Topic: Intellectual Property - In All Fairness! - page 9. (Read 105893 times)

Secret stuff leaks.  Ask Bradley Manning.

FROM WHOM? WHERE? HOW?

She has the copyright, she is not elliblge for royalties.  The copyrights of dead artists prevent her from claiming any royalties.  She spent years of her life and more than $50K to produce the movie, and couldn't charge a dime for the finished work because the royalty payments to the holding companies that bought the copyrights to the works of dead artists would have exceeded the total cost of production by a significant margin.  Due to fair use law, she was able to release the work for free, but can never accept a dime in royalties.  How does that encourage artists to create new works?  Are holding companies contributing to the body of work?  If so, how?

It was a pretty good movie, BTW, and she takes donations in bitcoin.

Moonshadow - the income was from movie theaters.  If there was no IP law, the movie theater could get the movie for free.  So no income and no movies.  And saying they should "suck it up" is not your decision.  Society protects its members from harm like that.

You're right, they wouldn't sue the non-contracted movie theater.  They would sue the party responsible for either the movie's release, claim it against their insurance as a loss, or suck it up.

Which is pretty much what happens now.  The consequences to a movie theater if an employee were to leak the movie are pretty harsh, and only because of contract law.  I can think of only one case in the past 20 years that a first run movie was leaked to the Internet (before it's release on DVD) in any format worthy of watching, and that was due to a pre-release production version being taken home by an employee of the editing company under contract to the production company.  That editing company doesn't exist anymore, and I doubt that editor could even find work in the porn industry.  Theaters are under contract to prevent attendees from bringing in recording devices to even produce those crappy versions that sometimes appear after the opening weekend.

Here it is...

http://news.softpedia.com/news/X-Men-Origins-Wolverine-Torrent-Still-Available-108408.shtml

Wait, a DVD quality movie hits the Internet before opening weekend?  And the movie only managed to pull in $87 million for opening weekend!   However will Warner Brothers ever survive!  Oh, the humanity!

""X-Men Origins: Wolverine" reaped an estimated $87 million, scoring number one at the box office this weekend, according to audience trackers Nielsen EDI. The films totals mark the second-highest opening of the four X-Men films, behind 2006's "X-Men: The Last Stand". Despite having the best weekend of any film released, the film did not meet industry projections."

http://www.ticketnews.com/news/X-Men-Origins-Wolverine-has-solid-opening-weekend-at-the-box-office05904066

The part where you still can't show me how or where a theater can get film quality movies to show. Especially on movie release dates. Also still waiting for explanation of how do download stuff from Hulu...

Without IP laws, the movie theater never needs to buy a movie again.  What part of that do you not understand?

If she has copyright, she has a right to royalties.  I never heard of her but if there are enough fans that she can make a living off it, more power to her.

They don't sue for piracy. Theaters don't have enough cash to make paying for expensive lawyers worth it. They simply never sell movies to that theater again, and let it go out of business. Movie theaters also know that if they want to continue getting good quality movies on opening days, they must honor the contracts not to distribute the movies.
What part of that are you not able to understand?

There is a way for them to get a return, and make the movie theater pay for it, and prevent the movie theater from making or getting copies of it, all without IP laws.

Take away IP laws and there won't be such a thing as first run theaters.  If contract law was enough, they would never sue for piracy when someone shows an unpaid for film in a non-contracted movie theater.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.585369

I'm still waiting for a response, Hawker.

They can't! And that fact has zero to do with IP laws!  Take away every copyright law protecting movies, and it won't change a thing about how first run theaters operate!  Nor would it have much affect on how any other theater operates!

Not for the sake of it.  You seem to believe that because you can't imagine how such films would be paid for, that they couldn't exist.  We have repeatedly pointed out your errors of both logic and fact.  The cognative dissonance must be excrutiating.

Not if the movie theater can show it for free.

There is a way for them to get a return.

Are you saying you want others to pay for you to be able to see a good movie, even if they don't like the movie, instead you yourself paying more for it?

So you are saying that people want big budget movies, that there is a demand for them?

Now you are going over old ground for the sake of it.  People won't invest millions in a movie if there is no way to get a return.  And its not your place to decide what moview people want.  If you personally like low budget flicks, feel free to indulge.  Don't presume to take the choice of high budget films away from everyone else though.

Lookie here!

http://dvice.com/archives/2011/10/anti-piracy-com.php


This census of actual pirates says 24% of them have already pre ordered the game, 25% will buy it later, and almost 50% said they just wanted to try it out. Seems the company who made the game would still make money.

This actually also brings up a major problem with IP laws: If I buy an electronic gadget, and it sucks or I don't like it, I can return it. Better still, I can try the gadget before buying it to see if I'll like it. With IP content like games or movies, I have to pay ahead of time, and if I hate it, I can neither return it nor get my money back. IP laws essentially enable fraud, where I can be lied to about a movie being great, have my money be taken from me, and when I realize I was lied to, have no recourse for compensation.

Just did. No copies of movies in Digical Cinema Package or Digital Cinema Distribution Master format anywhere, and apparently the size of such a download would be about 300Gigs. That's actually 50Gigs more than my ISP's monthly cap. So unless you can point me to a DCP or a DCDM file download, I call bullshit. I won't even mind if it is encrypted, like they all apparently are.