Topic: [IOTA] IOTA Speculation - page 102. (Read 171575 times)

Why you have changed your opinion?

It's a business between him and the police.

There seems to be a popular mythos among certain people on BTT that I am somehow the 'bad cop' and rude to people for no reason. Let's debunk this once and for all: I am only what you call 'rude' to those who deserve it, such as Child_Harold. Go back in the IOTA history and you will see me being 'rude' to CH, and I think we can all agree that history showed me right. Why would I be rude to people just for fun? If you actually think about it and check history you will see that everytime I have been 'rude' I have also been right, so me being a 'good samaritan' should not be some shocker.

No I mean, Cfb has recieved the seed of the account of CH at some point, this way he knows 100% it is CH's account.

CH could have sold this account already (and my guess is he did).

The new owner of this account would have his account frozen.

How would he proove he is not CH?

ROFLMAO

We can't freeze accounts after launch at all.

Not realy, it would be the new owners problem, who's account would be frozen by Iota devs.

I have decided that we will freeze CH's account for a month, if he comes back in the meantime and clears everything up and makes good on his promises that's fine, if not we will complete the trades on his behalf.

Whether his abscence is because he's a scammer or something occured in his life is quite irrelevant, what we do know is that he took the effort to delete all his accounts, meaning he did not just fall into a coma or was forcibly admitted to a mental asylum, it was a deliberative and conscious decision on his part, while he was 100% aware of the fact that he had a lot of pending trades. CH was always a troll and instigator of drama, I am whole-heartedly convinced that he does not care at all about IOTA, he cares soley about his own potential for profit and executed what seems to be a scam on the naive and inexperienced in order to achieve the biggest amount of profit he could get, then he decided to vanish.

This decision is made due to the fact that we want as many good active people in IOTA as possible, and it seems he got a long list of victims. I expect these people to be active contributors to the IOTA ecosystem.

As for those worried about legal issues, CH is welcome to try to take legal action on a refunded software sale here in Norway if he feels he has a case ( he does not ).

And those who bring up the tired argument of decentralization vs centralization: IOTA hasn't been released yet, thus it's not decentralized yet, it's a moot point. After IOTA is live it will permanently be impossible for us to alter anything, this is 'written in code'.

Finally to those talking about the PRINCIPLE, I will repeat once more; IOTA is a distributed ledger project focused on achieving a tech standard in Internet-of-Things and other areas that require a scalable, flexible ledger with no fees, it's decentralized as a necessity of this economy being trustless, but it's not some anarcho-capitalist movement about principles, if you want that I suggest Bitcoin.

They can, but they don't have to, and should not do it.

If people like to give their money to a complete stranger that is an alcoholic and an asshole online... It's their problem. If they are scam by this guy, it's their fault. The dev should not intervene.

People have to be smarter when they make deal online, if they can't, it's their problem.

That would be Child Harold's headache, not ours.

The victims will fill police reports, the police will contact us to seize those iotas. The rest is out of our control.
What about this plan?

EDIT: I think this plan will work. Now we need to know cryptoknightt's account. Just in case. I suggest the buyers to contact him and urge him to send me his seed. 2 days left.

You can't be 100% sure it is his account.

If he sold this account, the new owner would have to prove he is not CH?
How would this work? This has (legal) problems written all over it.

Funny one. How many zeros do you want to write after the point.

I suspect it's possible to freeze it and wait for him asking for refund of the original bitcoins.

You gave your bitcoin to an absolute stranger, it's the same thing as giving money to a complete stranger on the street.
Take responsibilty for your mistake, learn from it.

Again to freeze an account, you need to be 100% procent sure it is CH's, which is impossibe. The only one who knows for sure it's his account is the owner, no third party can absolutely be sure.

Imo Devs can't fix this, I am not even sure if freezing could have legal consequences, jeopardising the whole project.

And the most active buyers happen to be fake or (sorry for being rude) idiots.

Even after we suspected CH to be a scammer people in here bought without escrow from CK. Just lol. /s

So the two most active sellers both happens to be scammers 

I don't know what the best solution is either, freezing the account may not be the answer. I hope CH logs in and say 'whats up man,I was just on holiday here are your IOTA' and proves us wrong otherwise there is someone out there that thinks it's acceptable to take peoples bitcoins and we are allowing them to get away with it..
I find this hard to accept because it would mean there are at least 12 other people at a loss before the launch. Im not demanding answers from @Iotatoken I just think there has been a lot of speculation based around this subject and the devs are the only ones that can fix it.
Regards,
FT

true, even if CH would mention a certain account as his, it could be fake and if you freeze it you hit someone completely innocent.