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legendary
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June 06, 2016, 05:07:49 AM
Gambling requires no foresight or knowledge.  Speculation requires both.

Why do you contradict yourself.

Refer to your use the term 'gambling' as your excuse for being unwilling to back up your foresight on Iota's success within the next 2 months.

Yes please refer to the definition of 'idiot'.

Feel free to deflect your embarrassment with something about posting photos of testicles or any other of your other hypocrite moralizing bullshit.
PMed you...
legendary
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White Male Libertarian Bro
June 06, 2016, 05:03:24 AM
Gambling requires no foresight or knowledge.  Speculation requires both.

Why do you contradict yourself.

Refer to your use the term 'gambling' as your excuse for being unwilling to back up your foresight on Iota's success within the next 2 months.

Yes please refer to the definition of 'idiot'.

Normally, I'm morally opposed to "gambling", but I'm having a personal crisis right now determining if this would really be considered "gambling".

such a bet, if fairly and subjectively judged, would be a guaranteed win for me.

Feel free to deflect your embarrassment with something about posting photos of testicles or any other of your other hypocrite moralizing bullshit.

I knew it was you.  Since you've been absent from the forum for a few days, I was hoping that Darwinism had finally taken its course and ensured that you could no longer spread your apologetic, immoral ways.  How'd you come up with such a creative username by the way?
full member
Activity: 131
Merit: 100
June 06, 2016, 03:46:04 AM
I'll give you a very open and libertarian bet: If IOTA hasn't achieved 'success' by within the next 2 months I am willing to pay you 100 BTC, if you're willing to pay me 100 BTC if indeed IOTA is a success by then. It's a very simple issue, if you honestly don't trust my vision and skills. Your move.

I haven't trusted your business skills for a lot longer than two months... this bet can't be retroactive can it?

Take the bet, lower the amount if you like, but for a guy who talks a lot, you need to back it up with some conviction for once. If you don't like gambling agree with iotatoken to donate the 'prize' to a charity of your choice

Honestly, I don't think David has 100 BTC of his personal money to "gamble" like this.  Investor money maybe, but not his own.  Normally, I'm morally opposed to "gambling", but I'm having a personal crisis right now determining if this would really be considered "gambling".

Here you've already kind of lost the bet if you had been a man to take it because I got so much to 'gamble' on a safe bet of my personal money Smiley So I guess this proves that my business skills is better than you thought and so you failed, *nobody is surprised*.

I don't believe that you have 100 BTC of your own money to gamble, and I believe you would dip into IOTA funds to pay out, since such a bet, if fairly and subjectively judged, would be a guaranteed win for me.  I'm not going to be an accomplice to malfeasance which is what this amounts to.  Good job making my point that you have no business running anything let alone a company.  Get help for your gambling problem.

haha..I used to come up with weak excuses like this one when I was a 1st grader. Come on, man up.
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 265
June 06, 2016, 03:40:38 AM
Gambling requires no foresight or knowledge.  Speculation requires both.

Why do you contradict yourself.

Refer to your use the term 'gambling' as your excuse for being unwilling to back up your foresight on Iota's success within the next 2 months.

Yes please refer to the definition of 'idiot'.

Feel free to deflect your embarrassment with something about posting photos of testicles or any other of your other hypocrite moralizing bullshit.
legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1042
White Male Libertarian Bro
June 06, 2016, 03:10:51 AM
Normally, I'm morally opposed to "gambling"

Please enlighten us how your speculation on vaporware Synereo and its future success is not gambling.

Please refer to the definition of 'hypocrite'.

Gambling requires no foresight or knowledge.  Speculation requires both.

Please refer to the definition of 'idiot'.
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 265
June 06, 2016, 03:01:35 AM
Normally, I'm morally opposed to "gambling"

Please enlighten us how your speculation on vaporware Synereo and its future success is not gambling.

Please refer to the definition of 'hypocrite'.
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 500
June 06, 2016, 02:51:17 AM
Hahah weakest cop out in histrolly
legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1042
White Male Libertarian Bro
June 06, 2016, 02:19:58 AM
I'll give you a very open and libertarian bet: If IOTA hasn't achieved 'success' by within the next 2 months I am willing to pay you 100 BTC, if you're willing to pay me 100 BTC if indeed IOTA is a success by then. It's a very simple issue, if you honestly don't trust my vision and skills. Your move.

I haven't trusted your business skills for a lot longer than two months... this bet can't be retroactive can it?

Take the bet, lower the amount if you like, but for a guy who talks a lot, you need to back it up with some conviction for once. If you don't like gambling agree with iotatoken to donate the 'prize' to a charity of your choice

Honestly, I don't think David has 100 BTC of his personal money to "gamble" like this.  Investor money maybe, but not his own.  Normally, I'm morally opposed to "gambling", but I'm having a personal crisis right now determining if this would really be considered "gambling".

Here you've already kind of lost the bet if you had been a man to take it because I got so much to 'gamble' on a safe bet of my personal money Smiley So I guess this proves that my business skills is better than you thought and so you failed, *nobody is surprised*.

I don't believe that you have 100 BTC of your own money to gamble, and I believe you would dip into IOTA funds to pay out, since such a bet, if fairly and subjectively judged, would be a guaranteed win for me.  I'm not going to be an accomplice to malfeasance which is what this amounts to.  Good job making my point that you have no business running anything let alone a company.  Get help for your gambling problem.
hero member
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Merit: 500
June 05, 2016, 10:45:53 AM
I'll give you a very open and libertarian bet: If IOTA hasn't achieved 'success' by within the next 2 months I am willing to pay you 100 BTC, if you're willing to pay me 100 BTC if indeed IOTA is a success by then. It's a very simple issue, if you honestly don't trust my vision and skills. Your move.

I haven't trusted your business skills for a lot longer than two months... this bet can't be retroactive can it?

Take the bet, lower the amount if you like, but for a guy who talks a lot, you need to back it up with some conviction for once. If you don't like gambling agree with iotatoken to donate the 'prize' to a charity of your choice

Honestly, I don't think David has 100 BTC of his personal money to "gamble" like this.  Investor money maybe, but not his own.  Normally, I'm morally opposed to "gambling", but I'm having a personal crisis right now determining if this would really be considered "gambling".

Here you've already kind of lost the bet if you had been a man to take it because I got so much to 'gamble' on a safe bet of my personal money Smiley So I guess this proves that my business skills is better than you thought and so you failed, *nobody is surprised*.
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 500
June 05, 2016, 10:45:23 AM
iota what it is, can you explain to me?

First distributed ledger without any fees, specifically made for Internet-of-Things. It's a Ledger of Things in the Economy of Things:)
legendary
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MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
June 05, 2016, 06:28:10 AM
iota what it is, can you explain to me?

a scam
legendary
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White Male Libertarian Bro
June 05, 2016, 05:20:23 AM
I'll give you a very open and libertarian bet: If IOTA hasn't achieved 'success' by within the next 2 months I am willing to pay you 100 BTC, if you're willing to pay me 100 BTC if indeed IOTA is a success by then. It's a very simple issue, if you honestly don't trust my vision and skills. Your move.

I haven't trusted your business skills for a lot longer than two months... this bet can't be retroactive can it?

Take the bet, lower the amount if you like, but for a guy who talks a lot, you need to back it up with some conviction for once. If you don't like gambling agree with iotatoken to donate the 'prize' to a charity of your choice

Honestly, I don't think David has 100 BTC of his personal money to "gamble" like this.  Investor money maybe, but not his own.  Normally, I'm morally opposed to "gambling", but I'm having a personal crisis right now determining if this would really be considered "gambling".
sr. member
Activity: 939
Merit: 256
June 05, 2016, 03:46:55 AM
I'll give you a very open and libertarian bet: If IOTA hasn't achieved 'success' by within the next 2 months I am willing to pay you 100 BTC, if you're willing to pay me 100 BTC if indeed IOTA is a success by then. It's a very simple issue, if you honestly don't trust my vision and skills. Your move.

I haven't trusted your business skills for a lot longer than two months... this bet can't be retroactive can it?

Take the bet, lower the amount if you like, but for a guy who talks a lot, you need to back it up with some conviction for once. If you don't like gambling agree with iotatoken to donate the 'prize' to a charity of your choice
legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1042
White Male Libertarian Bro
June 04, 2016, 11:46:18 PM
I'll give you a very open and libertarian bet: If IOTA hasn't achieved 'success' by within the next 2 months I am willing to pay you 100 BTC, if you're willing to pay me 100 BTC if indeed IOTA is a success by then. It's a very simple issue, if you honestly don't trust my vision and skills. Your move.

I haven't trusted your business skills for a lot longer than two months... this bet can't be retroactive can it?
sr. member
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Merit: 256
June 04, 2016, 09:38:00 PM
I'll give you a very open and libertarian bet: If IOTA hasn't achieved 'success' by within the next 2 months I am willing to pay you 100 BTC, if you're willing to pay me 100 BTC if indeed IOTA is a success by then. It's a very simple issue, if you honestly don't trust my vision and skills. Your move.

What metric would you use to measure 'success' ... marketcap, nodes, transactions, big deal $$, foundation $$ etc
legendary
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June 04, 2016, 08:49:33 PM
iota what it is, can you explain to me?
hero member
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June 04, 2016, 07:16:07 PM

You know David, you ought to be thanking RTRT for trying to help you.  He's giving you some good advice, and you'd be smart to take it.  While I don't agree with you on a lot of things, I think it would be unfortunate for you to drive this business, even though I don't think it has a high probability of success, and everyones' investment into the ground.  I don't know how one minute you can claim you are successful, because you've returned XX% ROI, and the next minute lambaste people for being speculators.  It seems you honestly believe that your investors are your enemy and that businesses don't need investors.  That conviction means that IOTA is already dead regardless of anything else.  You'd do yourself a world of good by not being so antagonistic to everyone, mainly your investors, and try to act like a real businessman who is looking out for everyone's best interests.

I won't go into my private dialogue with rtrtcrypto beyond simply saying that you're dead wrong, as usual.

*However* unlike the trolls like altcoinUK and CIYAM who are both just bitter about being in their 60s and not having achieved *ANYTHING* in their life, you are slightly more entertaining on a slightly deeper level.

We both disagree as vehemently as possible when it comes to virtually everything from politics to morals & ethics, but let's discuss business.
You didn't buy any iotas, either because you're too ignorant to see the potential in the world's first blockless, fee-less, distributed ledger for IoT, *or* because you let your emotions control your decisions (aka: illogical and irrational).

Re: why on one hand I feel comfortable with pointing out that I am making people rich, while also reiterating that I never *promised* anyone to make them rich. It's really simple: I know exactly what I am doing and why I am doing it. You honestly think that a forum as infested with trolls as BTT is somehow indicative of how well a project is doing? I'll give you a very open and libertarian bet: If IOTA hasn't achieved 'success' by within the next 2 months I am willing to pay you 100 BTC, if you're willing to pay me 100 BTC if indeed IOTA is a success by then. It's a very simple issue, if you honestly don't trust my vision and skills. Your move.
legendary
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White Male Libertarian Bro
June 04, 2016, 07:02:02 PM
Shame on you, CIYAM!!!   How dare you not do something you had ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKIN' CONTROL over?!?!?   Roll Eyes

Exactly - he should be speaking to Jean-Luc about why AT was never added to Nxt (as it could easily have been).

My guess is that he is a NXT bag-holder (so in fact his real issues should be with CfB and the like but I am guessing he is now an IOTA bag-holder as well so he doesn't dare have a go at them).

Wrong.  Like RTRT pointed out, I've been highly critical of David and didn't invest a cent into IOTA, because I think it is a poor business premise and that David doesn't have the business skills to pull it off.  I'm also upset with Jean-Luc, the NXT devs, the NXT Foundation, committees, and marketing team.

This idiot makes a donation and then claims there are all these conditions about his donation being returned - but where are those conditions in writing?
(and also the idiot can't even show any evidence that he even made such a donation - just claims that I should remember whilst at the same time he appears to back statements by others that I am so intoxicated every day that it wouldn't even be possible for me to remember any such thing)

@DecentralizedEconomics - grow up child - if you "donate" then you don't ask for a refund (am guessing you are the kind of person that asks a charity for a refund if you're not happy with what happens 2 years later also).

Also - if we "failed to deliver" then how on earth does Burst and Qora have AT?
(as I have repeatedly pointed out Nxt could simply have used the code that was used in Burst)

Perhaps you are simply too young to understand what is and what isn't a scam (maybe someone else can educate you because I know that I can't be bothered with you any more).

What type of unscrupulous individual collects money (donations or not) under one pretense, fails to deliver upon that pretense, and keeps the money.  Your right, if I gave money to charity under the assumption that it would be used for a certain project and they took the money and spent it on something else, I'd sue them.  It's too bad that you have to fall back on "show me the signed contract" and people can't take you for your word.  Again, I don't care about implementation on Burst or Qora.  Both of those are failed projects and PoC is a joke.  I honestly didn't expect for you to refund my money, because I've heard from numerous people what type of a person you are and you just proved their point.

RTRTCRYPTO:

I have offered you a refund here in public and also in PM. If you honestly think IOTA is a failed project (like you just proclaimed) you will accept the refund, you will get back your tokens and the IOTA goes to someone that actually has a use for it, not a speculator.

If you just want to continue whining about something you have no idea of, go ahead, I will not pay attention.

You know David, you ought to be thanking RTRT for trying to help you.  He's giving you some good advice, and you'd be smart to take it.  While I don't agree with you on a lot of things, I think it would be unfortunate for you to drive this business, even though I don't think it has a high probability of success, and everyones' investment into the ground.  I don't know how one minute you can claim you are successful, because you've returned XX% ROI, and the next minute lambaste people for being speculators.  It seems you honestly believe that your investors are your enemy and that businesses don't need investors.  That conviction means that IOTA is already dead regardless of anything else.  You'd do yourself a world of good by not being so antagonistic to everyone, mainly your investors, and try to act like a real businessman who is looking out for everyone's best interests.
sr. member
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June 04, 2016, 03:46:26 PM

... AT is running on two blockchains (Qora and Burst) ....


@CIYAM, are you still working on Qora?
hero member
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June 04, 2016, 09:04:26 AM
My intention was never to be "slanderous".
Anyway, I realize I don't help at all. I will just stand down/aside.
rtrt

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