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Topic: Intellectual Property - In All Fairness! - page 8. (Read 105875 times)

legendary
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October 21, 2011, 04:19:46 PM
 
Mockery is a high form of wit. 


... Wit what?
Red
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October 21, 2011, 04:14:43 PM
And I think that your humor bone is broken.  Mockery is a high form of wit.  The lowest form of humor is either fart sounds or lawyers.  Hard to say.

LMAO! If I had a sig that would be in it! Woot!
legendary
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October 21, 2011, 04:06:26 PM
Just because an argument can be used to justify slavery does not mean the argument is wrong. 


Just stop and read that again.


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I assume this repeating stuff that has already been refuted

Wait, is there someone else in this thread that I can't see?

Read it again.  Its still true.

Maybe.

It's still immoral, also.
legendary
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October 21, 2011, 04:05:11 PM
Just because an argument can be used to justify slavery does not mean the argument is wrong. 


Just stop and read that again.


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I assume this repeating stuff that has already been refuted

Wait, is there someone else in this thread that I can't see?

Read it again.  Its still true.
legendary
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October 21, 2011, 04:01:41 PM
Just because an argument can be used to justify slavery does not mean the argument is wrong. 


Just stop and read that again.


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I assume this repeating stuff that has already been refuted

Wait, is there someone else in this thread that I can't see?
legendary
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October 21, 2011, 03:54:01 PM
Well we should see plenty movies being made without IP protection then?  No change of the law needed. 

Well we should see plenty of cotton being picked without slaves then? No change in law needed.

Seriously, you make this too easy.

Every argument you've come up with for IP law is just as good an argument for slavery. No, the same is not true for all arguments, just the awesome ones you've made.

You mentioned that several times now.  Just because an argument can be used to justify slavery does not mean the argument is wrong. 

I assume this repeating stuff that has already been refuted is your way of saying you lost the argument but will carry on posting anyway.
sr. member
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October 21, 2011, 03:31:11 PM
Well we should see plenty movies being made without IP protection then?  No change of the law needed. 

Well we should see plenty of cotton being picked without slaves then? No change in law needed.

Seriously, you make this too easy.

Every argument you've come up with for IP law is just as good an argument for slavery. No, the same is not true for all arguments, just the awesome ones you've made.
legendary
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October 21, 2011, 03:27:30 PM
...snip...

But I am! I am WILDLY violating copyright laws by copying every movie I own, sometimes even many times when my network storage makes multiple copies! Can't you see how that is destroying the movie industry and making the movie maker not be able to get paid and cover the millions it takes to make his movies?

Sarcasm - lowest form of wit.  Run out of rational arguments?

No, patience.

And I think that your humor bone is broken.  Mockery is a high form of wit.  The lowest form of humor is either fart sounds or lawyers.  Hard to say.

BTW, he was definately mocking you.
legendary
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October 21, 2011, 03:24:44 PM
...snip...

But I am! I am WILDLY violating copyright laws by copying every movie I own, sometimes even many times when my network storage makes multiple copies! Can't you see how that is destroying the movie industry and making the movie maker not be able to get paid and cover the millions it takes to make his movies?

Sarcasm - lowest form of wit.  Run out of rational arguments?
legendary
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October 21, 2011, 03:18:05 PM
...snip...

I'm guessing the answers all have lots of zeros  Shocked

You just repeated my point. I don't show my backups in theaters, because the quality sucks, and everyone by they has already seen the movie. I do at times pay theaters to see good movies on a big screen, and I also show my own copies of movies to friends on my home theater system for free. Though na lot of those movies they have also seen and paid for in movie theaters previously.

But, again, PLEASE guess how well those copyright notices work at stopping me from copying or showing my movies to peopl. Please? I mean, you just seem SO confident that they are the reason movies aren't copied all over the place, and I so want to shoot down your point!

If you are not stopping the movie maker getting paid by the movie theater, what's the problem? 

But I am! I am WILDLY violating copyright laws by copying every movie I own, sometimes even many times when my network storage makes multiple copies! Can't you see how that is destroying the movie industry and making the movie maker not be able to get paid and cover the millions it takes to make his movies?
legendary
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October 21, 2011, 03:08:30 PM
...snip...

I'm guessing the answers all have lots of zeros  Shocked

You just repeated my point. I don't show my backups in theaters, because the quality sucks, and everyone by they has already seen the movie. I do at times pay theaters to see good movies on a big screen, and I also show my own copies of movies to friends on my home theater system for free. Though na lot of those movies they have also seen and paid for in movie theaters previously.

But, again, PLEASE guess how well those copyright notices work at stopping me from copying or showing my movies to peopl. Please? I mean, you just seem SO confident that they are the reason movies aren't copied all over the place, and I so want to shoot down your point!

If you are not stopping the movie maker getting paid by the movie theater, what's the problem? 
legendary
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October 21, 2011, 03:04:36 PM
So you reckon the movie industry would do just fine if they removed the copyright notices from all their works?  Nothing would leak and everyone would just play nicely.

Can you guess how much of an effect those notices have had on me to stop me from making copies (backups) of those movies? Please guess!

How many movie theaters do you show your "backups" in?  What do you charge for the tickets?  What percentage do you pay the movie maker?

I'm guessing the answers all have lots of zeros  Shocked

You just repeated my point. I don't show my backups in theaters, because the quality sucks, and everyone by they has already seen the movie. I do at times pay theaters to see good movies on a big screen, and I also show my own copies of movies to friends on my home theater system for free. Though na lot of those movies they have also seen and paid for in movie theaters previously.

But, again, PLEASE guess how well those copyright notices work at stopping me from copying or showing my movies to peopl. Please? I mean, you just seem SO confident that they are the reason movies aren't copied all over the place, and I so want to shoot down your point!
legendary
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October 21, 2011, 02:53:13 PM
So you reckon the movie industry would do just fine if they removed the copyright notices from all their works?  Nothing would leak and everyone would just play nicely.

Can you guess how much of an effect those notices have had on me to stop me from making copies (backups) of those movies? Please guess!

How many movie theaters do you show your "backups" in?  What do you charge for the tickets?  What percentage do you pay the movie maker?

I'm guessing the answers all have lots of zeros  Shocked
legendary
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October 21, 2011, 02:51:54 PM
...snip...

You are kidding yourself.

And your kidding yourself if you think that they depend upon copyright to protect their data.  They might swing that stick if that is the only option, but it's a pretty small stick relatively speaking. 

Well we should see plenty movies being made without IP protection then?  No change of the law needed.  
legendary
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October 21, 2011, 02:50:57 PM
So you reckon the movie industry would do just fine if they removed the copyright notices from all their works?  Nothing would leak and everyone would just play nicely.

Can you guess how much of an effect those notices have had on me to stop me from making copies (backups) of those movies? Please guess!
sr. member
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October 21, 2011, 02:50:40 PM
Secret stuff leaks.  Ask Bradley Manning.

I can't. There are consequences for breaking contracts...
legendary
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October 21, 2011, 02:49:02 PM
Moonshadow - the income was from movie theaters.  If there was no IP law, the movie theater could get the movie for free.

For the last time, no they can't!  I'd like to see you try to get a movie theater quality file from the Internet, or anywhere else, without paying for it.  You can't even get a movie theater quality video of B-rate horror movies from the 30's from the internet.  If they could, why wouldn't theaters in Cuba show the first run movies?  Do you think that Cuban communists give a crap about what a capitalist pig company such as Warner Brothers might do?  Do you think that 'international law' crap on the FBI warning has any real force in Cuba (or anywhere else)?  It would be hard for a hacker in China to get even a VHS quality copy of a first run movie before opening weekend.  That is because the production companies use contract law to bind the distributors to tight security rules, and punish them severely if they fail.  Which, BTW, is incrediblely rare.

So you reckon the movie industry would do just fine if they removed the copyright notices from all their works?  Nothing would leak and everyone would just play nicely.

You are kidding yourself.

And your kidding yourself if you think that they depend upon copyright to protect their data.  They might swing that stick if that is the only option, but it's a pretty small stick relatively speaking. 
legendary
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Merit: 1001
October 21, 2011, 02:47:07 PM
Moonshadow - the income was from movie theaters.  If there was no IP law, the movie theater could get the movie for free.

For the last time, no they can't!  I'd like to see you try to get a movie theater quality file from the Internet, or anywhere else, without paying for it.  You can't even get a movie theater quality video of B-rate horror movies from the 30's from the internet.  If they could, why wouldn't theaters in Cuba show the first run movies?  Do you think that Cuban communists give a crap about what a capitalist pig company such as Warner Brothers might do?  Do you think that 'international law' crap on the FBI warning has any real force in Cuba (or anywhere else)?  It would be hard for a hacker in China to get even a VHS quality copy of a first run movie before opening weekend.  That is because the production companies use contract law to bind the distributors to tight security rules, and punish them severely if they fail.  Which, BTW, is incrediblely rare.

So you reckon the movie industry would do just fine if they removed the copyright notices from all their works?  Nothing would leak and everyone would just play nicely.

You are kidding yourself.
legendary
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Merit: 1010
October 21, 2011, 02:46:27 PM
Moonshadow - the income was from movie theaters.  If there was no IP law, the movie theater could get the movie for free. 

FROM WHOM? WHERE? HOW?

Secret stuff leaks.  Ask Bradley Manning.

Bradley Manning had direct access to that data, because he had direct access to a secure network node.  While you're asking him about how he did it, ask him how it worked out for him.
legendary
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Merit: 1010
October 21, 2011, 02:44:09 PM
Moonshadow - the income was from movie theaters.  If there was no IP law, the movie theater could get the movie for free.

For the last time, no they can't!  I'd like to see you try to get a movie theater quality file from the Internet, or anywhere else, without paying for it.  You can't even get a movie theater quality video of B-rate horror movies from the 30's from the internet.  If they could, why wouldn't theaters in Cuba show the first run movies?  Do you think that Cuban communists give a crap about what a capitalist pig company such as Warner Brothers might do?  Do you think that 'international law' crap on the FBI warning has any real force in Cuba (or anywhere else)?  It would be hard for a hacker in China to get even a VHS quality copy of a first run movie before opening weekend.  That is because the production companies use contract law to bind the distributors to tight security rules, and punish them severely if they fail.  Which, BTW, is incrediblely rare.
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