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Topic: Incoming Avalon News 8/9/2013 - page 88. (Read 186712 times)

g83
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August 09, 2013, 03:33:19 AM
Nobody ever sold any ROI !

 Huh

That makes no sense.

Just was a quote to the comment: I demand compensation for late devices! Price was determinated by 1 month ROI.

Noone ever made promises about any return of investment especially in bitcoinbusiness..


So what your are actually wanted to say is:

Nobody ever made a 100% ROI.

OK, got it now.

I think some made much more than that - bought B1 for 1500 $ - sold for 80 BTC and more - thats > 500 % ROI
legendary
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August 09, 2013, 03:30:59 AM
Nobody ever sold any ROI !

 Huh

That makes no sense.

Just was a quote to the comment: I demand compensation for late devices! Price was determinated by 1 month ROI.

Noone ever made promises about any return of investment especially in bitcoinbusiness..


So what your are actually wanted to say is:

Nobody ever made a 100% ROI.

OK, got it now.
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August 09, 2013, 03:30:44 AM
Nobody ever sold any ROI !

 Huh

That makes no sense.

Just was a quote to the comment: I demand compensation for late devices! Price was determinated by 1 month ROI.

Noone ever made promises about any return of investment especially in bitcoinbusiness..

Promises made on delivery time.
Stop playing stupid.

Avalon in may is MUCH different than avalon in july. You understand that Huh
legendary
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August 09, 2013, 03:29:13 AM
WTF are you talking about?
Try reading, instead of deleting, the context.  The context is the key my dear, confused, young beginning reader.

What the hell does the 2nd amendment have to do with taking someone "somewhere very unpleasant to extract the names of who sent them."? Are you delusional or something? You are aware there are other amendments besides the 2nd right?

Try reading, instead of deleting, the context.  The context is the key my dear, confused, young beginning reader.
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August 09, 2013, 03:28:13 AM
Nobody ever sold any ROI !

 Huh

That makes no sense.

Price of Avalon units IS based fundamentally on ROI point of 1 month!
END OF STORY!

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August 09, 2013, 03:28:01 AM
Nobody ever sold any ROI !

The peeps who got Avalon Batch 1, got a nice ROI i think..
g83
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August 09, 2013, 03:26:33 AM
Nobody ever sold any ROI !

 Huh

That makes no sense.

Just was a quote to the comment: I demand compensation for late devices! Price was determinated by 1 month ROI.

Noone ever made promises about any return of investment especially in bitcoinbusiness..
legendary
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August 09, 2013, 03:24:42 AM
Nobody ever sold any ROI !

 Huh

That makes no sense.
g83
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August 09, 2013, 03:20:44 AM
Nobody ever sold any ROI !
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August 09, 2013, 03:20:23 AM
WTF are you talking about?
Try reading, instead of deleting, the context.  The context is the key my dear, confused, young beginning reader.

What the hell does the 2nd amendment have to do with taking someone "somewhere very unpleasant to extract the names of who sent them."? Are you delusional or something? You are aware there are other amendments besides the 2nd right?
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August 09, 2013, 03:19:12 AM
You know how it is - you've been on a long plane flight - you've been drinking free booze all flight in first class - you get back in front of your computer you've not been near for weeks due to partying, whoring and boozing in Vegas, and it's like
"Hmm PMs and emails while I've been away ... oh well, guess I better say something before I pass out so I can ignore that crap for another week ..."
Wakes up the next morning ... oh crap I said "tomorrow" in the post ... oh well no one will notice anything different if I do nothing for a few days, they're used to that from me, and I am only a PR guy, not like I know anything about hardware or software and have control over anything except delaying deliveries ... ... ...

don't you got better things to do like writing code mr. software engineer than waste time with some first-class-riding booze-drinking "pr guy" like me?

anyhow, update is live on main page. http://avalon-asics.com



fuck you fat ass, shipping the orders on time or say something about compensation for the loss.

AT LEAST SOMETHING LIKE THAT!

I demand compensation for late devices! Price was determinated by 1 month ROI.
As the matter stands now ROI will be never reached. BECAUSE YOU WAS LATE !!!!

Do you realize that behaving like you do will bring dark clouds on everyone involved with Avalon team.
eve
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August 09, 2013, 03:07:19 AM
The only fair thing he can do is refund the groupbuyers, and then they can refund the clients (minus their markup ofcourse).
Then, he can announce a new IN STOCK price where previous group buyers can get a first in line order queue.
With that, i would for sure buy double the amount i have on order through my group buyer if i know it will be in stock, and at a lower rate.
I doubt it will happend though.

Good Call but would the group buy promoters agreed?
hero member
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August 09, 2013, 03:06:23 AM
Terrible PR from Avalon! They brush the issues under the table and then rub salt into the wounds, announcing new, improved products.

Anyone would be stupid to not know that these chips would be quickly outdated, that is how mining BTC is going, but I personally was going to reinvest the money in new tech once i broke even, now with my chips probably arriving after the new generation chips this is not going to be possible.

As has been mentioned multiple times in this and other threads, if this was any other product there would be outrage!

I know one thing for sure, I wont be buying new chips from them, even if i don't have to pre order

Trust is an important factor in any expensive purchase and I have 0% trust for them now.
legendary
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August 09, 2013, 03:05:50 AM
WTF are you talking about?

Try reading, instead of deleting, the context.  The context is the key my dear, confused, young beginning reader.
legendary
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August 09, 2013, 03:02:16 AM
yes, dont hijack this thread with some rubbish!

YIFU GIFU TOOK 8 mil $ in preorders, didnt deliver, he fucked a bunch of small miners, and you are talking about avalon team and their security?

Dont feed that Yifu troll!
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August 09, 2013, 02:56:24 AM
The best way to deal with this is to pool resources and get chips directly from a fab, ALA ASICMiner. Labcoin's costs from the fab are about $2/Gh/s.  They have their first 130nm chip off at the fab, and are working on a 65nm design. I think their shares are a good bet. ActiveMining and BTCGarden are doing the same.

Too bad the PRC is an unfree nation of robotic slave insects not allowed to own the means of self-defense, a basic human right.

If some thug showed up at an American's house intending to threaten/extort their brilliant entrepreneurial child, they would either be killed on the spot or taken somewhere very unpleasant to extract the names of who sent them.

From now on, I only invest in ASIC firms located in countries that respect/protect the right to keep and bear arms.

WTF are you talking about?
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August 09, 2013, 02:55:44 AM
Asicminer is working on 2nd gen chip (55nm or 65nm) at least since may 17th (first information from friedcat).

Too late?
legendary
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August 09, 2013, 02:54:56 AM
And to Benturas:    Its not about being greedy its about being on time and doing business right.  My Father taught me to be a man of my word and have integrity.  Own up to your mistakes and show accountability.  In this case: "Excuses are like Assholes.  Everyone has them and they all stink."  

Does "doing business right" mean ignoring credible threats of violence?

Credible threats of violence can be dealt by hiring security and police escorts, etc.  Thats what everyone else in the world does when they have a very valuable service and product to offer.

I don't mean to offend, but it is clear you have little understanding of how the world works. People hire security and escorts for baseline protection, when there is no suspicion of ill-will. Death threats require an entirely different sort of response.

If the president gets a death threat, do you think he takes the planned route? Do you think he makes his public appearance as usual, and says "ah, hell, I've got security"?

And lastly, I bet these "credible threats of violence" were somewhat self-inflicted, Yifu was not communicating with his customers regularly and thus was not very transparent.  This pissed a lot of customers off.  If you have more delays and excuses, let your customers know what is going on and stop giving half ass customer support.

I am speechless. Are you attempting to argue that he deserved the threats of violence?

And girls who wear short skirts are 'asking' to be raped, right?

(Furthermore: the lack of communication is implied to be the product of the threats. Millions of dollars worth of coins, chips, and hardware are enough to provoke extortion from unsavory sorts.)

Too bad the PRC is an unfree nation of robotic slave insects not allowed to own the means of self-defense, a basic human right.

If some thug showed up at an American's house intending to threaten/extort their brilliant entrepreneurial child, they would either be killed on the spot or taken somewhere very unpleasant to extract the names of who sent them.

From now on, I only invest in ASIC firms located in countries that respect/protect the right to keep and bear arms.
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August 09, 2013, 02:54:42 AM
Asicminer is working on 2nd gen chip (55nm or 65nm) at least since may 17th (first information from friedcat).
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August 09, 2013, 02:46:49 AM
@ Unacceptable

Whatever the companies state for their target timeline:

If Avalon, then multiply by 1.5x to 2x. I think this has been proven more than once now. Expect High performance and low efficiency.

If BFL, then use exponential curves. Whatever you get, (if you get it), be happy.

If AM, then use 0.6x whatever they claim. Expect low performance and price gouging.


seriously. i think those that did their due diligence would have come to a similar conclusion for avalon delivery times.  PuertoLibre has been following avalon since the beginning and knows what to expect from them.

i was fortunate enough to be a batch #1 customer, but even that was delayed about a month and a half (after having announced they "shipped") with very little communication from avalon (it was nerve wracking). As a result of their weak customer service and still unproven mass delivery capability, I only purchased a single batch #2 unit which ended up being 3.75 months late (originally March 10th ship date). I didn't even attempt to buy batch #3 and stayed the fuck away from chip sales (wouldn't touch the chips with a 10 ft pole)...in my estimation 8-10 weeks meant avalon would take 4 weeks to put the order in, wait 8-10weeks for chips to be made and then some unforeseen shipping mishap would delay at least another month.
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