customs, manufacture etc.; the delivery date was always a target - not guaranteed. Everyone needs to calm down: no one was promised ROI.
This isn't true. The group buys were guaranteed the chips within 9-10 weeks of purchase.Could you link me this guarantee, please?
There is nothing unique about these delays reported all across the Bitcoin mining industry as it's what we see also see in the 'real world'.
Companies set deadlines and targets and issue statements which they genuinely believe to be accurate but due to unforseen circumstances are unable to honour.
The only difference is that in the 'real world' I might be getting angry because the roof hasn't arrived for the house I'm building, but the pool table has already.
Or, I might get angry because the Christmas present I wanted to give my wife is stuck in some sorting office somewhere until after New Year.
How we chose to conduct ourselves when we face adversity is what defines us.
Lulz, it's not about delayed shipments due to customsCompanies set deadlines and targets and issue statements which they genuinely believe to be accurate but due to unforseen circumstances are unable to honour.
The only difference is that in the 'real world' I might be getting angry because the roof hasn't arrived for the house I'm building, but the pool table has already.
Or, I might get angry because the Christmas present I wanted to give my wife is stuck in some sorting office somewhere until after New Year.
How we chose to conduct ourselves when we face adversity is what defines us.
Yes you can live in a whole in the ground and pretend that's what it's about ...
If customs was the real reason he could easily prove that.
It's the issue ... again ... of what happened to the chips they had ... and who they sold them to.
Bare in mind Kano reads Chinese and has read the BTCman thread.
Not sure if this is a joke. If it is not I'd suggest it's one man's opinion and not gospel. lulz
This is the tracking for those Avalon 2.1 million chips received at the end of June;
That's a 853Kg pallet of chips.
From Pudong Airport - PVG / ZSPD - Shanghai, China, to Hong Kong Airport - HKG / VHHH - Hong Kong, China
8 Weeks ago.
http://imgur.com/a/GR0e3
I've seen lots of wild accusations and aimless anger, without any hard proof that Avalon have done anything wrong. There are always risks with customs, manufacture etc.; the delivery date was always a target - not guaranteed. Everyone needs to calm down: no one was promised ROI.
This isn't true. The group buys were guaranteed the chips within 9-10 weeks of purchase.Could you link me this guarantee, please?
There is nothing unique about these delays reported all across the Bitcoin mining industry as it's what we see also see in the 'real world'.
Companies set deadlines and targets and issue statements which they genuinely believe to be accurate but due to unforseen circumstances are unable to honour.
The only difference is that in the 'real world' I might be getting angry because the roof hasn't arrived for the house I'm building, but the pool table has already.
Or, I might get angry because the Christmas present I wanted to give my wife is stuck in some sorting office somewhere until after New Year.
How we chose to conduct ourselves when we face adversity is what defines us.
None of this matters. Either Avalon contracted to deliver by a certain date or it didn't. If it missed that date it violated contract and can be legally held liable for damages and missing product. You are trying to frame it as if it all no big deal and everyone should just give up on trying to pursue any course of action to rectify the damages - just relax and let it all go. In the real world when people don't meet deadlines they pay for the damages.Companies set deadlines and targets and issue statements which they genuinely believe to be accurate but due to unforseen circumstances are unable to honour.
The only difference is that in the 'real world' I might be getting angry because the roof hasn't arrived for the house I'm building, but the pool table has already.
Or, I might get angry because the Christmas present I wanted to give my wife is stuck in some sorting office somewhere until after New Year.
How we chose to conduct ourselves when we face adversity is what defines us.
you are doing a disservice to the Avalon customers - trying to get them to stay quiet.
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